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Post art, ships, discussions, anything related to incest (fiction only). What are some incest ships that you're guilty of liking? Any incest in media that you hate? Post them all here and please keep it civil and the degeneracy low since most incest material is scroteshit (if it involves female characters).
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incest is wincest
No. 501517
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Holy shit we're already at the second thread? Glad to see there are so many nonies with peak taste. Toudecest to christen the thread
No. 501529
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>>501486I was an ichikara enjoyer when it was airing but now I kinda prefer osokara
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>>501528jonadio is the only nbr one i like
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No. 501558
>>501528BR but I'll accept NBR if the parties involved don't know
and never find out so it still has the incest sauce.
No. 501565
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Is your ship actually incest if there isn't an oreimo parody of it?
No. 501566
Excellent OP choice!!
>>501528Blood-related
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No. 501634
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>>501529Not the anon youre replying to but i used to be karaichi shipper and nowadays i like osoichi more lol. Ichi being so needy for oso to spoil him is kino
No. 501635
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>>501573There's something so aesthetically pleasing about siblingcest where they have similar features and hair colours, it's a shame jap artists are mostly awful at this one always has to have blonde/light hair while the other one black hair even in cases where they're (non-identical) twins so they can be told apart in black and white, I hate it
Picrel
>Onii-chan Datte Amaetai Wake deis my favorite brocest BL ever but on the cover they have different hair colours and it
triggers the shit out of me kek
autism aside I really recommend it for brocest drama enjoyers No. 501643
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>>501532I usually prefer blood related but jonadio has been my OTP ever since i got into the series when the first season aired. I completely forgive them for being nbr. Anyways heres jonadio fanart from CLAMP 1994
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>>501528BR, the only NBR "incest" ship I have found entertaining enough to read about was between a stepdad and stepson in a webtoon called Miscreants and Mayhem by an author named "Brothers Without A Tomorrow." Picrel is spoilered but it isn't explicit, it's just a screencap I took that shows the younger seme crying because he wants to own his stepdad kek.
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It's seme todo for me but I'll give any ososan pairing a shot
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No. 502379
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>>502178>>502180>scrolling down /m/>suddenly get jumpscared by hiirinHoly fucking based. A bit embarrassed to admit but they opened my eyes to brother/brother, shame they’re stuck in a kusoge gacha
No. 502568
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>>501517>Girl is scared that her mom won't be accepting of her boyfriend that she ran away with That's the only
valid interpretation of this scene
>>501635The touden siblings look so good together thanks to their realistic but pleasantly stylized designs and their similar nose shapes and stature, while still having enough contrasting differences to look interesting together. They really look like a matching set.
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A very cute & in character toudencest comic was posted on Twitter.
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please tell me I'm not the only one who shipped jim Hawkins with his mother? I think it's because they were the same height so it didn't really register that she was his mother.
No. 503071
>>502909The only reason I don't ship them is because
I am a seething jealous bitch. Laos is exactly my type and should be with ME goddammit.
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Does it ever happen that you find platonic arts of your siblings ships that fill your shipping needs even more than straight up incest would? Maybe it's because incest tend to be reduced to a porn tropes when I'm much more interested in the relationship itself and all of the familiarity and tenderness that come with being siblings who actually love each other.
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Same artist. She seems to draw them more than any other duo in the series.
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>>503567I have sisters but no brothers, and tangentially I have little to no interest in f/f incest (not that looking at incest will make you interested in your actual siblings, but I’m assuming that’s somewhat related to your question).
No. 503585
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I only just read Homestuck this year and I thought JohnJade was super cute and even more after it was revealed they were related. Hussie is a piece of shit who hates Jade though so she gets no decent scenes with him. I'll never get over how he retconned their three years.
No. 503593
>>503567I have an (according to others) good looking younger brother who's honestly a little too clingy and affectionate for his age and it grosses me out. I think I'd be more okay with it and even find it cute if he were a girl.
If it's related, I'm a lesbian IRL (no interest in IRL incest, but I do think this is part of why I find him so offputting). In fiction I think only same sex incest is interesting.
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>>503583This was always me too. I was a die hard elricest fan for like 12 years kek. I have a brother but I could never see him that way, like you I’m not into it for the incest for incest’s sake but 100% for the pain and mental torment / character study aspects. 5 years ago I briefly started posting about elricest on twitter but realized the only other people into it on there were literally:
>1) homie, the tif who cut her own leg off (i think she hadn’t cut her leg off at that point yet)>2) almost certain ang the pedo from western animation cows infamy was always lurking around there too>3) a woman who claimed to be fucking her IRL brother (and also drew hideous fucked up pedo stump art) and was pretty convincing about it to the point I said fuck this shit and abandoned my attempt at twitter communityAll three had hideous art styles in my opinion (they all draw garish children’s Cartoon Network Nickelodeon style while I’m an
Idea and
GDmechano picrel type elricestfag, aka artsy mature styles) and were just absolutely depraved individuals who were into it for much different reasons than me.
I wish I was old enough to properly participate in the elricest fan space back when it was common and popular instead of being banished to the show realm of pedophile schizos. And anyway, nowadays I think I’ve gotten a little too old to be into it like I used to, something about it doesn’t hit quite the same in my fully developed 25+ year old brain as it did when I was younger. But I still have some fondness for the concept.
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>>503585I'm surprised you didn't go for Dave/Rose or Stridercest. Holy shit, incestfags were insane about Stridercest back in the day.
No. 503939
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Nonnies who are into toxic brothercest really need to check out this year's sentai. One of the main antagonists is the main character's estranged older brother who has called him his angel and his salvation and is obsessed with him while constantly putting him down. Other characters, even on the villains side, have commented o how unnatural he is about his younger brother.
The most recent episode featured a fight leading up to a forced marriage between two other characters, which was directly paralleled through the brother telling the MC "marry me", to demonstrate his possessive desire for domination over his brother.
No. 503957
>>503939Nice. Which one,
nonnie?
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>>503594Despite being a massive trainwreck Shamballa itself as a concept is one massive Elricest bait YET this is how they chose to depict Al meeting Ed in the flesh?! How the fuck is his armour version MORE effusive than his flesh-and-blood body?!
50 episodes of those two having the most gay ass moments and this is what their reunion looked like,
fucking teases No. 503964
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>>503594>n Idea and GDmechanosupreme taste nona
may I ask which dojin is this.
About the artists you brought up, is any of them Dokudrinker? She (because its always a she, lets be real) did also some kimetsu incest art which I guess its what got her into muddy waters in the first place, cant find anything about her other than her archived art
she skirts dangerously into those gross kinks with Ed gaining some weight in some pics for some fucking reason but in my opinion her art is a nice blend of cartoony and anime unlike say, Homie's bug-eyed stump scribbles
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>>503957No.1 Sentai Gozyuger. You can find it on hosting sites by googling or torrent it on the cat site. Brother's name is Kuon and he appears starting in episode 7.
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>>503962I actually never watched it because from what I knew about it, I knew it would make me rage kek. I was also an autistic 12/yo tard who ragequit '03 when it started going off into crazytown. But that said, i love the art style and character designs from 03 and Shamballa, literally peak sex, so grungy and dark yet pretty. Brotherhood was ugly as hell compared to it.
>>503964Yup, artist of your picrel is girl #3 in my list of freaks. She used to go by yoshi something and had a curiouscat where she talked about how real life incest is good and how she is fucking her irl brother, which she made realistic sounding by refusing to answer detailed questions about it because she wanted to keep her "personal life private", unlike typical incest larpers who love to talk about it (laika/fanny comes to mind). I think I do remember seeing some time years later on a thread on here that it was actually a larp, but I could be misremembering that part or mixing up people.
But even other than that, her art just has a sickening vibe to it that I can't really put into words, like picrel, all the baby bottle suckling stuff, the weight gain fetish you mentioned, and she even drew them as realistic-bodied kittens fucking. I also hate how she draws everyone like bobbleheaded shotas regardless of age. IDK, really not my artistic taste at all, actually would rank her art as one of the most unpleasant to look at of any fan artist I've ever seen kek, which might sound dramatic but her art's vibes are just so…. nauseating and unsettling in a "looking at crime scene or irl abuse photos" sort of way.
Also, the doujin source, I don't remember which one it is, but it's a GD Mechano and there are only like 3 or 4 elricest ones by that author so it shouldn't be too hard to find.
>>503974don't lump me in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm yoshi's #1 hater
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>>503974Doublepost to share some actually good elricest art. Don’t remember the sauce unfortunately cause I saved it to my camera roll like 4 years ago during my elricest revival phase kek
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I just dug up some authentic circa 2012 elricest fanart that I did as a literal 12 year old. Fucking kek at the crumpled paper from me hand-scanning it after it lived unfinished in my middle school backpack for probably like 2 months.
and I just noticed, zoom in on the upper left corner. KEK.
I also thought you should know the original file name was "SEXEH-NESS.jpg"
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>>503982Shamballa is sort of a mixed bag if you're an good old 2003 oldfag. One one hand you have
Al's Germanic counterpart sharing a flat and room with Ed and being very close to each other with Eddy angsting about how this might be just a dream version of his brother which may or not be blatant Enricest bait, on the other Al is stuck as a 14 year old boy to Ed's 18 year old so, yeah.
Best part? #at the end They are stuck in our world dealing with Hitler and shit
the movie had so much potential and I am not just talking about more gratious homoincestuous moments but they had to rush it all because the three movie saga/miniseries original script got crammed into one flick.
Its funny how they tried to push a love triangle betweengypsy girl, Ed and German Al## i thought it was obivous that boy was gay for Ed
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>>503982>fucking her brotheranyways, does anyone have any good older sister x younger brother recs? All I get is older moid with his little uwu imouto shit, give me a sexy oneesama dammit
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>>503067>Jim and his momthats hotsomething that has always mistified me is why momson is not a more popular genre considering how manic lots of boymoms are, you'd think they'd be a niche underground market/community for that somewhere…
No. 504057
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>>503611Yeah I know Stridercest is king of Homestuck incest but I guess I just like the idea of these dorky awkward dweebs. There's also emotional potential in that Jade was alone for so long and finally gets to actually meet John and ARRRFGARGHHHH I wish it was explored in canon more. I need to write the fanfiction I want to see and learn to draw so I can make it real.
The striders are a little too intense, especially since the whole
abusive stuff was canon at the end. But something about Rose Dave also doesn't do it for me… It does it for me more but doesn't do it for me enough. As weird as this sounds I think they're just
too sexy. I really like the "losing yourself" aspect of incest and the Strilondes are too ironic and psychoanalyzy to give me that. They're completely aware of what's going on. But I could see John and Jade slowly eroding each other's boundaries without even realizing it and then calling into each other before they realize what's happening.
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>>504004>>504071Umineko has Eva and Rudolf. They don't get a lot of scenes together, but there's a NBR older sister/younger brother that are practically attached at the hip too if that still works.
The whole series is centered around a family
including secretly incestuous romances so if incest is your thing there's bound to be at least one pair you enjoy in it. I'm surprised it hasn't come up in this thread yet.
No. 504091
>>503611My OG parental surrogate
abusive age-gap brocest…. Stridercest before the alpha kids came along was the shit. Fanart and fics were completely mad and went into all sorts of directions. I must thank them for getting me into
oacest now
No. 504092
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>>504088Not between siblings, but there is same sex cousincest. But fair warning, the blood relation between the characters involved doesn't get revealed until later towards the end of the story. I should mention that all of the canon incest is also only in the story for drama/tragedy purposes as well.
Pic not related (it's the NBR sister/brother)
No. 504145
>>504057Its really funny, i was going through old homestuck blogs a few months ago (2010-2013ish) and the amount of posts arguing about how bro is 100% NOT
ABUSIVE is crazy. at that time, almost the entire fandom seemed to believe bro was not
abusive at all and i dont think he ever was besides exposing dave to puppet porn? any "
abusive" behavior was never given a serious feeling at all and was shown as light-hearted fucking around or bro wanting to train dave. I feel like a lot of HS oldfags agree that bro being
abusive was kindof an ass-pull, HS sadly became extremely melodramatic in act 6 and lost a lot of its light-hearted joking original nature.
and yes i can enjoy abusive ships but i just cant see stridercest as that No. 504149
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Image dump incoming. @mt_cheop (Twitter)
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No. 504152
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I love this kind of intimacy in toudencest arts. Subtle, natural, only slightly suspicious.
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Alright I'll stop for now.
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Wish i could read picrel. Rei/Fukiko is hard to come by
>>503992KEKK this is adorable
>>503982>her art just has a sickening vibe to it that I can't really put into words Yes! They tend to make it look like an unsettling childhood memory, it feels grey and slushy instead of thrilling. I like the concept of your picrel, brushing teeth is very intimate but she ruined it with those artistic choices
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>>503992its so cute nonita!I envy those who properly enjoyed the ship in its hayday.
Learning that brotherhood of all things DOES NOT have the brothers as obsessed with each other as 2003 canon felt like a gut punch.
>>503982This, Brotherhood's wonky artstyle made everyone look retarded. 2003 had this sexy edginess that worked perfect with its muted color palette.
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>>504209I like how dreary and depressing it looks… I like incest ships being really dolefull and unsettling so I think her art might be for the angsty incestfags kek I've never really liked the thrilling incest ships, I like it the most when it feels like a whispered memory or an anxiety inducing compulsion. I also like light fluffy stuff but only if it has an undercurrent of stomach knots and fear. I kind of love this art, but the artist sounds like a freak from how they described them.
>>504004There's Miquella and Malenia from Elden Ring.
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>>504358Shiera x Brynden would had been so fucking hotter if she was older (thus her whole magic gimmick would work better) but no, she had to be the YOUNGEST great bastard which means she was probably a decade younger than Bloodraven, jeez
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I love a good ol' gothic- aesthetic couple. It didn't matter that these two were siblings to me. plus I think it's utterly retarded how there's literal cannibalism and other gore you could find in the game yet people had more of a problem with the incest than the other gory things that happened
No. 505076
>>504358>I like incest ships being really dolefull and unsettlingSame. Maybe the issue isn't the vibe but the style, they draw like diaperfag cartoon fetishists and that's a total turn-off to me. It's just gross instead of gross, depressing and visually appealing
>>504412>awkward emotionally constipated older sister and her teasing obsessive little brotherThere has to be something like this, somewhere
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>>504145People still do that. They think that it "ruined" Dave's character when he acknowledged that was Bro did was abuse: that it was "missing the point" that Bro's horrible parenting early in the story was "just a joke." Male fans are particularly fond of this line of reasoning, likely because they idolize Bro and are asshurt that they comic "went woke" during act six. I find that strange, personally, because he's still a cool character, just a terrible parent. Batman is a horrible father too, but he's still a compelling character.
I've sperged about this in the Homestuck thread, but it's absolutely possible for black comedy about Bro's parenting to coexist in a story where the actual recipient of that mistreatment takes it seriously. Dark things are played for laughs
and taken seriously in Bojack Horseman, for instance. That's kind of the essence of black comedy/tragicomedy. And I doubt Hussie intended it this way, but it's actually a pretty believable portrayal of how
toxic masculinity affects male survivors of abuse. They treat it as one big joke or a test of their resilience when it's actually happening, only to look back on it later when they're in a healthier place and recognize it for what it is actually is. Also, Dave is shown openly resenting Bro in a serious, non-comedic context back in act five, what a lot of obsessive Bro defenders consider the "good" part of the story.
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God bless Ikeda. Will we ever get another GL incest ship like this?
>>504366Not familiar with the ship from your post but at first glance they read like a scary angsty older brother who's obsessed with his sister, so he ends up acting in pretty pathetic and devoted ways. A good mix of covetousness and submission.
>Although she refused to marry him, Shiera did share her bed with him and was amused by his jealousy.Nice
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>>504057>>503611NTA, i never payed johnjade much attention before but i see the appeal now. They are indeed silly dorks and are really cute and wholesome together. Especially with Jade's isolation and John's going with the flow, ah the possibilties…
daverose is cute to me as well, what with Dave's freudian slips and Rose's love for psychoanalyzing and poking fun at him. Theyre absolutely aware of it and call each other out constantly but still keep doing it kek.
Weirdly, i prefer davedirk over classical stridercest. It just doesnt really do it for me. I guess theres something much more appealing about two people meeting the teen version of their respective guardians they idolized growing up in isolation, and their fucked up bio-ecto-relativity, it makes the spiralling so much more satisfying. davedirk fics are absolutely insane.
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>>5057082003 was superior in every way but because Sloth was basically their stand in for a daughter, they were responsible for her existence and both quarrelled back and forth about what their attitude her existence should be
it sounded like Al wanted to keep the baby vs Edward wanting to abort it kek very in-character
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>>506751>>506753My introduction to incest… I was completely unaware of it until the Mystery Twins… Changed my fucking break chemistry. So many good fics of these two.
A ship that no one seems to like but that I absolutely love is Sebastian/Maru from Stardew Valley. There's so much room for an angsty guilt ridden sibling relationship there, especially with how moody Sebastian is.
This entire thread has only convinced me that I really need to start writing fanfiction so I can create what I want to see in the world.
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No. 507649
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>>506925Ikr. I hate how much the fandom tried to paint Mabel as this selfish brat, when more often than not, dipper was the one selfishly prioritizing his pining for a girl who's both too old and taken over his sister. The final wasn't dipper giving up on his dreams for Mabel, it was them both realizing that they're meant to stay together and that they're happier this way.
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>heard it was one of the best otome vns with NBR and BR routes
>read it
>BR is the true route so it must be kino, right?
>it's shit
I'm so disappointed, the NBR route was better (and with more incest vibes) than the boring ass BR. Did they cut endings and routes in the censored version for steam? Or it was just famous for the NC-tier bad endings?
No. 508407
>>508377tl;dr wasted potential, NBR does incest better
so at the start of the game he is her family's gardener that she has a crush on
in the other routes (mainly the detective) she (and the player) finds out
he is her mother's son with her uncle, that was raised by commoners; her father finds out, kills the kids parents and tries to kill the kid, who then grows up to get revenge on her familyhis route has three endings, from best to worst (imo) plus the detective route:
>happy ending:he doesn't ruin her family, they run away together, he keeps his criminal business and their blood relation a secret from her it's cute, but from her pov is just running away with her childhood sweetheart, there is no angst, his issues and deep self loathing aren't adressed, it's just boring
>"sister zoned" ending:he doesn't ruin her family, they run away together to run his drug business, he tells the truth about their relation but keeps her as his sister while she wants to jump his dick it's wasted potential imo they confessed to each other, they could start a new life as a couple, but instead she watches him fuck other women from the cuck chair. again, no proper incest angst in the true incest route
>NC-tier ending:he kills her entire family, drives her mad and then pimps her out while crying about it i get it's supposed to be a bad ending with him commited to finish his revenge, but still loving her and regretting doing so and wallowing in selfloathing but it's shallow and boring (and pathetic kek). i don't like "driven mad" endings because imo they are boring and rely on shock value, and once again no incest angst in the fucking incest route
>detetive route:she finds out he is her brother and that he killed her parents, they cry about it and say goodbye. she lives happilly ever after with her NBR brother and her friends storywise it's my favorite ending but it's not a romantic route so once a-fucking-gain no incest angstmaybe it has a bigger impact with the sex scenes, maybe the fandisk expands these lackluster endings, but storywise i found it pretty fucking weak
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I was traumatized by the end of common route. FD made the justice he deserved.
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I know TCOAAL has brother/sister incest, but is there any momson? Andy is very cute. Regardless if there is or not, I'd like recommendations of honestly anything that has momson– shipbait, implications, downright canon, doesn't even have to officially be incest as long as the potential for it is there.
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>>508858To be honest, no though the fandom has plenty of fan art for it. She’s a neglectful mom who basically has Andrew raise his sister, their interactions are mainly her (when he’s younger) telling him to get his act together and control his sister, or (when older) telling him and his sister to put some distance between each other. There’s also a mod called the Coffin of Andrew and Renee that does explore the potential of their relationship but it’s ongoing and I can’t testify to the quality of it since I’ve never played it.
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This might be the first fandom I've been in where an incest ship was so popular/largely tolerated. It's cute.
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>>508952So I'm learning. What a breath of fresh air.
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>>504004>>504071Yor and Yuri from Spy x Family
if you're okay with her being canonically married. When his episode first dropped I saw people considering dropping the show because they found his obsession with his sister too weird kek