/2X/ - (XX)

My workplace and family didn't fall for gender ideology so irl I can be a terf, but every online space I'm in is infested by TRA and troons alike so I'm crypto on all social media.

I will never post or interract with troons on my own and I keep it polite and short to anyone who brings it up. At most I will make statments like "of course I support LGBT issues! I have many gay friends who I love and support" so I can be seen as an ally while still changing the focus away from trans and onto gay people instead. That way if they insist on keeping the conversation up I can largerly ignore any trans opinions and focus on supporting gay people by going "my gay friends say this and that…".

Some example of cryptoterf excuses:

>Why don't you talk about trans issues?
(if you don't do any activism)I don't talk about poiltics on social media because no meaningful political conversation has nor will ever happen on twitter or tiktok. I only talk with the real people around me who matter and who can make actual change.
(if you occasionally do activism for other things)I don't personally know any trans people that well and I only listen to my closest friends when it comes to any kind of "activism", so I would go to my close gay friends to support the exact LGBT activism they say is good and valid. That way I don't accidentally support a bad person or organisation, such as Autism Speaks or Peta which both famously turned out to harm the people and animals they're supposedly helping. It would feel wrong to promote trans things when I have no idea if they're correct or if trans people even agree with them.

>Why don't you have your pronouns in bio?
(if you're ESL) English is not my first language and that isn't a common thing here. My local friends would think I'm a ameriboo and make fun of me if I had foreign pronouns in my bio, it would be like a weeb having japanese they can't even read in their bio just to look cool.
(if you don't have your own face as a pfp) Men in the past have been really intimidating and sexist when they found out I'm female so I'd rather keep myself anonymous at first glance so only my friends or people who stick around know I'm female. I think there is value to letting women and minority groups be anonymous online to prevent discrimination.
(fake woke excuse) I don't really like labels and I'm not sure what gender I am or if I'm like agender or something so I don't feel comfortable putting anything solid down. It's like if I actually write it down it becomes more real so I want to kind of figure myself out first.

>Trans women are women, right?
(lie to get them to drop their guard but don't repeat the phrase) Yeah, of course. Oh speaking of X, here's another thing… (immediatedly change topic)

I feel like azealia banks is a crypto terf, actually no, just full out terf kek and i love her for that. And i believe the conspiracy that azealia is a farmer

>>11645
>(fake woke excuse) I don't really like labels and I'm not sure what gender I am or if I'm like agender or something so I don't feel comfortable putting anything solid down
Another fake-woke argument I've read for not having pronouns in bio is that they're actually problematic, because some people might be closeted or just because someone has a certain identity doesn't mean they inherently use certain pronouns. I kind of like saying that I'm "any pronouns" (except "it" or something made up) while only calling myself a woman, just to kind of show that's meaningless, and I don't care about "misgendering". Why should I care if someone calls me a "he" when I'm clearly a woman and look like one, lmao.

good thread idea anon.

i've been playing ignorant with some people, and just asking basic questions as if i know nothing about the gender debate. which always results in the other person saying something along the lines of "yeah… I know it doesn't really make much sense but… I dunno" or "I know what you mean… but…umm"

you can tell a lot of people just don't want to think about the logic or reality and want to be kind and it's fun to watching them expose how fickle their support actually is, just by asking innocent dumb questions about gender.

in the end they sympathise with my confusion because they know they can't explain it. i don't know if this will make them re-evaluate their stance though, that is yet to be seen.

Yep, I take art commissions and like participating in fandom projects, so I have to be crypto to not be blacklisted everywhere. Has anyone succeeded in finding fandom friends that aren't gender believers as a crypto? Sometimes I'll see people with no pronouns who never touch trans topics and wonder, but I'm not bold enough to risk outing myself by asking them.

>>11749
>just by asking innocent dumb questions about gender
what innocent dumb questions do you ask

>>11749
>i've been playing ignorant with some people, and just asking basic questions as if i know nothing about the gender debate
Seconding this strategy, it works to protect yourself and you can get away with being a tiny bit "terfy and ignorant". I think it works best with 1 or 2 basic questions before you change the topic as if you're not really that interested.

>>11750
What do you need to do to not be blacklisted? I'm fairy certain I'm blacklisted in a few spaces based only on not having pronouns in bio kek these people can't handle anyone having a different opinion than themselves

>>11753
nta but I think saying things that a normie would think but that are now seen as evil and bigoted can work. Like saying "trans people are men/women who feel like they were born in the wrong body and like they should have been born as a man/woman instead right"? "i don't really understand non-binary, how is it trans if you're not transitioning at all", "wait but boys can like pink and barbies too, that doesn't mean it's a sign a boy is trans, right? it's so sexist to say that being a girl means you like pink and barbie". "Only transwomen who had the vagina operation go into female changing rooms right? no real woman even if trans would want to expose little girls changing there to dicks, that would be so creepy and gross"

>>11756
Yeah those are obvious as all fuck. Just don't get into the topic.

>>11764
>those are obvious as all fuck
they're not if they think you're a poor ignorant normie who doesn't know better

If you’re crypto anywhere but at work you need to cut that shit out. I genuinely believe you are all contributing to this madness and for what? To avoid a brief potentially awkward encounter? Nearly every time irl when I say my opinion when trans shit comes up non-gendies agree with me like they were just waiting for someone else to say it out loud to have permission to think. Quit being such a coward, you don’t have to go around making every conversation into how you think all male trannies are pedo just say something honest if the topic is brought up by someone.

I do art and I do commissions, I'm also on twitter.
Everytime I see my husbandos (which are all "golden retriever" men, what a coincidence.) with top surgery scars I puke in my mouth a little but I guess the tifs and tims money that don't know where it ends up to quickly soften the nausea.
I also refuse to put my pronouns, saying that not only it makes me extremely uncomfortable, but I stated before that I want people to look at my art, not me, so whatever they want to call me it's fine, since I don't care at all about misgendering and some guy calling me a dude will not ruin my day. I hate that I have to play the "My gender doesn't matter!!!" card to be left alone but I think that this fad will go away in some years and either I will see people acting like nothing ever happened or disappear completely to avoid shame. I suspect that Marina is a crypto but sadly her fanbase is ex tumblrinas so she has to keep up with this shit, poor woman.

not really a radfem anymore but definitely crypto (as in I believe in reality). Nice thread anon. I want to ask nonnies in here: is it possible to be friends with gendies while being a crypto?

>>11771
I've been honest with real life friends and family members since I know we can disagree on things peacefully, but there's no way fandom people on twitter are going to do anything but call me an evil genocide lover, so why bother arguing with them when I'm trying to have fun watching my silly shows?

>>11771
I've been honest with real life friends and family members since I know we can disagree on things peacefully, but there's no way fandom people on twitter are going to do anything but call me an evil genocide lover, so why bother arguing with them when I'm trying to have fun watching my silly shows?

I'm the collector of TIF friends somehow.

Best friend is a TIF. Not a weird fujo but one of the butch lesbian "trutrans" variety that trooned out because she couldn't handle the expectations from her hyper conservative korean family who wanted her to get married to a nice korean man and have 3 children by age 22. I love her to death but I know the second I bring up GC shit, that's the end of our friendship right there. She already called all the JK Rowling stuff "terf dogwhistling" and I asked her if she read it and she said no, fucking lmao. She was the one who could benefit from reading it the most.

Then one of my writing buddies online also trooned, got top surgery and everything. When I met her she was just a cool lesbian living with her partner and then in less than a year she got gender therapy and cut off her tits. It's a good thing she did that because that instantly killed all of my desire to be her friend.

It makes me incredibly sad tbh, I feel like everytime I gain a cool GNC girlfriend, I lose her to troon shit. I'm only crypto to the bestie though, everyone else knows I'm GC. Luckily our friendships don't overlap. I do feel that inevitably she will figure it out and it will instantly implode our friendship of 10+ years. Just waiting for that moment, tbh.

>>11774
Depends on the gendie and what you guys have in common. A handful of my friends are gendies, but they don't base every living day of their existence on them being gendies so it's easy to focus on the things that the foundation of our friendships are based on before I peaked.

>>11778
the culling of cool GNC lesbians is real and makes me very sad. one of my best friends i've had since childhood has always had body dysphoria and hated having breasts etc. since puberty - this was long before the gender shit was a thing. for a long while she was starting to work through it, after she came out and got into feminism and learned that performative femininity was bullshit and there was a reason puberty made her uncomfortable etc. but now she has been given this new shiny explanation for all her experiences as a woman not fitting right and think she is just getting sucked in. plus she equates trans and non binary people with "being gender non-conforming" which is especially annoying. I've tried subtly questioning her and saying "but aren't those things the opposite?" but felt like i reached a limit before i would have to go full terf-mode and definitely don't want to lose her friendship. i will put up a huge fight if she starts taking hormones or considering surgery though.

I’m crypto mainly to keep one specific childhood friend who is a mega TRA. If she didn’t exist I wouldn’t care… I post about Hogwarts Legacy in my “close friends” stories that she can’t view. I wouldn’t be surprised if a couple of other friends were disappointed by it bc I care a lot about general social justice like racial issues and obviously feminism. but they at least know that it’s stupid to care that much about a game.

I also shared one of Laetitia Ky’s posts to my public story recently. If anyone simply clicked the post and read the caption they would see I’m supporting a TERF. Kind of hidden in plain view I guess kek.

>>11771
>I genuinely believe you are all contributing to this madness and for what? To avoid a brief potentially awkward encounter?
To avoid losing our jobs nona. They have proven to harass workplaces and family members of complete nobodies for speaking up online. I can't speak against it but I can completely ignore it and not give it attention. I can only talk freely with people in person, which I do so they know exactly how deranged these people are.

>>11774
Yes, but any time they bring up gender stuff it's annoying as all hell, but they can peak. I've had woke friends who are now peaked terfs.

Pretty sure Lauren Mayberry is crypto. Prominent feminist, speaks out and posts about lots of social issues but completely silent on trannies and gender shit. A few years ago she was harassed and receiving death/rape threats for speaking out against Chris Brown, so I can definitely understand wanting to just live in peace these days without stirring the pot. I have a good feeling about her and really hope I’m not wrong.

>>11810
sorry to disappoint

I have a feeling Diane Morgan (Philomena Cunk) might be crypto terf or at least GC. She is connected to Ricky Gervais and Charlie Brooker - him and his wife are quietly GC - and just seems intolerant to bullshit and nonsense.

>>11811
Noo kek. But, 93 weeks ago I hadn’t peaked yet either. So I have hope for everyone. Especially self-proclaimed feminists.

>>11813
nta but I think she's just a well meaning liberal and has no actual idea about the damage troonism causes

my wish for 2023 is that at least one cool well known famous person will be revealed to be gc or openly peak. if you could pick anyone anons who would it be?

>>11774
yes you can definitely have gendie and handmaiden friends as a crypto but i think it's wise to keep in mind that not everyone will be open to being peaked or peakable at all. some will be open to it depending on the issue being discussed and their own personal experiences but some just won't allow themselves to open up to the "wrong" way of thinking and risk getting weird and aggressive.

>>11840
>if you could pick anyone anons who would it be?
The Harry Potter cast

>>11840
It sucks because with everyone I would love to see be GC, I know that "coming out" would essentially end their career and even ruin their lives. For non-celebs the stakes are a bit lower though we still may risk jobs or relationships. At least we won't be subject to stalkers who send rape and death threats. As much as I'd love to see someone like Dolly Parton say that men can never be women, I know it's just a wild fantasy.

>>11850
>It sucks because with everyone I would love to see be GC, I know that "coming out" would essentially end their career and even ruin their lives
That's the case for all of us out there, not just famous people tbh

>>11811
>trans is punk
kek wut?

>>11840
samefagging but i think it would be great if someone "queer" like kristen stewart peaked or "came out" somehow as gc. or as an ex /mu/fag any of kate bush/bjork/fiona apple, in the dream world

I tried to see if an old internet friend was a TRA by joking about teenagers taking over the internet with their pronouns and such but she ignored what I said and we talked about other stuff instead. I didn't think it was too forward because we used to be real and mean like that all the time. Sad because her sister and mom are lesbians especially her mom is gnc butch so I would have thought they'd all be fellow terfies but maybe not kek.
Also I'm in this weeb women's community and various discords as a crypto. There's TiFs and pathetic enbie women in their mid 30s everywhere but at least everyone's female kek. The other day, someone shared this tweet saying the community is filled with terfs and I'm like, bitch where? I want friends kek.

I have to be crypto because I'm in music too and the scene is painfully woke where I am. It sucks because some gendies are genuinely nice people in casual conversation. Hilariously though, the second I have alone time with a non-TRA it's like they're dying to talk about how silly and irritating they find it. I truly believe a lot of people act politically correct and kind in public but have peaked a long time ago in their minds. In creative industries in particular, optics and reputation are so crucial and easily shattered that you can't risk saying one easily misinterpreted word/dogwhistle. I have to play dumb all the fucking time and pretend I don't know about trans rights.
It's tiring nonnas. I feel like I'm always looking over my shoulder. I'd make a gc twitter or something but I've been off social media for a while and I feel like it'd just make me more unnecessarily outraged and upset on the daily. Reading lolcor comforts me enough in knowing there's more cryptos out there.

I'm struggling trying to stay crypto in a discord sever that my friend is in. They're all 15-19 and most of them are trans, so I usually play ignorant when JKR or the supposed 'trans genocide' is brought up. It's strange seeing these perfectly fine teenagers think they're legitimately being killed off for having fae/faer pronouns and wearing popular band tees.

>>11886
I made a GC twitter account and can confirm it’s not good for your health. It sucks bc it’s a good way to support like-minded individuals who may end up getting dogpiled by TRAs occasionally. I love to show solidarity with feminists and LGBwithouttheT. But at the end of the day it makes you feel like shit and it isn’t worth your well-being. Luckily I forgot the password to mine and I’m too lazy to reset it kek

>>11886
Tbh, i had to unfollow a lot of those accounts because i find the way terfs are treated so bleak. It really goes to show how a lot of libfems really don't give a shit about women who are abused in any capacity. It makes me so sick tbh. I also really don't like how right-wing men tend to hijack threads made by terfs to propel their own bullshit, if i ran an account i would block them right away and tell them to fuck off. I also think that constantly exposing yourself to misery all the time is just not good for your mental health.

>>11893
Same. I made the account so I could follow TERFy people without being noticed but it ended up being too intense. And I watched women I respect start to become unhinged from it all, the more they got sucked into arguments with TRAs and going down rabbit holes. Part of me wants them to take it easy but we also need women speaking up as much as possible. But I don't think you can be consistently involved in that conversation, every day, and not become crazy in some way. The gaslighting, abuse, completely nonsensical arguments is too much.

>>11897
>I also really don't like how right-wing men tend to hijack threads made by terfs to propel their own bullshit
whenever i see a terfy hashtag trending now, it's always overtaken by right wing moids (nearly always matt walsh) that are just piggybacking off of feminist arguments, that in reality they don't give a shit about but are just using one aspect of an argument to push their anti-LGBT or whatever.
it reminds me of how Tommy Robinson made the grooming gang story a right-wing issue by piggy-backing off of feminists who first raised the alarm for girl's safety, and then he distorted it into an anti-muslim thing. all the women's hard work in uncovering and trying to protect those girls was now undermined by Tommy foaming at the mouth about immigrants. this kind of shit is always happening.

>>11899
Definitely. At times I’ve felt like I blacked out and became unhinged too, after arguing with like 15 shitty people insisting that lesbians like penis. It can be too much for someone to handle and maintain their sanity.

>>11899
It's the kind of thing you can't do on the daily, but it can be hard to regulate social media use

>>11883
I always get a laugh out of how anime fanfic groups are true female-only spaces even though half the people there claim to be male or genderless

It does make me sad to see women in their late 20s and 30s buying into it though. Like sis please your brain is fully developed, I know our hobby is immature and cringe but you're better than this.

Did some who tried to have an undercover terfy/GC twitter has been able to connect with women who have similar ideas from around the world ?

i have a lot of art-related hobbies so kek, troons and tras everywhere.

want to bite my own fingers off whenever i have to sit through another discussion of how gender and homophobia didn't exist before the ebil white colonizers spread their ebil transphobic homophobia anti lgbtqiazyz+ agenda to the innocent brown folk

i am black myself btw i just get sick of how they talk

>>11774
i'm wondering this too. i have such a hard time speaking to people that are so ideologically different from me.
>how do you deal with it irl
normally, but i don't have to make friends with my boss or coworkers obviously. in my hobby spaces though…i would like to make friends and talk more but their minds are so far from mine it's annoying. how do they cape so hard for an ideology that can be blasted apart with simple questions like,

>what's a woman/man?
>what's it mean to "feel" a gender?
>what is a gender?

Been crypto for about a year now, was a TIF before so I'm still surrounded by troons. Most are TIMs because I was inflicted with the curse of liking video games, though I made really good friends with a girl who used to be a TIF and even though she was still a TRA a lot of the stuff she told me about unintentionally peaked me.

>>11916
radtwt and overlapping groups are alright, tbh it's kind of degraded over the years from a larger community to multiple smaller kinds of groups. there's women of all ethnicities and backgrounds there if you want to connect with other woc who discuss feminist issues in general and not only trans shit.

>>11916
Depends on what you mean by connect. There are tons of them and they’re relatively easy to find once you follow a few GC accounts or search hashtags for relevant topics. So you can definitely connect by showing solidarity and liking their tweets or replying. But I haven’t actually made friends or even had a conversation with any of them. I don’t think that’s necessary tbh

>>11932
DA that doesn't surprise me but it does make me feel kind of sad kek. I don't have any GC friends or anyone I talk to outside of places like this I feel I can be honest about my thoughts on gender with. I want terven friends so bad tbh

>>11923
>what's a woman/man?
A miserable pile of secrets

does anyone else remember crypto chan in /ot/? she was ALLEGEDLY a low-key but still famous celebrity who peaked and was venting online about being peaked in the industry and not being able to say anything as it would ruin her career. i wish i saved the message as it seemed intriguing. obviously lolcow= anonymous board and people lie but i think about her sometimes. hope you are thriving and peaking hollywood

Considering making a fake profile with some variation of enby pronouns to see if I get more accepted and get more commissions that way since I don't post my real face or name anyway. Get that troon money kek

i peaked recently and a few months before that, my online friend (also autistic because of course she is) came out as genderspecial (literally just wanted people to call her fake pronouns and identified as enby because it "felt right"). i played insanely stupid about feeling enby too but i am not sure what gender identity even means i overthought it i'm just so dumb and confused :(

and naturally she was unable to tell me anything coherent and kept sidestepping the question lmao. i pushed harder and said i fell into a rabbit hole and i didn't know there was so much controversy about
being trans and i just don't know who to trust. she talked about how it's okay that i still need to "educate myself" but that those views are causing trans people to get genocide'd and parents of trans kids have to escape the states (absolute bs like "life saving healthcare", made me want to barf).

i just ended up being like i'm sorry idk what i'm talking about i'm tired. she didn't get mad because she's a pretty good person (why i am trying to peak her) but she's been in a genderspecial community for so long and has many, many troon friends, so i'm not sure if it's possible. might risk it and make a last ditch effort by sending her a link to "the new backlash" but then not push it and going full crypto on being gc because all the spaces i'm in are full of trannies and i don't feel like being ostracized currently thank you very much.(. :( )

i cope by thinking of transmascs and they/thems as women doing drag

>>11963
This sounds very interesting, I hope you're able to find the posts. If you remember any exact phrases you can put them in double quotes "like this" using the search function.

>>12052
The problem with that is that I don't think there's any online pay method other than crypto that keeps your real name/address completely hidden from others if you want to take commissions.

>>12176
>The problem with that is that I don't think there's any online pay method other than crypto that keeps your real name/address
This is my issue kek sometimes I consider just openly pretending to be woke because it's the norm, but I just can't live with people thinking I support child genital mutilation and that I denounce real science even if every woke person around me thinks it's all ok. My moral compass just won't allow it. My moral compass would however let me take their money and donate it to anti-troon causes against their knowledge.