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The deltarune anniversary is coming up so I thought it would be a nice thread to make.
No. 326537
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>>326423>Anyways, I headcanon Kris as being an awkward autistic girl because I just like that interpretation the most.Same, I also headcanon Frisk and Chara as girls. It’s impossible for me to see any of them as male.
No. 326557
>>326537I headcanon Chara as a girl because it's a feminine name here (spain) and Kris as a boy, because it sounds like Chris, a masculine name here. I don't know for Frisk though. But I just use they for all three of them.
Does anyone have this Tumblr theory that says Chara is the narrator? It's very long and also includes pictures, not just text. I dont remember the OP's blog, I think it was deleted. There are many similar posts out there but I'm specifically looking for that one.
No. 326625
>>326423I headcanon Frisk as a girl, Chara as a boy (because it's the murderous unhinged character kek) and Kris as a boy still because he/she looks like Chara with the shirt.
Also I would have preferred for the chapter to be published separately, but oh well.
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Who's your favorite character? I love Susie
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>>326821Noelle! Super cute design and a really interesting storyline.
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>>326821Kris, with Noelle as a close second. I find the concept that
Kris is being controlled by the player and she has her own personality and desires separate from us so fascinating. Especially in the snowgrave route were you have the player manipulating Kris and forcing her to manipulate Noelle. I can’t wait to see how this is explored in the coming chapters.
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>>331703Wow this is fascinating. Women in fandom are so smart. One thing I love about UTDR is how it subverts genre expectations but still manages to be the greatest RPG of all time. Looking at it through this lens gives it a whole extra layer of subversion. It also helps me to understand why UTDR was an instant hit, as well as how it has been able to support such a large, longlasting (international!) fandom. Undertale truly is a game made by fans for fans.
>>335847Which parts do you already understand? What questions do you have?
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It's strange to think we'll be celebrating the anniversary of a decade-old game in a year from now. With these newsletters to tide us over, though, I'm not complaining. This one especially had everything: unused concepts, Undertale content, Deltarune sneak peeks, non-canon blue gasterblasters…
Speaking of those Deltarune sneak peeks, anyone else think this preview confirms Seam's warning of a dark world at night? "You don't want to get caught when the sun goes down…" and all.
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>>417473It's honestly a bit worrying that Deltarune still isn't out. The lead artist Temmie has released multiple games in the gap and still nothing from Toby. I think he's getting suffocated by success.
>Seam's warning I think that was just alluding to Kris stabbing himself in the chapter 2 ending. It was night at his house.
Btw Undertale Yellow is an amazing fan game if you haven't played it yet nonna.
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>>417481>I think he's getting suffocated by success.If that were the case, I think it would have happened around when Undertale was most popular. The way things are, it seems as if he's come to terms with this (by trying to scrub away any traces of his old FWUGRadiation persona) and is using his popularity to meet and work with industry big shots. I believe the main problem lies in the fact that Robert's the financially comfortable "bottleneck" for any game content his friends make. He's basically set with the money and customer trust from his previous game, which gives him much time to decide what should be added and worked on to his literal dream game by his, in all-likelihood, part-time team. Right now, though, with the addition of the Producer, it seems to be going well and they don't have much left.
>I think that was just alluding to Kris stabbing himself in the chapter 2 ending. It was night at his house.I think you mean Kris stabbing the ground or ripping us out, but you're probably right. There does seem to be an interesting connection between the times when Kris goes soulless and the time of day, so far there's only been one instance of soul-ripping during daytime.
About UTY, it's amazing based on the sheer fact it got finished. It deserves praise just for getting out of the Ruins, yet still managed to be good on its own. It has its faults, I don't remember anyone liking the ending and some parts definitely weren't playtested (I lost hours of my life to that rhythm game in the first version), but it managed to get very close to Undertale's feel, if more visually detailed. Nothing can really top the shock of Omega Flowey, but Yellow's Flowey fight was still very creative with its use of mixed media, even if I wasn't very invested in Martlet and felt like the game was railroading me into betraying him.
Have this pic of Guardener.
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>>417481Undertale Yellow is pretty neat. I like the restraint they had to only have like two or three of the characters from Undertale in it. Loved picrel despite being an OC.
The difficulty really spikes at end. I never managed to beat any of the route bosses No. 446401
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Since chapters 3 and 4 are coming out this year I'm curious nonnies, what are your current guesses for who's gonna be the knight? Or do you believe in multiple knight's theory?
Also any guesses for chapter 4 dark fountain location?
No. 446618
>>446401I still believe in Knight Alvin and Chapter 4 Church. No other Knight theory has a moment like in VGFM's post where it turns out that Alvin fits pixel-perfectly into the computer room closet, and both ideas have too much potential to not be utilized in a dark world IMO. Every other candidate had their time to shine in Undertale or almost definitely will in future chapters due to their relationship to our main characters, but the Roaring Knight's unknown identity could be a great place to slot in both the Boom family and the religious motifs in the game, even his sister could do just for that Gerson connection.
The wider community seems to believe in Knight Kris and Chapter 4 Noelle's House. While I do think that Kris is A Knight, the glitching of the outro song leads to me believe that Kris creating a fountain wasn't meant to happen and they are going against whatever has been set up for them, among other things. Noelle's house, meanwhile, could just as easily be a normal light world part, especially now that we know testers were complaining about it being "inconvenient not being able to save during certain longer portions" when we can't save in the light world.
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I recently rewatched undertale the musical and I'm surprised to see how well it holds up. Some lyrics are giga clunky, and many of the artworks are less than stellar, but Flowey, Alphys and Mettaton rock it. Bergen + Asgore feels so cinematic, too.
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I remember getting into Deltarune from the /trahs/ threads on 4chan. I don't use the site anore but I'll miss the Suzie posting.
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No. 491952
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Necroing- Toby dropped a bunch of ARG-like sites at midnight on a thursday.
Alternate ending for the Spamton Sweepstakes:
https://deltarune.com/sweepstakes/silence/Typing in each chapter as a url (/chapter1, 2, 3, 4, 5) gives you different results, seemingly related to the influence of that chapter on the Weird Route, except for Chapter 4.
chapter4/message gives you a puzzle with MP3 files. e.mp3 and m.p3. They're laid out in a keyboard arrangement. the m.mp3 keys spell out "thank you".
chapter4/thankyou requests two text fields. Notably the page title is "How long did it take her to smile?"
Here's a list of all the URLs so far for you to experience. Any other findings by nonnies are appreciated. I'm stuck on /thankyou, I don't know if we are not meant to have the answer yet. I tried inspecting all the pages, but there wasn't anything that you couldn't figure out by fiddling with them.
https://file.garden/Z5ExElaiZBJdbvsT/windowstext.txtjannies pls don't ban
No. 491957
>>491956Ah, ty for the clarification
nonny. Was unsure of the exact timeframe.
No. 491988
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>>491952https://deltarune.com/code/Brings you to Noelle's neocities esque blog. Someone in the comments is called sports. No sure who that is.
No. 492089
>>491973I’m of the belief that Noelle is the Angel because of all the associated imagery, and you get some of the more violent/poignant one in the weird route, like the thorn ring which to me brings to mind the biblical crown of thorns. I think even in a normal route, since she still has escapist fantasies, she will be the Angel, and I wonder if the weird route is just us, the player, accelerating that by worsening her mental state.
One of the pages, /rarecats, has a special cat with Angel wings and a halo and when you click it you get taken to rows of windows, one of which takes you to /lostwheretheforestwouldgrow, which is a tree that leads you to a second row of windows that this time direct you to /thepoorchildren- and the window title for this last one is “therapy”.
Scratching on the middle of the window reveals the Easter egg three from both released chapters and clicking on it directs you to one of Noelle’s blog posts about, basically, the egg item appearing in her computer in a videogame and then “fleeing”, presumably to Deltarune’s real world. So Noelle is super important.
Considering we get the eggs while controlling Kris I think she underwent whatever traumatic event Noelle underwent too. Probably why she’s also being escapist and opening dark worlds after she rips us out.
Given the symbolism at the clinic with the children’s toy (idk what it’s called, but it’s that one with wooden beads sliding along a wire path) with the beads coming off the path and being broken, the weird route probably derails the prophecy and Noelle is both the Angel and, now, a loose cannon.
Sorry for massive sperg
nonnie I am hyped kek
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>>492089I thought the blue bead was berdly, noelle is usually more associated with yellow- but now that i actually think about it kris is typically represented by blue too + the text says “one of the” so it could actually be more ambiguous as to who’s being alluded to here. it’s probably just supposed to mean berdly but maybe it could mean something about kris diverging from their “set path” as well. what you said about it meaning a general derailment of the prophecy also makes sense and im very excited to see what noelle’s going to do in future chapters. i will say tho one broken bead does not chance the fact the other beads are still marching grimly on their set path
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>>503292is this real? how did it leak?
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>>503298Yes, they're real. I think people found them through the copyright info on ASCAP/Songview. But a pretty funny thing that happened before the full tracklist leaked is that Materia Collective were being retarded and copyright struck similarly named fansongs which revealed actual track names in the process.
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pls remember to spoiler things itt
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On one hand I'm glad it's finally coming out today, on the other hand we'll have to wait like 2~3 more years for the next chapter(s) to happen.
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Yeah didn't expect this. The rest has been fun so far though. S-rank responses only please.
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tenna just felt like a shittier version of spamton
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>>503936forgot picrel I’m not reposting this shit again
No. 503940
pretty good chapters. i have some thoughts.
tenna was absolutely walmart-brand spamton. very let down by how similar feeling the two characters (and even chapters) were.DID ANYONE SEE THE SNOWGRAVE SCENE. it was so creepy and interesting. that we don't see anything normally makes me curious if there are other things we can do to trigger the vent scenesmy theory is that
susie is going to be the 'real' hero of the game, and the prophecy has something to do with one or all of the three main heroes dying OR having to kill the knight in real life (maybe this ties into snowgrave?)ralsei obviously has some weird shit going on with him but now i'm even more confused with who he's alignedi feel like the newly introduced characters aren't half as impactful as the previous ones. i already forgot all about tenna, and i think grandpa/old man mentor is too tropey even for a game like this.>>503936what's the egg for? No. 503943
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>>503940>what’s the egg for?we don’t know yet, the game says they’re not to important, not too unimportant but I collect them each chapter in case they do end up being important/for completion sake
the way you get it this chapter is VERY DIFFERENT from the other ones though and a lot more mind-fucky No. 504001
>>503994The pairing definitely feels like Toby wants to push it, but I found it funny how most of the Deltarune ship art I would end up seeing would be of Kris x Noelle lel.
I just ignore the gendie stuff. With Kris he’s just a teenage boy to me.
No. 504029
>>503999>>504001Yeah I don't really interact with the fandom besides the basic things like theories and gameplay related stuff.
>not to mention the plethora of trans noelle headcanonsI'll be real I'll never believe in any "this character is actually trans!" headcanons because they're always made by narcissistic trannies and their delusions. And why even listen to them in the first place? I easily avoid that in every media I've ever consumed. It's your average transwashing crap that every other popular thing suffers from.
>“I wish she would beat me up haha”I could try and say this is because Susie is a big troublemaking lizard but to be frank I think it's just Toby's writing being retarded. In any case, if they end up together, good for them! Idgaf about shipping, kek.
No. 504065
>>503994I agree with this. Kris' relationships with Noel, Ralsei, and Susie are all supposed to be representative of various narrative themes. Various interactions are suggested/pursuable but they're all part of a greater whole.
Noelle and Susie to get pushed as canon a lot though by an annoying portion of the fanbase.
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love this silly gnc purple dinosaur
i think shes neat
No. 504250
>>504215I think it’s because
when Kris puts the ring on her forcibly there’s a small red flower losing its petals. It’s a visual metaphor for deflowering, which is a term usually associated with rape. That said I don’t think it is that exactly, though there’s definitely loaded connotations for
forcing a ring with thorns onto her finger.Ever since I saw that scene I’ve just been waiting for everyone else to catch up and analyze it because it’s so unexpectedly dark for this series and I still don’t think they would really go there?
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So I’ve caught up with a lot of the spoilery stuff, and what I want to know is why so much of it revolves on the premise of torturing Noelle specifically. I know everyone else has their struggles with Susie being implied to come from a bad home and Kris with the divorce which really seems like small potatoes by this point, but Noelle lost her sister, she’s losing her dad, she’s got problems with her mom, she’s doing homework for two people, and in the weird route she could have killed berdly. Naturally, she doesn’t have anyone she can talk to about this. I don’t have issues with dark storylines at all whatsoever but I just feel like I’d feel less icked out by this if Noelle was anything other than a weak pushover victim throughout with the generic nice girl personality. It just feels like a weird fetish and the comments about it being mindbreak definitely don’t help.
It would be nice to see her act out, and we do get a hint of this with her throwing the phone after she’s forced to turn berdly down as a date, I’m thinking that’s probably foreshadowing for the end of Snowgrave/weird route, except then she won’t need help making the choice to freeze Kris/potentially You. I’m excited to see what other Noelle fans make of this though. She’s my favorite and I know she’s the favorite of a lot of people in this thread too
No. 504283
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I really despise how Toby treats Asgore post-Undertale/in Deltarune. He's used solely as comedic relief throughout four chapters just because of 'le funny divorce man' and he keeps getting gay shipbaited with a literal-who that didn't even exist before the Alarm Clock dialogue despite being married and having kids. Not to mention Toby's favoritism with Toriel is genuinely insufferable to sit through.
I'd rather have him not show up at all than seeing him flanderized by the same person that created him
No. 504288
>>504283The way fandom has had its obvious influences on Deltarune would be my biggest criticism of the game. It has some genuinely interesting things going on but Astore's flanderization, the way Tenna is just wannabe Spamton, and honestly the way some of the ship dynamics attempt at capitalizing off of Undyne/Alphys' popularity are all turnoffs that dilute what Deltarune could be.
Maybe I'm biased though since I've always disliked Undyne and Alphys (mostly Alphys). Alphys always seemed to me like such a pathetic attempt at capturing a specific kind of fan through unnatural capitalization on nostalgia.
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>>504273i have a theory on why
it's happening to noelle. i'm assuming you saw
ALL of the snowgrave scenes in chapter 4, where there's a small moving red dot with noelle weakly saying 'thank you', and then the scene at the end where that red dot gets bigger. i believe
the 'thank you' bit is a reference to chara. we know from the genocide route that chara is awoken when someone becomes powerful, and the mantra of snowgrave is 'noelle becomes/became stronger.' i think this plus noelle being excited to see kris at the festival in snowgrave implies that noelle is gonna desire to hurt people on her own or has otherwise 'woken up' to the feeling of 'power'. i've seen people say the growing red dot is black smoke obscuring the human soul/us, but i initially thought it was an eye, or chara's eye, to draw a clearer parallel. either way
the prophecy talks about banishing the angel's heaven, and we know noelle is an 'angel' and we are 'heaven'. what if banishing the angel's heaven means the heroes have to banish the player/human soul from controlling noelle because of snowgrave? it's specifically ANGEL'S heaven, not just heaven itself after all. i think a lot of this interpretation is based on the way i interpret the prophecy though.
No. 504337
>>504331Ok I'm still on chapter 3 but I just saw something very shitty in
the odd videogame that Kris plays behind Tenna's back where
a figure that looks like Noelle gets used by us/Kris so we/Kris can do a powerful attack and I can't stress this enough
please watch the video sorry I'm like freaking out
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how do you get the egg in chapter 4?
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I have a lot of thoughts about chapters 3 and 4 to share character relationships-wise, I'm gonna spoiler and leave it for any other interested nonnies. It'll be a wall of text, read only if you're as retarded about pixels as me.
The TLDR is that I think the Susie/Noelle relationship is a scripted event of the prophecy, and that's the reason it's so overtly saccharine. Everything else spoilered
I will also disclaim that I have a bias for the Ralsei/Susie relationship. I don't ever think they could develop into anything in a week, I don't think it's possible, but I see potential in their chemistry so that bias will show here.
So, in Chapter 4, we learn that the prophecy is very specific, sometimes down to the dialogue. This explains an interaction in Chapter 2. If you return to the Ferris wheel with Ral and Susie in your party, he will mention how surely susie is thinking of her ride with Noelle, but she isn't (she's wondering what a "Ferris" is). You can also skip the Ferris Wheel entirely, and the game gives you no consequence for it, but other interactions between Susie and Ralsei are unavoidable and unskippable across all chapters, with even more happening under optional circumstances. Susie also doesn't do any advances toward Noelle even if you tell her to (she defies the player constantly so nothing rare there).
During Chapter 2 she also asks Kris who she (she Kris) would take to the Festival. The two options other than Susie herself are Noelle and Ralsei, and I think in some way, this is a way Susie's pondering both of them. But we then see no matter what she answers, Susie asks Ralsei first, and considers Noelle after he has said he can't. When Noelle brings up the Festival later on she also mentions Ralsei again… And ultimately invites Noelle to the festival as an affront to Carol.
Chapter 4 is honestly where it gets completely crazy. I am specifically thinking of Susie's rendition of the church DW where there is a prophecy about her saying "love will find the girl". The phrasing is interesting, love will find her, rather than her finding love, which shows her as a passive agent in this regard.
Now, there is a small Susie/Noelle sequence in her home, and I have yet to test this, but I noticed the only reason I got all the dialogue was because, as the SOUL, I took a really long time touching both the breaker and the guitar. Hence, if you were to touch them quickly, would you also skip most of it?
Not to mention, that sequence is… very rom-com feeling, for lack of a better word. Nonas here have said smth similar: The ferris wheel and this feels like toby is telling us they're intended to be shipped, but all the meat and potatoes of their relationship is completely skippable. Meanwhile, Susie and Ralsei have several arguments and character development moments together. You have to see most of those, and it makes the inoffensive cutesiness of the scene at Noelle's house almost stale in comparison (just fluff, rather than conflict and development). In the final battle of Chapter 4, when you use "Dual Heal", they even heal together.
That said. We know Ralsei is a massive stickler to the prophecy. That he sees very little purpose to himself, other than to fulfill it. Susie is the one, in fact, making him develop by egging him on to do what he wants to do, rather than constantly self sacrificing. And in the Weird Route, when things derail and don't go how they are supposed to, Susie and Noelle don't ride the Ferris Wheel. He is very distressed when Susie exits the room, and asks what she was doing with Noelle. I think this is him wanting to make sure that things went the way they are supposed to. Now, I still think there was a romantic moment in there, because I think Noelle basically "took what she wanted" (which is what you make her do in the weird route) and either confessed to Susie or, my preferred view, that she kissed her. And Susie keeps this information from Ralsei to protect his innocence and his feelings (she's willing to tell Kris because she probably feels cool, and confident, that a girl likes her. We know she has issues with self esteem and feeling unneeded.)
I think Susie/Noelle is a part of the prophecy, a part of the script, and stuff like the Ferris Wheel or this scene in the Holiday house are beats of the prophecy that happen in very safe, tropey ways because it's what's supposed to happen, which is why Ralsei double checks it and endorses it. However, we also have unused sprites from the Trash Zone in chapter 2 where Susie blushes very heavily when Ralsei heals her, and we also have her react quite intensely to his face on two separate occasions… And we know Susie doesn't do prophecies! She subverts the expectation of the narrative at every turn!
Finally, the secret boss of Chapter 4 is normal Gerson. When you fight him (Which happens with Susie and only susie), through dialogue he basically recounts the beats of all chapters INCLUDING chapter 5… titled The Field of Pink and Yellow/Gold? (not exact, but it is there) And mentions it being "burnt by jealousy"… I can't figure jealousy from whom but my idea is that it will be Noelle. Pink and gold/yellow are adjacent to Susie and Noelle, it's even the colors their attacks and names have in the DW.
After which he says that the text of the prophecy ends there… and asks susie what ending SHE WANTS. And we already know Susie intends to defy the prophecy by trying to save Ralsei from fading like every other darkner and repeats insistently that she won't leave him behind.
I think part of Ralsei's reluctance is also that he, too, is interested in Susie… but can't go against the script, and is ransacked by guilt over it. We see other instances of him feeling guilt over his "selfish" (really just normal person) emotions and wants. He even asks Kris if she can buy an ice cream for Susie in his name! And across 3 and 4 he praises Susie with increasing intensity, calling her a nice girl, then very nice, then really, really nice. So basically, I think they're star crossed. Friends if you want it, lovers if you believe my schizophrenia. Love will find the girl, but she may not necessarily want what the script has prepared for her!
I also find it very plausible that chapters 6 and 7 involve susie trying to write her own fate, which involves not leaving Ralsei behind.
Let me know if you think this is interesting. The character relationships are one of my favorite parts about this game. Sorry for Omega retarded autism
No. 504590
>>504585kris also
blushes when offering susie her (kris') knife. krusie has always had its moments with kris specifically liking susie most, wanting her jacket, prefering to go with her to the festival, her tea giving kris the most HP, etc.
No. 504612
>>504215I saw a youtube comment say something similar, it's
because she's becoming a living weapon that the player will control later on, I don't want to believe
Toby would actually put an allegory for SA in a game.
No. 504615
Just saw the thorn ring scene on YouTube, I feel very uncomfortable and scared, also unnerved, and a bit disgusted honestly but I don't think it's meant to be rape, Kris puts the ring on Noelle and the flower dies but that's because the ring is made of rose thorns, so the rose dies and only the thorns are left, this is what I understand anyway. I'm not liking where this route is going, but those thinking it's rape are I hope looking too deep into it and trying to make it worse than it already is. Nonetheless I don't like where this is going, the weird route had the perfect amount of creepy and sad before, this is too much for me. I feel as if chapter 1 & 2 were a fun time capsule and now with this new nightmare fuel stuff everything is getting ruined.
I want to say, Toby would never! But he's male. And males are stupid. It's making me upset.
I can't stress this enough this whole thing is making me feel ill. What the fuck.
Sorry for reposting I'm trying to organize my thoughts
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>>503799>puts polyshit in his game>last ditch attempt to save a failing relationship>third person taking advantage of the other two>throuple falls apart spectacularly>neither of the original couple were ever interested in the third >it's all treated as a massive joke>The party is all disgusted when Rouxls implies they're in a throuple If the subtext is accidental then hilarious, if it's purposeful then
incredibly based from Toby KEK No. 504650
>>504600This is exactly what got me, I just felt bad for him. I'm soft on characters who are helplessly left behind by the times.
>>504639I never really got Spamton's appeal to be honest. I was really shocked when I learned he even has yumes on par with Sans lol.
People just have different tastes. I see the comparisons to Spamton but I think the similarities are mostly in surface level appeal. They tie into narrative themes differently and Tenna just ended up landing for me in ways I personally like.
No. 504654
I have seen so many deep-cut disturbing underground movies that didn't shock me despite being ridoculously graphic, and yet
the scene where Kris forces Noelle to put on the thorn ring made me feel physically ill. I doubt it's supposed to imply rape even with the flower imagery because Toby has no balls, but if you view it that way, then god does the scene get horrifying>>504615>I want to say, Toby would never! But he's male. And males are stupidIn all honesty it's VERY well-written.
Kris being silent as he puts the ring on her and how he does it all without explanation mirrors how irl abusers are impossible for their victims to understant, the fact that it's happening in such a casual setting is realistic (most rapes take place in the victims' homes) and the pacing is good too. You can tell something bad is gonna happen but when it eventually does, you realize it's so much worse than you expected. And Noelle just freezes, the last thing she says is Kris' name in a desperate attempt to still communicate and keep the interaction human. However, I'm worried about where it's gonna go from there. There seems to be a narrative about
us making Kris do things he doesn't want to do while at the same time having Kris complete those actions, which muddies things. Idk how it could be possible to make a rapist the hero of your game. Yeah sure Jimmy is too in Mouthwashing, but he isn't celebrated and marketed the way Kris is. TLDR; it's horrifying and painful to see but it's interesting. It struck a nerve, but it did so because it's well-written
No. 504675
I'm honestly on the side of Toby being self aware of how disturbing the Snowgrave route is and the allegory it presents for domestic abuse. I highly doubt Toby would choose to write this scene in chapter 4 the way it is written after the discussion of Snowgrave post chapter 2 if he did not want to portray these themes in this work.
This is a childhood friend who Noelle trusts. Noelle, herself, is deeply traumatized by her missing sister and a strained, potentially
abusive relationship with her mother, being used to feeling invisible to others. It feels like Toby is trying to set this dynamic up on purpose to illustrate how Noelle becomes a
victim. Admittedly, I might too cynical on the premise to read it as anything other than trying to be a metaphor for domestic abuse. It's weird seeing how the community reacts to Snowgrave, considering how disturbing it is to me. I agree so much with
>>504654, it is incredibly well-written considering the circumstances, without being tasteless or 'titillating'.
On the meta-narrative level, it does feel like Toby is trying to comment on the idea of dating sims / love interests in video games using Kris, where the player is involved with Noelle without Kris' or Noelle's explicit consent because we are the only ones with true agency.
I am super interested in this route because of how dark it is, but I am seriously confused that Toby would choose to write it, especially with the audience he's cultivated. He's partnering with Nintendo to put domestic abuse metaphors on their consoles. It's just a risky move imo that could blow up in his face. But that's my sperg.
No. 504757
>>504753NTA, whenever there's an allegory for
toxic friendships/relationships, I don't get why everyone goes STRAIGHT to "this must be a metaphor for rape" kek. There are plenty of
other situations where someone could feel trapped, especially in a surreal fantasy setting like Deltarune's.
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>>504753samefag, learned from a youtube comment that toby fox apparently took out the rose scene! normal people rejoice
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>>504639He's not my favorite but he's okay kek I think he's funny enough, though not as good as Spamton.
Queen reigns supreme as always No. 504811
>>504675>On the meta-narrative level, it does feel like Toby is trying to comment on the idea of dating sims / love interests in video games using Kris, where the player is involved with Noelle without Kris' or Noelle's explicit consent because we are the only ones with true agency. >He's partnering with Nintendo to put domestic abuse metaphors on their consoles. It's just a risky move imo that could blow up in his face.I agree with all of this.
A lot of people say stuff like "Lol he put a Homestuck song in Pokemon" but that with that song, the way I see it, it's simply an example of a musician coming with similar themes because they have a certain style. I think he would't ruin his chances to work with a massive franchise like Pokemon to be le epic trolle.
It's not like Nintendo hasn't portrayed dark or difficult topics before, like with Famicon Detective Club, or Mother 3, but the way they portray things has a certain sanitized style. I'm scared that Toby may be flying too close to the sun.
Which brings me to a maybe controversial opinion of my own… Undertale and the previous two Deltarune chapters have a certain type of whimsy, even the horror aspects feel more like reading a creepypasta about your favorite childhood game at 3 am. It's creepy, but not absolutely horrifying like
the new scene with Noelle. We as the player are really making Kris do some fucked up things in the name of "what would happen if I pushed on". It did make me uncomfortable which is the point, and he did make that a point in Undertale too. It still felt like a lot. I don't want that whimsy to suddenly disappear, I know there'll be more fun and nice moments to be had in the future. But I can't deny it, something in this story has substantially changed. I'm not mad at it, it's just different.
No. 504813
>>504783Ayrt, if it's not what Toby was trying to do then good (you don't need to call people who had that theory "not normal" btw) but I think he could've set up the scene differently then. The rape metaphor that some people see isn't an asspull.
>flower animation>the act of forcing a thorn into the flesh>the casual setting with it happening on a couch>Noelle's behavior and how she tries to deny what's happening before freezingI know now that Toby saw this fan-interpretation and did what you said at
>>504753 to clear it up and it's relieving, but in that case, he could've portrayed it differently. He could've put more emphasis on Noelle not knowing how much of what she did was a dream and how much wasn't for example.
No. 504847
>>504813>flower animation>the act of forcing a thorn into the flesh>the casual setting with it happening on a couch>Noelle's behavior and how she tries to deny what's happening before freezingThis is what's fucking me up, it feels intentional and at the same time it's not supposed to be. Is it an error on Toby's part, an overreaction from the fans, or bait so the fans would theorize about it (then Toby quickly removes it and says that was never the intention)? The way Noelle moves closer to Kris feels intentionally framed as well. But I thought she liked Susie? It's very confusing. I still don't see it as SA but I would understand why some fans are interpreting it that way. It's the way it's framed and the symbolism of it all. But I also think it's not meant to be
literal, the most it can be taken as is an allegory.
>>504828>it's a completely nonsensical tonal shift, makes NO SENSE in the context of the snowgrave route (how the hell would raping make noelle stronger in battle???) This is what I believe too. It wouldn't make sense. Why would he make Noelle suffer
in that way?
No. 504880
>>504800Queen is truly the best.
What is it about Spamton that people are so obsesed sith, though? Since I don't get it I almost feel like people just got overattached to him because of the long wait between releases with nothing else to obsess over.
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I'm genuinely shocked at how many people read the snowgrave scene as specifically rape, and even more specifically as Kris raping Noelle. I watched it on youtube because I'm the type of player that couldn't bear to do Undertale geno, and it seems abundantly clear from the dialogue that Kris doesn't want to hurt her childhood friend and you are forcing your will on her. You can repeatedly back out of Snowgrave and let Kris say it was a prank again, which was what she did the night before, and she covers Noelle's mouth so she doesn't out the information to the player and kicks the soul in the trash bin repeatedly. She hates us for it. Thematically it strikes me very much as a continuation to UT geno where it is all about what you the player are willing to do, whatever your reasons may be. Apparently the flower was removed it but I interpreted it as a rose, the falling petals as a loss of both blood and gentleness, leaving only the thorns.
I also find it oddly sweet and tragic that Noelle cried from joy at recognizing kris' real voice. Kriselle esp. lesbian kriselle is very compelling to me, and it is clear from the ch.3 Zeldalike segments that Noelle and Kris are both used up, aka you're conducting them both for your own desires. In the normal route the code has a flag for when Noelle asks Kris why the mice keep scaring her, and you make her answer "because they like you". Kris and Noelle have baggage they can slowly sort through, but the weird route is the player hijacking that and destroying them.
On a more lightearted note kris looting Noelle's fridge and downing chocolate milk like it's hard whiskey made me kek
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>>504969What does it mean!?
The code on the guitar began with 12 so I'm guessing it's related to that No. 505019
>>505002It's
122 or
12/25 December/ 25th you don't see the las number
No. 505263
>>505260It really doesn’t outside of a couple jokes that are more poking fun at teenager moid behaviour. If it helps, it actually has some fantastic female character writing imo. As for the furry themes, toby’s not a furry and it shows.
The most annoying part is him pandering to queerios like with the MCs being theys and the occasional cringe joke, but they’re very easily ignorable for all the other compelling stuff. Also, mechanically they’re just fun to play, the combat has a lot of fun stuff and the level designs are creative. I will recommend that you avoid any mainstream fandom place though, they’re unfathomably retarded. But that’s true of most popular media anyway
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>>504639Spamton is himself just dollar store Mettaton. Seemingly every chapter has a Mettaton knockoff, it's getting old. Although I liked the bit where
the old TV is given to Mettaton, that was cute. No. 505274
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I'm surprised polyfags are so excited about the stuff with Rouxls in chapter three. It's such an obvious portrayal of why "poly" relationships are bad, and how one person is inevitably going to get kicked out so the remaining two people can be an actual couple. Supposedly that was Rouxl's intent all along, though maybe he's just coping lmao. Edit: forgot to spoiler, sorry.
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>>505268Without spoiling the game, I think I know what scene they're referring to as "rapey," (at least as it pertains to chapter four) and it's a reach. A character is forced to equip a weapon they don't want to equip, that's literally it.
Anyway, you don't have to have played Undertale to enjoy Deltarune, but it definitely helps contextualize some things, like the lore pertaining to souls and such. Deltarune takes place in an "alternate timeline" to the original, where there are many of the same characters, but their lives are different. Also, the major characters from Undertale have tertiary roles in Deltarune, and the major supporting characters in Deltarune are new ones (Suzie and Noelle weren't in Undertale at all, for instance). It is unclear whether Ralsei and Kris are actually the same people as their potential counterparts in Undertale (Asriel and Frisk respectively).
As far as the "furry" stuff goes, it's just because some of the monsters (Ralsei, Noelle, Berdly) look more like animals than others, though it's important to note that many of the characters are just literal monsters, like skeletons, robots, ghosts, etc. I don't even know what the hell Suzie is supposed to be, like I'm not sure whether she's a mammal or a reptile.
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im a susie thruther no matter who she gets paired with there's so many cute krusie moments at the start of chapter 4 thooo
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>>505486>halfway through Cuphead before ragequitting at the frogs in the casinoAckshually that's not halfway, it's one of the bossfights of the first world and there are 4 worlds (picrel is the full level selection map). But honestly scratch the Cuphead comparison, my stupid ass should've asked if
the roaring knight is harder than sans or Undyne in Undertale's genocide route since UT and DR are from the same series (sorta). I kinda hope so because my best reason for planning on buying DR is challenging bosses. I'm waiting for the game to be finished tho so I can play it all without having to take huge breaks in-between chapters.
>>505495Yes, her laugh sounds exactly like the sounds crocodiles and aligators make
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Any one else think it's a little funny that despite Toby's circle being composed of lefties who considered Spamton to be "scary" and "creepy" seemingly no one brought up what the rose thing would lead people to think?
No. 506048
>>506015? It's a common visual metaphor for rape in the arts in general. Unless you think all content addressing SA is porn I cannot understand how you came to this conclusion.
Toby failed to understand how something could be interpreted and you happened to be part of the minority that had never seen that symbolism before.
No. 506074
>>506043The scene is meant to make you feel troubled and sad, because it's psychological abuse. You spergs are angry about a perceived possibility that the scene was a "metaphor" for rape, and that somehow that makes Toby ideologically impure or something. He removed it to placate people, not because it was his artistic intent. Are you guys going to argue that the wilting rose in Beauty and the Beast is a rape metaphor, too? The flower dying symbolizes the goodness in her withering away as the player puts her on a villainous path reminiscent of her mother. It's the triumph of evil over good. And what about the rose Suzie eats right in front of Noelle shortly before? Is
that rose a rape metaphor?
Also how would a rape allegory even jibe with the established narrative? Like another anon already said,
>makes NO SENSE in the context of the snowgrave route (how the hell would raping make noelle stronger in battle???)The concept of Noelle being pressured into villainy, sacrificing her principals for the sake of being "stronger" works in the context of the story, because it's an established theme in both Deltarune and Undertale; you can increase your EXP/LV by killing enemies, or you can spare them. The Snowgrave route is meant to parallel what the player is doing to Kris in both routes by making them do things against their will. The player drag Noelle through these things because they
can and they want to see what happens, denying her agency. As far as I can tell, Kris is not as virtuous as the pacifist player nor as evil as the snowgrave player; they collude with the voice on the phone, but they also show kindness to Suzie of their own free will. Like Noelle, they are a neutral entity being manipulated by the player.
No. 506080
>>505812I think the scene is supposed to be about being manipulated and there are weird romantic undertones like Kris being made to say he sees Noelle as more than a friend and giving her a ring. The thorn ring scene has the player/possessed Kris grab her hands and slip the ring on her and the way it was presented made it seem like a weirdly tender moment. I think there's some commentary on self-shipping with characters and players forcing a narrative rather than going with what the story and author wants people to do. But thinking Noelle was literally raped in that scene is ridiculous. The rose is representative of the thorn ring, of petals wilting away in the frost, and of loss of innocence in general, not of being deflowered. Noelle in that scene is forced to confront the reality that the Dark World wasn't a dream. She killed her best friend because of her spinelessness and inability to say no, and her being unable to give a firm no and defend herself gets the thorn ring put on her again. Noelle will get stronger as a result of this, but it's presented as a bad thing because to make her stronger you had to manipulate her into it and drag her into confronting a situation she was trying not to confront.
What I found disturbing was the implications her mom wants Noelle to be with the player possessed Kris, saying YOU are welcome any time and the call saying Noelle is looking forward to going to the festival with Kris.
No. 506104
>>506099>it’s specifically supposed to be analogous to sexual assault in the context of snowgrave’s whole general domestic abuse subtextNo it isn't. You have no tangible proof to substantiate this.
>That’s why Toby removed itNo, he removed it because people complained and he didn't want this retarded discourse to dominate discussions of the game. If the rape metaphor was intended, he would've left it in. You guys see rape everywhere because you have some underaddressed personal baggage and have to turn everything into culture war bullshit. As I already explained, the scene is part of a larger theme of sacrificing goodness for power, and it makes a lot more sense when viewed that way over ZOMG RAEP METAPHOR! You retards did the same thing with Steven Universe. Not all violations of a character's agency are rape metaphors, because as it turns out, MANY types of trauma involve a loss of agency, not just rape.
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>>506529Jackenstein is really precious but I wish the skull on his chest didn't make it look like he has weird nipples. I like how the fight lightly references Youtube Poops.
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>>506074>>506104Except nobody is mad about it? Nor does anyone think that's literally what happened (same goes for the SU thing)? Abuse
victims related to the scene and saw symbolism in it that made perfect sense, and it made some anons itt sperg out because… actually I don't even know why and what their problem is kek
>>506529Honestly, I don't even have the game yet due to financial reasons and I don't find it that appealing compared to Undertale, but I want to buy it BADLY just for the sake of trying my luck against Jevil, Spamton Neo and the Roaring Knight. I bet the next 3 chapters will have even tougher bosses and I'm dying to know what they'll be like! The gameplay is very different from Undertale and leaves more room for strategies, and I wanna try some out. Shadow fountain deez nuts, I wanna fight strong monsters!
>theories and future of the franchiseI have no idea what the future will bring, but something that I keep thinking about in terms of theories is
sans' picture in Undertale. Nothing really hints at this, but I bet that sans in Deltarune is the same as sans in Undertale, and he's going to go to the Undertale universe at some point. It would explain why he "just showed up" in the underground one day and why he decided to befriend Toriel and protect Frisk for her later on. I don't know if Papyrus will show up in Deltarune, but he might only be in Undertale because of that theory where he was created in the lab or something, I forgot how that one theory goes. I don't believe in the Papyrus experiment theory but it's possible. Another thing I find interesting is how Shyren is normal in Deltarune. Like, she's just a little ball-shaped fish, whereas in Undertale she's amalgamated with another monster, and there used to be an official blog by Toby roleplaying as sans where he talked about fusion experiments. And since there's no lab in Deltarune, Shyren is just a "head"/round fish creature. Deltarune was conceptualized before Undertale so it would be easy for Toby to tie both together, parallel world or not idk though I'm just hyped for the secret bosses
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Imagine caring this much about how a random person refers to a fictional character lol
>>506558tifs are going to draw him in that shitty psuedo-bara art style and make the patches into weird titchop scars, aren't they
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Scratch the debunked rape allegory. Remember picrel? And notice how Noelle's weird route scenes involve the thorn ring? And how her entire design and family are Christmas-themed? Do you see where I'm getting at here?
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>>506854I getchu, Noelle's the Deltarune!
No. 506867
>>506854if the prophecy is correct she will be
sacrificing herself just like
jesus I think the girl in the prophecy is not Susie, I think it's Noelle. would elaborate but I'm lazy sorry
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>>505490i bought my official deltarune merch yesterday it was so fucking expensive but worth it
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>>506854KEK oh my god, I hope you're right. Deltarune having a gigantic Christ allegory would piss off the woke gendie fans so hard.
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>>506529massive sperg incoming
>What did you like about chapters 3&4?–How unpredictable it ended up being- like most of us presumed ch3 and ch4 would be tv and church themed respectively, but the stuff like the video game creepypasta segments and a ch3 knight reveal and Undyne getting dragged to hell before our very eyes and a ch4 Titan final boss were things I feel like few of us were expecting but ended up being very exciting nonetheless
–The look and feel of chapter 4 was neat and although the tv world wasn’t as grand as I had hoped the sort of stuffy and lonely
and kind of creepy atmosphere it had worked and felt purposeful
–Kris’ actual character getting more moments to shine and our increasingly antagonistic relationship with them.
–How happy Susie is playing the role of a hero of the prophecy (as far as she’s aware(?)) compared to how she felt about it in chapter 1 and how happy she is to have Kris and Ralsei as friends brings me so much joy and I love that she is straight up the main protagonist now.
–Tenna has really, really grown on me these past few days.
>Favorite story bits and character interactions?–I mentioned this before but I really found Tenna’s desperate but sincere attempts to impress us with his dancing and his games endearing
–The beginning of chapter 4 when you move around Noelle’s house as the soul was the best part of the chapter
–Susie’s story about the public piano (and Kris letting us say they will play more if susie joins them)
–the scene where Susie makes Ralsei cry
>Do you have any personal theories or thoughts about them? Any big theory you subscribe to?My immediate thought upon seeing the knight was that she was an amalgamation. The whole soulless kris phone call scene mentioning a “police sacrifice” makes me think Undyne was intended to be kidnapped to be made a part of the amalgamation (i’m assuming she has the same amount of determination within her as her Undertale counterpart and the knight and Kris were made aware of this by Gaster and considered her to be valuable) and that’s the reason kris slashed the tires to get her to come over. I have no idea what Kris’ goal is but I still like the idea that they sold their soul to gaster, i’m just too lazy to come up with a concrete reason why. I think the tradeoff was a gamble that Kris is starting to regret- with them letting us take control hoping to god we do the specific things that keep them on a specific track- that track leading to whatever reward they sold their soul for. Also, this is stupid and a massive stretch, but it would be interesting if the girl in the prophecy is December (the sword shown in the image looks like the knight’s, and the knight 100% is Dess/has Dess amalgamated to it) and the angel is still Asriel like he was in Undertale- idk maybe him being the angel has something to do with Dess’ disappearance and Ralsei’s existence and whatever Asgore is trying to do. It wouldn’t be the first time a character skyrockets in significance after only being an afterthought in previous chapters. Speaking of Noelle though, I don’t know where this idea would situate her because she seems like a more likely candidate for either the girl in the prophecy or the angel, I just wanted to throw it out there.
>What do you think will happen in the future? Both for the story and the franchise–I hope we have a major fight near the end that will involves titans themed after each dark world we visited, including the one we fought in chapter 4
–I thought it was weird that cryptic allusions to Gaster were less apparent in these chapters but hopefully it’s building up to something that could blow the knight reveal out of the water in chapter 5
>Optional: anything you didn't like or were disappointed by?–Chapter 3 was a huge missed opportunity to include the purple soul in some way
–The way they go about exposition dumping in chapter 3 specifically is so weird, like why was Ralsei’s monologue at the beginning portrayed with random sprites thrown together instead of the usual nice bronze illustrations
–The fact you get locked out of doing the secret stuff if you don’t get S-rank in the first gameshow round seriously Toby wtf
–As much as I like Tenna I do agree that had too many similarities with Mettaton and Spamton. His history with Spamton could have been implemented better rather than just thrown into random bits of dialogue- like visual evidence scattered about the tv world that shows how badly he fucked over Tenna and worsened his abandonment issues, and the fallout should have been over something more substantial. What we got just felt very unsatisfying. His bossfight was also underwhelming and another ripoff of spamton and mettaton (the red soul can just be shot as little bullets now? I know it’s slightly different but still) At least the Mettaton similarities led to him being Tenna’s new owner in chapter 4 but at that point I think it would have been more impactful if he stayed dead (yes, I like Tenna)
–I wish there was at least a bit more variety in the tv world environments- at least one other area with a different field theme would have been nice.
–Ramb and Elnino and Elnina were way underutilized, and all of the common ch3 enemies were forgettable
–Toriel had barely any purpose or presence in chapter 3
–Save points in the light world not being yellow
–Lost Girl being relegated to [default sad song]
–Noelle not being a party member in the chapter 4 dark world
–The Gerson stuff in chapter 4 was awesome but a huge missed opportunity to add more weight to Undyne’s literal kidnapping a few in game hours prior
–What was the Knight even doing in chapter 4 outside of the brief appearances at the beginning middle and end (and that phone call if it was her)
–It’s lame af that Berdly is still alive in the weird route
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The ralseixsusie ship took off after the new chapters and the same gendies on social media that called it homophobic and queerphobic or whatever are forcefully trooning one of them out to make it yuri (of course yuri specifically not yaoi) or otherwise qWeEr because they want to like it but can’t cope with them not fitting their retarded worldview, effectively spitting on the face of gnc that is otherwise beautifully written and integrated. I wish they killed themselves at the rates they claim to.
No. 507183
>>506854The christian god does not exist in deltarune as far as we know but the Angel does, and there’s already a lot of angel imagery associated with her like the snow angels the angel doll the wings in her wardrobe and people calling her angel in the weird route. Toby’s definitely drawing parallels and symbols from Christianity for ease of understanding tho, I’m pretty convinced the Angel is meant to be a figure that draws from Christ imagery and Noelle is the Angel.
I don’t think gendies are gonna seethe about it the way some other nonas are saying because a lot of gendies still have a fundamentally Christian mindset and draw shit like titchop jesus fanart kek.
No. 507277
>>506529It's a long shot but I kind of hope they do something the other human souls, if only because I think it could be a cool homage to Live a Live.
>>507182There's a BNF on tumblr who was know for drawing ralsusie that left social media a few years ago who came back for the update who really, really hates the fandom, and she happened to make a post about exactly that calling it pathetic and I was wondering who she was mad at lol. You should post some screenshots
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Wild theory, but since Kris has a save file at the start of the game I think he was in the Dark World before. He's trying to replicate the make up of before to bring Dess back.
For the pic rel hero make up. Kris was the same, Dess was the angel, Asriel was their Susie and the figure who gives out eggs is Ralsei. They're never in the same room. Also Ralsei definitely knows a lot more than he's letting on.
The Soul is needed to being Dess back. It's an otherworldly entity and Dess is beyond worlds like Gaster. Ralsei is playing along because in his words "Darkners serve Lightners". He wants to play along to keep a sort of balance where Darkners can exist for a bit but not enough to summon Titans.
Carol is the Roaring Knight to trigger fountains but also keep the Soul in check so it doesn't learn too much and serve it's function. Kris clearly doesn't like it but he's putting up with it to bring Dess back.
The Shadow Crystals are bits from the original gang's adventures broken up to stop a roaring. Grab them all and things go sideways at the end.
Asgore will be part 5's Lightner. Undyne and Alphys (unfortunately) will be part 6's Lightner. Asriel will come back to be chapter 7's antag and depending on your choices the Soul will either go rogue or cooperate.
Final thoughts: Gaster will never make a proper appearance. Papyrus won't appear either. The Weird Dog will be a mega boss. Undertale saves won't be important.
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>>507009>How happy Susie is playing the role of a hero of the prophecy (as far as she’s aware(?)) compared to how she felt about it in chapter 1 and how happy she is to have Kris and Ralsei as friends brings me so much joy and I love that she is straight up the main protagonist now. you are so freaking right I love susie so much
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>>507309Susie is the best character in Deltarune and I'm so happy she got so much attention in the latest chapters. I'm going to make a special moss plater when chapter 5 releases.
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>>507182That's so retarded, they're just pixelated monsters and neither of them are even stated to have canonical sexualities. We need to stop allowing children on social media.
No. 507351
>>507313>i feel like the very reluctant participant in a pretend tea party hosted by a child who is taking it weirdly seriouslyCouldn't have worded it better myself. It's why I don't really interact with the fandom outside of a small pocket of theory autists if I'm not anonymous since the demographics skews a little older. I ship pretty much every ship (minus all the polyshit combinations), but I hate reading retarded shipping takes, so I don't do much besides look at art
>>507182>the same gendies on social media that called it homophobic and queerphobic or whatever are forcefully trooning one of them out to make it yuri (of course yuri specifically not yaoi) or otherwise qWeErThat's so annoying. Suselle already exists and there's Kriselle & Krusie if you're not a fucking coward and interpret Kris as a girl. I liked how Ralsusie got more meat in chapters 3 and 4. I always liked the two together aesthetically as a GNC straight couple that didn't (completely) feel like gendie bait, but thought the actual text of the story didn't do much to support it
besides Asriel's "How to Draw Dragons" book/his Cyber World room if you subscribe to the theory that Ralsei is Asriel's dust combined with Kris's plastic horns like I do, but having physical attraction isn't a substitute for actual chemistry. Especially when Susie had better chemistry with basically everyone besides Ralsei by the end of chapter 2 imo. I liked how she genuinely didn't like Ralsei suggesting that Darkners should be treated as disposable while also implying it was important that they be able to hang out as a group/that she wasn't just happy to have a friend in Kris (and Lancer) alone.
I also thought it was sad when
Ralsei asked Kris to buy her an ice cream at the end of chapter 3 and say it was from him. Also thought it was spicy how one of the possible replies from Kris was "I'm saying it was from me". Of course, they could've been joking around, but it was a decidedly somber part of chapter 3 and Ralsei immediately capitulated instead of laughing like he typically does when Kris is purposefully being playful. Idk, I like all the ships and am a whore for drama so it's entirely possible I'm seeing things where there are none, but it really seems like we might get some friction within the group along those lines.
Currently drafting a weird route!Kriselle fanfic because no one enjoys their fucked up dynamic exactly the way I like (esp with Kris as a girl), have to be the change I want to see in the world etc etc fml No. 507363
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I'm the anon who wrote
>>506575 and it just clicked that there's a track in the OST called "the place where it rained". What if Undertale and Deltarune were happening at the same time? Also have a bebe Noelle
No. 507374
>>507351I never cared for ships but after chapter 3 + 4 I much prefer Kris or Ralsei x Susie than seeing her getting paired with Noelle. I don't know, the game makes it feel a bit forced, like it needs to happen on purpose
like the prophecy says it must I guess when they barely interact and have almost no chemistry together. Like it's cute I guess but the small moments Susie has with Ralsei and Kris feel more genuine.
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>>507277here you go
nonny quick compilation of people being retarded about this. i wasn't gonna spend over 3 minutes on it or expose myself to it any further but you can find even more of this shit very easily.
>>507351Lesbian kriselle is so fucking underrated. More women are themlets than moids and it fits with feeling conflicted about your ssa as a kid. I love the idea that kris and noelle had a baby crush on each other before whatever mysterious events damaged their relationship, and the normal route is the start of an arduous road to reconnect. Noelle
crying at recognizing kris' actual voice was so moving. She knows Kris better than anyone, even susie.I saw the development of ralsei and susie as being less romantic in the archetypal lovey dovey way and more in the more complicated way where two people just naturally bond and make each other better, he didn't get intimidated by her in chapter 1, and she was open to learning his magic and also was starting to put the idea of being his own person in his head in chapter 2.
I feel like these themes were reinforced a lot in 3 and 4 with stuff as subtle as her telling her to choose his own path because he has the controller, and repeatedly hammering it in that he is his own person. I feel like it's being set up that she is willing to defy the prophecy so he can exist in the Light World which feels super poignant. Also if you ask susie how she's doing when the ice cream happens rather than ralsei, susie will say that she doesn't care that the Dark World isn't real just to be with him. I love how they managed to navigate actual conflict, because it's so in stark contrast to idealized affection where people never fight. They fought and they managed to communicate well enough to resolve it. Their relationship just feels "more mature" in the way Kriselle does, if that makes sense. No. 507393
>>507391I didn't interpret the scene as them fucking but them having back and forth jokes since the sound effect was a rim shot, though I still think it's supposed to
evoke them fucking
No. 507429
>>507401nta, but I don't really get being that mad at Toriel. I doubt Toriel's ever been this drunk in front of Kris before, plus it seems like she regularly lets Kris fuck around the town for hours and hours on his own into the evening. From her perspective, there was just some bad weather for a couple of hours. Kris even has a cell phone and we have no indication they lost cell service during the storm. Kris also doesn't seem to really give a shit about church in general, so I also don't buy him skipping out on meeting her during/after choir practice being that farfetched. She really doesn't any reason to think that Kris was worried about her. Not saying that it's
good that she was that drunk in front of Kris, but she's so straight-laced that I believe it's a one-time deal that had terrible timing due to the Dark World shit. I might be biased though because I always felt that Toriel came off as a very idealized mother, to the point that one flaw she's allowed to have is that she's too protective of her children. It's just nice to see her doing her own thing for once, to the point that she has a very sloppy, regrettable moment in front of Kris and his friend kek
>>507421Is this bait? This feels like bait. I don't even buy the Sans/Toriel thing being that evocative of fucking, but I also see where others are coming from when they talk about that scene. Take a chill pill
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>>507402You might be onto smth, but tbh I don't need this video to view Toriel as worse than people think.
>nooo Asgore leave the humans alone! don't break the barrier!>yes our kind will grow up never seeing the sky and the humans are responsible for it but muh heckin mercyrino!>don't break the barrier! anyways I'm gonna leave you and our entire kingdom behind to go live in the ruins>and now I will force this random human who fell down here to be my child and never tell her the truth>human, did I mention my ex husband is an evil bloodthirsty murderer? trust me bro >oh shit, the human went out and she killed everybody but me? i should take my chance and go out there to take back my crown…>what was that? to protect them from the next murderous human and avoid a potential new massacre?>lmao of course not>I'm forcing everyone to be extra pacifist towards humans now!>wdym my parallel dimension clone is getting shitfaced with a strange man in front of the kids?>>507421Anon, sans was literally making "befriending your mom" jokes since chapter 1. So yes, it is a PEGI 7 version of a "sans fucked your mom" joke. Like
>>507432 says.
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I think the context clues are clearly saying Kris is into Susie but I like Kriselle because I've always had an interest in stories with possession or body swaps and a twisted romance with a force possessing someone and making them pursue a destructive path and entangling someone else in it makes for an interesting story.
>>507384Even if they're not having sex it's still awful to see your mom hanging out with some new guy and getting wasted with him after you've just been through shit. Kris' life sucks.
No. 507479
>>507429>She really doesn't any reason to think that Kris was worried about her. I said that Susie was worried, not Kris. I don't know if Kris cares that much about Toriel or not but coming home after defeating a titan to your only stable parental figure drunk on the floor and not being able to sleep because of the noise must feel very shitty for an emotionally unstable high schooler. Toriel wouldn't know of course, but I also don't buy the "perfect mother" image that she's trying to project when it looks like she mostly caters to Asriel, even if she's not out right
bad with Kris. What I'm saying is, it may look okay on Toriel's eyes but it definitely doesn't feel good to see it happening to Kris.
>It's just nice to see her doing her own thing for once, to the point that she has a very sloppy, regrettable moment in front of Kris and his friend kekStory wise I agree with that, actually. I like her seeing her character being fleshed out beyond "the good mother".
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who's your least favorite deltarune/undertale character?
No. 507500
>>507351>I don't really interact with the fandomUndertale shippers are an extra special kind of insane. Remember that time a fan baked needles in cupcakes and gave them to a fan artist over a ship they drew?
>>507391I feel like Toby did this intentionally to troll players. He did a similar thing with the
Mike boss fight for theory schizos. I felt seen by the latter though kek.
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>>507484Spamton. Overrated and annoying, no idea why this one became a Tumblr sexyman. The song that plays during his fight is his only redeeming quality.
No. 507559
>>507484I wouldn't say Alphys was my
least favourite, I like that she's a rare genuinely awkward female character, but her quirky weeb thing got old fast.
Loved Undertale Yellow though.>>507555Do monsters even have biological functions? I know they eat food but I don't think we see a single toilet in Undertale kek
No. 507571
>>507518Agreed. He looked like a cute little owl or spiderling.
>>507484Probably Alphys. I found her schtick more annoying than funny or charming. Mad Mad Mew is also up there for tranny-pandering bullshit (I found the angry Dummy funny before that).
No. 507573
to clarify, I don't hate sans I simply don't get the hype kek
>>507542there was an over exposure of sans for a few years on the internet for sure
No. 507578
>>507429>I doubt Toriel's ever been this drunk in front of Kris before,There's some dialogue by Rudy in the hospital that hints towards Toriel's college drinking problems, I don't know if she continued drinking after marrying Asgore but it's worth mentioning
>>507432Saw a comment on youtube mention that if it wasn't for us knowing Sans from UT we would probably find him less likeable because the way he treats Kris isn't always the best, I think this is intentionally done, I wonder how will Sans get integrated into the story in future chapters
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>>507484I have that exact sans plush I hate So Sorry,it’s been years but I have such a loathing towards this pathetic creature.I hate his “wahh I’m so embwarassed” pose it makes me want to tear him limb from limb.
No. 507778
>>507776Never really looked into him myself, but I also assume he's some flavor of fucked up because he's one of the few people who publicly associates with purplekecleon/glitchedpuppet in current year. You can read about her on the other farms, but the highlights are her being a dogfucker and calling a child
victim of her pedophile husband a cum dumpster kek…
No. 507781
>>507708>She hates him this much already and doesn't even know the worst part oh boy
>>507776>>507778it wasn't just any fursona, it was a sona that he made for fat fetish furry porn that he paid obscene amounts of money (literally the most out of every donator to the kickstarter) to be put in the game. He got outed as an admin of a zoophilia discord server with children in it recently
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Speaking about the kickstarter will Muffet ever come back?
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I love the cute pumpkin guy…
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slowly replaying deltarune. i still feel bad for shipping this kek, but i love hetships that aren't too typical. i like that toby just wrote a tough bully archetype and your stereotypical soft healer girlie but flipped the genders, it feels really fresh.
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thoughts on the "ralsei is a plushie" theory? could it be a plushie and a headband at the same time?
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>>508647Darkners have only ever been one object
besides Hammer of Justice being Gerson's dust on his hammer. Tho I guess I don't find the idea that he's a plushie with a headband on
with Asriel's dust on top bad, but I doubt it just because a plushie has never been brought up in the Light World so far when the headband's come up at least twice. I feel like the refrigerator at the beginning of chapter 4 only mentioning Ralsei's resemblance to Asriel and the heandband kinda cinches it (for me at least). Didn't know about the Earthbound reference though, I could buy that he's a plushie/plushie adjacent in the dark world. The headband was apparently a comfort item for Kris, and plushies are common comfort items for children, so I can see Ralsei's Dark World form taking after one because of that.
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>>508647I assumed the headband was that bug we had to take pictures of in board 2, which I suppose is pretty anticlimactic. I thought it would be interesting for it to have to do with Ralsei but honestly I don't know how that or him being a plushie would relate to him being all knowing of the prophecy and him being able to travel between dark worlds spread across hometown
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Started playing DR because of this thread and fitgirl and I'm enjoying it quite a lot. I've played most of the games that inspired UT and DR but know fuck all about either so it's been a really interesting experience. I can't believe I slept on this just because of the rancid fandom.
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>>508647I'm going to go with a more mundane idea. There's a green crayon that's missing outside Kris' room in a cupboard as far back as chapter 1. Kris carries that crayon with him into worlds. Because it's brought into worlds and not created alongside the world he doesn't turn to stone after a while like Lancer. Same as Kris pencil/sword and Susie's brush/axe.
Asriel has some art for a game on his computer so it might be his crayon so that's why it looks like him.
No. 510080
>>509877I honestly think this is what’s being set up. We have already seen Toby poke fun at his fandom and show bias for the JP fandom over the western one where none of this is as much of a problem. Please, Toby, please have the balls to pull it off. It would be so much more narratively satisfying to the theme of Susie never doing what she’s expected to do, but what she wants.
Gerson even asks HER how she’d make her own story end, and he fights her because he knows she has the hardest will to write her own story and defy the prophecy. Like even past the cuteness of an unconventional het pair or that it’s cool they’re both unapologetically gnc, there is this constantly hammered message of Susie teaching Ralsei to be his own person and Ralsei teaching Susie to be more emotionally open and vulnerable,
it’s so blunt that in the castle town tea party they say they’re rubbing off on and appreciating each other, and they’re proud of the other for how they’ve changed. Why go through the trouble to set that up so consistently not to follow up on it? I want to believe.