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No. 1764

Lesbian Media is always hard to find and often overshadowed in favor of BL romances.

The most common recommendations are always mediocre, with barely there representation or shown from the male-gaze.
So post your recs here!

Anything goes from Movies, to Tv Shows, to Books, to Mangas as long as it features two women in love.

No. 1765

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I really love Girlfriends by Morinaga Milk! I would recommend it to anyone looking for a sweet, girlish and warm lesbian love story.
It's one of the few schoolgirls in love stories written by woman for women.

Shame that girls love got hijacked by men and so many people think that Madoka is shoujo ai or something lol.

No. 1766

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Tamen de Gushi/Their Story, absolutely. It's wholesome and nice and everyone should read it.

No. 1767

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One if my favorite movies ever is Bare. It stars Dianna Argon and Paz de la Huerta.

It only has a 5/10 rating on imdb so I guess alot of people don't think it's that good. But I really related to Dianna's character who seems really lost and let's everyone around her live her life.

The movie is a romance but I feel like it's more about growing and learning about who you are and how to live for yourself, and the romance in it is how Dianna's character is taught those things

No. 1768


Anyone got any lesbian taboo suggestions? Seriously the LGBT section on Netflix is dire!!

No. 1769

Milk Morinaga's stuff is so disgusting and fetishizing that I'm still a firm believer in that she's actually male.

No. 1770

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The Kase-san series is adorable, can't wait for the anime. One of the few yuri that have managed to convince me the author isn't trying to fetish lesbians

No. 1771

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I've heard good things about My Lesbian Experience With Loneliness.
Has anyone read it?

Literally every yuri manga/anime I can remember is either bland or fetishizing.

No. 1772

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Some lesser-known manga about lesbians that I remember enjoying (but haven't re-read in a long while, so forgive me if something's not that good)

Love My Life by Yamaji Ebine
Indigo Blue by Yamaji Ebine
Free Soul by Yamaji Ebine

Pieta by Haruno Nanae

Water by Nananan Kiriko
Blue by Nananan Kiriko

Cotton by Konno Kita

All of these have more "mature" and western art styles thought, so if you can't get over your manga looking a bit ugly, I can't recommend those to you.

No. 1773

I'm pretty sure the author is a woman, that always helps. Kase-san is lovely, every yuri fan should read it!
This made me cry a lot, I recommend it. It's an autobiography in case you didn't know.

No. 1774

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I forgot one of my favourites, 12 days by June Kim.
It has Bury Your Gays pretty hard, but it meant a lot to me in my formative years and helped me deal with a lot of grief.

No. 1775

Shimanami Tasogare: it got pretty much everything in it and it's so good. don't be discouraged by the narrator as it starts with a young boy finding out he's gay, but then he meets other lgbt ppl in the mountains near his home and well LESBIANS! and i love them so much. it's without doubt worth a try! i have read it so many times it never leaves me + the art is stunning and how it shows different generations of gay ppl warms my heart.

No. 1776

What a coincidence, I just started reading it yesterday! Not a fan of the moe artstyle, but the story is cute enough (aside from the protagonist being all "B-But we're both girls" that gets on my nerves)

No. 1777

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Honestly the only lesbian media that I'm willing to look at has to be created by women. From what I've seen, anything created by a man is either bland or super fetishy

Idk what kind of suggestion you're looking for exactly but I really like The Firefly on Netflix. It's a Spanish flim so you might need subtitles.
It's a super sweet film tho, and deals with grife, healing, and love. I highly recommend it

No. 1778

>anything created by a man is either bland or super fetishy
This. I hate how "Blue is the warmest color" is now the most popular lesbian movie, it's absolute shit, boring and the two actresses were even molested by the director. I don't understand the lesbian and bi girls creaming themselves at "how good it is", it's… not

No. 1779

the handmaiden was amazing, can highly recommend that movie.

No. 1780

the original graphic novel is really good though and does not feature the graphic, gratuitious sex scenes.
it does have bury your gays though, its the entire premise as the protagonist is reminiscing about her dead love

No. 1781

>the two actresses were even molested by the director.
Whats the tea on this?

No. 1782

>lush color and atmosphere
>beautiful period dresses
>an actual plot for the romance to build off of
>happy ending
Even though it’s got a male director, I’m pleased the only people on set for the sex scenes were women.

No. 1783


"During the script writing stage, Director Park and his female co-writer Seo-kyeong Jeong often sought the advice of one of Chung's best friends, who was a queer woman, for advice on the sensibilities of queer women."

the movie have been attacked by idiots who claimed it was reinforcing the male gaze when the whole movie is about how men and the male gaze destroy women and their sexuality + their fetish for lesbians. i have a lot of respect for park

No. 1784

I've read it and My Solo Exchange Diary (sort of a sequel). It's very well done. Emotional, raw, etc. It's a lot about trying to find your own happiness. I really recommend it.

No. 1785

There's already a yuri thread.

No. 1786

Several, in fact.

No. 1787

Highly seconding this and following with Magan&Danai, a very cute chines(? manwha about an artist and her wife

No. 1788

Also obviously Steven Universe and Adventure Time where they pulled out an absolute madman move and made PB and Marceline kiss at the very end

No. 1789

I remember watching the L word and not understanding a single word, I was just a spanish speaking kid absolutely thirsty for any lesbian representation.. man the memories.
I wanted to be Shane so bad lmao

Anyways does anybody knows where can I watch it again? don't tell me netflix, because I already checked and the netflix from my country doesn't have the L word

No. 1790

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It's drawn by a guy, but it hits all the right chords for me. It's got nice stories ranging from slowburn cute developments to full-on intense erotica (not really that explicit except for a tiddy or two). Translation is like full 6 volumes behind and that makes me mad, though.

No. 1791

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A little cringy sometimes, but still nice and entertaining to watch.

No. 1792

Yeah, was he at least jailed? that's disgusting

Lesbian media made by men is ALWAYS trash and i'd never recommend it.

No. 1793

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i really like Aoi Hana/Sweet Blue Flowers. its got some kinda weird parts but its really sweet. Dont watch the anime tho, its shit

No. 1794

I can't stand that movie. I decided to try to give it a watch after hearing other lesbian women raving over it, couldn't even finish it because it was so boring and "male gaze".

No. 1795

I haven't met any lesbian who actually likes that movie. Everyone says it's fake as shit and made for men.

No. 1796

Has anybody read any of the books written by Sarah Waters. She's know for writing lesbian romances, typically historical romances.
I've personally never read any of her books but I do have one, I just haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

No. 1797

is anyone else so disgusted by orange is the new black? grosses me out to see radfems talk it up and watch it. the porny/sex scenes are so obviously intended for a male audience and are so unnecessary to the storyline/are just so obviously porny, it grosses me the fuck out

No. 1798

totally agree anon. i had to stop watching b/c the show was so obviously pandering

No. 1799

The sex scenes were unnecessary graphic and porny but thankfully they stop doing that after the first couple seasons they stopped making them so graphic and stopped having so many (except the disgusting sex scenes with Caputo)

I heard Wentworth is a much better show if you're looking for a women's prison drama that features LGB women. It's also on Netflix, I have watch so I can't really say if it's worth checking out

No. 1800

have read fingersmith and the paying guests. i personally liked fingersmith better, the paying guests felt like it had pacing issues. both were very nice tho, the women actually felt like humans vs how women are usually written. i hope to read some other books of her soon!

No. 1801

Tipping the velvet: A fun read, beware that the main character prostitutes herself to men at one low point. Gross. Otherwise good.
Fingersmith: Good, I prefer the movie though.
Affinity:Great if you want to feel suicidal depression like the main character.
The Paying Guests: Couldn't finish., that's how boring it was.

No. 1802

The author is a man (you can also tell by how he draws breasts, lol), there was also a controversy because he's the author of a manga where a 30 year old guy starts a relationship with a middle schooler.
Kase-san is eh, I did find it kinda fetish-y but again, the author is a male so it's to be expected

No. 1803

nta but i thought the author was a woman as well. it's not as if other female mangaka don't also write disgusting lolicon shit (like the author of kodomo no jikan).

No. 1804

Is there any good yuri manga with actual adults? I can't stand the big-eye school girl stuff.

No. 1805

Iirc Pulse, What does the fox say and Accept my fist of love. Haven't read them though so idk if they're any good.

No. 1806

Check recs in >>1772, all Ebine Yamaji works are about adult women
Same with My lesbian experience…>>294185 and My Solo Exchange diary to
Pieta and Blue from what I remember are about high school students but those are very serious takes, so the heroines might have been 20 y/o as well. I would give them a chance as they do not resemble the usual yuri moe schoolgirls.

Gunjo (haven't read it).

No. 1807

No. 1808

Thank you.
I just started reading Shimanami Tasogare which has an adult lesbian couple and it's good so far (main character is a boy struggling with his sexuality.)

No. 1809

For those who are recommending Mangas, do y'all read them online (and if so what sites), or do you find then at libraries/buy them?

No. 1810

I find them on https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?act=genresearch&genre=Yuri then I download them at https://manga.madokami.al/ If you don't like downloading you can read them online at mangadex.org I highly prefer using specialized manga apps to read so I never read online and prefer downloading.

No. 1811

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I enjoyed this film alot.

No. 1812

I liked Fingersmith, which it is based on, more.
2 edgy 4 me with the violent ending scenes and too weird with the use of the bells in the final scene…not sexy.

No. 1813

I hated the unrealistic sex parts, too, but even ignoring the beautiful cinematography and visuals, I prefer The Handmaiden for its third act plot over The Fingersmith, although it sacrifices dimension to the adoptive/thief family.
The entire job-within-a-job switched at birth thing felt unnecessary and took more away from the girls' relationship than it added. Then the girls not working together to outwit their antagonists dampened my overall enjoyment. Maybe I'd prefer the book more if I had read it prior to watching the movie. Both are great companions to each other, though.

But whole erotica writing ending was cute as fuck, and should've been the ending of the movie instead of the weird bell thing.

No. 1814


NTA but I recommend mangapark website for reading online, cause you can display the whole chapter and just scroll

No. 1815


Hiromi Takashima? She's a woman, though. Here's her blog where she said she started crying tears of joy upon seeing her manga made anime.

I was sort of on the same boat on the "Art-style determines gender" but I'm read on some articles on female mangaka and they've been said that a good portion, if not most, of the arts made by Japanese women can be found indistinguishable from their male counterparts. It's just that they also can have the cutesy, flowery art as well as the normal art you'd expect men to draw.

Would you have guessed that Full-Metal Alchemist was drawn by a woman? The style looks very similar to Yu Yu Hakoshu and Hunter X Hunter.

No. 1816

I'm straight as fuck so im not the target demographic but I'm loving this so much.

No. 1817

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if she is a woman then why is her profile pic of a guy with beard hair on his face… Unless it's a character from the vaguely pedo manga?

No. 1818

it is, it's the main character guy. i'm telling you guys that female mangaka aren't somehow incapable of gross fetish shit. kodomo no jikan is a good example, so is chobits. if a team of 5 women can all agree on making weird shit like chobits, don't count women out for other creepy shit just because men are mostly doing it. i've found a lot of creepy stuff is by women.

No. 1819

As I can't read moonspeak, can you point me toward the proof in the post that this is a female author? Google is not very helpful - are there female pronouns or is this about the weird sentence about beautiful face?

Agree that art style =/= gender but you can tell if an artist makes retarded anatomy mistakes due to only seeing boobs or dicks in hentai or yaoi…
Haven't read the manga in question so cannot say anything on the topic of badly drawn breasts but anyway the art style point is irrelevant to the discussion of basic anatomy mistakes due to the author having no experience with body part in question.

Not arguing against women being capable of writing creepy manga.

No. 1820



The first page has the author's character in there, and the hairstyle is a feminine one among middle-age Japanese women, which is a majority of female mangaka. Women can have a little bit of hair on their face, obviously. I'm sure you already knew that. If it's a male larping, why would he give his female avatar facial hair if he intends to make us think he's a woman?

But I think you're mind is already closed on this issue, that it has to be a male because of anatomy mistakes. If you truly cannot be convinced then that's your problem.

No. 1821

No. 1822

I doubt a female mangaka would draw herself with hirsutism hair or her face, but as it's not her, that's irrelevant…

Saw the pic you linked and I am rather surprised if she draws herself with face hair, but maybe she's a badass grandma who fucks the system.

Seen post on crunchyroll refer to her as her so that plus her rather feminine name confirms to me that she is female despite potential creepyness and possible bad anatomy in her manga.

I just did not find your argument about typical female vs male styles helpful to the discussion, but I do agree that you were right about the gender of the mangaka

No. 1823

samefag but here is from yahoo answers she wrote bl under a pen name.


and not to be annoying but the creepy manga isn't creepy in the ways you guys think, it's more like lolita with a socially awkward idiot and a really sweet girl getting into otaku related misunderstandings. i know i mentioned kodomo no jikan before, but that is some creepy gross fetish shit. i'm glad it got dumped by the localizer.

No. 1824


Anon, can you not even entertain the idea that female mangaka can make terrible anatomy mistakes, even on female bodies? Should every woman have to make their female characters structurally perfect or they're actually a male in disguise?

As I've said before, some of the mangaka ladies can emulate styles indistinguishable from male artists. Surely you're not suggesting a style can immediately and distinctly point out the artist's gender?

No. 1825

>tfw i draw animu and i gravitated towards drawing cutesy h-game style girls immediately.

i think there are some chances she's into anime girls a lot so she's going to draw them more uh, aesthetic rather than realistic. she's also a bit pandery, which is fine, but it just is so bizarre that people seem to think that women only draw one specific style.

No. 1826

Nah, if her work is pandery/fetishy, I can see her drawing boobs (and characters) in an unrealistic way to appeal more to a certain demographic.

I am not surprised anons assumed she's male though for that reason.

No. 1827


Correct, and I won't fault people for having this line of thought.

But there's a line between "Probably a male artist, but could be a woman drawing for a specific audience"
and "Boobs aren't sagging on a certain angle and some fan service, artist is unequivocally a man"

No. 1828

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The Girl King is a good movie. It's a biopic about a Swedish Queen. It has romance but due to the time period it doesn't really get a happy ending, but for anybody interested in historical lesbians it definitely worth checking out

No. 1829

>to appeal more to a certain demographic.
Or, you know, she just likes it. Other women can like things you don't like you know.

No. 1830

Yes cause this is how manga industry works anon.
Of course she might like her work but don't pretend making a manga about moe high school lesbians is all about following a road to artistic fullfilment.
Maybe she likes her work, doesn't change the fact the manga has to bring in profit.

Stop being butthurt and making this about me, idgaf about Kase-san and was going off what other anons said.

No. 1831

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carol is also a good historical lesbian movie imo

No. 1832

nta, but kind of. she used to write BL and doujin stuff. only some of her stuff became mainstream published. a lot of japanese artists do infact do things they like, even if that's fetishy shit.

No. 1833

How do you feel about Citrus? It got a lot of praise but I personally hated it.

No. 1834

Couldn't get past the first episode.

No. 1835

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Thought id recomend this to you guys,its quite the watch
"19th century rural Vietnam, fourteen-year-old May is ready to become the third wife of a wealthy landowner. Little did she know that her hidden desires will take her by surprise and force her to make a choice between living in safety and being free."

No. 1836

Watched one episode and it got most things I hate about anime like huge eyes, school girls, squeeky voices etc

No. 1837

Thank you for recommending this. I read it all in one sitting and loved it so much. The art style is nice and the characters are quite likeable.

I also read this in one sitting from the recommendations here and wow… it's extremely depressing and relatable. I can't safely say I'd recommend it due to how depressing it is. It leaves me speechless basically and gives you a lot to think about.

I used a couple different manga sites while reading these last night and I definitely prefer mangapark. It also seems to have fewer broken links and problems like that than some other manga sites.

I don't know if you're still around anon but I use a few sites to watch stuff. tvmuse.com, www1.two-movies.name I can vouch for being pretty good. Use adblock and stuff though for sure

No. 1838

This was why the thread was locked in the first place. I don't see why we need so many threads with the same topic. like, just neco an old one.

No. 1839


No. 1840

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Fei Wong from Digimon Cyber Sleuth is a lesbian.

No. 1841

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Anyone else watching Wynonna Earp?
While I appreciate that we have the lesbian couple WayHaught, I wish Wynonna was the one who wasn't straight.
She is so hot.

No. 1842

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Once Upon a Time has three lesbian romances (spoilers, including for the last season):
Aurora and Mulan: actually Mulan is in love on Aurora but it's not from both sides. It was at the beginning of the show so it's only heavily implied
Red Riding Hood and Dorothy
Alice and Robin Hood (female Robin): they made a bigger storyline about this one

What I like about it is how casual they are about it, in the show it's part of daily life and not seen as weird, as it should be.

No. 1843

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i've been on a josei kick lately and i've been enjoying erica sakurazawa's works. she has a really beautiful and minimalist style as well.

also if anyone has recommendations similar to her work, i would love to read them

No. 1844

I'm a bit surprised, considering I stopped watching around the time the mulan/aurora thing started then got killed right quick. I guess they brought it back due to the backlash.

I don't get the hate for OitNB. So some of the sex scenes are bit porn-y, and? Sometimes sex is like that, it's not always artsy and meaningful and I like that. It's a dramedy, what do you expect.

No. 1845

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I'm a straight girl, so I don't know if my opinion matters but I quite enjoyed Hana and Hina After School.

No. 1846


I think she’s just an autistic Japanese lesbian. The girls in Girl Friends really felt like they were written by a female who actually did have a female adolescence.

No. 1847

I mean do you guys understand how japan is? It's basically american 1950s still, most women aren't even on a similar brain wave as we are. They don't even have a somewhat similar girlhood as we do.

No. 1848

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Reviving the thread (inb4 ban, it's not necro if the last post was only 4 months ago and what I'm writing is in topic) because so far the only lesbian manga I truly enjoyed and found adorable was Their Story, but I might have found something similar.
I've started reading it yesterday so I don't know if it gets weird at some point or something, but "A kiss and a white lily" seems really cute and lighthearted.
There's also "Boyish girlfriend", a recently started short comic that's pretty cute.
Ultimately, I tried to watch "Bloom into you" but DNF, I found it boring.

No. 1849

Honestly it more plays into the author's journey to cope with life after being a depressed NEET for 18 something years. Touches briefly on sexuality but I'd still recommend it and My Solo Exchange Diary 1+2.

No. 10688

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Happy Sugar Life

One is a teen, the other a child, no ecchi. It's pretty generic but it's gay

No. 10693

>One is a teen, the other a child

Anon what.

No. 10711

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the fuck

No. 12736

anon… one is a yendere that is in love wint a chaild
(age 5 or 9 as sayd by>>10711) please is not cute get some fucking help and we can she the chaild get undress

No. 12738

If it makes anons feel any better, the "love" is pure and non-sexual, more familial than anything… Obviously problematic in the overt yandere aspect but ya know, I like it edgy sometimes.

No. 12798

…then why would you post it in the "lesbian media" thread? that implies something romantic or sexual.

No. 12849

yeah, the only merit this story has is as a horror/thriller. certainly not what i'd recommend to someone looking for lesbian media

No. 13016

this, fuck off with that shit.
it was literally the worst most contrive bullshit i ever read.

No. 13025

I absolutely love lesbian pop music, I wish there was more of it.
King Princess is the love of my life. Hayley Kiyoko and Zolita are really good too.

No. 13146

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don't fucking lie to these people.

No. 13217

I remember reading about a French movie that took place in the 1800s in Paris (?) and was about the romance between a white and black woman. I wanted to watch it but couldn't find it. Does it sound familiar to anyone?

No. 28866

Showing at this year's LGBT film festival in San Francisco.


Vita & Virginia

Sensational star turns by Elizabeth Debicki (Widows) as Virginia Woolf and Gemma Arterton (Quantum of Solace) as Vita Sackville-West bring to dazzling life one of the great lesbian love affairs of the 20th century in this erotic blend of literary biography and romantic intrigue that had audiences at the Toronto Film Festival raving.

Already a successful popular novelist herself, Vita wants desperately to associate herself with the prestigious Woolf, but pursuing the introverted writer becomes heated and personal once she spies Virginia's sinuous dancing at a party. It is a clash of opposing worlds and personalities: the lives of Woolf's bohemian clique chafe against Sackville-West's upper-crust milieu, with no one more horrified than Vita's stern, disapproving mother, played with aplomb by Isabella Rossellini.

For Virginia, the relationship liberates her sexuality and sparks a surge of creativity, as her androgynous new lover becomes the muse for one of her masterworks, Orlando. The writers' love letters, read directly to the camera, reveal the profound nature of this unique, passionate coupling: an intense affair that is as much of the mind as the body.

No. 28868

Epic Regency lesbian Anne Lister is the main character of this new HBO show. Anyone else watching it?

No. 28871

I want to watch this one. Plus, Debicki is my waifu. What a majestic woman

No. 29064

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this reply's probably real late but anon if you're reading this, perhaps you're thinking of "Mystère à la Tour Eiffel"? It's by Léa Fazer and came out in 2015.

No. 29073

Speaking of period dramas, a fan video of scenes from Tipping the Velvet.

No. 29089


I can't hear "In a Manner of Speaking" without being reminded of Sugar Rush.

No. 29095

Thank you so much! I found english subtitles for it too!
Good movie, more of a murder mystery but also had romance.

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No. 51936

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I'm re-watching L word and it's so nostalgic because this series was so important to baby lesbian me.

Shane was everyone's favourite but I never thought she was the hottest one. Every butch had that 'Shane haircut'. Even my then gf had it lol.

They are rebooting the show with Tumblr-tier new generation with nonbinary bullshit. I'm positive it's going to ruin everything that is dear for me but I still have to see HOW they are going to ruin it

No. 51945

>they are rebooting the show

fuck this gay earth. It was bad enough Max was made into a tr00n in the actual show. (even though they seemed to make fun of her.)

everything feminine and actual lesbian about it will be ruined because we cant have actual lesbian media anymore. i hate this shit.

No. 51947

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I thought Shane's girlfriend Carmen was one of the most beautiful women i've ever seen.

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