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No. 5390
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>>5389this reminds me of one of the worst upcoming trends I've noticed recently is all the edgy imageboard pickmes picking up "radfem" as a term just to piss off the wokies and troons. when obviously they don't even give a shit about even basic feminism but weirdly think it's some edgy queen shit label they can hang up on the mantle to epic troll everyone. Like picrel who spends her days posting conservatoid discourse, she's also anti abortion, anti feminism, extremely right wing, and just overall contrarian
No. 5959
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One thing radfems could work on is their memes. The anti-troon memes are pretty good but memes about other stuff are like pic related.
No. 6908
>>5959No…
all radfem memes are that. Literal paragraphs instead of the quick and easy meme format of "haha funny words" because they want to use memes as infographs instead of having memes be the gateway to bite sized info graphs and links to actual material. Radfems just have no idea how tf to market themselves to the mainstream without infodumping on normies and coming off as schizo speds.
No. 7098
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i agree with op and i've thought about this a lot myself. radical feminism has an image problem. it sucks but in order to attract people to any kind of movement there has to be surface level appeal. even conservatives can be cool to some people because they're seen as being more logical and rational than liberals, and many people are attracted to contrariness in itself. libfems are perceived as fun and sexy, queerios are seen as both empathetic victims and inspiring rebels. what are radfems perceived as? the left sees radical feminists as evil bigots literally promoting genocide, the right sees radfems as child murdering perverts or, at best, as token women useful occasionally as props.
the problem lies in the fact that radical feminism is against many things that would give it widespread appeal. you cant try to make radical feminism seem sexy because radical feminists are critical of mainstream sexuality, you cant try to make radfems seem young and hip because radical feminism values womens wisdom as they age instead of prizing youthful beauty, you cant make radical feminism fun because it draws attention to all the ways in which the world is evil. even the red scare thing you suggested doesn't really work because radical feminism is still against gender roles for men. it's funny, but it's funny in a distinctly non radical feminist way. (cont)
No. 7099
>>7098imho, radfems trying to lessen the cringe factor should focus on just being normal. that means talking about other things alongside radical feminism. one thing that made me peak was seeing radfems talk about radical feminism and also seeing them be normal, funny people who i felt like i could be friends with. i've had more than one person tell me that i made them peak for similar reasons. anyone who is too single minded about a topic is acting autistically, i.e., cringey. so don't be single minded about radical feminism and involve yourself in other communities too.
another way is to be funny. this is harder to suggest for everyone because some people just are not funny. but if you are funny, try to make jokes and memes about more than just trans stuff (which is the most cringey to normies). make jokes that arent mean or cruel and especially avoid edginess for the sake of edginess, like jokes about killing male toddlers or whatever. memes with creative formats are funnier and more likely to get engagement vs text-heavy memes on simple formats (like the stupid drake meme). post all the memes you make, you never know which ones will take off.(cont)
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>>7098>>7099>>7100 finally, i think radfems should lean into contrariness. never underestimate how much people want to be perceived as unique and how smart it makes people feel when they disagree with the mainstream. we live in a world where pornography, extreme beauty standards, and bio essentialism are the mainstream. lots of young women realize this. it is honestly at the point where extreme kink is more common than normal sex. so radical feminism can gain appeal by presenting itself as an alternative to the average normie lifestyle. women arent stupid, they know that the world they live in is misogynistic, and if u present a framework they can use to understand that they will jump on it. maybe a good first step would be to create content focused on consciousness raising.
i could honestly go on but i think i've sperged enough. tldr; you need a good image to attract people to your movement. radical feminism has an image problem bc it is inherently opposed to mainstream values, meaning what radical feminist support can never be the same as what the mainstream thinks is cool. radfems can improve their image by showing that theyre normal people, by spreading memes that have broader appeal, by being openly leftist, and by embracing being controversial. (end)
sorry for the multiple posts, i see the new word limit is up and running. No. 7109
>>7108In terms of making it
less cringe, I think the problem is a lot of people now think of radfems as white women being precious pearl clutchers (even though it's probably mostly non-white, working class women - globally speaking) because some of the biggest talking points are seen as anti-progressive and are written off as moral panic. And of course white women = Karen, now.
1. So I agree with making the tone less moralistic, like some other nonas have mentioned. And making it more about freedom, lifting oppressive thought patterns/beliefs and offering a new liberating way of being for women. I think many of us would agree that although it's kind of bleak and depressing to learn about a lot of feminist theory, it also feels really good and freeing to apply it to your own life.
2. There is nothing more cringe than being out of touch [with reality] so driving the situation home with facts and data is important. As well as connecting us closer to women around the world and taking their problems more personally. We're all women, their problems affect us as a whole.
3. Memes. I was thinking about this and realised that all the radfem and TERFy memes I love the most are the kind that would get immediately reported and banned on Twitter (well, maybe not anymore, I dunno) and the ones I currently see on mainstream socials are clearly designed for and by boomer women. So maybe something in between is needed.
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>>7109The most important thing though is female solidarity and community. Women used to congregate alone together most of the time and it’s only in recent years that we’ve all become so disconnected. People in general but particularly women who always worked and socialised together.
Now we’re not only disconnected from each other but we’re disconnected from our own material reality. When you live life online, you’re not really faced with female and male differences as much. When women congregated more we used to swap stories and vent about how cringe men are and console + support each other. But now we’re more vulnerable to male manipulation due to being isolated and stuck in certain echo chambers.
Not really sure how to overcome this bit but it’s really important. Part of what I love about LC is about is how strict we are about keeping scrotes out. Even if it does result in retarded false accusations and infighting, it’s better than the alternative. So I would love to see more places do the same, IRL groups and underground communities.
No. 7111
>>7110I agree with you and I think the big hurdle to job through is dealing with envy women trying to complicate what makes us oppressed when doing this irl.
>>7109I disagree with the regardless of our other politics and identities. The reason why a lot of western women who aren’t white don’t mess with radfem is because the version that doesn’t discuss racism/ethnicity is always highlighted here. No one wants to join a movement where they feel ignored. We need to talk about issues women face all over the world. It’s impossible to think radfem isn’t able to be intersectional when you’re enter with that.
No. 7114
>>7113ayrt, no i completely agree with you. I just mean that we need more women to wake up to how
all women - regardless of what they might believe - have biological differences to men and our needs and goals need to reflect that.
So whether some women might be more conservative and others more left wing, different races, sexualities, whether they choose to do sex work, wear make up, conform to stereotypes or not etc. We all have something basic and unchangeable in common that unites us and informs our experiences. They won't all be radfem but radfeminism will include them all regardless because they are women (even if they try to identify out of it). And TIMs will never be part of it because they are men, no matter how "nice" they seem to some people, they are coming from a completely different place. It's more of a starting point.
>no one wants to join a movement where they feel ignored A very very good point and something else that needs to be addressed.
No. 7138
>>7124They can never stop women from dating men and loving men. Yes you can advocate for female separatism, de-centering males in your life and for women to actually have standards with the males that they pick but I get a lot of "secret girls club" energy from a lot of online radfem spaces where if you don't fit the extremely specific demographic then you will openly get bashed for even trying to discuss an alternative approach or solutions.
Radical feminism needs to focus on its goal: do you want the movement to remain at the edge of society, or do you want to actually recruit more women who align with your beliefs? I'll constantly hear "we need more women to peak/become radfem" yet in the same sentence they'll insult women for not adhering to every single principle. It's really inconsistent in a lot of these spaces, and it just reeks of elitist fart-sniffing where you won't even accept the reality that if you want everyday "normie" women to peak you're going to have to accept
some losses now and then - no, that doesn't mean it will end up like liberal feminism, nuance does not mean opening the gates for males.
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i kind of get what op means.
the tranny shit has spread so far so fast because it does have a sense of style. defining womanhood (i focus on "womanhood" because let's be real, ftms are totally irrelevant in the grand scheme of things – nobody is arguing over what a man is) in terms of aesthetics and fantastical things like "spirit" and wrapping it up in a bunch of poetry just…sells, lmao.
painting troons as people trapped in the wrong body & valiantly going against "gender" by transitioning sounds cooler than anything radical feminism has to offer. just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffNwiGVPhFE. i'm a
terf hardcore but even i was kind of moved watching this troon compare his womanhood to the ocean. it sounds pretty.
but radical feminism suffers from being a "bitter, ugly woman" thing. trans crap is like art and religion bundled together.
No. 7159
>>7155also, people generally don't like thinking. trans ideology actually
encourages not thinking, or challenging its tenets. like, we all know how quick their rhetoric falls apart when you just ask them questions like:
>what is gender?>if anyone who says they're a woman is a woman, then why do they (men) transition? how do trans women know what hormones to take if (the female) sex doesn't actually exist?>what did jkr actually say that was transphobic? but to
ask these questions is to out yourself as a "transphobe, and so their minds will lock up hard against them. so it's a whole thing of just blindly going along with vibes. also helps that troonshit is just building up off of stereotypes we've all been drip-fed since birth, e.g. the most basic pink = girl blue = boy shit.
radical feminism isn't like that. you have to sit down and challenge your internal biases to understand it. you have to look behind the curtain. your average person isn't going to do that.
which is fair, because your average person has ten million worries more pressing and immediate than men calling themselves women, or overturning the patriarchy. it's sad but true