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No. 4406
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Learning how much a pick-me Frida Khalo really was disheartening, especially for the literal ogre she married and the fact was the one she who perused him
plus her other behaviors such as appropriating ingenious Mexican culture, despite having mostly German ancestary and making shit up about her life to impress others
No. 4409
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>>4407tbh I can see the appeal, depicting women in their natural state rather then some male filtered gaze was based imo
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pedo advocate
No. 4414
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>>4409>>4406I still feel for her though, she suffered constant physical pain her entire life. One of the bars from her trolley accident went from her left hip to her uterus. she also really wanted children but wasn't able to cause her body was so messed up, in a time where abortion was illegal for most women, she was was forced to get them by the state, due to her pelvis not being where it should be, so her and the baby would have died
I can feel the pain in her art, I have suffered from a miscarriage well and I know what its like to lose a child, especially when you wanted one
No. 4485
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For saying that the celeb women speaking out against Harvey Weinstein were 'career rapees' just because he made them sign NDAs in the past.
No. 4488
>>4486What?! I'm not saying I don't believe you
nonnie but I would like to see where she said this. That is quite outrageous for someone so renowned for her contributions to feminism.
No. 4490
>>4489Bless you
nonnie. Germaine Greer is fucked in the head. She sounds like a typical libfem storming in to silence any criticism of Islam bc 'muh cultural differences'.
No. 4491
>>4489Jesus fucking christ, I thought maybe it would've been about the kind where they just remove the clitoral hood (basically the equivalent of the foreskin) or something idk not that
I really don't get the defense of harming people because "it's their culture"
No. 4579
>>4578women aren't allowed to enter mosques at all, with or without periods, we have to pray at home, Muslim woman's own faith forbids them from being in our house of worship
the argument is that women will distract men from their worship
No. 4588
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Thought alice walker was based, turns out she's a huge anti-semite who believes jews are responsible for majority of the world's problems(including capitalism, racism and treatment of women), also was a horrible mother to her half jewish duaghter and was salty about the fact that her daughter proffered living with her jewish father, step-mother and half siblings, over alice's group of degenerate hippies in san francisco
No. 4619
>>4576How did they know she was menstruating?
I'm orthodox christian and I've heard this shit about not entering the church being a thing here too but idc and it's not like I go to the church oftenly.
No. 4627
>>4619I looked this up and the reasoning in this article really pisses me off:
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/menses.aspx>tl;dr menstruation counts as a 'bodily emission' that makes you unfit to receive the eucharist because it's a reminder of humanity's "fallen state" aka it's all Eve's fault >male author asks "I wonder what woman would actually want to commune on her period?"To stay somewhat on topic, I really used to look up to the hardcore church ladies and female saints as an impressionable kid but now it all leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
No. 4704
>>4692her anti-semitism came afterwards, apparently she was furious that her daughter preferred living with her jewsih father, step-mother and half siblings over the chaotic life in queer san-francisco
>>4698her mother was a mestizo, but was entirely of european ancestry and her only indigenous-descended relative was her maternal grandfather and she changed what tribe she belonged to numerous times, pretending to be either Zapotec or Oaxacan
her other lies include, ling about her date of birth to the exact date as Mexican Revolution
used to tell people her father was Jewish and a communist as well
No. 4770
Maybe this isn't the right thread because she isn't a famous figure, but she was a woman in an authority position I should've been able to trust. On the tail end of my abusive relationship I worked with a female therapist. I knew my ex's behavior was wrong, I knew I needed to leave, but I was struggling with basically my entire life's worth of conditioning and trying not to feel worthless or defective for leaving. I remember describing all the terrible shit my ex did and repeatedly asking my therapist, "But this was abusive of him right? He is a cruel person right? I'm not crazy, right?" Because I was being gaslit left and right by him. And this woman would just defer and feed me lines like, "It's good to acknowledge he hurt you, but what's most important is to determine what you think about these things and how you want to proceed…" Yes well, I'm trying to do that with the help of your third party, objective advice, but you're giving me nothing lady. I literally just wanted to hear, "Yes, he is an abusive piece of shit and you are totally in the right to leave. You should've done so years ago, but good on you for developing some self worth. Now dump the asshole." I know therapists are urged not to inject their own opinions into therapy but holy fuck, counseling has become a meme at this point where you can't even call a spade a spade. I'm sure she could've communicated the same thing in more therapist-approved language, but she refused to acknowledge the type of person he was at all. I was literally looking for anyone to validate me because I was too embarassed to talk about it with friends and family. It was textbook isolation and I felt just as confused and alone after wasting my money on her. I know some therapists out there are better but it really goes to show not all of them are going to do much of anything for you. I'm glad I managed to figure things out for myself before it was too late, because the situation ended up escalating and I could've avoided the whole thing had I gotten real support beforehand. It felt akin to repeatedly telling someone to throw you a rope in a whirlpool and they keep asking you, "Ah so you say you need a rope? But why do you think you feel that way?" Maybe help save my fucking life first then we can talk about reasons all you want.
No. 4772
>>4770I’m not trying to invalidate you, but therapists really aren’t supposed to do that and validate you. A lot of people in therapy are unreliable narrators they only tell partial stories. It’s sucks but what she was doing was having you by pass him and focus on you. Which is important but sounds like her word choice doesn’t mesh with you. Therapy isn’t about telling you a specific diagnosis or labeling things as
abusive. It’s learning to cope with your emotions and thoughts in a healthy way to handle the bad and have good boundaries. That happens by focusing on you not him, and legally she can’t diagnosis him. He’s not the patient. Doing that can lose her license.
No. 4806
>>4777I agree. I don’t think therapy is set up well to help women in situations like yours or mine from the past.
On a side note have you read the book by Nicky Marone? It’s another one I like since I recognize all the other titles you posted.
No. 4807
>>4772Outside of legal consideration about the therapist license, I think there is also the issue that many women refuse to acknowledge or even entertain the idea that their relationship is
abusive because they have been manipulated by the men and immediately cut out of their life anyone who try to label it as such because they see it as an attack on someone she loves or on her own discernment. When my best friend got into an emotionally
abusive relationship, I had to do lot of "He did what? Hmmm, that's not very nice. How did that made you feel (about being in that relationship)?" and not straightforwardly say that she should drop that piece of shit like yesterday, because she would have just stopped talking to me about it and cut another person out of her life.
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>>4405>>4406>Kahlo describing Rivera:
>His wide, dark, and intelligent bulging eyes appear to be barely held in place by his swollen eyelids. They protrude like the eyes of a frog, each separated from the other in a most extraordinary way. They thus seem to enlarge his field of vision beyond that of most persons. It is almost as if they were constructed exclusively for a painter of vast spaces and multitudes. The effect produced by these unusual eyes, situated so far away from each other, encourages one to speculate on the ages-old oriental knowledge contained behind them.>On rare occasions, an ironic yet tender smile appears on his Buddha-like lips. Seeing him in the nude, one is immediately reminded of a young boy-frog standing on his hind legs. His skin is greenish-white, very like that of an aquatic animal. The only dark parts of his whole body are his hands and face, and that is because they are sunburned. His shoulders are like a child’s, narrow and round. They progress without any visible hint of angles, their tapering rotundity making them seem almost feminine. The arms diminish regularly into small, sensitive hands… It is incredible to think that these hands have been capable of achieving such a prodigious number of paintings. Another wonder is that they can still work as indefatigably as they do.now the worst part
>Diego’s chest — of it we have to say, that had he landed on an island governed by Sappho, where male invaders were apt to be executed, Diego would never have been in danger. The sensitivity of his marvelous breasts would have insured his welcome, although his masculine virility, specific and strange, would have made him equally desired in the lands of these queens avidly hungering for masculine love.>His enormous belly, smooth, tightly drawn, and sphere-shaped, is supported by two strong legs which are as beautifully solid as classical columns. They end in feet which point outward at an obtuse angle, as if moulded for a stance wide enough to cover the entire earth.the amount of cope to justify sleeping with that fat bastard, also look how she depicts herself in her paintings next to him, so small and uwu
No. 4821
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>>4820she might have painted a version of her potential daughter(though this is a speculation) and she drew her mother once(only in relation to herself) and that's about it
No. 4824
>>4777I had a similar experience and can't help but look back on my time in therapy, whilst I was in a painfully
abusive relationship and feel pretty let down. I ended up leaving that therapist after I finally got the courage to end my relationship (after it became violent), because I didn't feel I could count on her anymore.
I know it's not their place to tell people how to feel or how to act but some objective input or suggestions on boundaries of what should be acceptable would have really helped me. If anything, I felt like therapy was bending my boundaries of what is normal relationship stuff even further than they should have been, because you can almost justify any behaviour through analysing it enough. And I also hate how
abusive relationships are often framed as "making you stronger" or something to learn from. Sometimes you've just got to say "no. fuck this. it's not right and it's not safe"
No. 4837
>>4806>have you read the book by Nicky MaroneI have not, but always looking to expand my knowledge. Which title do you recommend, I see a few from her and not sure which one is most related?
>>4807>many women refuse to acknowledge or even entertain the idea that their relationship is abusiveThat's true, I remember going through that period myself and have since seen several friends and acquaintances experience it. It's hard to break the cultural conditioning that teaches us it's normal to put up with hell for a man and that it's just the supposed nature of a relationship. That being said, by the time I got into therapy I was clearly past that point and identifying abuse on my own. It was still a new and kind of terrifying thing to acknowledge though, and when I got zero affirmation in regards to making those strides, it actually made me doubt myself and set me back when I could've left sooner.
>>4824Very sorry to hear you went through something similar. I agree, it's like there's no objectivity in analyzing situations at all.
>you can almost justify any behaviour through analysing it enoughExactly! I was finally feeling somewhat confident when I got into therapy, thinking I was ready to leave and just needed that last push. Instead of confirmation, therapy made it all the more easy to second guess myself and come up with reasons to justify my ex's behavior rather than listening to the small voice within myself that was fed up.
>abusive relationships are often framed as "making you stronger" Sometimes they can force you to grow, but the healing happens after you've removed yourself from the situation. It's like people telling someone a broken bone heals stronger than it was before yet your bone is being broken every day with no time to recover.
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No. 7091
>>4837What’s stopping you?
Is the title. It’s written for overcoming indoctrinated female helpliness that society pushes.
No. 7182
>>4406>appropriating ingenious Mexican culture, despite having mostly German ancestry I was surprised to learn how un-Mexican Frieda was considering how she’s basically a goddess to every hipster libfem Burger Latina. Then again I guess that demographic would relate to her
more because of it.
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Obligatory Emma Watson
No. 9305
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Lindsay Ellis. Maybe it's because I wasn't as fluent in English back when I first discovered her and I wasn't used to youtubers speaking in anything above Kardashian-tier vocabulary, but I thought she was so well spoken and smart and had really interesting videos about film and feminism. It's not like I expected her to be a terf, I knew she was friends with that fag contrapoints so I was already disappointed but her anti-JKR video was too much. I don't remember if it was that one or a different video but I remember her giving a specific "fuck you" or something to the women who had apparently dmed her being kinda shocked that she wasn't a radfem because she was so smart. Like, yes, you dumbass. If you make insightful feminist content, smart feminists might get tricked into thinking you're smart and have common sense as well. But again, it wasn't that surprising, she seems like the typical nerdy woman who's only a feminist in theory but bends over backwards irl to please men because her geeky autistic special interests are mostly male-dominated and sometimes you have to choose between your rights and dignity as a woman and sperging about transformers in fandom discord servers full of incels on estrogen, I guess. Also, I'm pretty sure gendies ended up canceling her for some dumb shit like disliking a Disney movie kek. All that bootlicking and handmaidening for nothing.
No. 9309
>>9305What I hate most about Lindsay Ellis’ weird JKR sperging is that she’s such a hypocrite about it.
In 2013 she made a video justifying why she wouldn’t join in boycotting the Ender’s Game movie, even though Orson Scott Card had been spewing some pretty viciously homophobic and racist comments at the time. She didn’t suggest he should be erased from cultural memory or that his work was forever tainted by his genuinely fucked up political views. But if you dare spend a penny on any part of the Harry Potter franchise ever again you’re complicit in tranny genocide, and one of the most successful female authors in history should have her legacy utterly obliterated because she has literally one sensible opinion that’s factually correct but currently unpopular.
Making excuses for a terrible moid while psychotically raging against women who speak the truth is peak liberal feminism, isn’t it? The irony here is that OSC, being super religious and far right, definitely holds way more hateful sentiments about troons than you could accuse JKR of, kek.
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>>9470kinda sorta, after the the failure of her book series and cancellation I think she's content with just a SAHM, while her engineer husband provides her NEET bucks
No. 9494
>>9305I have a complicated relationship with her content and I have a hard time deciding if she's for real or if someone is just ghost writing all her best content. She's had great, eye-opening video essays about feminism in film making, but suddenly spits out garbage takes that are practically elongated Twitter threads. I remember how she went apeshit over some woman disliking Frozen being celebrated as a cornerstone feminist Disney movie and reading her brain damaged response was cringe-inducing, and that was the time I really started wondering about how the fuck her quality can fluctuate so much.
Also, I had no idea she had been cancelled so I had to look it up. Unreal. Imagine being such a diligent handmaiden and sucking up to Hontra and self-flagellating about muh wuhite people to the point of performative pandering, then getting cancelled over something so trivial and having everything just fall apart. I feel bad for her, but can't help but feel a bit of schadenfreude because she supported this kind of a militant one-strike cancel culture herself.
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>>9625she first met him when he was commissioned to paint a mural for her private school, she was 14 and he was already 35 and had 3 children, she fell in love with him for his artistic ability and his "genius", she later became his student, then secret lover and then eventaully they married, He was 42 and she was 22
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Sameera Khan, She's a whole weirdo ass pick me ass bitch, At first her Politics were based AF, Then she started loving war criminals, Supporting Andrew Tate, And, Bashing women any chance she gets on Twitter
No. 11032
>>9475I don't half blame women who fall into this after the frustration of trying to make something of themselves just to get canceled for a gobshite reason. Or be underpaid and overworked.
In a society that literally paves the pathway for men to outearn us just because they have dick and balls–I say, let them then.
Just hope she's saving a nest egg from her glory days in case her scrote decides to bail on her down the road, since that seems to be a theme with tech men.
Also, I know it's probably not the case, but that pic gives me hardcore "SAHM allowance" vibes. Many women who are stay at home are often financially abused and their scrotes won't even afford them the ability to buy decent groceries or have nice activities for their kids.
For entertaining scrotes from SpaceX, all I'm saying is that the pic screams
cheap. Where the fuck is the bacon and the cheese if you're gonna stage a pic like this???
No. 12065
>>11868no offense but the United States is the cause of majority of world problems
Iran wouldn't be ruled by the Mullahs and Afghanistan by the Taliban if it weren't the United States
(derailing) No. 12091
>>12084when did I say that, all I said is that America's retarded "global order" is the cause of insurgency and terrorism in this world, regional powers have to exist for a better and safe world
everyone men, women, children both rich and poor would benefit from this
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>>12068>>12084also I am aware the Putin is a dictator, Saddam and Gaddafi were also dictators, they were tyrants and evil men and tens of thousands of people suffered because of them, but even an Idiot could understand the solution wasn't dropping bombs, destroying their state and forcing a liberal democracy and arrogantly believing it would work, Islam might be a Jackal of a faith but America is the one that unleashes it and is surprised when innocents get bitten
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It's funny how some people claim Dworkin wouldn't be on the libfem side today. she would totally dismiss women's claims of not wanting Muslim refuges who think they have the legal right to rape kafir women.
No. 13767
>>13723based dworkin is right once again
>>13765kek
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>>13723for the love of god stop fucking racebaiting nazichan. no one agrees with your retarded takes. I'm not even gonna try and argue with you because you have to be a certain level of willfully ignorant to be as dumb as you.
No. 14073
>>14050>>14072Check her insta
https://www.instagram.com/p/CrQ1TfBvbKZ/Not related but I'm also bummed out Tilda Swinton is antivaxx
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>>14121I walked into that one kek
No. 14125
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>>13767this is dworkin also
No. 14126
>>14125kek she's still half right, especially the last sentence before the cut off. She recognizes the issue is society's strict gender roles, but is for surgical fixes to a problem of current society, which is disagreeable. But ends with saying when society is fixed it won't be an issue, true again.
The reason feminism gets nowhere is women are quick and ruthless in cutting out all feminist thinkers from the past that don't 100% line up with their modern views (so… all of them). Imagine if men did this about their philosophers. It's self-defeating and illogical to wait for the perfect thinker, and to expect that the perfect thinker will be born in an environment that actively buries all previously gained knowledge in the name of purging impurity in ideology.
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She fucked us. If she had just put her damn ego in check and retired when Obama was in office, women wouldn't have lost their right to abortion. That one choice caused more damage to women's rights, enough damage to outweigh the things she accomplished in life. Thanks for nothing.
No. 14169
>>14166No. Roe v. Wade (the case that legalized abortion) was decided two decades before RBG was appointed, and Planned Parenthood v. Casey was also decided before she was on the bench. She ruled in favor of abortion rights in other cases, though, like in Stenberg v. Carhart. She advocated for women's rights, and when asked when there would be enough female justices on the Supreme Court, she famously replied, "when there are nine." (That's all of them.)
She was one of the most liberal justices on the court, and Narrowly survived cancer in 2014, when Obama was in office, and people were calling for her to retire back then so Obama could pick someone similar to succeed her, but she refused. Predictably, the cancer came back around 2019. When she eventually died, Trump and his goons rammed Amy Coney Barrett (an extremely conservative, anti-abortion tradwhore) through the approval process as fast as they could, six weeks before the election. This was four years after Republicans cheated Obama out of a supreme court nomination because the guy he was replacing croaked
three months before an election, fucking hypocrites. Because of Ginsberg's ego and Republican's political games, the worst president in over a century, voted against by the majority of Americans, got to put
three justices on the bench (one of whom is a rapist), who used their new power to overturn Roe v. Wade. Justices serve for life, which is also horseshit, so of course Amy Coney Barrett is one of the youngest justices in history so she can ruin women's rights for as long as possible.
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>>14148>>14163Some of her views were a lot more then just minor bad takes, they were fundamentally at odds with any sort of basis of true feminism.
No. 14485
>>14446The benevolent sexist kid gloves that feminists put on to tackle these types of women is a problem that isn't exclusive to Dworkin and it is definitely frustrating. They do this shit because they waste their time trying to get conservative women or tradthots to "see the light," and if they beat around the bush and try to sell feminism by obscuring the role that patriarchy-princess type women play in upholding the patriarchy and paint them as perma-
victims then these women will wake up and get on board. It almost never works, it is a massive time waste, and it waters down feminist discussions. As retarded as blackpill shit can get, it is why I have to appreciate it since they can get into the thick of things without trying to placate an audience of imaginary women that they have to get onboard, lest they be "put off" by honest feminist or feminist-adjacent discussion.
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Most women in Hollywood and media.
No. 21924
>>21923If the reason you lost respect for celebs is because they have ugly partners and not because they're usually
abusive, pedophilic or supportive of cults, you're retarded. Naomi Campbell is the biggest example of a female celeb that helped pedos gain access to underage women which never gets talked about as much as some average looking female popstar(below average in Arianas case because she's looking off after all the surgery) dating an average looking dude.