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This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse, particularly that which has a twitter or tumblr flavour to it.
Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping> Ao3 Censorship and TOS> Sapphic Underrepresentation in Fandom> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads> Whitewashing vs Blackwashing> ‘[Insert Sexuality]-Coded’ Characters> Sapphic vs Fujo Misogyny AccusationsPrevious thread
>>1800721 No. 1834957
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No. 1835001
>>1834957The first part is true though I don't care about the tranny part. Most "
toxic yuri enjoyers" are doing it as performative larp and they don't read actual original GL like Gunjou/KitaKimi/etc. If you ask them to name any they'll just give you ships like MadoHomu, PealRose and TogaChako. You'll even see some of them complain that certain ships are too
toxic so there's that.
No. 1835035
>>1834957Why do trannies always act like they're the only ones with "superior" taste unlike the dumb tastelet foids especially when it comes to anything that is centered around women. I love how the only reference for fake
toxic yuri is the one written by the tranny. I bet his real
toxic yuri is just kawaii schoolgirl yanderes written by moids. Men really think they're intellectuals for being rapeapes who are unable to coom when women are in control and aren't being dominated in one way or another and are unable to comprehend why women who are generally empathetic towards other women may not like consuming rape/abuse. You never see them talking about
toxic yuri from a female perspective either since it's not the average moid gaze tortureporn with a yuri coat of paint.
>>1835001>You'll even see some of them complain that certain ships are too toxickek it's so funny to see the "
toxic yuri" enjoyers complain when the ship is actually
toxic. Like what do they think the word
toxic means? Arguing a few times or enemy to lovers? It's just sheeple trying to be in with the fandom meme of the month and the larping will stop once the next meme takes on.
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the tiktokfication of media analysis.
No. 1835124
>>1834957It's
toxic Yuri not fetish Yuri
No. 1835210
>>1835001Isn't Catra/Adora super popular and that's a ship that's been criticized as "
toxic" even before this
toxic yuri meme came out
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i guess i hallucinated the listo/carrd/general socmed bio cringe thread. either way, the autism over weeb power levels on tracking websites like MAL or anilist is off the chart, kek. picrel, this creature's totally non-mainstream very highbrow taste consists of idols, lolis, coomer harem shit and cute girls doing cute stuff.
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>>1828980>>1829043I think it's due to the fact that modern game developers and creators, in general, don't have a great pool of inspiration, despite the pervasiveness of the past male developers. King still came out as a decent character because she was inspired by a genuine badass woman who played an over-the-top character. A lot of games and anime of the time were inspired by action, martial arts films, and even pro-wrestling. But nowadays, as Miyazaki said, contemporary media is shit because creators simply produce diluted imitations of what's already popular, rather than drawing inspiration from life experiences or genuinely compelling fiction and media.
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>>1835486This is partially what I'm talking about, you (along with so many modern creators and fan-fic writers) care more about an aesthetic rather than a character. The real Jodi doesn't exist anymore; she's part of this vague aesthetic that includes so many things that it becomes meaningless, just like
>>1835106 No. 1835592
>>1835355>>1835374yea sorry to derail, peyton boyd from altus, oklahoma. theres not much on her other than the odd article and her booking on the jackson county's office website and her art socials are private now
>>1835353i didnt know her personally but was close with people she was good friends with, apparently she always talked about how she didn't want a little boy otherwise she'd touch him. she was chill but like your stereotypical "grew up on 4chan" kind of character, so i didnt think she was that serious until i saw her more explicit art
No. 1835602
>>1835598https://www.jacksoncountyso.com/inmate.php?BookingID=37094 - jacksoncounty booking
https://www.kswo.com/2023/11/15/altus-woman-uploaded-child-porn-discord-authorities-say/ - news article(its short)
i was wrong about distribution being a charge but i know she did use the material to report bomb some retard's server, had NO idea about the content on her second acc so it wouldnt surprise me if she shared it and used it.
No. 1835901
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>>1835502If there's one thing I hate about modern fandom it's these bland, ugly, oversimplified dynamics charts.
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I don't know if this belongs here, but Amber Heard stans have been in defense mode these past few days. While Amber hasn't talked about the Israel-Palestine war, one of her personal friends, Eve Barlow, is an open zionist. People have gone as far as searching through her Instagram to find posts that Amber liked, and they are mad that Amber isn't actively disavowing her. At the same time there are die-hard Amber stans who are also pro-Palestine and are in a bizarre coping mode, claiming that Eve Barlow is using and abusing poor Amber, just like Depp did. Both sides represent what happens when you turn people into a piece of media that you can claim is problematic or not. I can acknowledge that Amber suffered abuse, but I also may not agree with her political views, it doesn't have to be all or nothing.
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>>1835965It's based on superficiality, wanting empathy to abstract masses.
No. 1836022
>>1835965It's pretty telling that whenever a topical issue that SM has suddenly decided is important occurs they prioritise celebrities. It's laughable that they expect celebrities, who are notoriously brain dead and would do anything for fame and money, to be activists and give a damn. Yet all these SM "activists" only ever think about consooming that's why they obsess over what celebs and fictional media have to say rather than actually doing any activism that isn't just sitting online and parroting "Stop talking about anything that isn't
this issue SM decided was important 5 minutes ago and educate yourself with this carrd. RT RT RT". That's why none of them gave a fuck about Palestine before despite it being occupied for more than half a century.
>>1835950It's painfully obvious they just want to find someone socially acceptable to hate on and harass so they can feel that rush. That's why you'll find so many of these types are hypocritical and only target certain celebs and ignore it when celebs they like do the same. I saw a celeb get dogpiled for promoting starbucks and while I find celebs spineless for accepting every single promotion without regard for anything other than their personal benefit, to act like it's proof they support and took part in genocide is crazy. It's so odd how people are acting about consuming brands who aren't even on the official BDS list but twitter users decided are more important when much like this
>>1835969 says there really is no ethical consumption under capitalism and you can bet most of these people who decide to become online "activists" whenever SM decides it's necessary consume brands that have done the same or worse on the regular. Which goes to show they just want to look good in front of their online mutuals and get an ego boost from feeling morally superior more than they care about the actual issue at hand.
No. 1836087
>>1836021The scary thing that nobody seems to point to out about twittards is that their constant insistence that someone with opposing opinions being inherently violent/nazi/fascist etc. is the twittard projecting how it is actually themselves who are willing to be violent over mere opinions. It's very open in things like "rape a
terf" or any other common twitter rhetoric
No. 1836300
>>1836298Scroll a little, he mentions being a “transfem” a lot and kins a tranny flag haired loli.
It’s definitely a man.
No. 1836318
>>1836310Nothing I said was wrong, I did address the only ships they’ll discuss are between femboys/shotas.
But even then, like the other anon said, they don’t really seem emotionally invested or dedicated to these characters or their relationship dynamics. They serve mostly as pornographic self insert proxies.
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>>1836316I'm afraid fighting games were never a space for women. Sadly you either are okay with playing against men and dealing with all their vitriol, smugness and simping or you just enjoy the actually female FGC space: the fanart, doujinshi and whatnot. Yeah, I know it's not a competitive space but unless it's male coom FotM artists and guys who draw roided guys fighting, the great majority of FG fanart seems to be from women.
Sadly that space is also ridden with Aidens.
Right now fandoms are a lose/lose situation. I still hope you manage to make a circle of female friends to hop on fightcade with though.
No. 1836378
>>1836308They seem to associate being a fujo as being a part of their "
femcel Lain NEET hikki" aesthetic despite having no interest in BL or even shipping besides shota femboy smut. Fujoism is a surprisingly social and communal hobby, but you can't expect a scrote to hide his fetishtic view of womanhood based on a fundamental misunderstanding nor his male socialization.
>>1836362NTA and agree, the FGC was never a hobby welcoming women. I used to be into it a decade ago and the only women that were accepted were the ones acting as mascots cosplaying as the characters, rest were basically told to fuck off. I kicked moid ass but gave the thing up before it even really started because they pretended like losing to a woman doesn't count. Sort of glad I jumped ship early though since the amount of troons there is almost as bad as the speedrunning scene by now.
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>>1836316KOF-sperg here again. This was my experience as well. Even the troon infestation. It was just the lack of interest in characters that pushed me away. Looking up discussions, it was always about the "meta" or whatever, like which frames do the best damage or whatever. It was like they didn't even care about the actual game and characters.
No. 1836398
>>1836380>The worst is when they act like you're invisible and don't give up their seat when they loseEnraging. I never did tournaments but I did fuck over a few scrotes at conventions and this is exactly how they behave when they lose to a woman. I love fighting games but FGC is garbage, never forget that darksydephil first became famous from that scene and no matter how much they pretend to be better than him bad sportsmanship is like a tradition within them.
>>1836394What do you mean picking a character according to some oversperged midframe calculations and relying on one broken gimmick isn't exciting,
nonnie???? But seriously speaking, this pissed me off too. Those guys should be using their powers of autism for space shuttle algorithms instead.
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>>1836416>I pick whatever character is the most attractivesame.
>I also like the stories and making headcanons and stuff about characters but I guess that's not really the point of fighting gamesI feel it should be, canon is pretty loose in fighting-games, so If I wanna imagine the characters being friends or dating, It shouldn't be a problem, like I didn't know the story. but I had memories if shipping these two characters for e.g.
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>>1836416>I also like the stories and making headcanons and stuff about characters but I guess that's not really the point of fighting gamesThat's a big part of fighting games actually. Since the mid 90s fans have always enjoyed knowing more about the characters and making fanart and fan comics about them.
SNK is the most notorious example of this because they actively encouraged it. They released the developers' character profiles for the games in guidebooks but they also released a lot of drama cds, comics and whatnot that deviated from that canon.
They also had a big female fanbase that put all their energy into the creative side of fandom instead of the competitive side. They always had some female fans but it exploded with Kyo Kusanagi and then Iori Yagami.
For example Capcom's fighting game side never actively marketed to women in the 90s like SNK did. Picrel is a page from a mini promotional comic where Kyo brings a fangirl to a game center.
Anyway point is, moids will always say that story in fgs don't matter and that you're not a real fan if you don't spend all your time playing the game. But it's not true, there also are core fans that have been drawing and/or cosplaying their favorite FG characters all their life.
I know there is an office lady in her 40s who still ships and draws Robert x Ryo, for example. I see so many older women, including mothers, still drawing SNK characters to this day.
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>>1836462>>1836506Based. Fighting games are supposed to be goofy and stupid and are made for retarded button mashing with friends and family. Being autistic about frames and matchups ruins the fun.
I always pick the cool girls or cute boys, tekken has quite a few even if anna reigns supreme just for being such a girlboss (fuck the new tekken characters they're gross)
No. 1836710
>>1836701Seconding to this
>>1836705 She practically invites her own cancel. Unfollow her. Delete public posts regarding to topic in birdapp & discord. You will get into fire too.
You already warned her, maybe some time will pass and she would change.
No. 1836715
>>1836714Scrotes can be memed into cooming to anything because they're cavemen prone to pornsickness, women 99% of the time have some sort of a trauma that's
triggering a response to something degenerate. You could show a million hours worth of shota to a woman and she wouldn't touch a child but after one loli doujin a moid is already debating on lowering the age of consent to 9.
No. 1836731
>>1836701wtf? Creepy shit, I would cut ties with her. I hope she isn't giving any indications she's grown interested in real life children.
>>1836714just looks like a porn addiction to me
No. 1836741
>>1836715Almost all of my female friends I know were groped and harassed by male relatives, their male friends, stranger men in child- and teenhood. I believe traumatic experience is more likely happenstance with early, unrestricted internet access overlap. It is not excuse, responsibility still lies, it is just frustrating. Avoiding
triggering dark content is better than exploring it and get it escalating, in my opinion.
No. 1836746
>>1836745what
>>1836714 said, this type of brain-rot doesn't just appear, it comes from escalation without restraint.
No. 1836751
>>1836748>If you're a traumatized woman who's edgyposting about how cartoon boys should be raped chances are it wasn't caused by excessive exposure to porn but other mental illness.I mean it most likely way, she posted porn
>>1836701 of a boy being raped, no one in these threads has ever stated that fujos are just as bad as actual male pedophiles, but you do suffer from levels of porn induced brain-rot, and you act very defensive over that statement.
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>>1836778nta, but could you please stop being so damn stuck-up for once? no amount of trauma or issues will lead you to developing a fetish for cartoon boys(or real one's) being raped. Maybe, just maybe, you can finally admit that it's nothing more than a disgusting porn addiction spiraling out of control, like the majority of fujoshis.
No. 1836785
>>1836764Similar to what
>>1836772 said, but after learning what a "hentai" was after consuming so much anime and anime related content I ended up looking up and accidentally watching one which led me to continue to consume various pornographic content and engage in pornographic and fetishistic material at an alarming rate and at an even alarming age, along with a general desensitization to sexual content and behavior in general which led to a lot of problems. It's only until my early adulthood did I begin to realize what I was doing to myself was an unchecked addiction that needed to be addressed and fixed. Now I can't really stomach anime at all and my sexuality is fucked. Porn addiction and porn sickness can happen to women without trauma being the main reason. It can happen simply because of unrestricted internet access, experiencing that sort of stimulation at too young of an age to properly comprehend it, not having been taught about the danger of that sort of content, and not having a sense of restraint.
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>>1835013does this count?
No. 1836872
>>1836818Every time someone spouts the exact same rhetoric you derail every thread with and another poster calls them out for being paki-chan you show up off anon 2 seconds later to say "THAT'S NOT ME IT'S NOT ME STOP ACCUSING EVERYONE OF BEING ME".
>>1836863My thoughts exactly
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The heebie beebie…
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Has anyone else seen this? I was surprised that a lot of people were actually reacting positively to it. Like yeah, it's dumb and kinda cringe, but it's truly genuine and not under a dozen layers of irony or coom like most modern fandom stuff.
No. 1837026
>>1836937idk, id like to think twitter will finally kick the bucket but people said that all throughout 2023 and its still alive and kicking. despite all the talk of migration to spin-off platforms the sad truth is that the majority of normies - aka twitter's main userbase - isn't going to jump ship nor do they necessarily care for or know about apartheid clyde's politics. i agree with nona
>>1837012 that discord is even worse than twitter - you get the worst aspects of both old school fandom (things being fucking hard to find, clique behavior, petty ass personal beefs) and new fandom (underage sperging, gender and headcanon bs, lack of reading comprehension, inability to hold an intelligent conversation). tumblr had its flaws, but its vastly preferable to the current state of things.
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https://twitter.com/Adam_Weast_/status/1742248558269735201https://twitter.com/_colon_three_/status/1742240726417612832 It's multiple screenshots so linking the threads about it.
So another scrote using the handle boykisser got outed for having a whole ass pedo discord where adults got sexual with 14-17-year olds. These "femboy discords" dedicated to grooming (as in actually sexually grooming to get sexual services out of) teenagers exist in such huge numbers yet the posts outing them never make the same rounds on social media as some 25-year old woman drawing teenage anime boys kissing and instead keep flying under the radar because the men in charge know they have no fucking consequences. It's so fucking frustrating.
No. 1837250
>>1837233I've heard about this before, on reddit there was an issue that users on r/teenager would of course be messaged by pedophiles. and sometimes subtly groomed as well.
Discord seems to have a huge pedophilia problem, why isn't anything ever done about it?
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>>1837233he's going to keep grooming minors shamelessly unless the authorities do something about it
No. 1837292
>>1837265Just groom kids """ironically""" and you got half of the redpill manosphere defending you because it's """ironic""", he's just """memeing""" and """baiting""" and you're all fat virtue signaling feminists taking a joke too seriously.
>>1837267A lot of these worst degenerates target insecure and lonely young gay teenage boys specifically because they know they're horrified of coming out to their parents at 15 so they won't do jack shit about it. They know exactly how to strategize kid diddling.
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>>1837233Rule #2. is such a sinister little manipulation tactic. To anyone with a brain, it's not gonna work, but I bet it muddies the waters for any potential law enforcement investigation. What a total piece of shit
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I despise every single person in this discussion. On one hand, I completely agree that the fetishization of cannibalism is repulsive, and anyone who indulges in it deserves to be ridiculed. On the other hand, this person is clearly taking the words of retarded LARPers at face value and also perpetuating the myth that black people were eaten by slave owners.
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>>1837562I think he would like a word in this.
No. 1837753
One kind of interesting case of a series pandering to the fanbase and actually working it out is the case of overwatch. I first came across it on Tumblr with people creating fan art and comics of the characters, I was sort of involved (I liked the cowboy and thought he was hot). I even got the game, and I guess it was okay, but I didn't have much interest in shooters, so I didn't play it much. But, I knew many people like that—people who only casually played the game or didn't play it at all but still made fan art, fan comics, fan-fiction and bought official merchandise. There was of course another trend of making rule34. Most of it was typical moid coomerism, but there was plenty of fujo content, and again, this was made by people who never played the gams. Then the game itself, due to balancing issues, started actually losing popularity and relevance. Around the time the game developers started pandering, and unlike every other example, it worked. Traces was made gay, and there were even more POC characters added, but it also pandered to the male coomers as well with sexualized designs. It was a strange phenomenon where people were buying the merchandise, even buying in-game cosmetics for a game they barely played. As it has gone on, the game itself has kind of forgotten its own lore and just made its own world a space perfect for fandom, where you can have coffee shop fanfics, slavery fanfics, and also have traditional stereotypical areas but also diverse urban metropolitan modern cities without changing much of the setting.
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>>1837012>>1838114>Discussions are really short too.A fan forum i used to visit had lots of threads where people would write mini essays analysing shit like the camera work or digging up old interviews and see how the contradict with new biographies. Meanwhile the forums official discord was just idle chatter that was semi related to the franchise. Most forums have idle chat threads too so in my opinion discord is obsolete. the conversation moves faster in discord though and some people prefer that. But you can't make really long and obsessive analysis or sourced behind the scenes information threads on discord
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>>1838466>>1838483Flora and Aisha. Unless I'm misunderstanding what dark skin means?
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>>1838526I always thought she was Latina.
Ngl I feel like this is bait but the only actually dark character keeps getting lighter and lighter with each iteration so not really a good example anyways.
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It's kind of absurd to see people who mainly post about fandom husbandos suddenly go crazy about Israel and Palestine and retweet several pictures of dead babies every day amidst their posts about their newest NSFW fanfic. What really makes me sick tho is when they retweet stuff like picrel from muslim accounts that call literal children 'martyrs' and post a bunch of islamist bullshit when real islamists would hate their ratty gendie ass and wouldn't treat them as even human bc they're women.
Bonus: checked the account of one of the Hamas simps they reblog from and fucking KEK it's some Bangladeshi TIM
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>>1838639Hamas simps in fandom circles are hilarious. The love is a one way street. I highly doubt Islamic terrorists are gonna support your gay fanfics and consoomerism. They won't care that you made pro-palestine fan art, you're still just an infidel to them kek.
(off topic) No. 1838669
>>1838639Even when I used tumblr like 10 years ago I found this sort of thing distressing, though back then I got jumpscared by images of animal abuse in posts that led to petitions or political things that weren't even for my country.
I don't know what led to fandom being used as a tool for virtue signaling and propaganda. I just wonder how people enjoy having their entertainment mixed up with shocking imagery and biased world news. There are websites for that and there is zero need to bring it so directly to entertainment.
I'll blame the slash fans of the late 2000s and early 2010s which thought that gay rights had to do with their ships. Also, badly done feminist critique of Disney princesses and other moments of early-ish tumblr cringe.
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>>1838864this is getting off-topic but they are genuinely that naïve, all the communist and socialist parties in my country that were started in Universities in the 1960's were taken over by thugs and gagsters and when a communist party actually takes power, the same thing happens, some very violent and often primitive type of moid outmaneuvers and takes power cause he understands people and the nature of power better.
(derailing) No. 1838909
>>1838905well your wrong on the last part, the worst majority of us were rich kids, I was middle-class whose dad became wealthy but that's as close to the working class as we got, the rest couldn't even talk to regular people without coming across as extremely awkard, barring the exceptions of myself and the moids who ended up basically criminals that are never persecuted.
but majority of them are just spineless wimps who aren't a threat to anybody.
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thoughts?
No. 1838969
>>1838965Total Coomer Death.
They've ruined all art communities and fandoms all at the same time.
No. 1838992
>>1838986There was some troon on reddit who used to do those genre of public masturbation videos who was taken into custody and had literally flee china to avoid long-term punishment.
>>1838986usually that gets you a fine, not jail-time.
No. 1839007
>>1838998Just don't do porn lol. Porn in all of its forms is a blight on humanity.
Male or female artists don't matter, fanart porn's main audience is gonna be underage kids
(bait) No. 1839042
>>1838998I agree, whether or not porn is bad or whatever, the standard that they could jusg throw a woman in jail for artwork and fanfics is worse.
You just know they'd push this shit in order to take away any sort of hobby from women if they could.
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I hate this annoying fag and the damage he has done to voice-acting. All he does is stupid impressions and repeats whatever retarded memes he's seen on twitter. People claim he is a voice-acting expert, when in reality he is just reading out memes for brain-dead zoomers. Yet, he has managed to get work in actual gaming and anime. What's worse is that his influence is spreading, even more untalented hacks who just read out memes are now doing official voice work.
No. 1839181
>>1839102the porn fan art bussiness is also copyright infringement in the west, most companies just don't do anything to prosecute the coomers making porn of their IP which isn't even parody, just straight up the character and branding.
More people know of Samus or Jill Valentine from degenerate porn that coomer grifters sell of them than from the videogames. I wish Nintendo sued those faggots
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>>1839194its going to be gendie hell, no thanks
No. 1839199
>>1839126Nobody mentioned you guys, nor the original anon you were replying to nor anyone else, so it's still unnecessary to make a point. You're assuming they're a fujo hater with no proof
>>1839178Don't worry it's just husbando stuff, fuck pedophiles
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>>1839196just as expected, twitter 2 just where trannies can powermod even harder. They explicitly say they want tons of gross coomer shit like vore and gore, but uwu no misgendering and bigotry
No. 1839252
>>1838965What nonnies here need to know about China is that getting punished for NSFW content is extremely arbitrary, porn and prostitution are
rampant in China and nobody gets arrested for that even though it's
technically illegal, it's one of those laws they use when it's convenient to punish someone. The reason he got arrested was because he was making a profit off his hentai imagery by selling it on Patreon and Mihoyo (the game studio developing Genshin, Honkai etc.) got angry over the copyright infringement and reported him to the authorities. Which is weird because Mihoyo has been very open about allowing fans to create content and generate hype, but apparently he started making
too much money and associating their property with obscene porn. So when you hear news like this from China it's usually because they pissed off a state official, criticized the government or made money in an unsavory way. That's why the CCP looks the other way with genres like danmei that has explicit scenes showing violence and sex, they generate a huge revenue and work as a form of soft power exporting Chinese media abroad.
No. 1839257
>>1834897No
If you want based non-white/
poc characters, look before the Tumblr Plague took over or look outside of the West.
Just a small pet peeve, I find it hilarious when Asian-Americans complain about representation if they cared about the small bits of their culture and not "omg someone that looks like me" they'd just watch movies and shows from their respective family's countries like krdrama, Chinese dramas. It's so pathetic, if you really wanted to see students eating kimchi just watch kdrama since that's what representation is for the Americanised brain.
>>1838114>>1838197Never really liked discussions on tumblr, could never get into them because the users are stupid sensitive (yes I was like that obviously) going to reddit was liberating but unfortunately it's populated with coomer moids. Now I stick with tiktok and watch cringe edits and occasionally go to reddit for discussions. Tumblr is great if you want to just talk shipping and OOC discussions which I'm not a fan of.
>>1837562When did this obsession with cannibalism and pomegranate symbolism come from. I managed to avoid any discourse about cannibalism because it seemed deranged.
No. 1839261
>>1837883I feel like for Detroit becomes humans that counts as playing that game considering the intention was to bridge the gap between video games and movies lol.
But
I think it's somewhat common on tumblr, I'm 90% sure that a lot of well produced Genshin fanart is from artists trying to game the algo
No. 1839262
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>>1839255Speaking of, there was a Japanese yume poll recently and check out who got first place.
No. 1839269
>>1839256IIRC they removed all foreign BL in Hong Kong and continued selling only Chinese danmei. It's all about removing foreign influence and isolating the population from the rest of the world so that they won't learn other languages or customs or the existence of human rights.
>>1839028What the fuck, how is this banned for "bait"? It's the actual reality in China, except the main reason AO3 was blocked was because a celebrity with a high enough status was affected by some unhinged RPF fanfic and some boomer official was more than happy to restrict access to another international website.
No. 1839282
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>>1839280Forgot to post Rika to make my point, sorry.
No. 1839284
>>1839270I genuinely do.
I really want to know.
No. 1839307
>>1839305I like a lot of them tbh.
I guess the artstyles gross people here away.
No. 1839316
>>1839028Jannies, how the fuck is this bait? It is the truth that there are no laws against domestic animal cruelty in China (and that many piece of shit scrotes have abused this to fund a torture fetish community - look up the case of Jack Latiao/杰克辣条 among many others), which makes it laughable that some people want to claim they're instating any sort of "anti-coomer" policy. They've done no such thing, they just like to censor the most arbitrary things and they 100% punish women more.
Don't ban just because some retard got
triggered and typed "uHMM BAITING FUJOSHI!!".
No. 1839318
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>>1839284It’s Shimajirou from Chiikawa, a web comic strip that’s super popular in Japan but not well known internationally. It’s known for being kind of dark despite being a manga about kawaii critters. Shimajirou got introduced during the most recent story arc, which was a high for the storyline’s complexity, which is probably why he got meme’d as a husbando lol
No. 1839319
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>>1839262>anime boy>anime boy>anime boy>anime boy>anime boy>BRITISH MOID>anime boy>anime boy>anime boyI don't know why I laughed so much at this. japanonnies why
No. 1839330
>>1839318Huh, thank you.
I've seen that white little guy around, but never knew it was part of a comic.
No. 1839343
>>1839325Not really
I'm a hpfag myself so I get it but now I'm thinking of some yume's room filled with this moids face and it's the funniest shit to me
No. 1839923
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>>1839253Franchises with a focus on female characters who also appeal to women in a way or another will have a 50/50 gender split in fandoms.
The earliest example I can think of is Sakura Wars, it's a multimedia franchise that was popular in the late 90s and early 2000s. To put it shortly, I find that in a way this is the predecessor of franchises for moids that end up being popular with women anyway, like Love Live or Uma Musume, due to just how many likeable female characters there are in it.
Imo to find women obsessed with female characters you have to look at these moid franchises because, in a way or another, they put all the attention on them without degrading them.
No. 1839932
>>1839345Def JJK
Genshin remains supreme
Chainsaw man
Maybe BNHA? it doesn't feel as popular as it used to be
Idk if Star Wars counts
>>1839350Yeah it's weird Western media doesn't have big fandoms anymore, I wasn't aware how popular HoTD was for example because the chatter about it online is non-existent.
No. 1840028
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>>1839837NTA but Chiikawa is a comic strip made by Nagano, it's about the cute bear creature Chiikawa and his friends (especially Hachiware the cat and Usagi the rabbit) ending up in various situations and doing cute things with a slightly cynical edge. The strip is just a collection of slice of life sceneries, the animated adaptation has a bit more structure. It's enjoyed basically for the cute aesthetics and charming characters, there's not a lot of plot. It doesn't have a proper English translation because a lot of the jokes are hard to localize but it's extremely popular in Japan, anyone who's been there in the past year has seen it pop up literally everywhere.
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>>1839837Chiikawa started out as a comic strip on Twitter by an artist named Nagano. It became popular enough to get an anime series (you can watch the first 5 eps + the most recent eps on youtube) an a shitton of merchandise and collabs. The comic itself is about the daily life of Chiikawa, its friends Hachiware and Usagi and a bunch of other species and creatures.
But what makes the series remarkable is that unlike typical "kawaii creatures doing kawaii things" sorts of series, the Chiikawa world is very surreal and a bit dark. It's not edgy grimdark, but has that hint of dark for a sense of dread. For example:
>Chiikawa and co work menial wagie jobs like pulling weeds or putting stickers on lemons to make a living>They also go on dangerous subjugation quests (monster slaying) to earn money>All of the Chiikawa-like creatures work for a humanoid species of suits of armor, who assigns their daily tasks and gives their salary>Some creatures (Hachiware, Momonga) speak fluently while others (Chiikawa, Usagi) only communicate in grunts or sounds which implies difference intelligence levels>Hachiware lives in a shabby cave and eats processed food like instant ramen which implies it's poor>Oftentimes Chiiikawa and friends get attacked by monsters who try to eat or harm themBut Chiikawa also has a lot of funny, cute, dramatic, heartwarming or otherwise familiar moments
>Chiikawa and friends often eat delicious-looking food or they frolic and play>The creatures need to take an exam to earn higher licenses for weeding. One of the most famous moments is the time Hachiware decided to take the same weeding exam on a whim that Chiikawa had been studying for. Hachiware passed but Chiikawa failed.>To this day Chiikawa has retaken the weeding exam and still not passed.>Chiikawa is a crybaby but there are times it comes through, like when it saved Hachiware from a pit (one of the most famous lines 喜びがない is from that scene)>It invokes familiar shonen tropes like the powerful mentor Rakko-sensei. But Rakko has gap moe since it's cool, but has a huge sweet tooth.It's been said that the reason Chiikawa became so popular is because it captures the absurdity of life.
No. 1840296
>>1840286nta but i think it's just that new stuff is being cranked out so fast and is so easily accessible. netflix is constantly releasing (and canceling) new shows which are hyped for a few weeks and then suddenly they're forgotten. sometimes the shift happens from one day to the next. then the next hype show comes, everyone obsesses over it, and then it's forgotten. for example i see so much wednesday merch but who actually cares anymore? everyone i know who loved the show has moved on already.
i was born in 92 and got into hp when the 3rd book had just been released. of course i read other books but i also kept rereading the three hp books i had because i often went without new reading material for weeks/months. same happened with naruto when i was a young teenager to young adult. i read and enjoyed other series but i didn't know about scanlations yet and had no reliable internet connection at home so i just reread my naruto volumes and whatever manga i bought with my measly allowance.
nowadays kids have smartphones and tablets and links on how to pirate anime/manga/books are readily available, in addition to almost every household being subscribed to at least one streaming service. why bother obsessing over one series when you can watch the entirety of netflix?
No. 1840308
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I kinda want to see how many westboos there are in the video game industry in Japan, because it can give some interesting results, for better or worse:
>we talked about Uchikoshi earlier in the thread, he made the Zero Escape and AI thread. Will completely ignore his Japanese twitter account but wouldn't hesitate to give his male characters' dick sizes on his English twitter until recently
>Hideki Kamiya, idk if he's more of a teaboo though, used to post a lot in English but got fed up with English speaking twitter users, blocked a shit ton of people because of it. Pic related, rip to his hair.
>Hideo Kojima, I don't think I need to explain it, the guy would just plagiarize Hollywood movies to make his games and would then add a shit ton of references to Japanese pop culture
>I've never played Guilty Gear for more than 10 minutes but from what I've seen on /m/ the guy who created the series seems to care way too much about American trannies' opinion which is why he trooned out the famous trap character and some goth guy, idk
>I almost want to say, whoever created Sonic, Resident Evil and Silent Hill. When I was a kid I thought Silent Hill was an American franchise because I'm not American so I didn't have a good frame of reference besides several sitcoms
>The guy who came up with No More Heroes I guess but I've unfortunately never played it I just know that Travis is literally made to be bullied
Can anons think about anyone else?
No. 1840347
>>1840292da here but I also sense the same thing is happening to anime, albeit to a less pronounced extent. The modern anime industry is notorious for its accelerated crunch cycle and it’s a statistical fact that studios are pushing out more shows compared to the 90s or 00s. That’s why flavor of the month shows slip in and out of virality so quickly. Earlier this summer everyone was talking about Oshi no Ko, now they’re talking about Frieren, and who knows what’ll be this year. I sense the days of long-running shonen mega-hits are over - no more Big Three a la Naruto, OP and Bleach. The shelf life of a Big Three shonen is a fraction what it used to be. On one hand, this means series don’t go on forever which is usually for the better storytelling-wise. On the other hand, younger people will never have the same experience of simultaneously growing up with characters (eg HP and Naruto).
I don’t watch Western animation but the impression I get is that it’s less diverse in terms of output compared to the anime industry
>big budget Disney/Dreamworks/etc blockbusters for the entire family>kids shows which can fall into the subcategories of 1) 20-min long toy commercials and 2) vehicles for the creators’ OCs/fetishes/political views>milquetoast animated adult sitcoms>indie animationBesides ATLA, Steven Universe, She-Ra and Voltron it’s hard for me to list off the top of my head western animation series that have a substantial long-running storyline - in order words one of the most basic elements you need to hook a long-term audience.
No. 1840382
>>1840375Isn't it top selling?
I remember seeing it beating out JJK, only behind One Piece.
No. 1840441
>>1840375But aren't there some characters from it in
>>1839262? Like 19, 21, 52 and 53, maybe more but I wouldn't recognize them. And wasn't the japanese national team wearing blue lock jerseys during the last world cup? I'm sure it's super popular, just not enough for fujos to work with and that's why there's barely any fanart. I tried watching it myself some time ago and got bored a few episodes in, there's just too much about football instead of the interpersonal relationships the way other sports animes do it.
>>1840429It has to have something to do with the american need to see characters that are "just like me fr" and if there aren't any they'll just pretend. But I'm sure it wouldn't be this bad if popular media did have different kinds of people, I don't think I've seen anyone do major redesigns on the Spiderverse cast for example
No. 1840467
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>>1840459I heard its really good. I dont watch the show, but when i am bored i watch a channel that makes bluey videos, and it seems like its both comfy and tackles important life lessons without being 2deep4u or too complex so it flies above children's heads. The moids who watch it scare me though.
No. 1840472
>>1840286Idk about people abandoning Western media for anime but as other anons said the current streaming & binge-watching mindset has made it so that normies aren't seeking out fandoms for the latest thing. She mentioned House of the Dragon which was very big but the fandom is nothing compared to when Game of Thrones was airing. I think that was probably the last huge Western fandom sensation, everyone was talking about it. Now I think there's also a lot of people who won't look up their current favorite Western show or movie because they don't want to see political or gender retardation.
>>1840308Hidetaka Miyazaki of FromSoftware games. He's an admitted Westaboo, references Lovecraft frequently, loves knights, castles, and the Age of Chivalry, and of course collaborated with GRRM for Elden Ring.
No. 1840480
>>1840066So it's like the mainstream-friendly, non-edgy and non-autistic successor to Nekojiru in a way ?
>>1840308I like to refer to Suda51 as "the better Tarantino" for funsies.
>>1840286>>1840292The fast paced consoomer's way is one thing. But western media is also between a rock and a hard place, the rock being the high moral expectations put on western creators, and the second being the fact that even the most insufferably moralfagging audience is ultimately vain and what they truly desire is cool people doing cool things in an appealing art style, which prevents them from forming a bond towards the media that desperately tries to pander to the morals they vocalize so strongly about. Meanwhile… Japanese creators give them cool people doing cool things in an efficient, versatile and appealing art style, which is why they get all the fans and since they're Japanese whatever shit they do is swept under the rug by the western hypocrites who are addicted to their work. The girls that draw inclusive fat tranny versions of anime characters are just coping with the guilt of being a moral failure who likes good drawings of hot people.
And since most deeply invested fans tend to be female, obviously you can blame the last decade of internet wars against women for most of that nonsense.
Coomers are the least ungrateful remaining audience, and the porn they make is the closest you can get to proper fanwork nowadays.
>>1840459I don't know a lot about it firsthand, but there's a lot of people who consider it the best/only remaining good thing for children currently. I like how "healthy" the designs are, like they're just dogs with no ridiculous dimorphism. Apparently, it was the point of the series to present healthy children that are naturally childlike. It's also the first time I see a female character that looks like her dad I think.
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>>1839923I think this is definitely the case for mobile idol games, I’ve never seen a male bandori or project sekai fan.
No. 1840521
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>>1840520bandori is super coomery at times. It mostly attracts troons and yurifags
No. 1840536
>>1840499BG3 is definitely getting there, but it's being hindered by the fact that it's not super accessible. For the first year you either needed a PS5 or a suped up PC to play it.
>>1840509It does seem that way. My guess is that game developers have more to lose than animation companies. As well as game development being a lot more accessible to newbies.
No. 1840559
>>1840499Games demand more effort and investment so I think it filters out some of the really lazy demographics.
It's also pretty much the best form of media for long running complex storylines currently, with long-winded animation and manga being on the decline, and novels struggling to keep up with the more stimulating and visual formats.
No. 1840563
>>1840553It just comes down to women are only interested in what's 'better' when it comes to ship wars, otherwise most people just stay in their own zones. You don't really see husbandofags argue over 'who's going to win' in the way waifufags do with their self insert.
I don't even think moid's have a more 'low drama' space, they just have drama in different ways from women and less of a shame culture (which I do envy).
There's a lot of ships I think were retarded (ie: Klance) but it kind of is impressive that women are able to pick apart a series that hard to find ANYTHING for their crackship, only series I've seen moids go that hard into was umineko.
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i don't interact with people on anilist because it's all coombrained moids but sometimes you find gems like picrel, kek. i'm sure this delusional 18 year old woman knows a lot about realistic gay sex.
No. 1840672
>>1840577I have to agree. Men seem like they're incapable of media literacy if sex isn't involved, and even then it's autistic to the extreme. If they don't get it, the story is the problem for not holding their hands and shoving their face in it.
It's all so tiring.
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>>1840681Powerlevels are funny.
That said I don't think men's autism stops at coom and power levels. They also obsess over catalogueing things (wikis) and making theories (like game theory).
No. 1840767
>>1840759Nothing wrong it's just mostly a male autism thing.
The only really bad fandom autism is the coom. Everything else is good when it doesn't get out of hand. Fandom can be nice.
No. 1840770
>>1840745The cataloging and theories are ok.
I just wish it wasn't so surrounded with coom.
No. 1840830
>>1840745Some of the anons stay only on tumblr and AO3 and it shows. Sure the male side is dominated by the coom but they're also the ones modding QoL stuff in games and fixing many bugs prior to official patches, adding game modes, etc. They're also generally the ones who make the tools that enable the female side to fantranslate VNs.
They don't have the retarded translation drama in danmei fandoms and similar incidences (like what I've heard of the Diabolik Lovers fanpatch), no sekrit club bullshit like Otome Dream or those BL manga discords.
No matter if they are motivated by coom, just look at how they freely share stuff. To me that is far more important than in-depth essays or analyzing interactions.
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Occasionally you find moralfag waifufags, but they're a rare breed.
No. 1840849
>>1840835It's been a decade since I played those games but both characters seemed like teenagers to me.
>>1840837Gross, I hate moids who are waifufags and yurifags at the same time.
No. 1841029
>>1840066>>1840028Wow, thank you
>>1840830They absolutely do have retarded translation drama, both in general and in specific fandoms.
No. 1841084
>>1840849Me too ! I thought he was around 18, and the protag looked like a 16-ish high schooler with a tough vibe. Now if you'll excuse me I have to do my time for the crime of being a teenage girl in the 2010s and drawing the self insert character kissing the most husbandoed guy in the franchise. Does this guy have as much of a problem with the actual porn made of the male MC and adult waifu characters ? I bet not.
>>1841067Isn't that just because she shits on TIFs like she's one of the boys ?
No. 1841091
>>1841084Of course, but shitting on TIFs "wokely" is just going to seem like regular bigotry to anyone who isn't terminally online - your average "trans kids are human rights!" lib is going to be horrified by someone going after any kind of tranny for any reason.
And this is setting aside that she called TIMs disgusting faggots for years, the people who are now her only audience. It'd be one thing if they were self-hating channers, but they're all hyper woke commies.
No. 1841147
>>1840830Is this "men totally have less drama!!!!" a moid psyop or some underage retard who grew up into chronic pickmeism?
>Translation dramaJesus, have you
seen all the constant bitching about how everything deviating from a fan translation is "censorship" and secretly an evil feminist SJW pushing their agenda? Or the terminal autism regarding the nuances of some super sacred nipponese term that anyone else would translate to "shoe" but some XY sperg wants to be "toe-filled apparatus made for walking"?
>No matter if they are motivated by coom, just look at how they freely share stuff.It's as if women never translate and share things. No female scanlation groups ever existed. It's not like a
ton of manga gets a fan translation from women who a.) get the raws b.) clean them up c.) translate the dialogue. It's just because some stupid fucking hentai VNs get shared and translated that nullifies the efforts of female translators.
>They're also generally the ones who make the tools that enable the female side to fantranslate VNs.KEK this is some justpearlythings "if men disappeared tomorrow we would be screwed because they run the world!!!!" kind of rhetoric. Crawl back where you came from and don't come back thanks.
No. 1841191
>>1841147nta but about localizations, most of the men and women I see complaining about them tend to complain about real bullshit like changing entire stories in a video games, changing names for no good reasons like in Fire Emblem or Dragon Quest (as opposed to Pokemon names being changed because they're puns), changing characters' entire personalities to te point where the story makes no sense anymore because the localizers thought they were better writers than the actual writers, changing references to Japanese cultures with references to American politicians and gamergate, just straight up removing text and voiced lines, etc. Then you have shit like some cutesy BL manga about a crossdressing uke and his childhood friend getting translated in English by some American tranny who decided to make the manga about the uke being a tranny like himself, other Amerilard localizers defended him for being beyond incompetent and when the mangaka heard about it she and the Japanese publishers urged the American publishing company to redo the translation and reprint the book with the correct translation. Women seem to complain less about it in comparison but that's because of other female fans trying too hard to not seem like they're weebs. I remember in 2015 on tumblr if you were just annoyed that some of the dialogs were getting changed by Treehouse in FE Fates and that you couldn't pet the male love interests in some minigame you'd get thoroughly insulted and get called a pedo or a fetishizer but these girls insulting everyone didn't give a single fuck about male fans saying they would marry Elise or Sakura.
>Or the terminal autism regarding the nuances of some super sacred nipponese termI've seen this coming from EOP way more often than from the people you're talking about. Nothing funnier than a troon who only and barely speaks English trying to tell you that "onigiri" just has to be translated as "jelly donut" as opposed to letting it as is or translating it as "rice ball" like a normal person in 2024 just in case Americans don't know that other countries exist. The guys on twitter who complain about horribly localized video games are definitely annoying as fuck at best and talk like schizos a bit too often to be taken seriously until now but at least they're complaining about a thing that actually exists.
No. 1841200
>>1840459its really, really sweet. all about growing up and learning to socialise properly. heavy focus on how children play with each other and with adults, and a little (for the parents) about how adults navigate being a part of their childrens' worlds. as another anon mentioned, the designs are super body neutral and gender neutral (arguably save one hot pink poodle girl, but she has brothers and a magenta poodle dad).
just a really nice little show about two happy kids with a loving family. completely stellar children's writing.
i back bluey so particularly hard mostly because, aside from the beautiful respectful writing and gorgeous score etc etc, the scenery makes me so homesick and nostalgic for my childhood in the same city the show is based on.
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>>1841147>>1841191I find that translation spergs are the worst kind of male gamer. The amount of hatred they have towards localizations is ridiculous and they lump any minimal change with the most egregiously bad ones.
Everyone with a brain now agrees that localizations like Fates being utter garbage because of how many things it changes either for no reason or to keep it in line with the their own moral code (Forrest's paralogue is a travesty), but the "anti treehouse" fans back then made it all political and tied it to le epic gamergate alt-right, basically gutting their credibility and making their complaints sound like weird propaganda. They also had a stupid amount of lolicons in their ranks who would bring up that 13 was (at the time) Japan's age of consent.
Now we still live with their influence and any kind of translation that isn't boring and stiff gets touted as shit by the non-"sjw" male gaming fandom mass. I've seen a well done fantranslation like Thracia 775's get lumped with Fates' official dumpsterfire because the team of fans who did it decided to make some of its infamous puzzles easier.
Now every time a fantranslation shows up nowdays you'll always have a bunch of ingrates acting like the team behind it must be all "pozzed clout-chasing sjw trannies" that are injecting memes and faux feminist quips in the script. Any kind of passion project is considered a way to get attention by these idiots (the perfectly fine and 100% faithful fantranslation of Sakura Wars on Saturn got touted as such because they didn't translate the ps2 remake instead, which btw is basically a whole new game where knowledge of previous titles is important, including the game it's based on).
In retrospect it's incredible how Fates' localization was so bad that it completely brain damaged gamers to the point they can't be normal about any of this. And instead of learning japanese they'd rather have translators be replaced by deepl or google translate. It's fucking cringe.
No. 1841230
>>1841215The timing of the horrible Fates and TMS localizations was pretty bad, it was happening at the same time as retarded American politics so everyone was on edge on the internet. I can't blame people for finding the nerds complaining about legit horrible localizations crazy when they also say unrelated stupid shit at the same time or blaming the wrong people (like saying Fates was localized the way it was because of feminism which… lol, it actually made some things about the female characters more offensive than in the Japanese version so that clearly can't be why. I think Treehouse legit thought the main target audience was 10yo kids and not young adults but I won't elaborate, that would be too long). But even then a lot more recent games had weird changed like BOTW changing Link's journal so instead of seeing his own writing in first-person where he talks about a lot of things from his own point of view we get a bunch of texts written second or third person so they're just boring, dry lists of quests. Was it changed in the sequel? Or there's also Final Fantasy, which tends to have more or less accurate localizations in all languages except in English so English speaking fujoshi had a stroke when they learned that Dion and his bf were childhood friends online after specifically looking for info on them while others knew directly from the game. I can't blame anyone for being a little bit paranoid when it comes to that, but typically you don't pay for a fantranslation so there would be no real reason to whine.
>I've seen a well done fantranslation like Thracia 775's get lumped with Fates' official dumpsterfire because the team of fans who did it decided to make some of its infamous puzzles easier.This got me thinking about how things will be when we'll get more remakes. I just know there will be a shitstorm at some point no matter what the devs or localizers will do, but I haven't played the fan translations so I have no frame of reference.
>the perfectly fine and 100% faithful fan translation of Sakura Wars on Saturn got touted as such because they didn't translate the ps2 remake instead, which btw is basically a whole new game where knowledge of previous titles is important, including the game it's based onI had no clue there was a fan translation to begin with. I should look it up, I liked the anime a long time ago when I watched it on TV as a kid.
No. 1841236
>>1841191>I remember in 2015 on tumblr if you were just annoyed that some of the dialogs were getting changed by Treehouse in FE Fates and that you couldn't pet the male love interests in some minigame you'd get thoroughly insulted and get called a pedo or a fetishizer but these girls insulting everyone didn't give a single fuck about male fans saying they would marry Elise or Sakura.Those girls had more energy to call out people (other women, 99% of the time) who ship Corrin with Xander or Azura than the actual misogynist dudebros who were mad over the pedo stuff in Fates censored.
>>1841215I thought Fates localization was awful but the hardline anti-Treehouse types were so insane they blamed everything they didn't like on Treehouse, even if it was one of the few scenes that was an actual translation. When I was on Tumblr back then someone was sperging out over how one of the DLCs had a joke about Elise drinking coffee and blamed it on Treehouse because it was goofy, but it turned out the original script was about that too. Both sides are annoyingly political, even if I hate how woke and gendie female-dominated sides of fandom are, a lot of moid spaces are right wing and reactionary to everything.
No. 1841244
>>1841236Yes omg, god forbid some girls self-inserted in the self-insert female character and married Xander or Ryoma in the game and made art of Corrin with either guy. They really thought that female otaku wouldn't marry the hot, plot relevant husbandos of the game just to marry… idk, Silas instead?
>Both sides are annoyingly political, even if I hate how woke and gendie female-dominated sides of fandom are, a lot of moid spaces are right wing and reactionary to everything.Exactly, I wish there was something in-between. I sometimes wonder if I'm too much of a normie compared to these people because at the end of the day I want to play fun video games and I'm just annoyed when I have to deal with a shitty localization of a product I payed with my hard earned money. Like, it's not that deep. I don't want to hear the good old "just learn Japanese" because at the time the 3DS was region locked so while I could have played some games in Japanese at the time I would have had to get everything imported or I would have to pirate everything. And I say this as someone who studied hard to became fluent in English asap so I could play games or read novels in English without waiting for incompetent French translators to do their jobs years later.
No. 1841398
>>1841147Uh, what? I am not being a pickme.
Moids don't moralfag over piracy. I am not aware of them demanding receipts that you bought some manga before letting you download their MTL translation right after making you write an essay to join their sekrit club. There's some sort of resistance to piracy in female spaces.
I am not putting down female translators, fangame devs and others at all. But it's undeniable that moids contribute a lot, software-wise. It's likely different nowadays but I haven't followed the VN scene for so long so I'm sorry if I made assumptions on that front. However I have never and will never read galge.
And I wasn't even talking about localization drama; it's nuking releases then sending their followers to harass anyone who reuploads their mtl translations.
No. 1841453
>>1841398The only people who’ve ever moralfagged at me for pirating video games were moids
>>1841409Yeah the VN/galge space is full of this kind of behavior. Does anyone remember the “break the support disk” meme?
>fansub group No Name Losers releases an English patch for a mid h-game called Wind-a breath of heart->insists on making people fill out a questionnaire and and pics of ownership including a broken support disc to prove they’re TRUE and HONEST owners >people get understandably pissed about having to destroy an expensive import game just get the patch No. 1841507
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Apologies for doubleposting but if we're going to talk about drama in the moid side of fandom we cannot forget fansub and scanlation groups, which are brimming with drama and cows. in particular im reminded of one infamous baki the grappler scanlation group, wild fang, and how he puts even the milkiest cows on this site to shame
>wants to be the ONLY scanlator in town for a notoriously inaccessible manga
>snipes other baki groups' releases, harasses their members, steals their translations, DDOSes their sites
>puts his content behind a paywall, which is a big no-no in these spaces
>but can't be half assed to clean scans or redraw pages despite charging money
>can't even be half-assed to translate since some translations are literally his own fanfiction
>incredibly racist and homophobic to an an absurd extent, said rewrites include twisting the story to fit his anti-lgbt agenda
>throws nuclear tantrums complete with slurs when people talk about his antics
I'm not a baki or kengan ashura fan so how did I even hear about this? WF also did a fansub of the first sumikkogurashi movie. sumikkogurashi for those not in the know is a series of kawaii characters from the same makers of rilakkuma. but the real kicker is that he fucking edited the English Wikipedia page to use his own 4kids-tier fanmade names. Ofc, his subs also use his dub names so some people were like what the hell is with these names?
So yeah, all of this is a reminder that the male side of fandom is full of its own drama and autistic meltdo9wns. and let's not forget that the reason the kiwifarms exists is for men to gossip about other men and troons.
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Since I already brought it up upthread, I wanted to talk a bit more about female idol space on twitter/tumblr, that's mostly populated by female fans. I know we usually complain about TIFs ruining our fandoms but my worst experiences have been with TIMs trying to co-opt the spaces of female fans of female-majority media. They are actually predatory and have tried to groom underage girls so many times (they even creeped on me before but fortunately I was smart enough to block, wish I'd been brave enough to write a callout for someone who actually deserved it though) but the actual women are of course handmaidens who are completely blind to the fact that TIMs are the ones who are doing this every damn time. Every time someone got a callout for being a 21 year old hitting on the 16 year olds it was a TIM. Dealing with this shit honestly prevented me from completely drinking the gendie kool-aid because they were so nasty.
Even putting the grooming attempts aside, they also force their retarded transfem headcanons onto the girls. They did it to my oshi Rin who's just a tomboyish girl who struggles to be feminine, but obviously that means she's a fucking male LARPing as woman. You have no fucking idea how angry this headcanon makes me I'd rather take 100 people calling her transmasc than one fucking disgusting TIM implying she's one of them
No. 1841813
>>1841507Can't believe I forgot autistic wikipedia edit wars, terminology arguments and other narc behaviors kek. Thanks for the reminder.
I have got a severe case of 'grass is greener on the other side' kek, I really hate gendies for ruining our spaces.
>>1841674I only am interested in Touhou music so I just go to doujinstyle whereas I remember looking for some otome? cds and reading about how to get into Otome Dream, fuck them so much. Thank the heavens for digital storefronts.
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>getting into new anime
>go on ao3 to see what the fandom
has to offer
>90% AUs and a/b/o
why dont the kiddies want to write in canon any more, nonnas?
No. 1841860
>>1841744No, they didn't. What is this weird gaslighting hocus pocus? Where exactly do you see scrotes that accepted fujos? In every unisex fandom they still shit their pants and want every m/m ship eradicated from their sights and get high on copium to erase every single trace of possibly homosexual connotations everywhere they can, they still consider fujos the bane of their existence because y chromosome get big mad over women liking a thing they find scary and emasculating. The only men who "accept fujos" are the terminally coombrained fucks who got bored of their loli rape and can only get hard to shota now and those degenerates have always existed. What the hell is up with the current "well at least moids are the rational sex!" bullshit going on in here?
>>1841827The notorious needle story is widely considered to be a fake now, there was never any verification of it ever being true and the Taiwanese Undertale artist, Avimedes, who claimed to have been the
victim has been is apparently known to be a compulsive liar and a scammer in the Chinese speaking fandom who forged her ex's signature on a legal document. She panic deleted all her socials when this stuff started surfacing.
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>>1841853It's such a damn shame too because I fell in love with his design the moment I saw him but of course he's being used for the troon agenda, just my fucking luck
No. 1841870
>>1841857The reason you constantly see AU shit where the characters are barely acting like themselves is because those people want to write their own stories but are too lazy so they just borrow a bunch of stuff from whatever they're watching at the moment and use that as a template along with the default modern AU settings (Offices, coffee shops, schools, etc).
There's also the people who very transparently are using a pre existing character as a proxy pair themselves with a character they like.
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Does anyone else think this whole "fandom is male-centric and misogynistic for having mostly m/m and m/f pairings" topic is a psyop by troons trying to once again force themselves into women's spaces and allege that women's sexual orientation is bigoted for not including and catering them? I swear I never see any actual lesbians take issue with this, when I go on their profiles it's mostly AGP with the adult baby toothpaste flag in bio and their they/them fakebian handmaidens.
It's clear to me their actual issue is being annoyed seeing women actually make things for themselves and enjoy the spoils but are too lazy/untalented/uncreative/scrotebrained to replicate, and instead of making their own content the male entitlement kicks in and they twist it into a moralfag issue, spinning it around so it's the female writers who are the problem for not serving them their fetishy teen anime girl lesbian porn on a silver platter despite female writers generally having no interest in that. Ironically, the r34 art scene is FULL of that type of content (and I never see them complain about how r34 hentai is misogynist or fetishy) (Side note, I wish there was more r34 hentai style nsfw of male characters/blorbos to counter having to see that garbage every time I search for a female character I like. I really do.)
Thoughts? (Please dont take this as an excuse to infight about fujos or whatever)
No. 1841887
>>1841147What are you on about nonnies here rage over translation and will use use the same talking points as men who agonise petty word changes. And honestly I support them, you can’t deny that some translators have a weird agenda. I don’t remember which game it was but when one character was announced to be suddenly a tranny the nonnies here had a fit.
Say what you want but at least male-dominated spaces actually care about the source material. Female-dominated spaces end up replacing canon with fanon material then flip out when the show do shitty fanon bs like that Klance ship.
No. 1841930
>>1841813I personally brought up Touhou because larger spaces like the subreddit or shrinemaiden.org will shame (or ban in the latter case) users who don't buy the games. Touhouwiki also bans piracy discussion on their IRC and Discord. God bless Doujinstyle tho
>>1841850I don't get why the gendies like idol franchises so much, I mean I get TiMs but I don't see the appeal for TiF fans
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>>1841930>I don't get why the gendies like idol franchises so much, I mean I get TiMs but I don't see the appeal for TiF fansThe appeal is really simple: cute characters singing and dancing and having friendships. Remember that most of these TIFs were normal girls at one point that got sucked into the cult. There is nothing that's inherently gendie catnip in idol franchises, but they start projecting their retardation onto whatever interests they had before they drank the kool-aid
No. 1842012
>>1841857>>1841870This shit has something I've noticed in the past 5 years and it's infuriating, it's probably the biggest reason that modern fandom is so unappealing to me personally because fanfiction has always been my favourite medium to engage in a fandom but it feels like most fanfiction is just a projection of the author's life onto the page as opposed to an exploration of the media. It's might just be underage writers who haven't really learnt how to write as anything besides themselves, but sometimes there will be older zoomers who still twist a character into an extension of the author and their friends.
Most of the fandoms I've remained active in were popular 10-15 years ago, so there's less zoomer navel-gazing, but even then, new works are uploaded somewhat weekly and it includes the same shit I avoid new fandoms for. Being underage/zoomer is a parasite on creativity and narrative depth atp. Also, I might kill myself if I have to see another chatfic.
No. 1842097
>>1841930>>1841813Oh God, speaking of Touhou it should be a textbook example of why male fandom spaces aren't some cozy utopia. I love the music, games, art and characters - I have to admit Touhou is a male fandom with enough creativity to rival female fandoms - but I will never ever touch the fandom with a ten foot pole.
>The fandom is filled to the brim with pedos and troons. I went to a major anime con and legit every single Touhou cosplayer I spotted was male.>As for pedos, the fandom embraces lolicons. At least other male fandom spaces would roast or shun them. If your favorite character is Flandre, you probably belong on an FBI watchlist.>There's at least one known incident of a pedo sexually harassing an underage cosplayer at a con. >The disaster that was Touhoucon, which couldn't even afford to pay for its guests of honor.>Surprisingly a decent amount of shipping drama complete with wiki edit wars>Headcanon drama in the form of "Touhou is comfy slice-of-life" vs "Touhou is canonically grimdark" people>Petty rivalries with other fandoms like Undertale and Kantai CollectionBut aside from moids and moids, I notice a lot of petty or gross shit you wouldn't find in female dominated fandoms
>People who make and enjoy yukkuri abuse torture porn. I get irl animal abuser vibes from them.>the massive amount of pornbrained thinking that's just casually accepted>Touhou's version of genwunners>The current of elitism among people who do play the games hence the EASY MODE meme>Obligatory powerlevel sperging hence how the HER SAKE NOT EVEN DROP meme was born>Waifu wars, especially when one girl is perceived as getting too much spotlight (eg Aya, Sanae)>The aforementioned piracy moralsperging versus the people who don't give a shitSorry for one last bit of Touhou sperging but regarding piracy, I wonder if the people who get uppity regarding piracy realize that Touhou never would've taken off internationally if not for piracy (of the games, music, fan art, etc). Perhaps the attitude is a bit more justified now since the more recent games are accessible via Steam but back in the day, you definitely downloaded that shit.
No. 1842101
>>1841914Rather than a genuine belief that all women are lesbians, it honestly feels like these lot are projecting their "ability" to pretend to be another sexuality/gender for sjw points and expect others to be willing to do it too.
>>1841923I agree and it's funny to watch genderspecial fakebians fight each other over moid approval, but I genuinely feel (hope) that more fandom women are peaking and trying to tell them to fuck off but dance around the crux of the issue (the troons and not wanting to admit they are just nerdy straight women), which I think the hidden post that got QRTed was something like that that
triggered them.
You're right and it's high time I distance myself from these circles, I was wondering if there were any femslash fans/lesbians who could chime into the issue, at least I've noticed ironically, they are the demographic that makes their own original content the most instead of sitting around and throwing shit at each other complaining.
No. 1842112
Came here to complain about something maybe only I hate but idk. I hate how fans try to look at fiction from an irl perspective. So much so that dumb shit that makes no sense just because the writer wants to happen for the story to advance isn't accepted anymore. And everyone is too critical of everything they never enjoy anything ever. What happened to suspension of disbelief? Why can't goofy fun stuff happen in fiction anymore without people losing their shit? I especially hate when a story has some political stuff happening and people try to apply irl politics to it and lable anyone who's a fan of a character that was "in the wrong" canonically as a bad person. Like, it's just fiction and a fictional story, let people enjoy the villains. Ofcourse the other way around where enjoying the heros gets shat on is also annoying. I'd understand if the characters actually did something too questionable even in fiction (pedophilia, rape etc.), but if they kill other characters for plot reasons for example than it shouldn't be a big deal because that's just one of the ways for how fictional stories keep going. Or when a character gets a new power to defeat the bad guys because it's a power fantasy, and people think it makes no sense and shouldn't happen. Why are you even watching power fantasies if you want something logical? I hope I'm making sense and someone understands what I'm complaining about.
aot got me thinking about this because lots of fans hate Floch and think anyone who likes his character
must be a fascist irl or a weakling or whatever. He's just some silly anime man, why are they taking this too seriously and making it personal lile that?>>1840350Imo it's because east asian artists prefer and value beauty even in art, while westerners think liking ugliness is morally right so they do it to prove they're good people to strangers online.
No. 1842140
>>1842119That's a good point too! I want to expand on my opinion by saying it's like escapism can't be escapism anymore. It has to be super duper realistic and relatable to everyone ever or else it's bad. And when they say realistic and relatable, they mean boring in detail explanation of everything in chronological order or else they won't get what's going on, and troons and pocs who are lgbt but also religious from religions that forbid lgbt but also ok with non-religious people and every other contradictory trait possible in one character just to check boxes. Or else they won't watch it. I am still baffled by the whole "if the characters don't look like me I feel left out" argument for representation. That's just narcissism at this point. I never ever in my life even as a kid was upset that characters on tv weren't like me in skin color or live style, on the contrary, I liked them because they were different from me and my real life so they were fun and interesting. And when local shows with characters who looked like me and had a similar life aired, I'd turn the tv off because it was boring. It's more interesting when it's something new to me and out of my comfort zone, isn't that the whole point of fiction? To explore alternative realities and other people's perspectives from a save distance, impossible ideas that could never happen and more? What's the point of fiction if it's identical to real life then? Just go watch the news or something idk. I'm not saying it should never be relatable or resonate with people, but I find it more interesting when I relate to/resonate with a character in a completely different situation than mine where they either had it better or worse but we both arrived at the same or similar conclusions, sort of showing how different situations might lead to a certain path. I think it helps me with empathy/sympathy. I know that sounds autistic af but I'm isolated from the world and can't socialize or experience everything I need to irl, so I use fiction and live vicariously through it. And I'm afraid that would be taken away from me eventually if every story became about things I know or don't want to see/explore and all characters were too ordinary and boring for me to care about their stories and experiences.
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>>1842140The fantasy genre suffered a lot from this. I miss 80s fantasy so fucking much.
No. 1842184
>>1842151It's hard and depends on your fandom, unfortunately. Most "terfs" who engage with fandom tend to LARP as apolitical or don't comment on troon issues but post 101 feminism instead (anti-makeup, anti-sex work, etc.). I've found covert fandom blogs when scrolling the notes of radfem/
terf posts and occasionally seeing icons and urls that are fandom or non-political.
No. 1842190
>>1842151i keep my fandom and
terf accounts separate because i haven't found ppl in my fandoms who're gc and i haven't found any radfems who post stuff from my fandoms either
No. 1842202
>>1839175I would honestly prefer dubbing like
>>1830738 over most modern dubbing because the issue with dubs like tokyopop was the voice directing. The performances themselves were decent, but the problem isn't just crappy voice directing right now. Back then, the vast majority of voice actors were former actors. They knew how to carry a scene and improvise. However, nowadays, most voice actors come directly from the Internet, and other than reading out memes, they suck at actually carrying out scene where they have to talk to people and sound natural !
No. 1842283
>>1842151I think due to lack pronouns, age and flag colors on profile?
>>1842184Are they get labelled "terfs" for feminism? I do not even know why in fandoms would even need to be anti-makeup, anti-sex work topics, but it reminds me of me interacting with hs fandom I just mentioned women word a lot instead of afab (a female born) and people/girls, and openly didn't like the chest binding. Trans scare me I still remember how one of daily discord user got chest surgery and everyone were in cheers with it like it was a birthday. In 13+ discord server. Also, recently 20 yo advised 13 yo friend to remove her tubes to avoid heavy periods. God, then their trans lobby runs out and there will be some other weird but less sinister trends.
No. 1842296
>>1842140>I am still baffled by the whole "if the characters don't look like me I feel left out" argument for representation. That's just narcissism at this point. I never ever in my life even as a kid was upset that characters on tv weren't like meExcellent point anon, I was going to post something like this yesterday but I changed my mind. I sometimes get quizzed on my stories not having representation or "including" people and I'm always like, my story doesn't include me or anyone like me either. I'm doing just fine with that being the case in other media that I watch. And people talk to me like I'm crazy for not caring about representation. Do I really need to write my story in mind for people who just want to self insert and directly see themselves in a character? Can't you just roleplay as someone else that's cooler? I mean, I'm still not going to fill a quote. And nobody's pointing a gun at my head for me to do it, but if I say what I really want to say
>"you have to represent me or you're evil!!">you're all a bunch of bitches get over it and stop crying about a lack of an identical analogue to youI'd be a bigot or something. I just can't take it seriously. It's so disappointing to see people dm me or ping me like a sopping wet dog begging me "draw me! draw me!" like I give a fuck. I'm perfectly fine even when not being "represented", and I don't see myself in my art either. Nobody I draw even remotely looks like myself, so If somebody else can't see themselves in my art either that's their personal problem they need to work through in therapy.
No. 1842312
>>1841878It is. I was really weirded out by the entire "why are female fandoms so male centric why are you all so misogynistic!!!" discourse for a while because it didn't make a lick of sense, then I started checking these people's profiles and sure enough they were all """sapphic""" troons and their groveling handmaidens. In my gacha fandom they're mad as hell every time an attractive male character gets released and they spam comments hollering "WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN SO MUCH HUH?????" while their entire social media is filled with dickgirl porn and "wish I could rape terfs" posting. Not once have they been an actual adult cis lesbian.
>the male entitlement kicks in and they twist it into a moralfag issue, spinning it around so it's the female writers who are the problem for not serving them their fetishy teen anime girl lesbian porn on a silver platter despite female writers generally having no interest in that.And this is genuinely why the anons upthread complaining about "men now having moralfag drama" are fundamentally wrong. Trannies concern troll about fujos especially day in day out in an attempt to manipulate them into serving them the content they feel entitled to.
No. 1842318
>>1842097I was never into touhou myself but my friend was deep into the fandom and how she described the experience aligns basically with what you're recounting. A ton of pedos and other creepy degenerates preying on the young girls who are there just for the fun character designs and cool music, all on top of the basic fandom shipping/headcanon/waifu wars and rivalries.
>>1841914>The existence of fujos/yumes break the delusion these trannies have that all women are lesbians and blush when their female senpai looks at them. It's not about that, they're just strongly
triggered by the existence of things they don't like. Men are fragile as fuck about it because they're used to not having to deal with being uncomfortable. Women are told to suck it up when they have to make space for loli porn but they never have to tolerate one shirtless anime male.
No. 1842319
>>1841860Whether it's irl in the Japanese classes I had with fellow weebs in uni or during anime cons men didn't give a shit about fujoshi, the gay ones would queue with fujoshi to buy new BL manga releases, the straight ones were dating female nerds and didn't mind or even expected that their girlfriends would like BL or ship gay pairings, when I go buy BL manga in my usual comic store there are always a few guys there letting their gf or wives shop and having normal conversations about what just got released, etc. Even when I went to Japan last summer I went to some BL cafe event and there were a few women dragging their boyfriends or husbands there and the guys didn't mind it at all. I only saw one guy there all by himself spending way too much money on food to get more coasters so I assume he's a fudanshi. Mangaka and game devs like their fujoshi fanbase and are at most surprised they have female fans like the guy who directed the Yakuza games. Some directly pander to them specifically, like Atlus.
Legit the only men I see who seethe over fujoshi (or even over husbandofags too) are older normies who think they're hardcore otaku because they watched a Captain Tsubasa dub on TV when they were kids (like everyone who's not American, so lol) or normie zoomers who binged watched Naruto during the 2020 lockdown.
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>>1842319You seeing a few guys hanging around their girlfriends while they buy BL at a comic book store not throwing a visible temper tantrum about it isn't really compelling evidence of men being fine with fujos in their fandoms. You think it's other women who constantly seethepost about fujos ruining anime and make memes of them being fat ugly
femcels? Haven't you really seen the numerous men getting incredibly assmad over fujopandering? Whenever I've gotten into a fandom with a sizable male audience it's always been them so fucking bothered over fujos and women liking pretty boys in general to the point multiple big community gathering spots in places like reddit and discord have banned "male NSFW" (i.e. shirtless and suggestive drawings) but allow female NSFW just because men will drive a car into a pedestrian crowd otherwise.
>Some directly pander to them specifically, like Atlus.Yet they decided that it's much more trad to allow a male MC to date and buy maid services from an adult teacher as a teenager than date a boy his age kek.
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>>1842312>>1841878reposting from the previous, an example I personally witnessed when I was more involved with the Owl House fandom was with the character Hunter. My god, did every troon on twitter in the fandom hate Hunter. They despised him because, in this mostly female cast, he was the sole male character and was extremely popular with the teenage girl audience that the show was intended for. He was shipped with most other characters and even self-inserts. Now, I do think there were some issues with Hunter's writing towards the end, but the Twitter troons didn't care about that. They hated that he was supposedly ruining their queer lesbian fantasy. So, they claimed that the showrunner, Dana Terrace, was racist and sexist for centering the story around a white male character (worth noting that he was an elf boy voiced by a black man). Even then, the main female characters still remained the main focus; Hunter just had some B-plot episodes.
The point is that these TIM often get their way more frequently than not, since they are considered the most "oppressed group." Anything can be justified by them, even though these men are very obvious blatant misogynistic porn addicted Incels.
No. 1842349
>>1842327Another recent trend has been them directly adopting the aiden "straight women fetishizing gay men" narrative, they accuse women of "sexualizing male relationships" and play
victim like their life depended on it.
>I'm too afraid to hug a bro because some dirty fujo will immediately think we're gay, it really hurts my feelings!!! >>1842340And I'm talking about the thousands of people I've seen over two decades of being chronically online in weeb spaces, men are indifferent to fujos as long as they don't get canonically pandered to or involve their favourite powerfantasy male. I've had a douchebag moid come start a fight with me at an anime convention because I was wearing a m/m ship swag kek. And do you really think creators will say "fuck you fujoshis stop giving me mountains of money and free advertising with all the fan creations you make"? Never forget that fujos saved Gundam, not male gunpla autists.
>>1842344>You think publishing companies and anime studios think "oh no, we need to pander to these 30 neet anons on /a/ or we won't sell enough books and merchs and be bankrupt!"?Kek that's exactly what they think though. Why do you think BL mangakas and writers need to remain anonymous under a pseudonym? If they ever pivoted towards making a non-BL series no publisher or studio would pick it up because those 30 neets on /a/ would burn down their office otherwise. Everyone wants the lucrative fujobucks but since they want to have their cake and eat it too they end up throwing crumbs every now and then but stay just vague enough not to anger all the scrotes.
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>>1841841I will never forget this guy because I saw his tumblr post about FE Fates and how homophobic it was for depicting a spicy straight female character in a stupid scene with the male MC and didn't take it seriously, then I saw that Treehouse took it seriously despite him saying he wasn't even going to buy the game regardless so I got curious, saw his twitter account and it was full of tranny and yurishit. And then I saw that even other Love Live tranny fans were sick of him and at some point he got mocked by a lot of unrelated people for changing his middle name to his favorite Love Live pairing name. It just kept getting worse and worse and to this day I have no clue why an American company listened to the shitpost of a Swedish diagnosed autist who's a tranny who fetishizes lesbians more than anyone else involved in that story. It's just so random. It's like if I personally posted something about how I think it's homophobic that the male MC in Fates can't fuck, idk, Saizou because I personally find Saizou hot just as a shitpost, added "as a gay man" which TIFs do all the time at the beginning of the post, and an entire company begged IS to write and code an S support between Saizou and male!Kamui or they'll get boycotted by everyone in the West.
No. 1842556
>>1842425It was so overblown. I do think the Soleil character was a badly-handled homophobic joke (Treehouse sucked at trying to rewrite her just as much though), but he made it out that there was literal conversion therapy and assault in the script, when it was just a humorous plot that didn't translate well to western audiences. I saw other bloggers who didn't care about FE or JRPGs in general jump on this train and try to dig up petitions or websites from LGB people in Japan saying the game was offensive, but I honestly don't know if they were really common opinions or if it was cherry-picked. So many SJWs I knew cosigned the post because a "vulnerable twamzwommin" wrote it even though if you looked at his blog he was into series worse than Fire Emblem (I saw Valkyrie Drive on his blog which is literally softcore yuri hentai with high schoolers) and never even posted about it outside of coomer art of Tharja. I swear to god, progressives normally mock porn addicted "cis straight men" but the moment they say they're trans that same behavior is rewarded.
>It's like if I personally posted something about how I think it's homophobic that the male MC in Fates can't fuck, idk, Saizou because I personally find Saizou hot just as a shitpost, added "as a gay man" which TIFs do all the time at the beginning of the post, and an entire company begged IS to write and code an S support between Saizou and male!Kamui or they'll get boycotted by everyone in the West.Honestly, I think if there was a post about how Forrest is a misunderstood trans egg and there was backlash over how its "transphobic" that the game doesn't identify him as a woman, that probably wouldn't gotten more pushback and changed. I'm glad at least complaints about him stayed online and away from Nintendo. They already made Kyza from Radiant Dawn "nonbinary" when he was originally gay in the game, I don't want more characters transed in the localization. Moids and handmaidens were already saying they felt "baited" that the new game had a femboy character that was just a normal guy and not some flavor of gender.
No. 1842900
>>1842878I don't even mind the more serious and edgy direction in FF16 because it reminded me of FF2 and as you said, it didn't completely forget it's supposed to be an FF game, but I don't get how the English localization is so fucked up while all the other languages have more accurate translations of the original Japanese script. And EOP have such a shitty reading comprehension that they thought the English localization was the original story because they didn't understand an interview by the devs. It's so weird that they changed the main characters to be a bit more sassy and perpetually annoyed in English, meanwhile in Japanese Clive is way more polite and cuter. Or you have shit like
Dion being the prince but not being allowed to become the Sanbreque emperor because of his role in the army which is perfectly consistent in all the languages after his father dies… Except in English when some soldiers say he's now the emperor because…? Because the localizers gave no fuck. I'm not even affected because I selected the French subtitles but still. IIRC the same guy who made the English localization for FF16 also turned the English version of FF14 into his own personal fanfic too according to a friend of mine who's a huge fan and the cutscenes she showed me shocked me so much we spent an entire day at her place where she showed me how to play and how fucked the English version was compared to the Japanese and French versions.
No. 1843151
>>1843132I just recently played through far cry 6. One of the lesbian couples is a Tif. The entire game is about an insane dictator killing and ruling a small Spanish speaking country, but nah, gotta throw a ftm in there because?? What's worse, they are an
abusive couple. Western devs are just trash
No. 1843751
>>1842284That seems like pretty standard slop though - you can't tell me other people with equivalent (or better, since her writing is famously shit) writing ability aren't doing that too
>>1842332Is this from that faggot Somerton?
No. 1843816
>>1843809As a degenerate who actually reads this manhwa I'm calling bullshit on "I'M A SEX REPULSED ASEXUAL" because this entire series is about porn held together by a very basic slow burn romance. The other plot was an afterthought. Being an oldfag I actually find it hilarious how new generation fujos find their first
problematic series and try to justify finding it hot having grown in such a sanitized coffee shop AU environment kek
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>>1843814I don't know who the burly blond guy on the right is, but I can tell from the thumbnail alone that these characters that are popular with women and girls, especially in shipping circles. and he'll likely try to frame that being attracted to them is racist, he does with non-white male characters as well. I remember him being called out for calling Marco Diaz a "basic white boy" and not authentically Hispanic, despite "jerry" being 1/8th Native American and looking super white as well, after he got pushback he stated spouting that actually "Marco is a transgirl and teenage girls who like him are actually lesbians.
No. 1843897
>>1843816>>1843821You'd think that this generation of nu-fujos who grew up on BL manhwa would've been filtered out by Killing Stalking already lol. I notice that a lot of them, like this youtuber, tend to come from very conservative religious Southeast Asian countries (Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines) which would explain the massive cope when it comes to enjoying
problematic series. I feel bad for woman who grows up in a strict conservative environment and the most accessible alternative is to drink the Western gendie koolaid.
No. 1844191
>>1843821>>1843992can confirm this. i have/had several fujo friends over the years who were drooling over the most "
problematic" and explicit bl content while claiming they were such horribly sex repulsed asexuals. almost all of them come from southeast asian countries, often also muslim countries, and/or have zero self esteem and a bad body image. i'm still close to one of these friends and she constantly whines about people doubting that asexies belong to the acronym even though she's sooo
valid and she even has a (cheap, unironed, aliexpress) asexy pride flag that she wears as a cape to pride parades.
No. 1844594
>>1843814Idk what it was about N from Pokemon that hurt these guys so badly that they still bring him up like he's the boogeyman over 10 years later. Even if you're going for a "nooo women you can't like these
problematic men!" angle he was literally just a rival from a pokemon game kek. Not surprised that a man in fandom spaces is using the tried and true method of yelling racism to stop people from liking a character he does not like.
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fandom artists do this with every black female character, regardless of her actual personality or interactions with the male characters. Progressive racism strikes again
No. 1844844
>>1844834>ah yes, let's make this black woman built like a fucking man with a long ponytail, and carrying her white boyfriend like he's more of a woman than she isI swear to god, "lefties", "SJWs" or whatever they call themselves are the most racist people ever sometimes. These "activists" keep slipping what they
really think of black and other non-white women every time they let their fingers hit the drawing pad or the keyboard.
No. 1844859
>>1844834>>1844844I notice this a lot, regardless of how she is canon, bf characters all get turned into sassy, no-nonsense "mom" characters. There was a great Tumblr post regarding how this affects female characters in general, but it does seem to happen to older or black female characters more often.
who are these two supposed to btw?
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>>1844594>Idk what it was about N from PokemonYumes and fujos like him
>>1844816I think it wasn't a huge amount of people, but there definitely was a sub group of men who hated him for uh…being a pussy because he likes animals I guess.
No. 1844915
>>1844906sometimes i feel lucky that i only consume older media and animeshit because at least i don't have to see my ethnicity being used in culture wars. Also, (i will only be talking about America since it's the heart of the problem here) I think its one thing for Black Americans want better representation in media because they were torn away from their roots against their will and made a completely new culture in the Americas for themselves, but imo other ethnicities don't really have an excuse because we usually have big entertainment industries in our home countries that
do represent us through our own eyes and without western stereotypes. I'm South Asian and barely saw people like me on American TV while growing up, but we had so many Bollywood movies to watch and see people just like us in any genre. Of course, this at least means you know your mother tongue which many first/second gen immigrants are disconnected from, but that's a conversation for a different thread.
No. 1845085
>>1842140>Or else they won't watch it. I am still baffled by the whole "if the characters don't look like me I feel left out" argument for representation. That's just narcissism at this point.It's not about "relating" to a character but having your entire being validated. If you're, for example, a black girl and never see black girls in toys or cartoons despite seeing them a lot around you in real life, that does send a certain message to you. And that message is "you're not presentable". It's not like a hair color or eye color, it's your entire ethnicity that defines a lot of your experience growing up and how the world treats you, it's an immutable identity you're born with and which you can't change. A lot of lesbians also say that they related to male characters growing up because they had romantic relationships with women which made them fall for the gender identity meme growing up, they had internalized the idea that if you like women, you must be a man. This is why representation matters.
>>1844915While I think it's retarded to focus on only the diaspora ethnicities like American-Asian, I also understand how it's a different thing for a second generation immigrant living amidst people who they feel alienated by than for someone who was born and grew up in the mother country never feeling different from everyone else. I have relatives who immigrated to a different country and it's something else to be ashamed of speaking your parents' language growing up because people will tease you for it and call you derogatory names.
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>>1845108>>1845111that's what not at all what's being discussed here, it's about how female characters are often stripped of all personality and character(regardless of what they are like in canon) and turned into "mom's" just the responsible one's, while the male characters are further woobified.
No. 1845123
>>1845105I don't know if this mommyfication happens mostly in western series' fandom because in a lot of weebshit the girls are usually stripped of all the agency they had and bimbofied into little waifus being just cute and funny by either scrotes into that or by women self-inserting. One of the female characters that I like is very aloof and tomboyish and she gets woobified so fucking hard it makes me rage.
But posts like this very often sideline the real issue of female characters in mainstream media not being allowed to be interesting enough to have psychoanalysis twitter threads committed to them. A ton of published authors are still male and their female characters just tend to be boring, one note and void of interesting conflict that isn't gender-specific. For example when Black Widow in Avengers was revealed to be traumatized over her hysterectomy, which of course would be a terrifying experience for a woman for many reasons, but it was basically framed as boohoo of course women naturally need to have children and they feel ripped of their motherhood when they can't what a tragedy. A real fear for many women I suppose, but yet again? Why not something more universal than trauma from rape or infertility? When you watch or read something with an all-female cast the difference is astounding since you can't make every character into token female issues representation anymore but actually make them relatable to everyone, not just a little nudge at all the ladies watching.
No. 1845135
>>1843992>>1843821All
valid but consider that lots of people are just ugly too (men also take care of their appearance less)
>>1843813the proportions are still crazy in other ways but agreed, not too bad
No. 1845153
>>1845144This is what bothers me so much. Most female characters in mainstream circulation are male creations and based on a male interpretation of women,
not living, breathing human females molded by the experience of being born and living as women and thus become likable and interesting as people. It's insanity and complete detachment from reality to measure misogyny by how other women perceive those characters, especially when it all boils down to "you're not writing autistic essays on my waifu's psyche so you hate women!!!!!" and barely ever "you took a strong female character and coomified her into a brainless porn object" like what men usually do, and which would be a much more apt display of misogyny than the slight indifference these people get so mad about.
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>>1845144>>1845153The issue with that logic is that most male characters, especially in mainstream shonen, aren't that deep or complex either. Sure, they get more screen time, but are you going to argue that a character like Naruto has anyone sort of depth to him?
No. 1845373
>>1845217>>1845360Are you stupid or just feigning ignorance to argue the topic in bad faith? It's in the context of one series, not in a broader scale of all forms of entertainment and fiction. Of course someone like Naruto will be dumber and have less depth than a Shakespearean hero or whatever because it's a shitty shounen series meant for teenagers but
in the series' context Sakura is even worse than he is.
No. 1845411
>>1845085First ayrt. My hyper specific ethnicity never been represented but I never felt like my existence is invalid or unpresentable. And the only representation I got of it was from local shows which were too ridiculous and boring for me to care. Some people from my ethnicity made a low budget show in one of the many villages they live in and it went viral, all they did was clowning around because people think their dialect is funny kek. And there was a less hyper specific representation but close enough one who's a super hero in a cartoon made by someone from another country, though it wasn't a bad character tbh, but I still didn't care that it was from my country, I just liked the powers and back story the character had. I feel like representation is an America only thing, where insecure minorities are upset about being minorities and not getting attention, so they invented the while representation thing to feel like they're a majority and in control somehow. I don't think I've seen the representation debate from any other country unless they're copying America. We have tons of ethnicities and different immigrant generations where I come from, but they don't demand representation in tv shows at all, though tbh the shows are too bad for anyone to want to be on it kek. And despite no representation of them, everyone knows about all the different ethnicities and their individual cultures and we didn't need a cartoon or tv show to tell us about them. We don't even study about them in school, we just see them irl and hang out and learn about them and they learn about us. We especially have tons of restaurants owned by different ethnicities and immigrants so we know the food is part of which culture, and some of them have their own isolated regions/neighborhoods with unique buildings so everyone knows x ethnicity lives in y region. We do have some documentaries and news channels shows about that stuff though which I think is the more appropriate place for that kind of discussions, because it's more accurate to real life than a cartoon character can be.
No. 1845430
>>1845411It
is an American thing, it's literally media made by Americans so of course it'll be 2nd/3rd gen immigrants to who it matters to. I honestly don't get this "Well I live in a country where I'm of the majority demographic and
I never wanted representation from American movies or TV series!". You're surrounded by people like you all the time, you speak the language, your family speaks the language, you know the customs, you look like everyone else, you have your own home country produced entertainment. You really don't know how those ethnic minorities in your country see these things and you don't "know their culture" by eating at their restaurants and you never will because you're not one of them. And I say this as an ESL-chan myself, it's so short sighted to have this entitled mindset of considering representation a "bad and cringe" thing, sure it can be that if it's based on fetishization and stereotypes, but to me it rings the same as all the techbros saying how "maybe women should just git gud like us lol" when discussing the underrepresentation of women in STEM.
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>>1845373Sasuke is worse than both of them
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>not allowed to ship characters with age gaps
>not allowed to ship characters with height differences
and now we aren't allowed to ship characters with the same hair color, god I hate these terminally online brain-rotten coomers, who assume blonde hair means the character is some type nymphomaniac, cause of the influence of porn and erotica. it's the same reason every TIM dyes their hair blonde as well.
No. 1845569
I have literally never felt the need to be "represented"? And like
>>1845514 mentioned almost always when my ethnicity or even something minimal like my nationality shows up it's always some cringy shit. I don't care. I usually like tongue-in-cheek cheesy stereotypes (all of the tf2 characters practically) but when it's paired with moralfaggotry I start to hate it. And when it's my ethnicity it's usually worse and sprinkled with moralfagging, and it's clear whoever wrote him or her just skimmed a wikipedia article to boot. So instead of doing that, I'd rather just project and roleplay as the 6ft tall uber powerful dude or an extremely overpowered buff sorceress. We share nothing in common, but that's what makes it fun.
>>1845522>no you DO want to be represented deep down secretly you're just trying to be different!I don't get anon's argument. I understand why it may be demoralizing to never see yourself on media over and over again but for me I personally haven't felt that ache in my chest yet. I'm not hitting quotas on the blizzard racial disparity calculator or some shit. If someone is left out, oh well. I left myself out too.
No. 1845576
>>1845479>I don't give a fuck about feeling represented in a shitty cartoon or racist propaganda movie because I'd like to not be discriminated when job hunting first and I don't want to be told over and over again how people just looove discriminating against me when job hunting while calling me a whore or a sandn*gger behind my back during my free time on top of that.You
do realize that representation is also meant to change the general populus' attitudes towards the more positive so that this wouldn't happen because they would learn to see you as human beings and not savages you can pin the society's problems on? I get being jaded by hatescrolling endless amounts of ~le sjws~ drawing hijabi to pat themselves on the back but dismissing everything as "political mouthpieces" is shooting yourself in the foot. I know I would've wanted to see more people like me in popular culture growing up.
No. 1845626
>>1845576I don't know how to say this but fuck it I'll give you an example. When "qu'est-ce qu'on a fait au bon dieu" is considered by mass media as a positive portrayal of minorities in France you know we're all fucked. Legit the best possible representation I can ever hope to have is from documentaries. Omar Sy fucked off to the US, Sofia Boutella is starring in American big budget movies, the actors and writers who don't make it outside of France get the shittiest, most insulting roles you can think off, and no amount of shitty, cutesy cartoons with PSAs at the end of each episode can compensate for that. You have no idea how Aya Nakamura's international success makes every shitty French TV "celebrity" seethe with envy to the point where they straight up insult her or insult her stage name (she came up with it because she likes the TV show Heroes and her favorite character is Hire Nakamura iirc?) while she's very popular with 2nd and 3rd gen millenial and zoomer immigrants here. There's a huge contrast between the media and real people you can talk to, so what you said works in theory but absolutely no in practice. Even the most weeb shit JRPGs are nicer and sometimes more accurate representations, it's just that bad.
>I get being jaded by hatescrolling endless amounts of ~le sjws~ drawing hijabi to pat themselves on the backMaybe I should have clarified that I wasn't thinking about that kind of representation at all. These drawings are usually made by random people just trying to have fun but with minimal reach. I was thinking about works with an actual audience, that are marketed by professionals.
No. 1845863
>>1845107i kinda agree. I've given hope on any idea of writing or depth for
exmuslims because no one knows how to speak of us as people in the first place. That's why I kinda drifted from fandom, because only real life has what I want. The connection and depth I wanted in media only existed with my loved ones here in the real world. A mixed blessing if you will
No. 1846118
>>1840296I think it goes deeper than that. There aren't a lot of
big 2d/narrative fandoms anymore. Zoomers have largely move to 3D, and is not necessarily a fanaticism for live action series, but rather the actors, who weridly get treated like fictional characters anyways. This was always here but now it feels like the girls who would have been Naruto fans now are kpop fans and treat them exactly like anime (pop anime discussions and discussions were always different in tone even if both were deeply stupid, now they are almost the same)
Also i feel that zoomers speak more on big, broad topics. Like they're not fans of a
book saga they're apart of booktok. Or they're not fans of a tv show but rather a couple of actors. Again, those behaviors always existed but when the majority of the fandom acts like this it negatively affects the levels and quality of the fan production. It's like they're not part of a fandom per se but rather a subreddit-type topic, like booktok, kpop boygroups, ect. Which prevents long-term creation and favors "favor-of-the-month" stuff.
It doesnt help that there is an avertion for oc content in fandoms nowdays. As cringe as they are, they help to keep fanbases alive.
This is at least in female fandom spaces.
On the other hand, male fandom spaces are suffering the opposite. Hyper-nichenization (they're not fans of a video game or anime they're fans of a waifu), micro discords ruled with an iron fist, the same content ad nauseum, ect, all to avoid trannies, who completely infested all non-sporty male communities. This way of fandom also favors AI content, because if you generated that Makima pic the artist is not going to try to put you in lingerie, or put random fag shit, ect. I mention this because I think this is what the future of fandom would be like. Atomized communities consuming AI fanart/AI rp because you simply can't trust your fellow fan
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>>1846434COD artist annoyed a troon by saying this. I am sorry for reposting but it angers me, specially since she locked her account and has been panicking for a while. I imagine troons contacted her employer and are trying to get her fired over it. I hope they dont manage to get her fired, but it's not the first time a woman in concept art has been fired over twitter shit, so it's very possible.
No. 1846569
>>1840536late, but with games the devs are trying to sell individual units upon release, while animation companies are usually shipping an entire season to a network/streaming service (either then airing weekly or available in full), so they're dealing with different kinds of risks and pressures.
There's a lot wrong with AAA game production, and games do get rushed out, but it's also generally pretty comparable to an older idea of animated film production, where you quietly work on and pour money into something for 3-5 years before publishing a finished product (ideally sans bugs). Western animation companies are aiming to reduce production time and put out multiple films a year, and I think that's effecting both the quality and the 'soul' of them. I think that's part of the reason why people don't latch on quite as hard to, say, recent Disney films (which also suffer from Disney essentially being 'too big to fail' at this point).
No. 1846779
>>1846774So real. I was in one that was so
toxic that all the good artists left. It's funny because once the server became inactive due to all the good artists leaving(ofc the catty retards dont draw lol) they started crying over the server being slow. I wish there was a way to find cool women into art, but they seem so rare nowadays it has been ages since i even came across a non gendie female fandom artist.
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>>1846766Holy shit, that is so true. I witnessed a fanfic writer get dog piled on tumblr by TIFs, genderspecials, and SJW teenage girls because the writer said she didn't want to write fics for trannies or males. Call out posts after call out posts and harassment all because she didnt want to writer self insert fics for trannies and scrotes. Women and teenage girls will gang up and run other women out of fandoms over the absolute most trivial fucking things, it is batshit. It's like the hen pecking order that you see in chickens, but cranked up to eleven. It's unbelievable that no matter what fandom, intense virtue signaling with unneeded politics will always be like a priority in female-dominated fandoms. Meanwhile, in male-dominated fandoms? They just focus on the fucking media itself and will give
way less fucks about trying to make their space seem perfectly SJW-tier friendly. I wish that for every single female-dominated fandom or for any fandom at all, there was a "
terf"y version of it where women just don't give a fuck about being nice to trannies and write whatever they want without the genderspecial BS going on in their writing and tags.
No. 1846797
>>1846790Sad part is that even if there was a signal, moids (trannies) would immediately figure it out and try to dox any woman with the signal.
>>1846793>no pronounsThis might work. Only issue is that even non-terfs will use no pronouns in bio.
No. 1846801
>>1846694>>1846774god this shit is tiring. I'm lucky I guess that I've got a good handful of female artist friends who I can trust to give honest and helpful critique, but we've tried so many times to join servers together and the female-only/dominated ones are always such a pain and eventually cause us to ditch, especially fandom or ship centred art servers- the fights and bullshit that would happen if you didn't ascribe to the right headcanons/fanon or even just liked multiple ships blew me away kek.
Male-dominated servers (or just mixed) that allowed nsfw were also a shit-show of course, but in a much more boring way, I guess.
>>1846783Speaking of trivial things, I've seen fanfic authors who write gendie versions of ships start snidely shit-talking popular authors that generally stick to canon in their shipping fics or write too 'safe and formulaic' kek, it's ridiculous. No actual callouts that I've seen, but give it time.
No. 1846891
>>1846800i saw that account before and was happy there was a gl account for once that explicitly didn't pander to trannies. i was surprised to see it was still up with a couple hundred followers with seemingly no issues too. it was only a matter of time troons got to the account, guess it was too good to be true. did she deactivate?
>>1846793seen some cryptos have the venus symbol in their bio too, i rarely see gendies use it unless it's the double venus symbol
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>>1845430>>1845411This reminds me of a discussion we had a few thread back. It's something Kidology talked about in one of her videos, which is the a lot of '
POC creators' and their diverse voices and material is kinda BS because all of these people are uber-westernized and from the upper-middle classes and are basically the same as any sort of liberal westerner. Like a few months back, I read Jasmine Throne(it was praised on booktok for being this excellent Indian queer story) but nothing about the book is "Indian" because it's just various vague aesthetics and some common cultural know-how that has entered the cultural zeitgeist. All I got from that book was that it was written by someone very ignorant of South Asian history, and there's absolutely nothing morally wrong with that. 99.9% of people in South Asia would not care, what I personally take issue with is the fact the book was being lauded as telling an authentic Indian story by a queer Indian author. The writer is a British Indian woman. this idea that you can comment on culture, even your own heritage, without actually doing any sort of research, and it gets praised as authentic by these morons is insane to me.
The worst cases of these would be people like xiran, who basically spread absolute BS like picrel. I don't think they believe they are lying either, they are just that in denial of reality.
No. 1846922
>>1846801> I've seen fanfic authors who write gendie versions of ships start snidely shit-talking popular authors that generally stick to canon in their shipping fics or write too 'safe and formulaic' kek, it's ridiculous. They're just asshurt the kudos/comment ratio for their gendie tranny fics are abysmal compared to the regular ship (het/BL/GL) fics. It all boils down to jealousy that their disgusting fics will never beat out non-trannoid ones. Stay salty.
And maybe it's my own bias, but usually the gendie fics are almost always written horribly.
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>>1846433>>1846436>>1846454>It's always ugly, insecure TIFs with disgusting fetishes who ruin things for everyone.picrel is the tif who made the callout post. kek i can't with this shit.
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>>1847040i genuinely dont get it. Before it used to be that only characters that looked and acted like children and were made for the purpose of being coombait were shota/loli. So, pico from boku no pico would be shota, but something like the south park boys, who were voiced by grown men and said peepeepoopoo, or naruto/ash werent. Or at least that's how it felt to me. I mostly drew ZaDr, pokemon ships, and south park ships when i was in my late teens early 20s and i never considered myself a shotacon. I guess every underage character is shota/loli now regardless of the intent, which is weird because 99% of anime is 15yo girls with gigantic bouncy tits how the fuck are zoomers able to be weebs if most anime would be cp to them? I dont get it kek i need a zoomie to explain it to me
No. 1847052
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>>1847003>mentally ill woman wants to be a man because of internalized misogyny>identifies as a man now>still craves interests that are popular for women, like art and writing>go into these spaces as a "man" and demand the women to make these spaces more male centered to accommodate for internalized misogyny and new identity>see women enjoying their own art and talent to create their idealized version of men>feel hyper insecure and threatened because deep down inside, the self-hating woman will never be a beautiful man or even a real one>harass and try to doxx female artists under the guise of it being "about inclusivity" when it's really about insecurityWhy do TIFs think they can have their cake and eat it too? If they identify as men, they need to do their ritual and go play football or some shit instead of trying to hog and boss women's spaces even while they're trying to be men.
No. 1847058
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>>1847003the age old war between the selfhating fujotroon vs the confident fujostacy.
No. 1847060
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on good news, russian stacy unlocked her account, changed her name to clownphobic, and is using a chad meme as pfp.
No. 1847069
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she pinned this thing russian nonnies please i need to know what the fuck it means keeek
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>>1847069just a song about wokeness and canceling with the most stright forward lyrics, in english -
https://en.myfavouritelyrics.com/sqwoz_bab/gender/ No. 1847143
>>1847069Meh, she was pretty clearly looking for drama from the start and several threads turning into fat people sperging just made me more annoyed than anything.
I think the fakeboi who bitched at her was extremely cringe but seeing this drama in multiple threads is pretty annoying.
No. 1847169
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>>1847157Do what you please, I personally just find it to be incredibly stupid.
with that being said I genuinely find a lot of chubby anime guys much cuter than the generic cod guys she draws anyway No. 1847309
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>>1847308I actually like lithe boys best, but either way I don't see how that detracts from my point of several threads being derailed by anas screaming about fatties is annoying.
No. 1847335
>>1847316Agreed.
>>1847324Moids are already bad enough, but defending fat and/or ugly ones is unforgiveable. TIFs should not be coddled just because they're women.
No. 1847398
>>1847169lmao shut the fuck up fatty enjoyer killjoy,
victims of the tranny moob always apologize so its based she just owned it and rolled with it, specially since she's a professional concept artist and her career is at risk.
(infighting) No. 1847446
>>1846694>>1846774>What fascinates me about the female side of fandom is that it's both extremely hostile and incredibly fake-sweet>Art servers are like the peak of some of the worst womens behaviour I've seen onlineIt's fascinating how female-dominated fandom spaces can mirror the absolute worst parts of female socialization you encounter irl but times a hundred - fake niceness, cliquishness, mean girl behavior, bullying via social ostracization, intense peer pressure to keep up outward appearances and other forms of toxicity unique to female spaces. Since fandom spaces attract nerds and outcasts, you'd think they'd be more open-minded but no, I swear the loudest autists, TIFs, NLOGs and handmaidens secretly want to live out their own queen bee power fantasies since they were shunned or unpopular growing up. The main difference is that it's not socially acceptable for women to express ourselves directly or assertively, so they rely on moralfagging, purity culture, ostracization, and emotional manipulation to keep other women in line. For example the TIF in
>>1847003 is basically pull a big guilt trip to sic people on the Russian artist. In a male space, the TIF would just be told to fuck off and no one would bat an eye but female socialization means women have to pretend to care about her feelings.
No. 1848106
>>1847685>she shouldn't have been looking for drama on a twitter connected to her professionShe wasn't. People whinged at her art because of her not trying pig-disgusting fat moids so she drew and commented what she did. It's not her fault her superior art draws the ire of the troons and/or the obese. Don't
victim blame or make excuses for these TIFs
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Is it that hard to keep your fandom-based brain-rot away from actual children? And for everyone accusing me of looking too into this, all these comments are by pro-ship accounts.
No. 1848506
>>1847916 >>1847953
I don't know, I am really into HP ff and even though there is disgusting coom stuff there are also a lot of good ones imo. I haven't been lucky with finding the ships/characters I want on Wattpad where all I get recommended are 10 year old unfinished fics and this stupid omegaverse shit.
No. 1848549
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>>1848537You gotta be weary with the marauder shipping fanfics though. A lot of the new ones being made are written by people that got into those ships from tiktok edits (specifically wolfstar and James/Regulus). It's pretty noticeable when you see that trans regulus and trans remus are the most common trans tags in the HP tag.
No. 1848581
>>1847916Speaking as someone who reads smutfics
The options nowadays are basically
>Troonshit>Stuff that sounds interesting but is in ChineseI was looking for twewy fics yesterday and I pretty quickly went to the oldest ones because I didn't want Neku or Joshua to have a vagina.
With that being said all older fics written by men are just blatant poorly written self insert fics.
No. 1848600
>>1848581Sometimes I'm reminded of the fact that moids
can write fanfiction and it's so weird to me. Because we have to write fanfics since we need to make the shit we want to see, meanwhile, moids are always catered to and have so many options to choose from, why would they write fanfics? It's just bizarre, like a clock going backwards or upside down stairs going to a window that goes straight to a toilet.
No. 1848603
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>>1848600>why would they write fanfics?Autism
No. 1848688
>>1848600nah, there are moids with fetishes or special interests specific enough that they attempt to produce their own content. as you would expect, the quality is bottom of the barrel trash. scrote-authored porn fic on ao3 stands out like a sore thumb because the subject matter, descriptions and writing just scream porn brained moid. as much as anons in this thread complain about the abundance of smut these days, none of that content is as foul as the stuff scrote fic writers come up with. some ways you can clock a moid written coom fic:
>seems innocuous at first but the subject matter is so fucking specific and autistic it has to be someone's fetish fulfillment, eg a lucky star / earthbound crossover where all the girls are forced to have beehive hairdos>if not autistic wish fulfillment, it reads like a catalog of the most extreme porn categories possible like bestiality, scat, etc. >no couplings, just the girls getting gang raped by mob characters>if canon male characters appear, they're self-inserts for the male reader>futa galore No. 1848697
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>>1848688Crossovers in particular are a scrote magnet, I guess an element of it comes from power levelfagging? But a lot of them are just so it's easier to self insert.
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>>1848695To be fair not like it's that great in China either, since they can literally send you to jail over BL.
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>>1848764Not always. Crackships can be part of the same series, and sometimes they're the most popular ship in their fandom!
No. 1848821
>>1848697Sometimes I feel like crossover fics are just the result of people who are too autistic to understand what an AU is or how to write one kek.
That or it's raw retardation like that horny arena fic that's a crossover of everything under the sun.
On the topic of crossovers, I kinda miss the days of superwholock- sure, it was annoying as fuck, but it was also really funny and dweeby in a way I don't feel like I've seen much of lately. There was also that period on tumblr when people were doing mega-crossovers between all the recent disney/pixar/dreamworks films that were popular on the site at the time (the shipping and subsequent slapfights were hilarious).
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>>1848697makes sense, powerlevelfagging is classic autism catnip and crossovers are basically a way of amassing a harem of the author's favorite waifus. what kills me though is when the source materials have abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with each other and it's so obvious that the fic is an exercise in self-indulgence. even better when the author treats it like srs bsns. goes to show that moids are creatively bankrupt even when they try to make content.
>>1848785behold nona! and there's more where that came from if you want to read inflation fetish fic. the author is a minor personal cow of mine. he doesn't do anything notable (so no early chris-chan antics here) but he just goes about his daily life tending to his autistic fetish fuel fan creations. the kicker is that he treats his fanfic like serious business as if its his full time job, and he seems to be unemployed and lives off his parents.
No. 1848852
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This actually made me want to look up the longest fan-fictions just for the sake of it, and I love how you can tell which ones were clearly written by scrtoes and which ones by women(regardless of how they might identify as)
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>>1848821>There was also that period on tumblr when people were doing mega-crossovers between all the recent disney/pixar/dreamworks films that were popular on the site at the time (the shipping and subsequent slapfights were hilarious).I used to be really into Disney princess tumblr, it was one of the nicer f/f fandoms on the internet
until scrotes ruined it with Elsa/Anna incest No. 1848934
>>1848892aww, miss gif edits like that.
Sad that it got ruined for you, f/f ships seem like a nightmare to find good content/spaces for- a lot of the time it's either all scroteshit or by women who are into it only as a vector for activism or other performative reasons.
No. 1849096
>>1840308Osamu Tezuka
wasn't only into vore but he was a huge fan of Disney, Astro Boy is his version of Pinocchio.
No. 1849099
>>1848852Genuine question, how does this happen? I'm a writer and I cannot imagine writing so much in such a short space of time. Especially the fic where the author was putting out 10k+ chapters every other day, surely at that point the majority of the fic is pointless gibberish filler? To anyone that's read any of these fics, are they any good?
Slightly OT but I'm glad the trend of circlejerking over word count isn't as much of a thing anymore. People would use their high word count as proof that their fic is good or it would even get used in the 'fics are better than published fiction' argument, when the reason published fiction is shorter is because they usually have editors that tell them to cut back on unneeded content, including culling full chapters.
No. 1849128
>>1848506HP is unique. A lot of the writers are adults who have been writing fic for over a decade so they had a lot of time to get better even if they weren't very good when they started.
I wish there was a way to filter by author age. You could just ignore everything written by teens.
>>1848600Fanfiction wasn't always associated so strongly with women. I'm old but it used to be much more even in terms of male/female writer ratio and this started changed in the late 2000s. Men write/wrote more genfic (non romance). As a teen a lot of my fanfic friends/fellow writers were teen boys, they just wrote stuff about their favorite characters going on adventures and doing crossovers with other series and they liked doing OC tourneys. I don't think this type of teen guy exists anymore and why would it? If they go on Ao3 they're gonna see lots of stuff like lovey-dovey coffeeshop AUs and weird mpreg fanfic or whatever and decide the hobby isn't for them so I think the male fanfic writers that currently exist either write porn or if they don't they are oldfags from the old days and they're posting on sufficientvelocity or spacebattles.
No. 1849138
>>1848645>>1839404>>1839325Same, an anime would be nice (only with a British dub though). It will never happen.
>There's even a tournament arc.kek
No. 1849184
>>1849128I'm still in a few (old) fandoms that attract that type of male writer, and honestly it's a bit of a godsend as someone who both likes to read and write adventure and genfic (and would like to eventually write and publish similarly styled original work), as it can be harder to find people who'll discuss that sort of storytelling in fandoms that are 99% romance-focused in their fic output. I also like harder sci-fi, which is often better done by male fans (unless it's too autistic lol)– not saying there are no excellent female hard sci-fi authors out there, but they can be pretty rare in fandom spaces. Sad.
I also have nothing against romance or even some smut btw, I just prefer reading works that feel more like canon in style/storytelling or explore the single character that I'm fixating on– shipping fics can do these things, of course, but a lot of them don't or, as other anons have mentioned, treat everything more like a hyper-simplified trope/aesthetic rather than the actual characters and setting, in a very ooc way. Just not my cup of tea.
No. 1849365
>>1849361I don't think any of them genuinely believe some 25-year old woman writing about 15-year old anime teenagers is "
problematic", they've just been groomed by society to hate adult women and whatever they do that isn't explicitly moid pandering. The same people cancelling fujo fanfic writers will grovel in front of an adult woman calling her mommy if she's sexually gratuitous enough. You could be writing about two 18-year olds having the most wholesome and PC relationship ever and you'd still be called
problematic for other reasons, like Alice Oseman who was bragging about creating gay representation much better than Japanese BL with her shitty heartstopper tripe ended up being shunned by that crowd despite jumping through literally every hoop they put up for her.
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I have been sorely reminded that men genuinely can't into shipping and romance if it doesn't involve copius amounts of sex and coom. They'll say they are a fan of a ship but when you see them talk about it, it's all coom and how the male character can fuck and humiliate the female one. I hate myself and am a retard for falsely believing otherwise.
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This might be a little too presumptuous, but fandom culture has unironically convinced me that sexuality is innate, rigid, and something we cannot change. What we think of as fluid sexuality is actually porn-induced pseudo-bisexuality, not actual attraction.
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>>1849258nah, those are just yumejos in disguise. narutard yumejos love to project onto sakura and to a lesser extent, tenten and hinata. sasuke x hinata is technically a crackship (zero interaction in the OG series) but i guarantee you the fans are sasukefags who liked hinata more than sakura. tenten is a literal nobody which makes her perfect to as a self-insert vessel for neji fans.
crack ships need to have a "WTF" factor as well, which is easier to to achieve when you can freely mix and match series, inanimate objects and real people. like the best thing to come out of killing stalking, obama x sangwoo
>After weeks of trying Obama finally manages to shift into the killing stalking universe where he meets his one true love. Can these two make things work even though they are from two different worlds?? Keep reading to find out. Also we uncover the secret everyone is dying to know. What is Obama's last name?!?!! No. 1849529
>>1849507Couple of my male friends get into shipping when they find a dynamic interesting enough, not even in a coom way either. They'll talk about themes and write character studies and discuss how their ship could strengthen the story if it were real. They'll even champion m/m pairings over canon m/f or f/f ones if they find them more interesting/endearing. We laugh about how they're more into the romance of it all than me kek, shipping is a struggle for me.
Also yeah, rag on men all you like, but c'mon don't pretend that there aren't plenty of women who engage in fandom purely for the coom lol (not even saying that they're wrong for it, just that they do)
No. 1849541
>>1849532nta but have you ever seen those silly internet arguments about who would win/be the strongest out of goku, superman, and saitama? That kind of shit (at least I assume that's what she was referring to).
imo while that stuff is pretty dumb, especially when it involves multiple franchises, hashing out a hypothetical combat scenario can be fun, especially if the characters have interesting abilities rather than plain big numbers
No. 1849629
>>1849606nta but sounds more like she's talking about people who claim to be gay/whatever due to or as supported by their fan media consumption/interests, only to have those interests reflect the fact that they really are straight/the sex they were born as/horny. Not that actual homosexual people don't exist naturally or anything.
At least, that's what I got from it kek
No. 1849744
>>1849500basically what
>>1849603 said.
No. 1849765
>>1849507Does shipping in harems count?
It's usually seen more like a sport, you have a waifu you coom/bet on and if she wins, great. "I win with my waifu". If she loses the author is shit the main character is shit everything is shit, she would've won.
The male character's actual personality or the dynamics of the relationship don't matter and I've seen men twist and headcanon their way into their waifu winning.
If anything men will get more mad the more personality and taste the male character has, and ironically contribute it to the author self inserting in bad taste.
No. 1849786
>>1849606nta but most people
are hetero, that's literally a fact, and it includes fandoms. Don't tell me you believed the "lesbian/bi they/she in bio" girls were for real kek
No. 1849824
>>1849796>1/5You are greatly overestimating the number of sexual minorities. It's like 5% of the population. Nowhere near 20%. It's a trend to be anything but straight right now, there are tons of liars.
>Lesbians and bisexuals are over-represented here, does that mean that most of them are lying and actually straight? Sure there are actual lesbians and bi girls on here but not that many. The fakers may not necessarily be lying out of malice, just genuinely confused
>I don’t doubt there are fakers, but there are probably just as many people faking being straight. Not on the Internet. There is way, way more incentive to lie about being gay on the Internet
No. 1849830
>>1849824…They’re still going to use the internet? Do you think people who can’t come to terms with their sexuality don’t use the internet?
I’m guessing you have some sort of muh biology reasoning for thinking like this. I think if I can find a group of friends that consists of bisexual and lesbian girls (and yes we have sex and date other women…) it’s clearly higher than 5%.
Also, you’re not very good at concealing your typing style. You’re clearly the “woman don’t get sexually assaulted in first world countries” male from the vent thread.
No. 1849837
>>1849801How the hell does she reconcile one of the most porn-brained, heterosexual (literally baby making propaganda), pseudo-intellectual anime to ever exist with her gendie views? Liberal feminists, always doing gold medal worthy mental gymnastics.
This is tangential but as much as we like to shit on genderspecials here, libfems who try to peddle their milquetoast “younger female protag with older moid” maledom age gap romances as groundbreaking feminist artistic expression don’t get enough shit. I see people shilling series like Lore Olympus, The Love Hypothesis or whatever new Reylo fanfic got published as feminist pieces when they’re literally the same dynamics as Twilight, 50 Shades, etc but repackaged for zoomer audiences. I wouldn’t care if they were forthright about enjoying Mary Sue self insert fantasies but it’s peak liberal feminist delusion to pretend like romances with scrotes in higher positions of power are somehow empowering feminist expressions. Again, it’s just the same old romance tropes repackaged for Gen Z so don’t pretend like its innovating. The people who benefit from the “fanfic to publishing” pipeline and “file off the serial numbers” approach are by and large heterosexual romance writers so they can’t pretend like their fanfic writing is groundbreaking activism.
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>>1849837xirian commissioned art of the characters in her book doing a coomer meme. It's so retarded than even in books written by so called feminists they female protagonist still has to be serviceable for men. These women never write a female kirito, they always have to make the female protagonist big titted and beautiful because they are pickmes with a coat of libfem paint who havent done enough inner work to deconstruct that part of them that tells them they need to be beautiful(by moid standars) to be respected.
No. 1849863
>>1849861Why would being a newfag make me clueless about people’s sexualities kek. This discussion is so crazy to me, I can’t believe people really think pretty much everyone is straight. Are you het and just never ask?
And my friend group isn’t small, it’s like 10 people. Most of the women I interact with are bi or gay. Maybe this is a generation thing, I’m 19 and live in London.
No. 1849866
>>1849603In my own personal experience I get so annoyed when I see (often underage and terminally online troons or polilez) people talking about how dare women read BL it's sooo weird and fetishizing, why not give GL a try? It's gay too! As if the majority of nerdy women weren't straight women attracted to good looking men so they would rather read about hot men falling in love with each other and fucking rather than women falling in love with each other and… idk it seems like most yuri doesn't have much sex? And everytime I see someone talking about "
toxic yuri" it might as well not exist because they always give the same "A is jealous of B and tries to steal her bf but they kiss at the end" example without even naming a specific story. Why would I waste my free time forcing myself to read something I don't care about? Just because I don't want 15yo tards on twitter to call me "gross" and "weird" just because I'm a grown straight woman who doesn't want to read or see women kissing and being kawaii uguu around each other? Nah lol.
No. 1849896
>>1849393>>1849507Men absolutely do ship but from what I’ve seen they don’t really get into it unless the conditions are just right. Even on a shallow level like they find it sad when the MC doesn’t have a girl or get a girl; in which case they aren’t concerned with strong character writing, so long as the girl is pretty and nice they can be satisfied with that.
You see more ship autism when there’s a larger female cast because it means there’s more chances of the male viewer forming a clear favorite and likewise more chances for the MC to end up with a girl they really don’t like. Ryoko Vs Ayeka debates are a classic and it was absolutely not just women arguing about who Tenchi should have ended up with. Mass effect is another good example given the large variety of romantic options.
Men just tend not to write fanfic or other content based on shipping but they will discuss it if conditions are write. The easiest way to get them to speed out about it is if you insist on the MC ending up with someone they hate.
No. 1849901
>>1849606AYRT, I meant what
>>1849629 said. I worded it retarded even though I was repeating a post in the last thread, lmao.
>>1849866Yeah, you're the exact kind of person those people try to target to "try out" different genres even though it's obvious why you aren't interested. Fandom went from being all about "don't like, don't read" to becoming increasingly allergic to the concept people have different tastes.
No. 1849905
>>1849893they think it's another quirky way of defining yourself, jsut like zodiac signs and mbti and whatever the fuck.
Ten years ago they would have been like "tee hee im a district 12 ravenclaw/slytherin from house stark" now it's gender/sexuality.
No. 1849929
>>1849842Xiran’s Mary Sue self insert just drives home the point that you can’t escape female socialization and external beauty standards, even in a space like fandom which is shilled as a bastion of women’s empowerment. No surprise - women’s power fantasies still make them conventionally beautiful and desirable to men because most of these women still deeply internalize the male gaze and crave male approval, even if they claim otherwise. Male power fantasy inserts don’t need to be attractive to be deemed worthy of being respectable or lovable; they only need to be strong. If these libfems really want to make a groundbreaking feminist statement why don’t they actually write a
femcel protagonist who’s legitimately undesirable but is loved in spite of that?
This is just petty internet psychology but I notice a lot of these women who make these coombait self inserts aren’t exactly lookers or are pretty plain (Xiran lol) so I always wondered how they cope with the disconnect from reality. Its surprisingly especially when you consider the Western trend of “muh representation!!!11” and making everyone as ugly as humanly possible. Another interesting observation is that while a lot of pickmes like to make their self-inserts giga Stacies, it’s also common for them to create or project onto self inserts who are pretty enough to be aspirational, but not too beautiful that they feel intimidating (eg Bella Swan, Anastasia Steele)
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>>1849929>If these libfems really want to make a groundbreaking feminist statement why don’t they actually write a femcel protagonist who’s legitimately undesirable but is loved in spite of that? fuck i know its cringe as fuck but you seriously dont know how much i yearn for a female power fantasy thats a R63 of what moids get. Being a yume with femdom tendencies that isnt into yaoi is so hard because most romances are either vanilla boring shit or
>>1849837 just let me have one anime or manga or game where the female protagonist is a loser who gets reeincarnated as a lvl 500 unbeatable swordswoman who gets a harem of cute boys and gets to defeat some demon king and become queen of whateverfantasyshitname land. I know it's petty but it makes me so angry women are predominantly into maledom stuff because i havent been able to find one(1) manga or anime or book or show that catters to my interests and it makes me feel so alienated. Even if i make it myself i feel it would be extremely unpopular since women seem to genuinely like when moids are aggressive and gross and their self inserts are meek and retarded.
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>>1849863>I can’t believe people really think pretty much everyone is straight>I'm 19I actually feel bad for you kek why would you post this??
No. 1849960
>>1849929I agree with your second paragraph but not so much the first. Guys want their self inserts to at least be attractive per male standards of beauty so even if women wouldn’t realistically be falling over themselves for the characters the male viewership at least doesn’t think the lead looks ugly. Whether the popular taste is for aspirational male beauty or being ‘relatable’ seems to vary in fashion and culture but outright ugly male characters often get rejected by male audiences too. Examples:
>Beast BoyA lot of guys hated the idea of Raven ending up with BB because he was too ugly for her and this turned into general dislike
>Default Ryder in Mass Effect AndromedaGot dunked on by guys for not being as cool and attracting as default male Shepard from the OG series
>Daemon from BorutoHated because he destroys the power scaling of the Narutoverse and earlier implications Naruto’s daughter mind end up with him which invited screeching about how he was too hideous to be in her presence
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>>1849960>Guys want their self inserts to at least be attractive per male standards of beauty every single male self insert looks like this and they are all depicted as losers who get a harem out of nowhere, now compare these basic bitches to xirian's big titty caked in makeup mary sue
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>>1849960Yeah, people make fun of the "balck hair" mcs, but at worst they're always meant to be slightly more than average on the scale of attraction, even Kirito is meant to be "small boy trying to be edgy but coming off as cute."
No. 1849978
>>1849970The thing is … they’re still not ugly. These guys are plain but none of them are ugly. Also none of them have glasses I don’t know why they hate eyeglasses so much kek
I think westerners care more about having actually ugly self inserts while Asian audiences want the leads to at least look acceptable if not exceptional.
No. 1849980
>>1849936My condolences, nona. SA from
>>1849929and
>>1849837, I’m primarily a fujo but I do dabble in yumefagging from time to time so I fully support you. It’s not cringe to want the female equivalent of dumb moid power fantasy isekai harem shit - and the true equivalent, not some beautiful all along bullshit. I’m surprised that more women don’t realize this asymmetry, but hey, we are also in the era where genderspecial shit flourishes so the pro-moid koolaid is strong. It’s all the more motivation for me to git gud at art so I can make actual femgaze husbando content. Yumes and fujos need not fight, for the true enemies are pickmes, troons and moids.
No. 1849990
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>>1849978they are depicted as ugly in the show, as losers who no one wants. Ofcourse no one is truly ugly in animu since its such a generic style, but they are considered ugly loser incels in canon. There are actually heinous male mc anyways, like pic rel. Also, stuff like
>>1849977 isnt supposed to show the character as attractive in the same way big titty mary sue is, they are supposed to be depicted as ''cool'', not sexy. It's like how men think connan is hot af when in reality he's a power fantasy of what men find attractive. And arararagi is the exception to the rule anyways. Women dont find tits attractive because it shows you are fit and cool, it's because it makes them desireable to moids.
No. 1849996
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>>1849984I am workings towards that, but i just know it's going to be played by 3 people at best. At this point i have accepted most women like VNs where they are put into cages by psycho bishies.
No. 1850011
>>1849990That’s what I said nona. If they were actually, truly depicted as ugly the male viewership wouldn’t accept them. It’s fine for other characters in the show to say the character is ugly but it’s not fine to
actually show it. These characters are rarely depicted as being slobs, having eyeglasses or braces or having facial hair (which they seem to dislike on young characters), and they’re almost never short unless the story is explicitly about size gap shit. Most of the anime is adapted from manga that in many cases has more unique art styles but even in both mediums the characters are generally not shown with ‘ugly’ facial features. The ‘common’ anime art style is chosen in part because it nullifies the potential for characters who are more distinct but potentially unattractive. So in the end even the loser male self insert looks inoffensively plain.
That’s also kind of a Japanese thing iirc Chinese and Korean male self inserts are more likely to be explicitly stated and shown to be conventionally attractive.
No. 1850015
>>1849978Exactly, none of the characters in
>>1849970are attractive. They’re not hideous, but they’re just supposed to represent your everyday Japanese moid. The only reason they’re not butt ugly is because Asian culture in general is more looks-conscious than Western culture so they’re not butt ugly, just average at best. The only self-insert harem protags I can think of that actually appealed to female viewers are the aforementioned Araragi (who has more personality than your average harem protag) and Subaru (apparently Re:Zero has a lot of fujo ship bait).
No. 1850027
>>1850019Should probably make clear, I don't necessarily disagree with your point, just with that example.
Iirc the author did go on to attempt a reverse harem, Pretty Boy Detective Club, but the anime missed the mark a bit, at least imo.
No. 1850040
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>>1850011Except they are depicted as ugly in the context of the show. They are all ugly incels meant to represent the failmale who reads the story. I watched a shit ton of harem shit when i was younger because i liked to project and r63 the characters in my head and the whole fantasy is an ugly perverted otaku failmale getting tons of pretty big titted anime girls. Also, a lot of them have glasses. No idea why you keep pretending they dont. They also dont have braces because braces arent common in japan kek, and they dont have beards because 99% of them are high schoolers. Even then, it still doesnt negate the point that female self inserts are always depicted as moidgazey in some way or another, even the mc of princess jellyfish couldnt just be a loser ugly mc she had to be ''beautified''.
No. 1850057
>>1850028>Dark Schneider from Bastard!This one will always crack me up because he's absolutely deranged and to this day I still can't believe Bastard was in the Shonen Jump of all magazines from how trashy it can get, DS is the exact opposite of a gentleman, he's NOT cute unless you count his stupid shota alter ego, he doesn't even have a sympathetic, sad backstory to explain why he's like that, but all the women I know who read the manga love him
me included. It's like a collective guilty pleasure. I guess it's because he's so slutty he's hard to take seriously and he's butt naked far more often than any of the female characters so it compensates. And the whole story is beyond absurd too.
I wish I could post the chapter cover where he's naked in chains and some random stuff barely covers his dick to prove my point but I don't remember which chapter it's from. No. 1850060
>>1850050Speaking of, just recently I read about a female author of an anime romcom tweeting on how she wanted the anime staff to draw her mc with nipplss but they refused to.
The world is a cruel and unfair place.
No. 1850076
Fwiw Ive watched about half of
>>1849970 and none of them were written as ugly in context, average/nondescript at worst.
Top left has a fan club.
No. 1850101
>>1850084I guess it must be the other half, then. I can't recall any of the ones I've watched, at least.
Durarara and Devil is a Part Timer maybe? But in those contexts it was meant as just a way to insult them, rather than being true.
No. 1850122
>>1850057That’s how I’ve always seen it explained. For some fans it must be because he also looks like a slutty Inuyasha lol. Maybe the story being so batshit that you can’t take it seriously also helps, fanservice is worse when the story expects you to take it seriously as if it were actually artistic or something.
>>1850061You’re correct about budget. I’ll contend that manga doesn’t have those same constraints which is why the art styles can be more varied but you’ll still rarely see outright ugly male leads despite more detail and realistic presentation.
No. 1850131
>>1850092Yes, that is true.
>>1850124It's from one of the movies, Kizumonogatari part 2 I think?
No. 1850134
>>1850129The new villainess reincarnation stuff is basically isekai with different presentation and more of it is getting adapted now fwiw
I actually like Bakarina (the manga), too bad the anime sucked.
No. 1850155
>>1850074No one doubts the existence of autists into obscure and bizarre husbandos, just wanted to point out that the moid power fantasy self-insert protags that actually garner female attention have some kind of appeal, whether it’s entertaining characterization or fujobait.
Anyways even if shitty harem protags aren’t butt ugly (and on the rare occasion get female fans) it doesn’t change the fact that the design of female vs male protagonists is a stark reminder that a woman’s desirability and respectability is still tied to her physical appearance and her capacity to appeal to men.
And it’s not even an isekai thing per se, isekai is just the most egregious example. Isekais at least have to pretend to have a storyline but moid gaze hentai doesn’t even bother which is why those faceless self-insert protagonists are a dime a dozen. There’s no shortage of hentai of featuring girls getting fucked by ugly old moids too so it’s not even just a wish fulfillment or self insert thing, scrotes love seeing women get humiliated. Meanwhile the scant femgaze hentai that does exist often draws the female protagonist in the same pornified manner as moid gaze hentai. It’s no wonder so many female fans take the fujo path because we can’t avoid the male gaze even in the media that’s meant for us.
No. 1850159
>>1849896Got to add that Naruto is a good modern example of this. Tell a bunch of guys that Naruto should have ended up with Sakura and they’ll pull out screeds about why Hinata was better (or why he should have ended up with Ino or something). Meanwhile the guys who do like Sakura (they exist) are extremely defensive over her and have their own screeds prepared to defend their fair maiden’s honor.
Boruto is just as bad despite the fandom being smaller in part because Kishi got worse at writing women if you could believe it.
No. 1850160
>>1850136I read the official French translation like 15 years ago and just a few years ago I read the rest online but I don't remember on which website.
>>1850122>For some fans it must be because he also looks like a slutty Inuyasha lolI've never read or watched Inuyasha so I have no frame of reference, what do they have in common besides the long, soft white hair?
No. 1850169
>>1850162>>1850159Anytime I've seen any really intense back and forth shipping drama in the Naruto fandom, it's been between women arguing over which old, irrelevant ship is better than the other despite the writing for all of them being half-assed. Arguing over the pettiest shit to, regardless of if their ship is canon or not. Men might chime in from time to time, but most of the drama in that shipping fandom is female centric.
Naruto might have the worst shipping fandom out of all the Shonen I've come across so far. Which is funny because it was actually quite tame when the series was still ongoing.
No. 1850185
>>1850180Boruto’s existence is part of it because you see how the relationships turned out. Sakura and Sasuke’s marriage is terrible so people who liked SasuSaku felt betrayed and let down and the people who liked NaruSaku primarily for Sakura feel like they lost out on a better alternative for their favorite characters. Guys that liked NaruSaku hate Bort and are happy he wouldn’t have been born if Naruto had gotten with Sakura.
If you are unaware: in Boruto Sasuke is sent out on a mission that lasts 10 years. He misses his daughter’s entire childhood and Sakura raises their child as a single mother basically. Sasuke also declined to keep in touch with Sakura in all that time despite staying in touch with Naruto. Pretty sure it’s implied he only visited Sakura to bang.
No. 1850195
>>1850178Sasuke is babby’s first anime crush for many a female weeb and he’s a female gaze character so it’s unsurprising there’s many a Narutard who uses Sakura as a self-insert. I noticed that SasuSaku fans tend to come in three main flavors
>Sasukefags who use Sakura as a self insert to be with their husbando>Sakura fans who may or may not care for Sasuke and treat him like a prize for their self insert vessel of choice>people who are a combo of 1 and 2 There definitely is a self-insert aspect since it’s not uncommon for SasuSaku shippers to hate Hinata and NaruHina despite the fact that ship doesn’t get in the way. I suspect it’s because Sakurafags see Hinata as a rival for the most prominent female in the series (yeah they both suck) and they see Naruto as getting in the way of the SasuSaku dynamic.
No. 1850216
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>>1849837>Lore OlympusYou made me remember how Xiran was supporting a book from the Reylo author shithole thing, and that book was about "Hades is a Black casino owner and Persephone is a trans Black aerial dancer". I understand women loooove the trope of "women can show a bad moid how to love once again", but can you write it as an original book rather than take the lore about how Demeter grieves when Persephone has to go back to the Underground because Hades is an asshole?
No. 1850266
>>1850175I mean yes but then look at
>>1850195 the behavior seems to infect some fandoms more than others for whatever reason
No. 1850303
>>1850292I'm not even a writer but I have learned that if I have to make sure the lector knows my character's sexuality or ethnic before to tell the story itself, it means my book will be a shitty one.
I would blame to the people that screams "we need more representation" (and then do not buy the book because "money issues"), but now is like you said, the ones that will read that shit either want to do it for brownie points or because they love that boring as fuck trope.
No. 1850392
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>>1850216i am so tired of these "greek myth retelling as a fantasy romance" where the greek myth part is basically jsut slapping greek names on the protags of the blandest booktok slop imaginable
also the ~kweer romance ~ generally turns out out to be a m/f pairing with extra steps.
picrel is an actual review but could describe half the top books on goodreads
No. 1850394
>>1850234its the same phenomenon behind why all anime these days seems to be the same. young writers only know how to regurgitate familiar tropes, and most of them primarily consume other fanfic so it's a self-replicating cycle of mediocrity. instead of drawing from their own life experiences and other media sources, their reference pool is limited to fanfic and other popular media so they can only replicate existing stories in varying permutations.
>>1850292>I find it funny how both tradtoth stay at home moms and super libfem troon supporters both like the same type of weird smut shit with badboys who want to cage them and other cringe shitmakes perfect sense since they're both opposite sides of the same shitty, moid worshipping coin. its like how both conservative and liberal men are fine with objectifying women, the only difference is that one does it in private and the other does it in public.
No. 1850395
>>1850234>Writers don't even promote their books with proper a synopsis anymore, it's just "my work contains XYZ fanfic trope!" or whatever LGBT BIPOC oppression buzzword. Come up with something original for once in your life.Agh. This one stung, it's too true. But I think maybe it has something to do with the pace at which media moves nowadays. You can't reel in a large amount of people in with a riveting, unique storyline right away. Now if you have an eye catching trope and a recycled parody, maybe you can reach more people. I still fucking hate it obviously, because I can't even read a synopsis half the time. Please. I want to know what the story is about.
>Come up with something original for once in your life.I don't think these people can. I don't have faith in booktok or authortok or whatever the fuck. Writing advice is absolutely in the gutter and it shows. Look, it was fine when it was just fanfiction because you're doing it for free and for fun, but you're publishing now. You have to step your game up.
No. 1850406
>>1850392>on-page consent>safe-words>aftercareI am sick and tired of these buzzwords. No one wants to read about this shit in a fictional setting except for fuckless loser gendies who claim to be asexual akchually.
>sensitivity readersThe fact that people are shilling this sort of editing in this day and age makes me roll my eyes. No matter what you do you will never win with these people. If you use one and get published, you'll still get mobbed for not being that minority group. If you don't write minorities or whatever, you still get mobbed for not "doing better" and writing "outside your comfort zone! The world is actually colorful!"
No. 1851366
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it's interesting how tumblr's reaction to toby "forgiving" this guy was pretty much "aw he's so wholesome", no one gaf because he's a guy. imagine if it was a female dev forgiving someone troonphobic kek.
No. 1851437
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>>1850040>female self inserts are always depicted as moidgazey in some way or anotherLately, I have been speedreading Korean OIs/shojosei manga and this is something that I have observed too. FLs are always either super cute and petite or overly sexualized like pic-related. And, as you mentioned, in the rare cases where the FL might be a loser or GNC, she eventually gets a makeover and becomes feminine and pretty. This is not limited to women who draw straight content. Even fujo artists draw ultra-coomerized genderbent art of their favorite male characters. I hate how oversexualized female designs have become so normal.
On the other hand, almost every other manga written for moids has an unremarkable, plain male self-insert who ends up with a harem of gigastacies that are out of his league. It is honestly so depressing.
No. 1851474
>>1851437She just look atractive. Honestly it seems like mostly an american fujo obssesion in portraying themselves as fat and ugly. And is also not surprise a lot of self american shippers are Tifs.
Most women everywhere else like to self insert as beautiful characters.
No. 1851500
>>1851497i didn't even called you fat, i said you were american because only burgers gets
triggered at foreign female artists drawing their self inserts as pretty instead of ugly genderblobs.
Good luck with those artschool student loans.
No. 1851516
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>>1851508>Women's favourite characters tend to be cool or GNC women instead of coomer self inserts for a reason.Yeah sure Dobson
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>>1851524so you've decided to cope.
No. 1851534
>>1851526oh yes, aiden, you self inserting into a fat uggo is just 5D chess.
Ironically calling me ugly you are just proving my point, most women don't like to self insert as ugly and don't think that is desirable. You trying to dismiss female artists for not pandering to tumblr gendie lunacy is actually more retrograde than you think.
No. 1851537
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>>1851474Just because I do not like moid gazey, bimbo caricatures doesn't mean that I am asking for more ugly and fat female characters. You sound like a scrote from 4chan. I have a big crush on female characters like Makima, Integra, Lady Maria, etc and I would prefer if shojosei had FLs that were like them. Also I am not from burgerland.
>>1851520Kek this
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>>1851366Kek similar to how no one gave a fuck when it was brought up that Toby used the so called f-slur in a soundtrack or something. That situation was at the time compared to the omocat shit about her liking shotas, which is interesting to me because on one hand that always gets around 10k likes whenever someone decides to dig it up again, on the other her and her game's reputation seems largely unaffected. Just goes to show that nothing you say matters if people like your product
No. 1851589
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>tumblrina
>butch dyke
>dobson
men cant into bait
No. 1851597
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>>1851581I've been noticing that everywhere. Even when women are totally free with their self inserts they choose to make them conventionally pretty or coomerish and sometimes they also make the guy uglier in a "realistic" way I guess. All for the fantasy of giving him a perfect girlfriend
No. 1851615
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I’ve only seen like, one pick me fujo in my lifetime.
No. 1851644
>>1851628Yeah, even the most terminally online sjw types will forgive
problematic things they'd try to call others out for if it's made or said by someone they like, but if they get "bad vibes" nothing else matters
No. 1851675
>>1851628That's not what I said though? To elaborate, the reason why I hate the quote is because it employs circular logic in a way that makes it impossible for you to disagree with it without "proving" the point, i.e. if you agree that everything is a male fantasy then you're right but also if you disagree you're just delusional and trapped within a male fantasy (as proven by the fact that you think you can be free of male fantasies).
It comes off as condescending because it sounds like the original writer thinks she's some kind of wizard-tier genius who's the only one who truly Gets It, though ironically you could also argue that this level of obsession over male fantasies on part of women is also a male fantasy.
No. 1851686
>>1851594I guess it doesn't really matter, iirc he does end up with the woman his own age that he considers the "healthiest" relationship, guess everything else is just fanservice.
>>1851632No, it's from Vanitas no Carte, the pic might have been made because fujos were disappointed that what looked like a gay vampire show was actually straight.
No. 1851697
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>>1851610lol, i love how nonnas conceed to agree with me but still tell me to kill myself because the feels. Never change Lolcow, i mean it, its unironically funny
No. 1851699
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I think people are overexaggerating the ugliness of whats meant to be normal looking male characters. If they're actually meant to be ugly, they usually look like pic related, or at least fat.
No. 1851701
>>1851675Tbf it sounds like she's sharing an observation she made from her own experience, I don't think it's meant to be condescending at all. She's not saying she's exempt from it, "you" isn't only used to refer to a specific person (the reader) but in a broader sense it can be anyone
>>1851689Why is everyone hung up on the quote now. Discuss other reasons then why female self inserts are oftentimes coomerish and why women don't like to imagine themselves as ugly or plain while men are fine with that and focus on the love interests instead. Why do women seem to care more about giving than taking
No. 1851710
>>1851701>while men are fine with that How? most males protagonists in male media are power fantasies, even the ones that are supposed to be losers are drawn like brooding atractive stereotypes most of the time.
No one writes testaments about how is
problematic or accuses moids of appealing to female gaze in media made by men for men. Its only a major cause of butthurt when its women wanting their characters to be idealized and pretty. Its that kind of self hating ideology wrapped in an sjw blanket that drives so many western fujos intro trooning out.
No. 1851726
>>1851710Don't be a retard. Fujos don't troon out because it's unacceptable to be a PRETTY, CONVENTIONALLY ATTRACTIVE woman but because being a he/him and self-proclaimed faggot is social currency. And being a straight woman into looking at anime boys kiss is frowned upon.
Also, men do not appeal to the "female gaze" with their retarded power fantasies. They are appealing to their fellow rape apes.
No. 1851785
>>1851779Ayrt, that's rough and I believe everything you're saying. There must be japanese womwn releasing content who are not with a major publishing company though, right? I feel like there has to be a bunch of underground work but I'm not familiar enough with the medium to be able to confidently say. I support you and your endeavors
nonnie.
No. 1851789
>>1851780nevermind that those editors are very often also women.
I am just gonna ask you something. How do you think women who listen to kpop would react if one of the all female group member gained weight or was replaced with an ugly woman?
You don't even have to answer, you can cope to yourself if that makes you feel better.
No. 1851795
>>1851785You an follow female artists on Pixiv or can look at all the zines and the doujinshi scenes and its all the same. Most of these female artists with complete agency and no corporate pressure still prefer to draw their female self inserts as pretty and their fanbase of women demands it as well.
The whole "everyone would love uggo fat MCs but moids don't let them exist" is all cope. In fact western media adopting that idea has only drove a huge female fanbase over to consume japanese stuff
No. 1851801
>>1851794probably, yeah, i don't see how it matters because we are talking about female artists and female fanbases.
When male media makes women ugly they blow a casket as well and moid authors who make their MCs to be soyboys get mocked relentlesly by males.
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>>1851809I was just about to post this, all these generic harem/isekai mc's are made to resemble the typical Japanese man — black hair, dark eyes, light skin tone and a modest body frame—a sort of Japanese John Everyman, a blank slate that any down-and-out 20 something can project himself onto.
No. 1851871
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>>1851808Feminist theory in the long run has drained all the fun out of fandom. Nobody should have to care about consuming the wrong or right media, fandom is not activism nor it's feminism.
No. 1851888
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>>1851863This chart always annoys me, bottom left is a side character specifically made to be a joke about Kirito. The actual mcs still work in this context though.
No. 1851895
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>>1851871the representation spergs never understand escapism and entertainment media.
They think if you are in a wheelchair then the MC needs to represent people in wheel chairs for you to like it, they can-t imagine that someone in a wheel chair likes to fantasize about an abled bodied protagonist to forget they are in a wheelchair.
>>1851863lmfao,the average everyman japanese man looks nothing like that, you are tripping hardcore.
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>>1851893Does this count?
No. 1851921
>>1851871i really don't see that much feminist theory applied to fandom outisde of here, the only pseudo activism i've seen came from
terf hating gendies on twitter, and even then it's not critical because…idk i don't think they're smart enough tbh
No. 1851978
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>>1851871you sound like pic rel
No. 1851986
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>>1851940I feel that only a scrote would deny the sexualization of female characters to this extent. Someone had posted pic-related on Twitter and the QRTs were full of moids having an absolute nuclear meltdown. They just cannot accept the difference in the way male and female characters get treated in fiction. I get the same vibes when I read the posts itt.
No. 1851994
>>1851945>I don't get it, ain't most nerdy women weebs anywayTheres an absurd double standard sometimes , i see it a lot in animation spergs in the west where all these women are obsessed with anime but at the same time can-t stop shitting on it and pretending is the worst thing ever. Literally denying the same aspects that made it appealing to them in the first place as this shameful thing you can't admit to being into.
Think the type that tend to be Rebecca sugar stans, so desperately want to be anime but can't just say it because even the most female centric shojo made by an all female studio is not woke enough for unhinged western intersectionality
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wow this thread went to shit. just take the yaoipill. now that i think about it, i would love more feMCs that look like picrel
No. 1852013
>>1851863>>1851809>>1851986Wait, so are male characters all the same looking everyman type or do they come in all shapes and sizes?
Are women all overdesigned or do they all look the same?
No. 1852045
>>1851558>Kek similar to how no one gave a fuck when it was brought up that Toby used the so called f-slur in a soundtrack or something.Nah, it wasn't in the soundtrack, it was a whole Earthbound ROMhack he made in high school. It was edgy high schooler humor but I thought it was funny, but it's interesting how the Tumblr SJW crowd that loves Undertale didn't cancel him for having a ROMhack with jokes about hookers and the word faggot in it constantly.
>Just goes to show that nothing you say matters if people like your productDoes anyone remember Lemonteaflower? She got a callout back when that trainwreck Miss Officer and Mr. Truffles cartoon was kickstarted, because she used to draw shota, said faggot and had it in one of her old usernames, but was dating some
abusive TIM some groomed her IIRC (she used to be a TIF too). But now she worked on that Villainous show on Cartoon Network and has another cartoon of her own. I dislike her art style but I'm kind of glad for her and OMO that their Tumblr history didn't affect their careers.
No. 1852065
>>1852046its not
problematic that male show protags atract the "female gaze" but female authors can't self insert as pretty because god forbids some random moid also finds that character atractive.
Ironically under that logic is men who determine what women can and can't portray themselves as with their oh so powerful gaze even in media thats not even made for them or by them. You can't just draw the female character for females, think about the men!
No. 1852075
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>>1841864so i do not go here, but i'm also mad about the mizuki situation. but i'm also thinking it's not too big of a loss as traps who have that (being a feminine guy) as a personality trait are a little overplayed
even so i like looking at some of his homo fanart and pretending it's the trap/bishonen art i so desperately crave (which it is but y'know). if this post seems familiar it's because i whined about it in the gnc characters/transwashing thread kek
No. 1852079
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>>1852050you’re forgetting the aggressive dark skinned top and aryan bottom that almost looks like a woman
No. 1852084
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This is what the peak female form looks like and if you cannot self-insert as this, then you are a TIF.
No. 1852092
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Another adorable fujoshi character who actually looks like "average Japanese girl". If actual female self-insert content looked like her, maybe I'd bother. The kirito-but-female is actually done a lot, but usually not in yume content, or she's a side character. Make her the MC and I will fund your project
No. 1852093
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>>1852079Golden kamuy mentioned
No. 1852099
>>1852083god, chop your tits off already and go bow tie shopping. you are basically there already with that level of brain rot.
>>1852088and moids coom to minecraft porn. Big shock but autism is not gender exclusive
No. 1852105
>>1852100that's not shojo, not really…that's a krn/chinese webtoon
>>1852099no argument
No. 1852108
>>1852075is this how i find out that Mizuki is a male? what the hell?
>>1841853they definitely will, in game there's an achievement you get from playing with an all male group and called boy band and it doesn't characterize Mizuki as male.
No. 1852114
>>1852108yeah afaik his backstory is this
>>1841853>All of his conflict just has to do with getting bullied for liking feminine/cute stuff as a guyjp fandom also portrays him with a dick and pecs kek
No. 1852119
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>>1851710You can't tell me that the first priority when designing a no-eyes NPC looking harem protagonist is that he's supposed to look cool or attractive. Maybe at a baseline because he's skinny and has hair, but that's it. And men draw ugly bastard porn because they get off to the idea of a pretty woman being with them regardless, while I've never seen the inverse. Yes, those are power fantasies, but why is the female power fantasy to be pretty then?
No one accuses them of appealing to the female gaze because they quite literally don't care about women consuming their media, that's why the term "male gaze" even exists. But when women draw coomerish self inserts it's because they don't want to be undesirable and they can't imagine being desired without appealing to men
No. 1852136
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has anyone else noticed male characters being trooned out and shipped with lesbians? i'm a homestuck still and seeing people who would kill you for pairing rose with karkat or something are totally fine with june egbert/rose, it grosses me out
No. 1852144
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>>1852139
Tbh I feel like even with a kirito clone female protagonist, it wouldn't stop male gaze and women saying it's just waifubait.
No. 1852148
>>1852075Is this also how I find out Mizuki is a male? Wow. At least JP fandom is based, I guess.
>>1852084Honest question, do people find this csp brush spam appealing or are we all just collectively pretending? I rarely get into manhwas because the moment I see those shitty 3d backgrounds and my immersion leaves the stratosphere. At least have the decency to trace them to make them look decent. I get that not everyone hass the skills or ability to draw backgrounds, but it's soooo jarring. Go onto the sims, pirate all the dlcs and make a little room for your character. But then again in the sims you can't make like a palace or a mob boss house, so I don't know. It makes a little more sense when I remember that these webtoon/tapas artists are working slave wages with shit hours collectively sharing the same 3d assets. But still, is it like fast food for your eyes? Is it not better to go the manga way and forego always including the background?
No. 1852166
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Isn't bella swan a kind of femcel protagonist that's somehow desired by hot dudes? At least for her universe's standards.
No. 1852171
>>1851907>>1851921I've been through tumblr when faux-feminism was trendy and basically was used as an excuse to chastitize fandom. I'm not even saying degen stuff like lolicon or whatever, just the most basic
problematic content like stalker vampires and whatnot.
I'm not saying feminism is bad or that it's wrong, I'm just saying that I don't think it has a place in fandom. It started with good and interesting intentions, like using feminist critique to examine media, but usually in its early forms it was done with love for the subject, then it further degenerated into crappy analysid we write and read just to feel better about what movies or comics we like.
This shitty mix of fandom, feminism and in general activism of the early 2010s is why now fandom is full of idiot libfems and male "feminists" who use badly done feminist rethoric to explain why porn is totally feminist.
>>1851978You are retarded. I liked movie Peach too.
Honestly the fact that some of you go after random nona's tastes instead of just talking about ideas and trends at large shows that you are just another flavor of fandom moral judges.
And for the record, I don't read josei with big titty women and I don't love super girly characters. Yet I've been accused of doing both things because you can't detatch taste in media from your actual morals and beliefs.
No. 1852177
>>1852166same as Hitomi from Escaflowne or Kagome from Inuyasha.
Nonnas are really stretching it to make the point that these isekai blank slates are meant to be average looking, but neither the male or female equivalent are, they are still idealized and atractive just very bland compared to the romantic interests so the viewer can ship themselves better.
No. 1852184
>>1852166What does
femcel mean here?
No. 1852203
>>1852169because tomboy isn't a whole category of coom bait.
If you are deciding what you portray or not based on male reaction then i don't know what to tell you. women would literally not be able to make anything ever.
No. 1852205
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>>1851831You sound like an incel from South Korea.
No. 1852215
>>1852190but it is, men set the standard for what's considered pretty in nearly every society on earth. see
>>1852119. men loving being big, burly, and powerful; women are supposed to love being pretty and cute enough to attract men, that's their "power fantasy"
No. 1852218
>>1852204I Assume she means the reader who insert herself in that role. Kinda like incels insert into male MCS in harem who are bland retards who barely say three lines but every hot fantasy woman wants their dick inmediatly.
Twilight for male incels would literally be Tsukihime
No. 1852219
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I always wished there were media were you could self-insert as an actually powerful grown-up woman. I would play otome games if the MC was like this.
No. 1852227
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>>1852203that doesn't look at all similar to coomer "tomboys", please try again.
ironically a large part of the tomboy fetish (for men) is making her "feminine" in some way kek
No. 1852236
>>1852227it literally does. Now you can't wear tank tops and shorts LMFAO
>When you are so feminist that you hate anything that even smells like feminity and you wish every woman was a male cloneThis is why Tifs troon btw
No. 1852250
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>>1851871> fandom is not activism nor it's feminism.When it comes to media: it’s undeniable that a huge part of why Aidens troon out is because they see media portraying females as stupid, airheaded, make up covered, hyper sexualized curvy bedroom eyed damsels in distress. If little girls didn’t grow up with media reinforcing the idea that girls are bitches and sluts (music) or hyperfeminine love interests (movies and series) and that’s it, they wouldn’t grow up to think “oh. So that’s what being a woman is. Guess I’m not a woman then.”
When it comes to fandom: you can still do whatever you want, sure, but a similar thing applies when all portrayals of females are hyperfeminine airheads, and all m->f genderbents are long hair make up covered dolls. Sure, fandom isn’t feminism, but it’d also be nice if people reflected on why they think females can’t look or behave like males.
No. 1852252
>>1852237No , women should only want to be like a man because everything feminine is retarded say western feminists
If your daughter wants a doll with a pretty dress scream at her until she stops being such a retarded pick me and start her on T soon as possible.
No. 1852273
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>>1852242that "female kirito" looks and is dressed exactly as the irl woman who won Sam Hyde's reality show thing, and she won because men overwhelmingly were thirsthing after her tomboyish looks and voted for her in droves.
Again, if you based your entire existence on male reactions you'll never be able to do nothing and will live as a mentally broken neurotic hates herself, hates other women and who can't have fun or enjoy anyhing ever.
No. 1852298
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>>1852242yeah their tomboys are essentially just hyperfeminine women with sporty interests and short hair. and most of them look like picrel. so boring
No. 1852300
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>>1852219same, its actually hilarious that some of my favourite female characters that arent sexualized and moidgazey come from shows made by coomers like hellsing(although hellsing isnt coomery itself)
No. 1852302
>>1852256If I give an example, I'll be called some pickme brainwashed by the media/men. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't. And since you put me on the spot, my answers will be limited and vapid kek
Fictional women:
Aerith, Tifa, Isis from Ennead, Chi from Chobits, Naoto Shirogane
IRL:
Kriten Stewart, Lauren Holden circa Silent Hill, Charlize Theron, Olivia Hussey, Yadhira Carrillo, Bibi Gaytan
No. 1852306
>>1852298So its good when they are 100% like a man.
Men bad but Women should be men is what you are getting at. Also, she looks like a friend of mine, i guess i have to convince her to get a masectomy.
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>>1852300hellsing is coomerish as fuck and honestly i wasn't taken with integra when i watched the show, she's scrotish towards seras.
No. 1852313
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>>1852300woman dressed and acting as a woman BAD
Woman dressed and acting as man GOOD
t.
(bait) No. 1852322
>>1852250Oh please. Aidens troon out because they're pertually online delusional freaks. No one feels sorry because some idiot got
triggered by a bunch of pixels and chopped off their tits. Anyone with half a brain knows that cartoons aren't a reflection of real life and no real woman is upset about the big titty anime girls.
No. 1852336
>>1852302i mean, i see all those characters as pretty too – and not really in a scrote way either – but i also understand
pretty as a concept is in fact inextricable from male preferences, because men set the standards for female beauty…outside of basic things all humans recognize like facial harmony, good health, etc.
think on what places (most of) those characters under the
pretty umbrella…it's their long hair, dresses, long lashes, and delicate features right? all of those things are associated with femininity. i won't comment on the celebs because i don't feel like googling them for their faces, but they're all probably very symmetrical with clear skin, probably wearing a lot of makeup also, etc.
No. 1852343
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This actually reminded me of how I recently found a female mc that dresses like I do.
No. 1852352
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this is how every female protagonist needs to look like and if you don't like it you are a pick me(bait)
No. 1852365
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>>1852341It is probably a libfem from twitter who has a meltdown whenever a fictional female character doesn't do performative femininity.
No. 1852372
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>>1852354>always get turned into generic women with big titties like King The only King I know is King from One Piece.
No. 1852374
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>>1852343She's cute. I also like the MC from Dragon's maid, but it sucks so much that is a massively coomer show.
No. 1852385
>>1852377Fwiw it's a yuri coomer show and she stays looking like that, the coomering is with everything else.
You know, on bright side and all.
No. 1852393
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>>1852372The King I always think of is King from King of Fighters/Final fight. She's been my gnc Queen since I was a kid.