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No. 1800721
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>>1787199 No. 1800749
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I'm really hoping the james somerton vid pointing this out has caused a lot of fakebois to realize how openly misogynistic they were being, even if they still pretend to be moids the least they could do is not also hate women.
No. 1800750
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whats your opinion on stuff like pic rel? or anything related to heavily changing a character to adhere to headcanon ideals. Personally, i don't mind, but i hate the ones that parade their headcanons as if they were the only correct and allowed ones, even if they are STILL just headcanons. For example, the latest TMNT movie gave the characters black VAs, so now you cant do TMNT gijinkas unless they are ''black'', even though they have been depicted asian, white and black before.
No. 1800754
>>1800750It's the same old story that has been happening since forever in which a group of online friends consider their headcanon more important than whatever is happening in the canon of the stories.
At this point I don't care, I just give some likes and comments to those artists that get closer to what I think makes more sense than whatever gendercult shit that's online, I actually tend to block whoever has pronouns on bio, idiotic tranny flags and any other dumbass bullshit like made up sexualities and labels.
No. 1800758
>>1800750Not really an issue. I'm not a fan of super OOC stuff myself but as long as people acknowledge their headcanons are headcanons then it's fine. It only gets annoying when people act like they're delusions are canon and shit on others who don't agree with/dislike what they're saying. And regarding picrel specifically the art on the right is probably more accurate to Stan's character than the left considering his whole depressed whiny alcoholic phase kek.
>For example, the latest TMNT movie gave the characters black VAs, so now you cant do TMNT gijinkas unless they are ''black'', even though they have been depicted asian, white and black before.I've always found this dumb because there's no logical rationale for why one adaption has to take more importance over others besides that one has better LGBT black indigenous
woc representation or whatever. They do this with PJO too, claiming anyone who doesn't draw Annabelle as black is racist even though she's white in the books.
No. 1800763
>>1800750There's one character in my fandom who's depicted a certain way due to a really popular artist's art/headcanon (with darker skin than depicted) and people lambast you if you don't basically follow it to a tee when drawing the character, it's kinda sad.
I absolutely think this phenomenon happens a lot, though the example character being used being a South Park guy makes me lol
No. 1800775
>>1800769Neither do I, but apparently the shitstorm concerning this issue was because of character a basically stating that after blacking out, they don't recall what happened after. They just know that when they woke up, they were in a pact. Pacts are basically like selling your free will away and allowing the pact holder complete control over you. For some reason, the fandom equated this to them being raped. Yet nothing in canon suggests or even implies that's what happens, yet people took it there. I remember another commenter being called a "rape apologist" for disagreeing and a lot of people using their trauma as examples and "listening to rape
victims." It was kind of a mess.
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>>1800750i like it. I have always preferred fanart that interpret the characters differently and in different styles. While it's super impressive when people can copy a cartoon's original style it would be boring if all fanart looked like that.
I also don't mind racebending or making characters fatter, or changing a characters hair color/eye color/hair length etc. basically anything that changes a characters appearance. But I hate when the artist claims that their headcanon is the superior version. Making changes, like racebending can be interesting picrel is a good example. The artist Wooh Nayoung have some cool art where she reimagines european stories in a korean setting. you can tell when an artist changes a character because they genuinely wanna explore how a reinterpretation affects the story, and when an artist changes a character just so they appear more progressive and woke.
>the latest TMNT movie gave the characters black VAs, so now you cant do TMNT gijinkas unless they are ''black''this often happens in fandom where the characters don't have canon races. It's the worse.
Similarly I hate when people treat Word of God as canon. A writer will tweet "this character is gay" five years after a show has ended even though nothing in the show indicated that, and suddenly shipping him with a woman is homophobic.
>>1800753me too. I don't care much about south park but i follow some westaboo artists who likes it. At first I found their South Park fanart a bit jarring because it was "angsty" compared to the actual cartoon. But it has grown on me. Same thing with the Hetalia fandom. Both fandoms have gorgeous fanart
No. 1800948
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>>1800945i have no idea why the mlp fandom decided twilight was black, and black only. they got so assblasted by the bishoujo line, kek.
No. 1800979
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>>1800945It was for drawing human Pinkie Pie as white wasn't it?
>>1800950Bronie's had such boring human designs, picrel being the best example of that, the only difference between characters is just boob size and sometimes a tan. Bronie's only exposure to something with an all female cast is CGDCT anime where the only difference is hairstyles and boob size and it really shows. If the show was about humans instead of ponies they'd be diverse like most girl's media with an all female cast. Look at Lauren Faust's Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls for example.
No. 1801112
>>1800750Picrel is obviously South Park and I think it's cute when it's Japanese/Korean artists doing it. They seem to actually watch the show and understand what the characters' personalities are like and base their designs on that. They also make very cute in-character art and in general Japanese westaboos make better art than Western anime fans.
Meanwhile the Western equivalent of that tends to be ugly character designs and making a character into some type of minority.
No. 1801133
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>>1800750The example I'm most familiar with is Dick Grayson/Nightwing. In most canon portrayals, he's depicted as a sarcastic, snarky pretty boy, but he can be serious and competent when he needs to be. In fandom, he's turned into a big-bottomed, overly feminine gay moid who is always depicted as super dark-skinned (see
>>1798112) and is designated as the uke in most pairings.
No. 1801134
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>>1801133ugh that's so ugly, why do westoids always take the rare fem-gazey characters and turn them into disgusting faggots?
No. 1801264
>>1801133part of it is projection. they want their favorite male characters to be just as feminine as they are, but its also them trying to pretend to be "gay men". they think these are what twinks are like.
dick grayson being a bottom is based, tho.
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>>1801295He'll probably survive,
nonnie No. 1801434
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>>1800948I feel like her being a darker shade of purple kind of went with that concept, but it's all up to interpretation. Anyway, I'm not really into MLP, but the Princess Luna doll looked really beautiful IMO.
No. 1801529
>>1801341based nona
also there's not enough grinding, even within m/f
>>1801351I think I get where your're coming from nona (even if I don't mind anal or piv) the act of penetrative sex is not hot by itslef there needs to be something more to it
No. 1801559
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I fucking hate genshin skin color discourse and I fucking this graph with every fiber of my being! like yeah there probably is some colorism factor, but I highly doubt that dark-skinned tones were even considered when implementing it. So, I don't get why there's any point in complaining about such a trivial matter. Genshin Impact has countless other issues, yet it's always this one that people choose to focus on!
No. 1801658
>>1801614Tbf people with different skin colors exist everywhere and it's not like only americans like having characters they can relate to in that way. Genshin has awful designs one way or the other, but I feel like making every single character that pale is not helping. Like, the designs are already boring but they are limiting themselves further by sticking only to certain colorschemes.
>>1801579>>1801574Dislyte isn't comparable to genshin in terms of gameplay or writing, I can see why no one sticks to it. It is stupid how they keep complaining only to continue playing though. I get being critical of your interests, but they oftentimes talk like they outright hate the game but are forced to continue.
No. 1801700
>>1801658>I get being critical of your interests, but they oftentimes talk like they outright hate the game but are forced to continue.This is something I noticed in a lot of my fandoms that have issues with things like racism/colorism/sexism/etc. I'm personally critical of those things too, but I still stick with the series because I think they have good aspects too. But so many "fans" hate the source material but refuse to play something more "progressive" in their view. Why can't they just buy some "queer BIPOC" RPG on Itchio or make a DND game loosely based off the setting with their mutuals instead of playing a gacha that's only there to pander to coomers and make money?
>>1801670I agree with you, but the issues is a lot of modern media thinks one dimension soapbox characters
is actual diversity instead of having characters from different cultures be just as cool and interesting as the "default" white characters too. SJWs accidentally end up being just as racist as conservatives sometimes, because they don't see non-white people as
people. They're just argument points or a checklist of traits.
No. 1801754
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Anybody here who grew up on the internet, in fandoms since they could access a computer, chronically online for the majority of their life who one day just quit it all? How did your life look like afterwards? How does it look like now?
Anonymous imageboards are obviously a separate thing, as you cannot cultivate any kind of online "identity" and participate truly in a community, but I'm curious to hear of nonas for whom the endless, spiraling discourse and drama pit of twitter/tumblr was too much and who have effectively become "normies". Though I guess they wouldn't be in this thread.
I know oldfags are all starting to look back at early 2010s-era tumblr culture fondly, especially in light of the current state of fandom discourse over 10 years late (abysmal), but whoever remembers Chihiro gender discourse knows it wasn't all sunshine and roses back then either. In a way fandom dynamics are always the same, only the outside cover changes.
Fandom culture in itself promotes some kind of arrested development in my opinion, yet one can't deny how much fun it is. It begs the question then if quitting is worth it, or will millennials and zoomers spend the rest of their days on earth participating in a fandom?
No. 1801876
>>1801754Honestly, I stopped engaging in fandom. I lurk from time to time, but I will never actively participate in a fandom space again. I used to be a fairly popular headcanon/short fic writer in my fandom, yet it felt like people didn't care about the effort or research I put into it, just that I kept spitting out entertainment. Eventually I got tired of it and moved all my stuff to A03 where I don't have to interact with anyone and just write for myself. It's been much more peaceful and I feel a lot better with myself sense then.
Also, your post reminds me of the video Kurzgesagt did regarding social media and brought up a good point about the Internet pre social media. Back then, the only way you'd come across a certain topic or interest is if you actively searched for it, otherwise there was no one website where anything and everything could be viewed or shared. Everyone had their own, seperate communities and those communities had rules. If someone wanted to integrate and be accepted, they either had to follow the established guidelines or be banned. Yet the good thing is, everyone had their own little niche spaces and rarely did anyone interfere with each other unless they were trolls purposely trying to stir things up. Now everyone and anything is kind of mingled together and while that can have its upsides, the downside is that you're being confronted with too many things at once without input or control, something our "stupid brains," as the video states, can't handle. I think this video sums up some of the issues we see in fandom spaces, being that people keep trying to force themselves into certain communities that don't suit them. Instead of creating a space for themselves and others like them, they'd rather change it to fit their views and if they can't, ruin it for everyone else by derailing, trolling, misuing tags etc. I think most anons wouldn't give a shit about yuri, yaoi, het, race bending, etc. if we all weren't forced to see or be a part of it or made to feel like shit for not supporting it.
No. 1801881
>>1801876I've been on the internet since 2001-ish and I'll tell you fandoms were different. There was much more gatekeeping, and you could really only get into certain communities if you got approved/knew wtf you were talking about. You couldnt just read a wiki and join a fandom. Now a days everyone is so accepting and the internet is super mainstream. There's always been retards online, but I think for the most part, actual people who enjoyed fandom were online a lot and found others like them.
The internet started to get worse around 2012/2013 when the next gen got online and now suddenly everyone is political, about diversity no matter where you go. I basically learned a new language to get away from western politics. I seriously miss when fandoms were actual fandoms and not whatever twt/tik tok has turned so many into.
No. 1801912
>>1801614Arguments like this never make much sense to me. Asians do not all look the same. The skin color argument still applies to China/Asia regardless of US input. There are different ethnic groups which live in China and have on average darker skin and do not look like the majority Han population—and even among the Han, there are people with all sorts of skin tones, especially in the south of China where there are a lot of darker people.
>>1801888Yeah I felt that way (or didn't I guess) toward Barbie dolls. Like kid me never thought that I wanted to look like Barbie; I only thought of her as a toy—but maybe that was the autist in me and most little girls actually do want to look like their dolls kek
No. 1801968
>>1801964It's idpol poisoning everything. My friends and family (non-white) who aren't super online or obsessed with politics never gave a shit about representation. We just laugh and poke fun when we see an inaccurate depiction of something in media and move on with our day. Most
poc fall into this camp, it's only the idpol crowd who cares, but they are the loudest
No. 1801974
>>1801964I get that, but Genshin is (presumably, I don't play it either) a game translated to English and evidently distributed to an international audience. The company behind it knows that—how could they not?—and that their market is international. I don't see it as an unreasonable demand to request that they tailor certain elements of the game to Western audiences, just like how Disney and other companies that have expanded internationally tailor their media to Chinese audiences—and like I said, there are dark-skinned people in China and throughout Asia, so it wouldn't be a solely US/Western decision.
>I doubt they would be satisfied with a chinese work that represents all the different kinds of chinese peopleYou're making up people to be offended by. Sure, maybe a few ignorant Westerners would complain, but most lefties wouldn't get upset if a Chinese game decides to throw in a few Tibetan or Uyghur characters, if their ethnicity is explicitly mentioned at all.
>>1801968It's not that "
POC" are not offended by it or whatever, but in many collectivist cultures it's considered rude to stir the pot by calling attention to negative parts of society. There are people in China who are aware of issues with colorism and body shaming, but it's generally seen as a better thing to not make much noise.
No. 1802054
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There's a JJK Nanami/Gojo (@nanagoisms) zine and the mods blacklisted a bunch of tropes/characteristics they didn't like. The list ranges from problematic content like underage sex to the most inane shit like Greek mythology AUs and drawing Sukuna with abs (which he canonically has). They can do whatever they want though I highly doubt any good artists or writers are going to join it
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>>1801559i had to google this, what are these dogshit designs. No wonder they dont move to that game considering the main attraction of genshin is waifu/husbando bait
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>>1801670i dont understand why diversity just means different skin color. The game thats being praised as the martyr of diversity looks like the most generic artstation shit i have ever seen. I have seen every single of these characters a million times already on artstation portfolios. This isnt diversity, it's just pandering.
No. 1802128
>>1802103Tbf the argument is just that Dislyte is also chinese and has different skintones in general, while hoyoverse has literally no variety. The tweet is just saying that being a chinese studio doesn't excuse it (which people do tend to bring up often) and that they are doing it on purpose considering other studios manage to get beyond pale beige
>>1802093It also has awfully boring gameplay and an uninteresting story that doesn't expand much on the characters and that's why no one plays it. I tried it on release and I really can't remember any of it. The main draw in genshin are waifus and husbandos, but the open world and fact that you can use the characters in it also help imo. Dislyte is just a very generic gacha
No. 1802634
>>1802584What i hate about this whole concept of "sexualizing minors" in things like this is that it's like they think the audience is 40+ year old creeps that fetishizes the fact that they are school boys or something.
We can have our fictional crushes and a bit of fanservice doesn't kill anyone and i don't know how to explain it but fanservice aimed at female audience is always less creepy than one aimed at old men anyway, and most of the characters look ambiguous enough that you can see them as young adults and not literal children.
In the end it's a mobile game so of course they want to make sure they show characters in ways the players will get attached to them.
No. 1802650
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>>1802634What makes it funny is that the artist of the game is definetly shota inclined and into feet. There are several cards that have a concerning focus on feet, and normally its the cuter ''shota'' characters, kek. It's retarded to complain about pic rel being too lewd when you are playing a gacha shit made in Japan. If you are too weak for otaku culture then you shouldnt play games made for that target audience. Even female otakus in Japan dont want to meme themselves into lusting after 30yo+ balding moid hags like westoids, and end up normally husbandoing ''teen'' characters. I hope they make more lewd cards just to filter these retards.
No. 1802660
>>1802545This kind of stuff has been going on looong before the global release. Lots of retired players who played since the original app released in 2015 like myself stopped playing because of all the crazy fandom drama and issues with "
problematic" content. It was seriously crazy, the amount of minors who'd go on tirades and gather a mob to chase people off the site, suicide bait, etc. was crazy. Eventually most of us just realized it wasn't worth it kek
No. 1802680
>>1802650Yeah i know about those cards but still it doesn't feel like it's gross like that time i decided to go on 4chan and check some cute anime boy thread because i thought that place was infested with men and it had figures of undressed shotas with milk bottles jesus
maybe getting traumatized by moids fetishes is a key part in surviving retarded fanservice
No. 1802685
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>>1802650Always made me laugh when cards with obvious sexual undertones would be released because the moral brigade would throw a tantrum over it and claim that anyone who points out that the characters are being lewded are pedos for seeing underage characters that way kek. Unfortunately it seems like those types are still around so I don't think they're going anywhere. Picrel really did a number on them when it came out
>>1802666True, another reason why I dropped the game was that Akira (one of the lead writers) stories were just getting so farfetched and ott I couldn't take it anymore, shit was ridiculous
No. 1802689
>>1802685Always made me laugh how they think moral crusades against random people on SNS accomplishes anything while they're simultaneously forking over money to the people who make the very "
problematic content" they hate
No. 1802693
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>>1802680ensemble stars is super fucking lewd for idol gachashit standars. I used to play deresute and sif and none of the cards in those games would get this obviously fetishy. It's honestly quite refreshing to witness as both a yumejo tired of stale boring shit and a
straight footfag my favourite thing about enstars, and the reason i started playing, it because it reminds me of male gacha shit.
No. 1802894
>>1802627Yes.
>>1802714The game isn't too hard to play and clear like
>>1802781 said. Just avoid the Western fanbase because they'll go apeshit if you don't call a clearly gay man "she/her" among other things. It also annoys me how all the translations and story transcripts get taken down online
No. 1802899
>>1802693Is it wrong I find it refreshing to see something with exclusively male characters subjected to this type of objectification? I swear there’s even BDSMy cards. This made me laugh from the absurdity but I’ve seen so much female feet art that those don’t phase me. I’m
glad feetfags have some cute anime boys and I kinda hope that if moids see this art and get mad at it, that they realize the hypocrisy and double standards.
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>>1801133>>1801378picrel is the only reference I have with regards to my knowledge on Dick Grayson,
No. 1802953
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>>1802941It hurts because there's no good alternative. Also because I need to read every single one of my husbando's stories like a completionist. I hate gatcha why
No. 1802977
>>1802942nta but i support straight footfags nonas like me, finding anything decent is such a pain but i don't like it when the characters look innocent or weak and my other option is gross smelly gay moid art
ugh
No. 1803534
>>1803051I like the art and the personalities. I dont like over designed crap like genshin/idolish/utapri, so i like ES simple moe designs, they are very cute.
>>1803115They are definetly ''lewd''. Outside of the excesive focus on feet the artist also likes drawing exposed midrifs, i think it's more noticiable if you have played female idol games before.
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when did things become so extreme? i remember in the 00s/early 10s people were able to distinguish obvious loli shit from some generic anime character who's 16 but has abs and is 6ft tall
No. 1803672
>>1801559Glad I've never played this game
>>1801668they shouldn't bother. Chinese don't care for anything African and Americans just want to stand on a soapbox
No. 1803691
>>1802154>I don't think wanting to see characters of different races (or even just with different skin tones) qualifies as being political.The chuds and wokes both see skin color/race as political, which inspires these nonsensical arguments online. I see it as a form of horseshoe theory acting up, with the sane middle having skin color/race as irrelevant. Not non-existent, but irrelevant and not political. It's more of a preference to want a diversity of silhouette and shape language
>>1802290>>1802626I like your attitude, we need more of this
No. 1803710
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A dev is talking about bad experiences while working on omori and I find it fascinating how strangers will repeat back any info they've learned about it, like here with the long work times this guy wanted to do. Something similar happened with kauchamas callout when everyone started talking like they were there personally just because they read the victims doc. Just taking the first viewpoint they see as fact and then arguing like it matters to them at all or like they actually have a connection to it because they enjoy one parties content. There's no separation between private and public life anywhere anymore
No. 1803741
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>>1803730Kek this guy is basically saying he overworked himself without anyone asking him to and when he burnt out no one cared, they treated him badly because he wasn't being productive in the last months anymore. Like, that sucks but this is standard at any creative job. Or job in general for that matter. Also sounds like his anti-social behaviour lead to no one in the team liking him enough to care or later vouch for him
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>>1803741Sorry the entire situation is so stupid
No. 1803766
>>1803763Proving my point kek
>>1803762It's happened in the last thread, happens in the Twitter thread, even sometimes in the unpopular opinions and dumbest shit thread. People get too defensive on here, it's crazy
No. 1803786
>>1803770>>1803766we literally have whole threads dedicated to hating on fujos, we have the kinkshaming thread, etc. so not only are you wrong about the board culture but you're also going in threads specifically dedicated to discussion/banter where you'll inevitably see at least some nuanced opinions that you might disagree with (unpopular opinions thread, fandom discourse thread, dumbass shit thread, as you mentioned). and instead of just sticking to the threads actually intended for complaining about fujos and coomers etc you come into threads like this instead to bitch and demand people stop having opinions you can't handle? you
are too sensitive and you
do belong on tiktok/tumblr/twitter, not lc. stop sperging when others are just pointing out the obvious.
No. 1803947
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Speaking of troons ruining stuff, Magdalene Visaggio(the troon pitched the idea of turning superboy into a trans-girl). is starting beef with established comic writer Mark Miller, claiming that one of Miller's series ripped off the Visaggio's comic, Kim and Kim, which is about two punk rock space bounty hunters one of whom is trans. Despite how bullshit the claim might be, most of fandom twitter is on the side of Visaggio, because SHE's a poor marginalized autistic transwoman
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>>1803710I can see Omocat being equally in the wrong, going by picrel and what people in the thread we have about her have said
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>>1804004nta but he's claiming he came up with the concept of two female space bounty hunters first and so Mark Millar ripped him off.
>>1804018Kim and Kim came out in 2017 and Millar's comic in 2019.
No. 1804024
>>1804021so whys he dragging it up now? is he really that narcissistic he thinks he created a whole new genre, or that he creates "spicy rather than bland" when all of kim and kim is the most forgettable shit i've ever read? i mean, at least i remember a little bit of what happened in space bandits, lol.
i hope he just gets ignored.
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>>1804021Didn't Dirty Pair do it first in 1980s Japan?
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>>1802384>>1802385I was really hoping that the majority of the responses would have been critical of this, but no, most of them were just talking about how hot the old man was and how they would do the same thing. I can't stand it here! and I despise this old man agenda in media so fucking much.
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>>1804150It's infuriating how everyone seems to believe that old obese steroid freaks are the ultimate symbol of attractiveness and masculinity. Even the sexist men from the past understood what a healthy male physique looked like, and women always knew what a genuinely attractive man looked like. But for a century now, the degens who run the media have been relentlessly pushing this agenda, and unfortunately, it seems to have worked with in a section of the population.
No. 1804199
>>1804150men like astarion were always popular. never forget women used to thirst after spock from star trek and literally invented slash to see porn of him.
but imo astarion isn't that bad, tho. its just his smile lines that are a little deep.
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i do not want to believe in the existence of women who find old men attractive.
i prefer to think that it's all just something they put up to steal their money before the moids die, , especially ones that talk about it online.
No. 1804229
>>1804211Eh, in this case I honestly think it's the eyepatch, cigar, and the fact that he's drawn bulky.
Take off the beard, erase the wrinkles, and dye his hair and the comments would probably be the same as long as he kept the eyepatch.
No. 1804428
>>1803742The devs let him stay over for free and he’s going on about how they treated him poorly?
Does he have no shame
No. 1804436
>>1801378This is basically the comic book fandom on tumblr or actually with games as well. It’s just most noticeable with comics and saying they should read at least one comic is apparently
toxic gatekeeping
No. 1804617
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I used to really enjoy splatoon as a franchise, but the fandom has been absolutely insane over miniscule details. this user is freaking out on an Asian artist because she drew //her friend's OC// incorrectly. The friend never complained btw.
No. 1804672
>>1804617I'm calling it right now, In 2-3 years people from the middle-east/north-africa will be white-adjacent and no longer count as
POC's to these people.
No. 1804732
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>>1804355>>1804393he's super ugly anon, he looks like a tumblr sexy man mixed with the supreme gentleman and santa claus
No. 1804757
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>>1804732i literally fail to see what is so ugly about him, aside from a few bad angles (which happens to any 3D model husbando) like lmfao. a majority of video game males are roided out pigs, i'm going to enjoy the tumblr bait.
No. 1804784
>>1804757Ngl I don't either.
I get not finding him attractive but it's not like he's the ugliest dude to have fans, he's not fat and doesn't have bad facial hair. It's not worth all the hullabaloo.
No. 1804796
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>>1804791one of the female options, lae'zel, is literally one of the ugliest pieces of shit i've seen in any game, literally makes my boy astarion look like a supermodel.
No. 1804803
>>1804672It's already happening, in FF16 there's a whole country of people who are tanned, living in a desert close to a beautiful oasis with palmtrees, the buildings and decorations makes the cities you can visit look like Morocco
or what I remember from my last visit and the clothes of the characters there look vaguely Middle Eastern or South Indian and yet. A lot of people and especially game journalists were complaining that the game has only white people, that the game and the devs are racist, that the characters aren't dark skinned enough to be black so they're automatically white with a tan, and game journalists were obviously using this as a pretext to shit on yet another JRPG. I've seen Americans online saying that North Africans are either Arabs (not wrong if we're talking about the dominant culture I guess but otherwise no we're not), white invaders who chased out the original population or white people mixed with the original black population (many of us look mixed I guess?). Don't get me started on Ancient Egypt. I'm going to assume that they think all former colonies were like the American continent where plenty of genocides happened a few century ago and the populations got more or less replaced because that's what they're familiar with but that's not the case everywhere.
No. 1804816
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What do you guys think of Shadowheart?
No. 1804855
>>1804773nta but as someone who really enjoyed the original book, I cannot stand the show or the revival it caused for the fandom. I was never into Good Omens in a fandom-y way tbh, but it was popular enough on tumblr that I'd just come across its fans every now and then and it was mostly just cosy slash shipping, from the look of it (plus because there wasn't an actor to go off of, the characters were depicted more appealingly on average, if still a bit frumpy if it suited their character more). Now every time I chance across it it's weird gendie shit and drawn fugly as hell.
Seems to be the way of any older fandom that gets a rush of new blood at the moment. Doesn't help that people don't stay put in fandoms for very long now compared to how it was like just 5 years ago, so people migrate from fandom to fandom, dragging shit from their prior headcanon/fanon cultures and the most enduring fandom behaviours with them.
No. 1804891
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>>1804732He's like Fenris mixed with Lestat. Pure elf husbandofaggotry crack. Sorry if the genetically engineered in a lab husbando psyop had its intented effects on its intended audience. It's a flu and native americans situation here.
No. 1805264
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>>1805224Thranduil doesn't look super old at least. I am a LOTR fan and understand why people were attracted to him and Legolas. It does help Lee pace played him at the time of release. He gives off an air of royalty. Astarion is just an old faggot. He screams tumblr generation for me personally.
No. 1805270
>>1805224How dare you compare Thranduil to Astarion. They are not even the same type of characters.
>>1805258jfc. Are the straights okay?
No. 1805279
>>1805264Pls do not roost me anons but she was the first person I romanced bcoz I would tease her a lot. So during our first cut scene she commanded me to get down to eat her out. It was over for me… I was hooked.
Though tbh all the female romances are IMHO very good. Asterion is super possessive of you, which was cringey. But gale was even worse because of you tell him the sex was ok, he'll threatens to kill himself
No. 1805350
>>1805344Only the women are worth romancing imo. The men are all
toxic.
No. 1805375
>>1805301There's an evil baddie named Minthra you could romance, but iirc, you would have to do evil things to pursue her or glitch the game.
>>1805344There's actually discourse on Reddit because gale got shifted on so fast. But his cutscenes would literally be like hey , I want to show you something. Then when you enter the woods, he'll have astral sex with you out of the blue. It was really weird and people would be nice to gale and he would try to romance you. There's actually even an opportunity where gale and asterion will fight for you in a love triangle. And gale also low-key threatens suicide if you chose asterion
I think a lot of people sympathize with Gale because of his back story but he just looks like a gay obi wan kenobi
No. 1805389
>>1805375>I think a lot of people sympathize with Gale because of his back story but he just looks like a gay obi wan kenobiAs a SW fan, I am dying laughing. I chose Lae'zel in my story, and did the astaral projection thing. Gale started to get pissed when I was doing shit with Lae'zel and I had no idea why. People kept telling me his game was glitched and he'll hit on you no matter what, or even being nice to him just one time.
>>1805383I thought you could still romance Halsin. He's at my camp, but is there no option?
No. 1805401
>>1805258yeah he suffers from being in a modern game, lol. no need to post him in bad lighting like that. they look the same age.
i said this earlier and no one got mad, chill. keep crying that astarion is ugly cause he's more popular than your husbando, lol.
No. 1806875
>>1806872>people forget shit incredibly fastEspecially if it's something benign, like you wrote a fanfic for a "
problematic" ship. Although even serious shit is forgotten fairly quickly nowadays
No. 1807333
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>>1806090Didn't get cancelled with a public post but by a group of mutuals in a small fandom who went around everyone's DMs spreading shit about me. It was some kind of last straw situation for me in retrospect because I was so tired of constantly having to participate in their idpol drama addiction and shittalking about everyone else in our small fandom (and each other bending their backs). I just quit SM and it's honestly been freeing for me, I can enjoy things and make art for myself again which I haven't done since before I had a computer. It's a strange feeling not having to "perform" and "participate" actively on SM. I'm lucky I don't make a living out of it and didn't get a public callout post but if you really need to be on social media
nonnie the best thing is really just to ignore. If you give them no reaction they forget about you very quickly.
No. 1807531
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>>1747679I know this a super late reply, but Lily Orchard(real name Jerry Peet) is such a misogynistic pervert. I remember years back when he started a hate campaign against this female author, Christie Golden. She wrote some tie-in books for video game series, including Assassin's Creed and World of Warcraft, and was living her best life, writing her own vampire romance novels as well. Apparently, this man (who claims to be a feminist lesbian woman) didn't like how the female characters got married in the end. It just didn't make sense to him why the badass female characters didn't continue their adventures indefinitely. He accused her of being a racist (because she got facts about some Arab and warcraft fantasy culture wrong), of being a misogynist (again, for allegedly not handling her female characters well), a pedophile, and a fetishizer (for having a 20-year-old male character fall in love with a middle-aged female character), among other moronic claims. She had to turn off her account for a few months, and the accounts where he made these claims have been deleted. He has a history of basically scrubbing away his offensive and controversial claims (like his pedophile MLP fan-fiction), but I remember when it happened.
No. 1807563
>>1806090A few times, one on tumblr for
Terf crimes and twice over Twitter for
Terf again and "proshipping" (aka I just ignore and/or block what I don't want to see instead of arguing).
For Tumblr, I just ignored and continued posting normally, most people don't care about callouts and actually very few people blocked me and I remained friends with most of my mutuals. No one remembers now
Over Twitter, the callout happened last year on my gimmick account that kind of doubled as personal, I locked and ignored people because adding more fire is always wrong in these cases, but Twitter being Twitter the accusations snowballed since I said nothing and people never fact check, so I got tired of getting rape threats from men daily and simply left that account and made a new one under a different name. To this day people still speak badly of me but somehow no one has noticed I'm the account they callout'ed despite it being blandtanly obvious kek.
The proshipping callout was on my new account, but that's so stupid I don't care, most of them are noisy kids. I would say callouts are only important if you share too much of your personal life online or if it's linked to your bussiness account, very few callouts end up being taken seriously enough to dox you.
No. 1807639
>>1806090I never saw the callout post but I assumed I had gotten one on Tumblr because suddenly I have k-poopers shitting up my asks with dancing gifs and the ocassional gore. I was a fandom/aesthetic blog that didn't post anything personal…it was the push to me quitting though since I was using it less and less over time.
On Discord (maybe this isn't SM?) where I used to post art and chat I'd be excluded from the rest of the friend group either because I was a radfem or neonazi for not coddling the 30 y/o gay demisexual furry moids drawing fat moths in the chat. They couldn't decide. Afaik nobody dragged it out into the public.
>>1806970It's so tempting to pretend to be a male in fandom spaces.
No. 1808492
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I hold everyone accountable sheer retarded displayed in statements like picrel. I blame "dark fantasy enjoyers", I blame fujos, and I blame wokeoids. Let's start with the fact that men cannot, by any means, become pregnant (a shocking revelation, I know). The ability to conceive is inherently tied to the female gender, and any fictional work that portrays men experiencing pregnancy is simply not depicting men getting pregnant.
So I hold "dark-fiction enjoyers" who have taken one of the most challenging experiences women face into mere kink. I also blame fujos who deny reality by applying female biological traits to males, pretending that it can somehow occur in the male anatomy. And I hold wokies accountable, who further deny reality by asserting absurd claims such as men being able to get pregnant.
No. 1808503
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>>1808492I miss when mpreg was a small niche and people outside of it just thought it was a funny meme. Now it's just associated with trannies and retards like in your pic that think it's some kind of power thing. I want to go back. I'm tired of current internet
No. 1808584
>>1806090This is going to be blogposty, and I apologize for that.
I used to run in very very sjw circles on Twitter. I had undiagnosed autism/adhd and would fight with my friends all the time. One day, they decided to compile a Google doc consisting of dozens of pages of me being "
abusive" (i.e having an autistic melt down).
I ended up saying sorry I was a dick, then quit the Internet for a while. I came back recently and everyone is acting like they were not part of my dogpiling + they still gush over my art kek.
Tbh, I probably would've resented everyone and my ex friends. but truthfully, me quitting and touching grass, made me realize how stupid I was, how silly my friends were, etc. I used to be trans too back then but then I realized I was just a depressed lesbian lol.
Anyways, I don't really run into my old circles anymore. I'm involved in a different community who are a lot more kinder and less unhinged. Sometimes, I see people who spoke badly of me and never apologized, and I just block or ignore.
No. 1808885
>>1808842Do you know her? Nonna might as well have some kind of personality disorder also/instead but at least she managed to reflect and grow. That's not an asshole to me. What constitutes as "
abusive" behaviour on twitter callouts can be extremely idiotic. Assholes are the ones who compiled a callout post for her, if you don't like your friend anymore resolve it privately or cut them off like an adult.
No. 1809023
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>>1807531looked it up and I found some screenshots of his harassment on kiwifarms,
>here is him just admitting that he did get banned for accusing her of being bigoted numerous times on his previous accounts. No. 1809038
File: 1702401936857.mp4 (7.82 MB, 2k1ipb.mp4)
>>1809023here he claims that Chrissie Golden and JK Rowling are both just sexually frustrated because they don't watch enough porn and so shove their fetishes in everyone's faces.
No. 1809041
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the quote retweets kek they hated jesus because he told them the truth… why can’t they just let women have pretty boys? i don’t know why tifs need to make every character obese and hairy. why even play enstars
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>>1809038There are a lot of other examples on that thread and from what I remember, but this imo is the most blatant one, here he's claiming that JK Rowling and Golden have the same view of women as Ted Bundy, his porn addiction and fetishization of lesbians really jump out in the end, cause even he's allegedly making fun of Incels, his fetish has to include lesbians in it. and it would be one thing if this man wasn't take seriously but he was for a brief period and that author Christie Golden had to publicly apologize for stuff she never did and later on, had to include a trans-character in one of her works, so she wouldn't be considered transphobic.
No. 1809091
>>1809051Anon can you TLDW this video? I like most of Lily’s videos, he has the most based takes on YouTube, having a more feminist take than most even female gamer YouTubers. Yes he has tranny shit but he’s also at least consistent with the logic and i like how he shits on contra.
I saw accusations that Lily is pedo and stuff but it’s always by the people who follow that one brony who is an
actual pedo that married the sweetie bell VA so I just started to dismiss it because I couldn’t find anything
No. 1809115
>>1809097Yes, I want to see the facts. I was watching that video but 10 mins in I was just confused because I don’t know what I was being shown it was some random tumblr snipped with no names and talking about rumors.
He talks about “lesbians” a lot but his “wife” is another male tranny kek I think he’s just gay as fuck
No. 1809160
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>>1809080These TIMs have a disproportionate and devastating impact on fandom culture. They will find a tinge of semi-legitimate criticism and then use it to justify blatant fetishism and obvious misogyny. An example I personally witnessed when I was more involved in fandom culture was with the character Hunter in the Owl House. My god, did every troon on twitter in the fandom hate Hunter? They despised him because, in this mostly female cast, he was the sole male character and was extremely popular with the teenage girl audience that the show was intended for. He was shipped with most other characters and even self-inserts. Now, I do think there were some issues with Hunter's writing towards the end, but the Twitter troons didn't care about that. They hated that he was supposedly ruining their queer lesbian fantasy. So, they claimed that the showrunner, Dana Terrace, was racist and sexist for centering the story around a white male character (worth noting that he was an elf boy voiced by a black man). Even then, the main female characters still remained the main focus; Hunter just had some B-plot episodes.
The point is that these TIM often get their way more frequently than not, since they are considered the most "oppressed group." Anything can be justified by them, even though these men are very obvious blatant misogynistic porn addicted Incels.
No. 1809260
>>1809091>I saw accusations that Lily is pedo and stuff but it’s always by the people who follow that one brony who is an actual pedo that married the sweetie bell VA so I just started to dismiss it because I couldn’t find anythingIs the fact he wrote pedo MLP fanfiction and tries to bury his tracks over it not enough? The brony fandom is full of pedphiles left and right, I obviously don't support that groomer but I didn't find this info from him. Even libfems that support trans have called out how hypocritical Lily is for this.
>>1809115>He talks about “lesbians” a lot but his “wife” is another male tranny kek I think he’s just gay as fuckSome TIMs are gay, but it's a trope that AGPs/transbians settle for each other because real lesbians don't fuck them. It's called jailhouse gay.
No. 1809798
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>>1805258I'm glad nonnies here think Astarion is ugly. When I first saw him I had an allergic reaction to him not because he looks old but because of how aggressively he's supposed to appeal to a certain type of fan(girl)
>White hair>Slutty>Male>VampireIt just felt too in your face, I say this while coming off of a DMC fixation, so my friends thought I would be head over heels over him and buy the game but I stood my ground and insisted he looks ugly af.
Compared to Vergil (who imo has some scenes where he looks unflattering but whatever), Astarion just looks weird. I felt the same way about Vergil so who knows maybe I'll join the hivemind.
No. 1809903
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>>1809798nta but I'm in the same boat. I don't know why Astarion is just so ugly to me, especially when all his traits are things I typically like. And not to sperge about video game antics, but their fanbase is incredibly annoying. They act like the game is so progressive just because you can have sex with anyone. Winning game of the year has only made them even more loud and annoying.
No. 1810103
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Since we are talking about ugly male characters, how do we feel about Lifeweaver from Overwatch?
No. 1810133
>>1810103Ramattra is more attractive. You can see the extra effort to make this character look "handsome" and interesting (damn imagine that the first thing they say about this character is that he is pansexual) in addition to the fact that his personality is gay, gayer than soldier 76 and tracer. I also feel that his design is a little outside the theme of OW, I don't know how to explain it.
>>1809041tifs lower their standards to be able to self-insert and look for the ugliest character so that their "transition goals" are easier to follow. Plus their artistic skills are bad
No. 1810159
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So, I occasionally look up random things on a03 just for the fun of it. Recently, I looked up Ranma 1/2 and was surprised to find that fics were being posted as early as yesterday. This trend seems to have started around October. I couldn't find any news about a new anime series or a re-release of the manga, so it feels like this sudden surge of interest came out of nowhere.
No. 1810192
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>>1810133>Ramattra is more attractive.based nonna
No. 1810249
>>1810133none of the new overwatch characters suit the older designs, especially low effort female characters like kiriko and illari. they are too fantasy driven, without any regard to the abilities and lore of other characters/the world, and no attempt at interesting personalities. lifeweaver suffers from this as well,
>>1810103i like faggy characters sometimes, so i like him well enough, especially compared to their other new characters. i wish he was released earlier in the games lifespan so he possibly could have had a better design, and that his voice acting was better, but he is okay.
No. 1810274
>>1810133>Ramattra is more attractivegood taste anon
One thing that's great about liking characters that are robots, whether because you find them attractive or just neat, is that complex mechanical designs often filter out artists who make stuff like that frumpy enstars scribble. It's not foolproof and you still witness some similar garbage, but god is it jarring to go back to looking up fan content of regular human characters again (especially if from something popular/new).
No. 1810337
>>1810103This post is timely for me because I've gotten back into Overwatch recently and found myself stumped by this character. I typically enjoy effeminate faggy male characters but this guy is both too effeminate and too faggy that it comes across as pandery.
>>1810104 has it right, it does feel like a design that seems created by men to appeal to women.
No. 1810614
>>1810103He looks like if a fanartist whose art style is a perfect replica of Disney's style attempted to draw fanart of a Genshin character.
>>1810159Nostalgia over anime aired in the 80s-00s is something I noticed picking up, especially if those series had fandoms back then. I see people getting into Ranma 1/2 just so they call Ranma a
valid translesbian egg and headcanon other characters as queer/trans. There was a genre of Ranma 1/2 fanfic in the 90s where Ranma was happier as his female form and stayed that way, but it was a niche.
No. 1810809
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Speaking of ramattra, velsmells on twitter has the best fanart including him as sexy human, but she also does the robot drawings so well. I miss when overwatch was at its peak, honestly the tumblr fanartists were what got me into the game because the art was A+
No. 1810832
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>>1810816for me, it's him. I am still waiting for summer sale to get the game but damn he's fucking cute.
No. 1810905
>>1810809This is what the character should have looked like.
>>1810816For me it was The Great Ace Attorney: Chronicles.
No. 1811961
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Speaking of diversity, I recently saw this post getting a lot of attention for supposedly showcasing a variety of body types.
No. 1811973
>>1806090Don't give idpol drama addicts the time of day and only stick around in spaces that genuinely support you. I faced harassment before on Tumblr and it was the last straw for me. I decided to only share my art in small, friendly Discord servers. I still get regular clients.
>>1806900It's more like degen scrotes enable each other and it's socially unacceptable for women to exist past the age of 18.
No. 1812444
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Do people really?
No. 1812461
>>1812444you are an autist who can't recognize jokes. Why are there so many fucking people in this thread
who can't recognize a joke for their lives?!
No. 1812477
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>>1812461>>1812458nta but this is an account that got popular really fast for drawing the 'Real Jesus' cause of the whole gaza-situation, Initially, it was poorly re-creating classic Christian drawings, but with Jesus depicted as dark-brown-skinned (because that's apparently what all people in the Middle East look like). However, it quickly evolved into a moral preaching of a dark-brown Jesus, Of course, since the author is a brain-rotten twitter artist, she also draws Jesus Yaoi as well.
No. 1812507
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>>1812477In a way, it's actually more offensive to depict all people from outside of Europe as all being the same shade of brown. Keep in mind, this is what most Levantine people generally look like - light brownish to pale.
>>1812504I know what the kiss of Judas is, but she literally has shipping art on her front page.
No. 1812537
>>1812521I find it kinda offensive.
>>1812511>ancient greek shitshe's obsessed with a sanitized queer fantasy version of ancient Greece, not the actual institutionalized child-rape and extreme patriarchal misogyny.
No. 1812541
>>1812521I went through that artists Xitter page and I didn't find any of this "yaoi" that
>>1812477 was referring to. The only thing wrong is that it's just a bunch of generic animu fan art
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>>1812541It's literally in her front-page
No. 1812579
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>>1812572that's a man and a woman genius
No. 1812587
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Her odyssey fanart is unquestionably horrendous though.
No. 1812589
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(enough spamming please)
No. 1812596
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>>1812593Quelle horreur ! She broke the cannon!
No. 1812604
>>1812603Canon = the official plot line, outside of the fanon (fan related stuff). We're in the fandom thread
nonny, keep up!
No. 1812606
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Speaking of the butchering of religion and mythology, is anyone actually looking forward to Hazbin Hotel? except for those pathetic theater kids and idiots obsessed with queer culture. It feels just some power fantasy where the kweers and theater kids fight against stuck-up conservatives who are also lame as well.
No. 1812609
>>1812606The whole "angels are just as bad if not worse than demons" is so overdone. Then again, even if this was a novel concept, the shear amount of cursing and swearing already ruins it. And you already know the writing is gonna be shit.
>actress of colortf for? she's not even human
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>>1812606Dafuq is Hazbin Hotel? Like Habbo Hotel?
No. 1812621
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>>1812617But nonna, even Giotto shipped them
No. 1812625
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Related to nothing else but imagine making any piece of original content and have to deal with people making tranny porn of your characters. I know rule 34 is forever and I believe some animation studios coach you on the topic that people will make porn of your characters but I think making ugly tranny porn should be illegal and grounds for a lawsuit actually
No. 1812643
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>>1812640whichever moids were drawing st. sebastian were basically sending out a faggot beacon with their paintings because i swear to god like….whew
No. 1812647
>>1812625Right? Like I can live knowing there's some seriously fucked up porn of my original characters (because what are the chances of even seeing them), but trannies post their art everywhere so there's a large percent chance I'd see it. Especially because sometimes it's not porn, but just pics of characters with their tits chopped or bolt ons.
>>1812634>>1812640Yeah from proto to high renaissance, every two artists, was a faggot.
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>>1812604Well, first off, you spelled canon like “cannon” so I thought maybe it was a line from somewhere. Secondly, I just think its dumb/funny that twitterfags are putting pride flags on everything no matter what it is. With this specific case it just reminds me of this Instagram post, or like when people make Jesse Pinkman trans. Idk, I’m a nerd with extensive knowledge about the Odyssey so I just thought the concept of Odysseus holding a pride flag was weird, that’s all.
Sperg incoming
If he were in the modern day he’d totally be a tough, bigoted misogynistic guy, maybe with the exception of gay men (because he’s friends with Achilles and Patroclus and also because they are men), but I can’t see him pandering to twitterfag types like that. If he were in high school he’d have an awful broccoli haircut and refer to his friends as “the boys” and “the homies”, bark at people in school hallways and sleep around. That’s just my opinion though. No. 1812678
>>1812647That's not the worst part somehow, you can openly say you dislike gross porn (but you probably shouldn't because it'll spawn 20 shadmans dedicated to making porn that you hate) and people will be fine with it, but not liking tranny porn makes you a twannyphobe or something. Maybe you can confirm all characters to be cis but what's the chances of every tranny in your fandom
not trying to suicide-bait and crybully you out of disproving their shitty headcanons kek
No. 1812750
>>1812725I am calm. Everyone gets called "retarded" at some point, it doesn't mean anything.
>>1812733I just assumed that you were the homophobe anon since you made a fuss over Jesuschan drawing Odysseus with a pride flag.
No. 1812785
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This is so based, we need more women who make itabags of 90s fighting game characters from moidy franchises
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>>1812803Men can delude themselves into fucking vaporeon
No. 1812836
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>>1812833It doesn't make sense because half this thread is catty nonas posting bait to anger others or trying to out-weird eachother to get their posts in the screencap thread.
No. 1812851
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>>1812843It's just a single autism-chan who gets really pressed at husbandos she doesn't like (no matter if they're ugly or not). She tries to bait others with insane takes constantly.
Pay her no mind.
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>>1812843Oh btw I would shape of the water Rikuo/Aulbath
No. 1812862
>>1812851I won't,
nonnie. Thanks.
Based Domon Kasshu appreciator No. 1812864
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>>1812854Great choice,
nonnie. I am a Jedah girl myself. I even drew crappy photos of him in my old diary from the early 2000s. kek. He was my main in DS3
No. 1812995
>>1812614That's one of the greatest strengths of Christianity, the fact that Jesus never had any political or religious power throughout his life. But he was a popular local preacher who spoke in parables. These parables were originally spoken in a dialect of a Semitic language, which was then translated into a popular dialect of Greek, and further translated into ancient Latin and then various other languages. you can create so many interpretations and meanings within Christianity. like you can literally justify almost whatever you want with Christianity, thanks to the versatility of these parables. Capitalism, Socialism, Racism, Anti-Racism, Liberalism, Fascism, Authoritarianism e.t.c
No. 1813072
>>1812712That and "media literacy". People throw that phrase around like crazy nowadays. You don't like something? Congrats, you're a retard with no media literacy skills.
>>1812854>>1812864I've never heard of this game in my life but their designs are really cute. They look like Melan Blue
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>>1812995Muhammad has the opposite issue. In the narrative of the Quran, he is described as nothing more than an honest tradesman. He is very important and moral in the Quran's narrative, but he is not really an active participant in all that happens. he was 40 years old when he received his first revelation and he was just a tradesman from a regional noble family. Then, in the Hadith's adage, he is stated as the greatest human being who will ever exist. Suddenly, he becomes an excellent wrestler, horse rider, warrior, and he was also super handsome when he was young. Every woman wanted to marry him because he was so handsome. Also his bloodline was suddenly super noble, he was descended from Abraham and all the other important tribes from Arabia, It's honestly just ridiculous, he's basically a Mary Sue OC.
No. 1813288
>>1812658I had a hearty giggle especially at the butthurt moids, thanks nonna
>>1812868KEK
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>>1813210>>1813295>>1813455>>1813181The funny thing about all this characterization of Muhammad is how much it contradicts the Quran's narrative. In the one battle Muhammad had to fight in, he lost after being hit in the face and almost dying, losing 4 teeth (which are considered Holy Relics). He is not a warrior in any sense in the Quran's narrative; he lets other people (mostly Ali) do the fighting for him. However, in the Hadiths, everything changes. He was a warrior fighting in battles since he was a teenager and personally led all the early Muslims in all the battles, directing them to fight against the Persians and Byzantines (even though most records show that fighting between them started a decade after his death).
No. 1813919
>>1812517so fucking true. it's literally just racists being autistic and mad over nothing and for no reason.
>>1812537>she's obsessed with a sanitized queer fantasy version of ancient Greece, not the actual institutionalized child-rape and extreme patriarchal misogyny.who fucking cares? do you lose your shit like this over people reading greek dramas as well or enjoying art and statues from the period? cause all the child rape and sexism isn't really acknowledged in those things either
No. 1814298
>>1814286ttheir reading comprehension is indeed incredibly low. they can't recognise characer tropes because they don't even think of the media they consume as a work of fiction, they act like the characters are people.
and they're so self centered and deprived of imagination that they have to relate every character to themselves, so they slap the same gender and mental illness labels on them jsut so they can go "babygirl is so autism coded just like me fr"
No. 1814305
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>>1814298I know i am a retard for fighting with twitterfaggots on the comic thread, but why? people used to be able to enjoy things just fine, even fujos were just able to enjoy shipping characters in peace without trying to do mental gymnastics to try to prove a character is gay in canon or something. i cant imagine working on a comic, show or book and then 30 years later zoomies show up with their lack of reading comprehension and start making shit up, it's so disrespectful to the creator who put so much effort into it. They always act so smug towards original fans too. I have seen so many of these uber retarded headcanons over mundane shit low iq shows that even a baby could understand, like south park. I understand zoomers suffer from dopamine overdose so they cant just enjoy something simple because they find it ''boring'' they have to be gay and have schizophrenia and be trannies.
No. 1814313
>>1814310yeah, and those were children anon and those theories were always made fun of because they were made by tard children. Now retards get angry when you call them out for being over 18(you have to be 18+ to post here) and making up obvious bullshit.
>But I'm frankly amused by the nerd fight.it's so fucking annoying when something you really like gets popular with zoomies and they completly miss the point, please understand my tard rage. Also retarded zoomies forced the author to put pronouns in bio.
No. 1814324
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>>1814305Zoomers will see a character talk to themselves and jump to schizo shit because they lack creativity. A character can’t just be shy and awkward they have to be an autist or have aspergers, can’t be stoic or unfriendly without labeling them as having antisocial disorders because “muh representashun!!” Can’t have shit in fandoms without armchair psychologistfags ruining everything. Same with tifs and tims trooning everything out and then no fun discourse is allowed because everything HAS to be serious, sad, and traumatic
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>>1814325Kek I recognized the panel and noticed the same thing. I’m also an ECfag and I hate how infested it is, I’ll take the Bill yumejo on 4chan over whatever the fuck zoomers are doing on tiktok and twitter
No. 1814351
>>1814305i'd say zoomers are an especially bad case but it didn't start with them. you see 30+yos in goodreads who make it their job and yet have 0 literacy. their book critiques are literally just "i liked it when character x did this. i hated it when character y did that."
imho it started ca. 2009-10 when peole brought internet activism into fandom. it started with people bringing social justuce arguments into ship wars and evolved into "these charcters are like real peoole and these stories are real events and if you like them then you approve of them". zommers hopped into the bandwagon but it started way back in the lj era and got worse with tumblr.
No. 1814365
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>>1814351I have been on 4chan hobby boards since forever and i have never seen people being this smug about their headcanons. They claim shit and are 100% smug about it when it's easily disproven by just reading the original material… it's like the original thing bores them so they do mental gymnastics to make it more interesting in their heads and then somehow convince themselves their theories are true. I hope for the love of god that other anon was baiting and trying to ecksdee schizo matpac larp, but she was claiming this character had schizophrenia for talking to himself when it's clearly obvious he's on a call with the host what the actual fuck if real kek
No. 1814413
>>1814365i was talking about fandom trends in general not your beef with randos on /m/ kek
zoomers are annoying but general isssue in fandom is lack of gatekeeping, now any rando whis read a wiki gets accepted into fandom and people make fanfics and art that have 0 to di wyth canin. back in the day that shit got lercilessly mocked on forums and sporking communities. but then again the people who made fun of bad fic were usually 30yos riffing on some middle schooler's baby's first suefic.
it's juts weird to see shit that used to be widely mocked (self inserts, OOC , fics that are basically OCs with canon names) become mainstream. gotta wonder what the deleterius folks would think of x reader bullshit.
No. 1814417
>>1812854I’d you like Rikuo you are a furfag
Jedah is based taste but Bulleta is best in general.
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>>1814305This isn't a zoomer exclusive thing, there's a reason why you would see ten thousand deviantart anti yaoi stamps saying it's an insult to the creator to draw the character as gay (for some reason).
No. 1814430
>>1814427anti fujo stamps were mostly used by moids angry their shonenshit DA tags were filled with fujo art. Also, fujos believing narusasu could be canon was not only more innocent but somewhat fundamented in the truth, plus the ones that were 100% convinced it was endgame were normally underage. Nowadays they claim batshit insane stuff that you can easily disprove by reading the manga. Like how they claim every single female chara in chainsaw man is
abusive or that the author is totally drawing naked anime girls with an intention that isnt fanservice.
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>>1814430>fujos believing narusasu could be canon was not only more innocent but somewhat fundamented in the truthAs a fujo, anyone who unironically believed who narusasu could be canon are actually more retarded as current bnhafags who think bakudeku is going to be canon (at least with bakudeku the creator clearly has some weird simping for his childhood bully going on).
Shounenfags are always going to be braindead, that just comes with them being shounenfags.
With that being said anti yaoi stamps are pretty hilarious though I disagree that only moids made them, a bunch of the ones I've seen were by other girls.
No. 1814572
>>1814310Tbh I like reading the dumb and silly theories as long as it's not taken seriously, it's a bit fun how people can reach and connect things together.
When it stops being theorizing for fun and being genuine diagnosis on sexualities "this character is this coded" and getting the author involved "the author must be gay/trans/queer because they wrote this which I twisted into something completely different in my head" then it gets very annoying.
No. 1814805
>>1814432BNHA might not end in Bakugo's and Deku's marriage but the author is really into the thing and constantly draws shipbaiting art of them on his twitter all the time kek. As homosexuality has become more socially accepted authors have been more keen to exploring the idea and give these winks and nudges at the audience, like when
Trigger outright said they wanted Promare to be a "boy meets boy" story and Shinkai made the guy in Suzume a chair out of spite because he wasn't allowed to write a lesbian couple. We've also heard many authors admit even years later that they wanted to make character x gay/lesbian but the powers that be told them it wouldn't be possible and some of them even retcon them to their original ideas (while being called evil wokepandering brainworm infected SJWs for it). I'm really glad to see gay and lesbian characters outside strictly gay media and people acting as if it's "offensive" to a character to be headcanoned gay/bi when they're not explicitly stated to be straight should frankly take a chill pill.
>a bunch of the ones I've seen were by other girls.Yeah, just like today a lot of NLOGs really malding about "yaoi fangirls" had those stamps, it definitely wasn't just scrotes. I had a friend who stanned Sakura from Naruto out of spite simply because she hated NaruSasu fangirls so much kek, ironically she turned fujo a few years later so there was some repressed thinking in there I guess.
No. 1814814
>>1814805Hadn't heard of the Suzume thing, interesting. In a way, I think that spite leading to the chair thing made for a more interesting/quirky film and some fun animation sequences, but I now hope that the creator gets to make a lesbian story someday as well.
I think some creators are being genuine when they admit after the fact that they had intended for a character or couple to be gay but had to change it at the behest of publishers, especially in regards to older works or for certain genres/audiences, or they're clarifying something that was maybe too subtle, but I'll admit I do roll my eyes a bit when it's a very recent work in a circumstance where it would have only received praise to actually include it. That feels like pandering for online brownie points but not wanting (or thinking of, during production) to actually commit in the text.
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>>1814805>and people acting as if it's "offensive" to a character to be headcanoned gay/bi when they're not explicitly stated to be straight should frankly take a chill pill. They're people who just don't like gay people in general and are looking for a scapegoat to be homophobic.
>I had a friend who stanned Sakura from Naruto out of spite simply because she hated NaruSasu fangirls so much kekKind of a power move honestly lol, I feel like a lot of female characters got used for this though particularly if they were disliked by fujos.
It's definitely a funny era, especially since I've only watched oneyplays videos of kingdom hearts so I'm not super familiar with the loreshit but it had a huuuuge role in anti yaoi zones.
No. 1814819
>>1811961It's not even diversity, it's being a shitty artist. A lot of artists try to hide their lack of skill by drawing in an overly cartoonish art style and using shape language or whatever they call it because they're not good at making distinctive designs. "Diverse silhouette" my ass, most people's shadows don't differ that much do they? It's the small features that make a difference, the space between the eyes, the placement and shape of the nose, the skin color, the flaws of the body, the beauty marks. "The shadows are diverse, well that's enough for me, I can get away with making the other features the same" is the way they think. If someone is shit at drawing they try to exaggerate features as much as possible, when they're asked to draw people who look similar in appearance that's when you see how diverse they can make it.
No. 1814822
>>1814817I don't really consider it a "power move" because it gives authors a pass to write worthless and unlikable female characters as people will "protect" and defend them either way. Kishimoto himself is the first one to admit that he regretted creating Sakura because he felt like there had to be an obligatory female main but he just didn't know how to make her writing work making every single fan (not just fujos into NaruSasu) hate her for being so useless and annoying during Naruto's peak in the mid 00's to the point producers were begging him to get rid of her. They're not real people, pointing out traces of scrottery in their writing isn't misogyny, authors should be held to a standard and expected to do better.
>>1814820Online people making these shitty pics fundamentally understand shape language too. They think it's "make character a literal rectangle and make another character a literal circle" while it's supposed to be also about the character's body language and presentation. It's just actual autism not being able to comprehend nuance and adaptability in instructions.
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>>1814822>because it gives authors a pass to write worthless and unlikable female characters as people will "protect" and defend them either wayI meant in terms of pure spite, it's pretty powerful. Aren't female characters in shounen jump generally known for being badly written though? I've heard the editors literally encourage that form of writing.
>hate her for being so useless and annoying during Naruto's peak in the mid 00's to the point producers were begging him to get rid of herThe funny part is there's a vocal minority of fans who actively defend Sakura and usually fall into one of three categories
>Ships her with Naruto because they're the main girl and boy yet convince themselves that they're somehow really deep for shipping this and deeply hate the chick Naruto marries>Weird tumblr types who hate both Naruto and Sasuke but demand people love Sakura because 'IT'S NOT HER FAULT SHE'S BADLY WRITTEN AND BAAAW IT'S JUST MISOGYNY YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE HER FOR THAT' as if a character being written misogynistically (which honestly I don't even think is intentional, I just think the Kishimoto genuinely can't write and doesn't know much about women) means that you have to love and accept a shitty character because they're female. >Sasuke fangirls who self insert as her (I think these were more common in the 2000s though). I just hate the idea that people aren't allowed to dislike a badly written female character because they're in a cast of mostly men, Jenny Nicholson did a pretty entertaining video about this sort of thing for some Star Wars character that pretty perfectly sums up the whole situation of fandom liking female characters in 99% male stories because…they exist.
No. 1814833
>>1814825Yeah, female characters in Shounen Jump series are horribly written. I don't know if it's an issue with the writers themselves or executives telling them to do so because Kishimoto was genuinely confused over why people hated Sakura so much because he thought he created the perfect female representation by writing an annoying bpd-chan crushing on the hottest guy in the Ninja class. He eventually replaced her scenes with Hinata who was the other extreme, a compliant waifu who had her void of a personality compensated with big tits post timeskip. As for Horikoshi (the author of BNHA) he seems to yuriship Uraraka with Toga now since she was suddenly given a lot more personality than she had when she was just "the nice girl Deku has a crush on" character, he must be kicking himself for being so restricted by the Jump framework.
>I just hate the idea that people aren't allowed to dislike a badly written female character because they're in a cast of mostly menIt's so fucking annoying because often those kind of token female characters are the worst written ones but noooo you can't bring up her lazy writing because we must support an imaginary scrote-written sister that doesn't actually exist.
>Jenny Nicholson did a pretty entertaining video about this sort of thing for some Star Wars character that pretty perfectly sums up the whole situation of fandom liking female characters in 99% male stories because…they exist.Mind posting the video? I'd be interested in watching it.
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>>1814833>since she was suddenly given a lot more personality than she had when she was just "the nice girl Deku has a crush on" characterI dropped BNHA during season 2 but I remember she had a fight with Bakugo where she stood her ground pretty well which is genuinely super rare for female characters in shounen so I liked that, but I've also heard that after that she basically gets written into the typical love interest role which is a shame. It almost sort of makes me wonder if she had an arc that got cut out or something.
>but noooo you can't bring up her lazy writing because we must support an imaginary scrote-written sister that doesn't actually exist. There was a poll on tumblr that was like '
victims of yaoi' that was meant to be female characters hated by fujos, but some of them weren't even hated by fujos (like the wife from breaking bad was there who I'm pretty sure is mostly hated by moids, I don't think fujos give a shit about breaking bad generally) and characters like Misa and Sakura.
>I'd be interested in watching it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-Anpo8AvYhere you go!
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>>1814841>isn't Amy Rose hated by literally every scrote in the Sonic fandom?Yes, the only people who actually seem to like her are coomers and girls who self insert as her though.
>Casca and Allura are both big fujo favourites tooIs it mean that I stopped liking her when she broke up with Lotor? That might more just be because I was mad that my ship got wrecked and I didn't like Lance though.
>if I didn't know better I would think this would be made by some seething moid angry that pretty boy characters get more attention than potential waifus.Most likely no since I found this list on tumblr.
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>>1814842>>1814844Kek, why didn't the STD comment make the final cut
nonny? Too obviously XY?
No. 1814854
>>1814305The biggest agents of socialization nowadays are family, school and media. Agents of socialization are people, groups, and social institutions that affect one’s self-concept, attitudes, and behaviors. I don't think much changed about families and schools, but things changed when it came to media, particularly social media.
Back then it was tv and a few websites. It was a passive form of entertainment and it affected children's and teenager's behavior. Teenagers follow the trends their peers engage in, look at TV and want to be like their favorite star. With technology, people can now choose what type of entertainment they witness. They don't just watch what's available, flipping through the channels and deciding this one was good enough. They have exactly what they need, what caters to their interests. Which creates an even stronger yet passive bond.
People also learn about what is important by their peer group and the community around them. That's the secondary social agents. However… In big cities, it's very difficult to develop a personal relationship with other people because there are too many people. Things aren't very personal, you don't know who to trust and due to the modern lifestyle, teenagers don't have many spaces designed for them specifically. Children still have places like playgrounds. Teenagers are more socially susceptible than children. Children rely on family, teenagers rely on peers. Because of the modern lifestyle, teenagers spend more time online. And with the added fact of "choosing whatever I'm interested in", it became even worse. Connection with people was replaced by connections with characters. People want to connect with someone about their interests, not just care about their interests alone. So fandoms are made. Since always teenagers want people who are similar to them, who they can look up to. I think it's healthier for them to change a character to look more like them in personality and appearance, rather than try to imitate a character. However there is an issue. People like "finding themselves" and feeling a sense of community because they feel accepted and because they enjoy learning more about themselves, so when they see a character similar to them they use that as a proxy to identify how they react to situations or they emphasize way too much with them. They're more inclined to change the character's appearance to match theirs more. The issue as I said is that they don't find people they relate to, real people, because of the modern lifestyle. So they stick to fiction instead. I have to say, the people you witness, who are so plentiful as you say, are people who wouldn't be on the internet so much if reality had something to offer them. For someone to anthropomorphize to such a level there must be an issue in their lives that prevents them from truly being present.
No. 1814858
>>1814846>>1814847Nta but imagine whining about this like anyone in this site gives a shit about moids (gay or not) in general.
On the topic, I think anyone talking or looking for gay pairings in shonen is positively retarded. These stories are power fantasies written by japanese scrotes most of the time, be for real. Only reason they would "give hints" about a supposedly gay relationship it's to bait fujos for clout, then they drop it and marry the characters with women in the end.
No. 1814906
>>1814286I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with looking at old media and saying, "in today's standards, this character would be considered XYZ" (note that I'm talking about for things that are actually real), but a lot of zoomers can't process the idea of relating to experiences that aren't exactly the same of them. They flip out over the idea of resonating with an older story about a "white male neurotypical cisgender" and have the diagnose the character with obscure labels to make it palatable to them.
>>1814448>I miss when people talked about the non-relationship/sexual aspects of media or fandom content more, or if they were talking about ships they could discuss the characters in-depth (without wholesale just making shit up, like how so much stuff is all 'headcanon'-based) and why they thought the ship was interesting because of that.Same. The only ships I'm really into involve characters that are important to the story, and their relationship is intertwined with the plot. But that's too complex to talk about than "they're GAY WITH ADHD AND IN LOVE!"
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>>1814825>aren't female characters in shounen jump generally known for being badly written though? I've heard the editors literally encourage that form of writing.It's a little different nowdays due to the trends of having simply more female characters (the reasons are various: waifus, trendy feminism, etc), so you will have manga like BNHA or Chainsaw Man give its female characters more relevance and personality than stuff from 20+ years ago, but at the same time you are not going to see said female characters in big major roles.
There are execption to the rules of course… but anyway, the major thing about shonen manga and especially Jump is editors and its target audience.
Be it Naruto 20 yrs ago or Demon Slayer today, either comic has been subjected to editors who uphold the magazine's rules. If you read a few of them you will notice that popular Jump manga has certain quirks to them, like the recognizable artstyles, the scrotey fanservice, the general presence of humor and sometimes toilet humor: most of these are not just the work of the authors but also suggested by their editors. Hirohiko Araki has gone to certain lenghts to explain, in his How To Make Manga book, that editors will work closely with the authors after approving their work and that an author just cannot bring certain things to a shonen magazine. He mentioned that one of these things is that female characters cannot outshine the main boys and that he had to fight hard to make JoJo's Part 6 a story about women. He also made the example of Lisa Lisa (if you nonas have read Part two and liked it there is a chance you will also like her): Araki wanted Lisa Lisa to have more dangerous fights (he did not specify them in the book but I can imagine might have wanted to pit her against vampires) but the editor explicitly put his hand forward and told him he couldn't do it because Jump's main demographic was (and still is even if it's Japan's most read magazine) elementary and middle school aged boys and thus female characters just can't be put in major fighting roles.
Araki also says that the pillars of Jump are friendship and hard work which made me think about the role of female characters in the magazine's publications… I'd say that for the most part, female characters in Jump exist from a male's pov and it's reflected in all of it: they are mothers, mentors, girlfriends, healers, love interests, sex appeal chicks… you are not going to find a female character in Jump who doesn't have one of the above traits.
I don't think it's necessarely a bad thing or something that will lead to bad writing, mind you, but that's because my reading scope goes beyond Jump. While Jump is not necessarely a doom pit for female characters they're still not the focus… the focus is the friendship between male characters and that's why so many young women read it.
I find that some male writers have still managed to write fun and meaningful female characters in Jump… I like all the women of Jojo for example, even Erina whose scope is being a nice girlfriend and then a gentle grandma. But to read Jump's manga and expecting women to be the focus is wrong and the sign someone must broaden her horizons. Yes there are exceptions to the rule but there are much better manga out there for female characters, it's like reading a manga magazine for girls and expecting to see intense fight scenes in every story.
It's also undeniable that Jump made some of its shitty writers worse, like Kishimoto with Sakura and anyone who isn't Tsunade. But again… it's Kishimoto who sucks at writing women. He's so bad at it even scrotes noticed.
No. 1814943
>>1814825Shounen Jump is generally known for being badly written.
Kinda disappointed to come back to this thread and not seeing Eltingvillefags seething anymore.
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>>1814854>>1814856This may have been true in the past but I simply don't think it applies anymore, you have people who are terminally online and consume only a select portion of media and talk to only other terminally online people, it warps perception their perception of reality and people.
No. 1815057
>>1814937>While Jump is not necessarely a doom pit for female characters they're still not the focus… the focus is the friendship between male characters and that's why so many young women read it.Yeah, in short it is what it is. Shounen Jump will always be focused on male characters and their friendships while the girls at best get the role of supporting cast doing something cool just occasionally. I read shounenshit but I also get my fix of better female characters somewhere else, which is why I don't understand people dying on the hill of defending SJ females as peak writing. It's just a battle not worth fighting over, it's a waste of time.
>>1814930Well, he didn't want to write the couple to begin with. He felt he had done what he could get out of the "boy and girl" story enough in his previous movies and wanted to create a new story about two girls falling in love, but the movie producers demanded another rehash of Your name and Weathering with you to avoid alienating audiences and getting more asses to the seats. He was apparently really pissed about it so he just basically trolled the fuck out of his producer with the chair stunt. I'll admit that I was bummed that the rare attractive bishounen got done dirty but when I read his interview about it I found it pretty funny.
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I kind of dislike how easy it can be to directly talk to writers and artists from all over the world because then they get influenced by retarded rabid fans when writing their next TV shows or books or games. But on the other hand if it weren't for this we wouldn't have had JKR telling us about wizards shitting in their pants and making the shit disappear with magic or Uchikoshi talking about his male characters' canon dick sizes. I feel conflicted.
No. 1815258
>>1815212I don't get it, did they somehow miss the obvious shota bait in Black Butler? It isn't like you even need to look into anything else to deem her too
problematic by their standards.
No. 1815269
>>1815258I guess it's missing the forest for the trees kind of thing? They think everything is so
problematic that something that actually is what they claim it to be somehow doesn't register.
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>>1810159basically what
>>1810614 said, Ranma's recent minor re-emergence is driven purely by collective coom. On one hand, there are TIMs and porn-addicted men creating trangirl/TG Ranma porn. On the other hand, there are fujos and general shippers (in fact, I would wager that shippers outnumber the males). It is honestly annoying to see because none of it focuses on the martial-arts comedy that the series was originally about. Instead, it revolves solely around shipping dynamics and sex, neglecting all other aspects.
No. 1815327
>>1815322he's 12 anon, people who call it
problematic but choose to consume it anyways are over 16
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>>1815122>Uchikoshi talking about his male characters' canon dick sizesUchikoshi is weird as fuck on twitter in general, there’s a lot of tweets of him flirting with Kodaka or having the politics of a 16 year old Californian girl
No. 1815528
>>1815285>It is honestly annoying to see because none of it focuses on the martial-arts comedy that the series was originally about. Instead, it revolves solely around shipping dynamics and sex, neglecting all other aspects.This is what modern fandom has become in general. I miss when shipping was a subfandom and were looked down on by the "elitist" genfic fans, because now shippers are the majority.
>>1815304I was on forums in the 2000s where self-hating girls said they wish they had his curse and I watched a detransitioner video say this anime influenced her. NGL I do wonder what other old school anime has gotten this treatment. Are any anons into shows like Fushigi Yugi/Slayers/Magic Knight Rayearth/Escaflowne etc. know what's going on in this day?
No. 1815566
>>1815528Maybe not as current as you want, but when I got into Escaflowne a few years back there was very little (active) fandom, and what there was was largely older fans who had been into it since the 90s. It did get a new dub but I don't think that drummed up as many new fans as they hoped. I went to a showing at a convention and for the only time I can remember (at a convention), I was the youngest person in the room.
There are almost certainly some pockets online who are weird about Dilendau, but I haven't encountered them.
No. 1815569
>>1815528 I think all of those series have their dedicated fanbase who have been such for decades, it's a nostalgia trip. I don't see younger people being interested in them because there hasn't been a reboot or anything new happening with them to spark interest in the original like what happened with Trigun or Devilman.
>I miss when shipping was a subfandom There never was such time, shipping was a huge part of my fandom experience in the early 00's and it had been for others since BBSs were a thing. It just wasn't as visible to people not looking for it due to fandoms being more clustered in different communities than it is now.
No. 1815912
>>1814305>scroll scroll>look we all have top surgery scars and are trans! LAUGHOkay at first I thought it was schizo hyperbole from farmers having ptsd from sjw art threads then I kept seeing it in fanart. I think since gen alpha is leaning conservative we need them to grow up asap and start cyberbullying zoomers out of this cringy social contagion rapid onset gender dysphoria shit already
Somewhat related but I'm tired in general of the schizos with bad media literacy in every fandom. I've seen some shit about the author subconsciously agreeing with every villain they write or that you can't like villains, etc. Yes, retard. You mean the character explicitly stated by the story and the author to be an asshole was indeed a villainous asshole? Well, golly-gee, retard. Totally means the author endorses putting kittens in trash compactors and screaming racial profanities at racial minorities in public. You figured it out! Except, wouldn't a much better judge of character of the author exist in the reasonings and motivations of hero of the story?? But maybe I have tunnel vision because I enjoy 3deep5u villains as much as I enjoy cartoonishly evil mustache-twirling villains being evil for the sake of evil. It's fun.
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This is not meant to be a racebait but why are there so many muslim girls/women into omegaverse and softcore porn romantasy on booktok/bookstagram? It's something that I've noticed recently. I know there are many yume/fujo artists from SEA online but they're usually not muslim.
No. 1816409
>>1816404>Imagine being in a very strict religion that only allows you to mingle with your relatives and no one else of the opposite sex unless they’re marriage candidates with supervision or else you’re labeled as a whoreobviously this is not the case with all muslims otherwise you wouldn't even be seeing any of them doing tiktoks of themselves gushing about a/b/o porn cause they'd be getting honor killed for it
>the massive wave of Muslim fujos flooding the internetyou sound a little deranged
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I think one aspect of how fandom culture negatively impacts media is how it leads to the prevalence of characters who are more collections of tropes, rather than fully developed characters. A good example of this can be seen in viziepop's writing, where the aesthetic often feels like a mishmash of costumes inspired by things the crew somewhat likes. Take, for instance, the way Moxxie's dad was portrayed; it felt like a Halloween party costume of a mafia boss, complete with slang hastily picked from a quick Google search. Similarly, Angel Dust's comes across as a sheltered teenager's misguided interpretation of how a pornstar is supposed to behave. As for a mainstream example, the villain in Wish felt like a hodgepodge of various popular tropes, without the writers realizing that these tropes created a character with conflicting traits, whose just confusing more then anything.
No. 1817973
>>1814825Those three women? They're all my friends and I cherish them.
>>1815170I had the privilege to receive a carefully written fan letter for my work and it was so courteous in a respectful distance. I didn't think I deserve it for all the single word comments I get on my webcomic page, if I get any at all, kek.
No. 1818191
>>1818102Yeah I just got into The Great Ace Attorney and as per Ace Attornet usual half the shit is fujo content infected by gender woowoo. Murder mysteries are cursed to shit fandoms because it's mostly gendies who play them nowdays.
It's worse when you're not into it for the boys or the shipping.
No. 1818228
>>1817002those aren't exactly meant to be highbrow tho.
disney was never good at writing, they've always done watered down adaptations of better stories
of course there's well-written cartoons and stupid adult books, but you're definitely not going to get elaborate writing and complex characters from the likes of viziepop and disney.
No. 1818509
>>1818499They also unironically think any kind of diversity is "leftist brainrot" and any female character that isn't coomified perfect beauty is woke brainwashing agenda and every character they don't like is pedo/troon bait to the point their paranoia becomes mental illness.
>The art salt thread has the same problem a japanese scrote who only knows how to animate mouth flaps and boob jiggle will always be soulful and passionate but a female internet artist who animate sparkledogs will singlehandly cause the downfall the western animation industry and civilization as we know itKek agreed, it's baffling how many times in the artist salt thread someone posts pornified anime girls praising its artistic value and how they wish they were able to produce something as inspired and skillful. Both threads are infested with scrotes from /co/ and they rarely even bother to hide it.
No. 1818720
>>1810420Like I said, in DMC 5 Vergil looks very inconsistent, in some scenes he looks nice and others he looks fugly.
But at least Vergil is supposed to be 50 years old or something, Astarion is stuck in his 30s because vampire yet looks old.
>>1810103So in your face borders on being unattractive, you just know the devs were so smug about him.
If he came from a Japanese studio I probably would have had different opinions.
No. 1818740
>>1816322>>1816344I mean back during the early 2010s a lot of yaoi spaces looked like "omg I'm Christian and don't supposed gay marriage but I love my yaoi sin babies"
Same thing
They separate fiction from reality. At the end of the day why is any girl into yaoi? Same reason. They're not some weird random specifies and I know you're assuming they're mega religious because of the headscarf but believe me for many it's a very casual thing.
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I can't do this anymore, nonas. I can't. 2023 fandom is completely unrecognisable. I'm trapped in a cycle of starting a new account, building up anxiety because my ships aren't perfectly 'unproblematic' and squeaky clean and inevitably deactivating all socials when the 'antis' come running for me. No, it's not paranoia, I have genuinely been harrassed before and it's horrible. I also got hit with an adult ADHD diagnosis recently which explains why I'm so oversenstive to 'rejection' AKA the harshness of fandom cults and interactions, and why I can't actually 'just ignore it' like other creators can. Old fandom was at least somewhat courteous, but I can finally admit that I am just not built for this anymore. It's genuinely a shame because I dearly love all the positives that fan communities have to offer, but I'm done. I'm so done.
No. 1819151
>>1819127Consider taking a break,
nonnie. Log off for a couple of months and see how you feel. I know that fandoms are so fun even with the current state of The Discourse but participating in a fandom is almost like an addiction, imo. A lot of it is based on FOMO and chasing clout and numbers (as well as making friends, of course) even if you're just a small time artist or writer on xitter and of course it causes massive anxiety when you feel like you have to walk on eggshells all the time. See how not seeing the latest fanart, meme or the fandom news (and drama) of the day for a while makes you feel.
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>>1814819This is the same reason why I loathe bat-fam re-designs. Most of the bat-family main members are fit black-haired white guys. Good artists can usually depict the differences between them through canon. For example, Jason is taller and more muscular, Dick is fit but slimmer and usually has a slight tan, and Tim is the shortest of the trio but still capable. On the other hand, twitter artists do stuff like this.
No. 1819344
>>1819127Possibly unpopular opinion but tiktok is so good for fandoms. The only problem is it’s not ideal for having in-depth discussions but I use reddit for that.
Never understood how or why fans flocked to twitter
No. 1820114
>>1819593>>1819834>>1819668Tiktok fandoms for me is just character edits, with the occasional theory, I know they’re kind if cringy but i like them and they’re fun. It’s almost like you’re looking at fanart which was what I did on tumblr.
No hot takes, no discourse, no shipping fights.
I guess it all depends on how well you curate your FYP.
No. 1820133
>>1820122But I’m at peace instead of exposing myself to
toxic and braindead discourse. I don’t even know what’s going on lost of the time unless I see it on LC now.
It’s objectively healthier than most of the stuff in this thread, for example, it’s the same bs that’s been going on for 10 years now.
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>>1819127what stops you from just owning it? we need more stacy artists that tell thembies to go keep themselves safe and proceed to draw moids getting raped with a cactus. You are your own enemy.
No. 1820308
>>1820305I envy you
nonny. Being an oldschool weeb sounds so fun. Trannies, megacorporations making anime accessible to normalfags like crunchy and being nerdy becoming trendy sucked the fun out of everything.
No. 1820489
>>1820235Nona, if I could I really, really would and I've tried, but I can't. It might seem absurd but Rejection Sensitive Dyphoria is a symptom of ADHD and I really cannot deal with mass harrassment, let alone mass criticism. It takes such a huge toll on my mental stability and the options are either a full withdrawal or a fullblown panic mode across my socials wherein I try to clarify myself over and over which just feeds the cycle of harrassment. That's why I always hate when callouts and video essays use disappearing accounts as evidence of their 'guilt' (usually for some innocuous bullshit that doesn't matter) when in reality there are a lot of people who just cannot handle the pressure and (thankfully) know our own limits.
Also, fandom attracts ND weirdos by nature, it just follows that half of them constitute the psychotic fans who spearhead
toxic fandom culture in the first place and the other half are the autists who cannot withstand it, implode, and their ashes fuel the flame. It's a melting pot of mental retardation just waiting to explode at any second, and once I'd come to finally understand this simple fact, I made that initial post here before deleting it all (hopefully for good).
No. 1820877
Nonnas, what are your honest thoughts on AO3 and its controversies for being 'anti-censorship'?
It's the one issue I can't make up my mind on. I'm not an anti or proshipper, both labels are retarded, but I'd say I'm mostly anti-censorship; I think people should be able to post things as they like, within reason. But horrific content is a fucking plague on AO3, I'm not talking about edgy fictional incest fics I'm talking about RPF of real teenagers (especially when Dream SMP blew up) and 'extreme underage' (involving TODDLERS.) Content like that is where I draw the line, I don't think it should exist at all. It has no real importance, there is never any goal but coom, I just don't see the point in it existing. But all that kind of goes against my being anti-censorship KEK. I don't understand AO3 staff's stance on it, that being that as they're an 'archive' they host EVERYTHING. Including RPF seems like such a retarded move on their part, I'm waiting for the day a celeb tries to sue because of it.
But the one thing I absolutely can't stand is those who equate AO3's entire existence with Kweer Activism and say you're homophobic for pointing out that this kind of porn isn't great for a website's optics. How have we regressed so far that even so-called 'progressives' are equating blatant pedo fetish material to muh kweer history that needs to be protected? Only in the past decade have people stopped equating being gay with being a predator and now people want to bring that back? It pisses me off.
What do you think? Antis are whiny children but this is the one thing I tend to align with them on, though I draw the line for content a lot further than they would kek. I have my fair share of 'problematic' ships, but surely a certain point is too far.
No. 1820907
>>1820877i think people need to be shamed more so they stop putting their degeneracy on display like that. i remember being 16 years old and browsing my country's fanfiction website and the most shocking stuff was maybe some snape/harry darkfic with a rape scene or something. that was shocking enough for me. now everyone and their mom is into bdsm, noncon, incest and piss? give me a break.
there also needs to be a form of age verification, unless ao3 already has one - then it's just bad. i was already in my early 20s when i started using it but i feel like kids and teens can access the most degenerate stuff way too easily. which again leads to a bunch of virgin zoomers claiming to be into hardcore bdsm piss play incest garbage.
No. 1820909
>>1820877I don't particularly care. AO3 is whatever you make of it because of the filtering system. I'm not into RPF so this probably does make a difference, but celebrities know what they are getting into when they make their images public. They know what certain fans will do and some even purposefully egg them on by "baiting". It's really easy to avoid, any celeb that sees RPF fiction sees it because they purposefully went onto a fanfiction site and searched themselves or a pairing. If they are uncomfortable with RPF, all they have to do is
not go looking for it. So I don't care what RPF fans do, they're usually doing it to moids anyway. If celebs could sue for RPF someone would've done it now, but they can't as long as someone isn't making money off their likeness I think.
As for underage shit, I don't like it, but again you have to go looking for it most of the time anyway. AO3 was created specifically because "
problematic" content was chased off other fanfiction sites, it
is the degeneracy bunker. That is why they allow everything, it is their founding principle. It's best to have the gross stuff in one spot where it can easily be filtered out than on other sites where you'll run into it against your will imo.
No. 1820911
>>1820877I relate, I hate antis just as much as proshippers but I have mixed feelings on it overall. I'd like to read more opinions on it. Even when I had an anti phase out of peer pressure, I was more concerned with people who write extreme content involving babies, corrective rape fic, or weird 4chan kinks like raceplay, than some weeb shipping twincest or a 17 year old with a 19 year old. I don't think fiction of those things are on par with real life crime/abuse, but I have a hard time believing people into that stuff don't hold views in that vein real life. It's a different issue than not being into kinks like BDSM or A/B/O or muting someone who likes my NOTP. I dislike noncon, incest, etc., but I think it can have some narrative importance if handled well and people can write content like that and disapprove of it in real life, but the extreme stuff that's pure fetish fodder I have a hard time seeing as "just fiction" the same way I don't see school shooter manifestos as solely "fiction".
>But the one thing I absolutely can't stand is those who equate AO3's entire existence with Kweer Activism and say you're homophobic for pointing out that this kind of porn isn't great for a website's optics. How have we regressed so far that even so-called 'progressives' are equating blatant pedo fetish material to muh kweer history that needs to be protected? It pisses me off.This is what gets me too. "LGB = pedo" was a stereotype in the 00s and when I was in fandom back then, it was the heterosexual male neckbeards that were into lolicon/straight shota, but proshippers are defending fictional pedophilia as "queer expression" when it's not any more "queer" than any other genre. It's probably because the proshipper community from what I've seen is full of TQ porn addicts. Antis have shitty priorities (I used to know some who thought AO3 should be taken offline but thought "sex work is real work") but they're not wrong that a lot of proshippers have actual pedophiles/apologists in their ranks.
I don't think the rules of AO3 should change, but I think more people should utilize its software to make their own spaces. If the weird extreme underage/racist/RPF/etc. content was moved to their own obscure site where only creeps into that will see it, I think that would be a win/win for everyone. But for now we have to accept the good with the bad. It's like how we shouldn't ban free speech just because people will inevitably use it to say awful things.
No. 1820936
>>1820911>This is what gets me too. "LGB = pedo" was a stereotype in the 00s and when I was in fandom back then, it was the heterosexual male neckbeards that were into lolicon/straight shota, but proshippers are defending fictional pedophilia as "queer expression" when it's not any more "queer" than any other genre.It's because the entire discourse got muddied to hell and back. A lot of DDLG degenerates and actual pedos snuck into the proship community and started pressuring everyone to whiteknight child rape fiction as "it's either everything goes or nothing goes". Proships, being mostly women who just wanted to be left alone, were too afraid to really get a say in this so the narrative was spun around as "it's actually a queer awakening see I never had a childhood so by reading toddlercon rapefics I realized I was a transfem nonbinary catgirl". And to be fair, antis also had their share of groomers faking being "the good adult who doesn't consume that filth" and then pressuring underage antis into sending nudes or engage in sexual convos.
But that said, LGB fiction does get branded as pedophilic a lot. Just like the proship side of the debate was infested with unhinged porn addicts, the antis were co-opted by homophobic puritans to some degree. If you have ever noticed, they tend to have a problem with ships that are more traditionally homo-aligned and they get branded as pedophilic, incestuous,
abusive, glorifying rape etc. while straight ships with similar dynamics or even a more
problematic one get a pass. I've seen a lot of people freak the fuck out at m/m or f/f ships featuring two consenting adults and bend out of shape to call them
problematic, but then turn around and gush about their favourite rapey homicidal moid character and self insert.
No. 1820938
>>1820877i think fanfiction, even when it's extremely "degenerate" (very subjective term imo), is just fanfiction and ultimately harmless especially in comparison to other thing being spread online. i think anyone who gets super upset over any kind of fanfic needs to learn to use the tagging system for their own well being and maybe just focus on something else (or maybe use another platform than ao3?). and it's not just because i have a reductive view of fiction, it's also because fanfics, especially the most weird ones, are part of a very fringe culture and don't really have an impact. if you're gonna be mad about letters on a page/screen, at least be mad about published, known works that are popular and have a bigger audience.
>Including RPF seems like such a retarded move on their part, I'm waiting for the day a celeb tries to sue because of it.i'm sorry but that would be completely ridiculous. look at all the hyper realistic deep fake ai porn being created and sold every day by moids, i think most celebs who give a shit would be more worried about things like that if anything.
>But the one thing I absolutely can't stand is those who equate AO3's entire existence with Kweer Activismthis i agree with. but i think this and other silly arguments like it is a result of antis making their anti-ism into a political standpoint to garner support. so the other side just starts doing the same thing accordingly and makes up their own retarded political arguments for why they should be allowed to post the content they like.
No. 1821064
>>1820936>A lot of DDLG degenerates and actual pedos snuck into the proship community and started pressuring everyone to whiteknight child rape fiction as "it's either everything goes or nothing goes". Proships, being mostly women who just wanted to be left alone, were too afraid to really get a say in thisA lot of social justice issues we're dealing with now are from the progressive side being too scared of "gatekeeping" and drawing lines in the sand, IMO. So it just becomes all or nothing, either "so open minded your brains fell out" or rebranded fundie Christian "sin" mindset. I'm honestly shocked that a lot of proshippers are too wrapped up in their right to jack off to dubcon twincest to notice that actual pedophiles have taken advantage of their rhetoric. One of my peak moments was I saw a lot of proship discourse accounts support Protasia (modern NAMBLA organization), who tried to defend a website taken down by an actual sex offender that had stories about babies and incest as something no different that AO3, even though it was taken down because the creator also hosted a forum that exchanged CP behind the scenes.
>And to be fair, antis also had their share of groomers faking being "the good adult who doesn't consume that filth" and then pressuring underage antis into sending nudes or engage in sexual convos.Yeah, that's why I can't fully be on the anti side either aside from liking ships that aren't completely wholesome. A lot of them are wolves in sheep's clothing, kinda like how repressed conservative religious people are. Or a lot of antis are complete hypocrites by being into "
problematic" series like horror movies or Black Butler but tearing apart the fanwork. Or how when I was in original art circles, people would flex over how their OCs are literal serial killers but "at least they're not transphobic".
>But that said, LGB fiction does get branded as pedophilic a lot. Just like the proship side of the debate was infested with unhinged porn addicts, the antis were co-opted by homophobic puritans to some degree. If you have ever noticed, they tend to have a problem with ships that are more traditionally homo-aligned and they get branded as pedophilic, incestuous, abusive, glorifying rape etc. while straight ships with similar dynamics or even a more problematic one get a pass.I agree with you, but I also think it depends on the fandom. A lot of antis in my fandoms also railed against Reylo or girls who shipped their self-inserts with canon characters who were older men just as much as they railed against gay ships with a slight age gap. The "queer" antis were ironically the most homophobic because they kept eating their own and raising the bar on what was "acceptable representation", even if it was written by an actual LGB person.
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A03 has an issue "child erotica" hosted on their site, usually tagged under the LGBT+ tags, you can literally type any child actor's name in their search engine and you'll find written child porn, this is something you can't just let be cause the puriteens are are getting mad or whatever, it should actually count as a crime.
No. 1821109
>>1821064>A lot of social justice issues we're dealing with now are from the progressive side being too scared of "gatekeeping" and drawing lines in the sand, IMO.Oh definitely, it's an issue with a lot of female-centric communities as a whole. Women are rarely allowed to set boundaries because we get flooded with rape threats, doxxing and dogpiling if we do, and a terminally online pedo male with pronouns on bio is one of the most unhinged enemies you could make.
>Or a lot of antis are complete hypocrites by being into "problematic" series like horror movies or Black Butler but tearing apart the fanwork.The archetypal "anti" sperging about other fujos being evil rape addicted fetishizers while reading the content they created is a meme in itself.
>The "queer" antis were ironically the most homophobic because they kept eating their own and raising the bar on what was "acceptable representation", even if it was written by an actual LGB person.Exactly the issue. In my experience those "queer antis" were just thinly veiled homophobes themselves identifying as whatever and later down a line I feel like a significant number of them got a boyfriend and turned trad for him. Like how detransitioners notoriously make a 180 into full right wing advocates.
No. 1821110
>>1821093samefag and I looked into it and the only case I can find that isn't super ambiguous on written works is this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_v._DaltonThe gist of it is that he was writing graphic stories about fictional children but he was also previously charged with possession of actual csam/csem. This also happened in Ohio because of a specific Ohio law. AO3 runs on New York law.
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I've been getting into Ranfren lately and my god is the fandom abysmal. It's just full of the most mentally ill art of self-harm and trannies. I thought about making fan content for it but I don't think I want to deal with the obviously very mentally damaged teen thembies who make up the fandom. Is there even anybody in the fandom who is somewhat normal (i.e. someone who is not a self-harmer/tranny)? Makes me ashamed to even like Ranfren in the first place kek.
No. 1821380
>>1820877I think it's embarrassing and annoying how much of a chokehold fanfics have on fandoms.
Because of how degenerate fanfic writers get it's hard to implement censorship, where does it end and where does it stop? You can't really cry pedophilia when I'm so certain that a lot of the stories are written by minors, would you cry pedophilia because of the "my mum sold me to 1D" stories? Probably goes for a lot of the other fucked up stories they're probably written by teenagers.
Fans get very rabid in order to slander against ships they don't like you'll get all sorts of isms because of it. I think a manual system to check fanfics will probably be too taxing for AO3 and hiring volunteers will just lead to trouble.
I also don't understand what an anti or proshipper is and why it relates to
problematic ships.
No. 1821448
>>1821421it was a whole slew of retarded accusations that she made racist and nazi drawings. off the top of my head, i remember they called her ratmen characters asian stereotypes and found her old art, one which contained a swastika in it. nyen, one of the catmen, used to be all-black which made him look like a blackface caricature. it was a whole lot of fucking nothing and howdie, being in her 30s, rightfully ignored it which infuriated a lot of the twitter mob.
also, she has never come out as a tif herself and just says any pronoun is fine with her. she definitely supports trannies though and has tranny friends.
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genuinely what causes someone to type shit like this without a hint of irony or dying of cringe.
No. 1823231
>>1823206it would bite them harder to start censoring things
I find the amount of rape/noncon abysmal but in queer/women sites like these as soon as you give the mob an inch they will take a mile
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No. 1823444
>>1823291NTA but I interpreted her use of "queer" in the way that's what a lot of fandom/art spaces call themselves. Not in a "this is a real and
valid label" way.
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>>1815569>shipping was a huge part of my fandom experience in the early 00's and it had been for others since BBSs were a thing. It just wasn't as visible to people not looking for it due to fandoms being more clustered in different communities than it is now.Shipping was important, but it didn't subsume every other character's aspect. I want to use the example of the recent re-popularity of Ranma. Previously, the shipping was between akane x ranma (the actual canon ship) and some fujos shipping ranam x ryoga. That was usually the extent of the shipping. However, now everyone gets shipped with everyone, not based on canon interactions, but based on what people project as an aesthetic. So, a recent popular ship is female ranma x shampoo, because it's allegedly "
toxic yuri"
No. 1824168
>>1824128>Shipping was important, but it didn't subsume every other character's aspect.Exactly.
>Previously, the shipping was between akane x ranma (the actual canon ship) and some fujos shipping ranam x ryoga. That was usually the extent of the shipping. However, now everyone gets shipped with everyone, not based on canon interactions, but based on what people project as an aesthetic. So, a recent popular ship is female ranma x shampoo, because it's allegedly "toxic yuri"TBF, "crack shipping" (either pure shitposts or "crack taken seriously"/"ships that pass in the night") were a thing in the 2000s but they were treated as just for fun or a niche. I actually kinda like rarepairs or never-met shippings if thought is put into them, but so often it's just randomly shoving two characters and forcing them to fit within the tropes. That's also always existed, but it turns into the same tropes ("
toxic yuri", "babygirl (male)", "girlboss", "queerhet where the woman pegs the man") but with different characters.
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dark fantasy and its consequences have been devastating to women
No. 1824265
>>1814825>I just hate the idea that people aren't allowed to dislike a badly written female character because they're in a cast of mostly men, Jenny Nicholson did a pretty entertaining video about this sort of thing for some Star Wars character that pretty perfectly sums up the whole situation of fandom liking female characters in 99% male stories because…they exist.This is such a huge issue in current day fandom! I'm a big Star Wars fan (and an Obi-wan fan) and I remember when that awful shit show that was Kenobi. No one was allowed to critic Reva, who was the most annoying, pointless character to exist (she actually almost breaks canon in A New Hope by meeting Luke??) it's so good. But if you dare speak up against her, you were labeled racist or sexist. I hate it.
>>1815411Only time will tell. Hoping it's the Kojima way, since I haven't heard anything about Inafune since Blood Curse came out.
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How far gone do you have to be to be doing proship vs. anti discourse about a DreamWorks movie, these people would defend brony porn artists if they could
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>>1824812Oh my god its that one person kek
No. 1824851
>>1824812She's not wrong, go back to twitter and take this retarded discourse with you. If it was 2011 people would've been telling oncest shippers to K
LL THEMSELVES GODDAMN PDO PR*SHIPPERS
>>1824816I don't really see what's so weird about this, learning to sympathize and understand different people through media is why inclusiveness is favored in anything targeted at adolescents. I presume she was in her teens watching this and growing up in a homophobic household so it's not something completely outlandish and cringe.
No. 1825020
>>1825010Because it's never "observing and analyzing", the OP has clearly picked a side and seethes hard about it. Nobody wants to see this chronically online "antis vs pros" brainrot on Lolcow, it always devolves into underage twitter users trying to make the evil
terf site into their personal army and undercover moids grabbing the opportunity to bitch about women.
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I don't know if this is drag or tranny speak but I never want to see this shit again
this better get wrapped up quickly and cringified and whoever says it exiled from society like the people who still make ohio jokes
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t. never
No. 1825234
>>1825225Fandoms currently already suck partly both because of that exact demographic and the faghags who kiss the ground they walk on but them being into femslash on top of that actually somehow will make fandom worse
Can you even imagine how a gay male would write lesbian fanfiction?
No. 1825548
>>1824812I think it's a very big shame when children's media fandoms get infiltrated by people who have fetishes for the characters or whatever. We all saw what happened to My Little Pony and how that turned out.
I think a lot of people agree that children's spaces on the Internet (namely video games and educational sites) are going extinct, but honestly I think children's media/spaces actually being for kids died a long time ago. My Little Pony was the beginning of the end.
No. 1825838
>>1825810No they shouldn't, but that stuff leaks out and this isn't about Twitter specifically. And also, making or talking about something on one site doesn't mean it will never go outside of that. I do agree kids shouldn't really be online like that but that's not really reality unfortunately.
>fandoms are for grownupsI guess this depends on what you consider a fandom.
>>1825817How many kids are actually using those kek. They're on TikTok. I guess Roblox and Fortnite are popular but that's it and afaik Fortnite isn't a kid's game.
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everyone praising him as if he's sooo progressive when all he did is set her up for harassment. I hate race-swaps so much, an unnecessary virtue-signal that weakens media. People are so obsessed on representation, as if real life doesn't matter anymore
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>>1825588Well color me surprised cuz I have been japed by it. I guess it's poe's law in action, kinda like picrel.
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>>1825842Race swaps are even worse when you can't say anything or else you're deemed racist. Wasabi from Big Hero 6 was race swapped to a black dude, when the character was already Samoan. When do we ever get samoan characters in films?? Everyone was supposed to be asian in some way, so that's the biggest bullshit to race swap him.
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>>1825842Honestly, all the race swapping complaints about Percy Jackson were ridiculous to me. It's been a series where there's a lot of different races for a while. I know it's been considered woke but I think it's silly that this is what caused the most outrage. Grover was also raceswapped but people only feel a need to attack and complain about the young girl.
No. 1825875
>>1825857>Also how can anyone take this seriously, everything about this image screams parodyYou'd be surprised at how many are tricked by things like these.
It's not even that people are stupid, it's just that everyone so used to seeing stupid shit from kweers that even obvious parodies can appear sincere.
No. 1826537
It's tiresome engaging with fandom content nowdays. People are to sensitive to edgy humor/shitposting, everything turns into a moral crusade, people treat shipping as a political stance, most of fanart is ugly and about how heckin trans and valid the characters are. People don't know how to analyze or discuss content anymore, if I want to discuss headcanons about characters, I want to think about things related to the plot and the character, I don't care who fucks who or what niche micro identities they have. I only follow asian artists now, because they post their art and don't sperg about their personal issues, treating their page as an open oversharing diary like western artists do. It's sad to see how it turned into shit, I used to have a lot of fun as a tween/teen on deviantart/tumblr in the late 00's-early 10's. I miss when the internet wasn't this capitalist hell hole of influencers and ads, maybe that's what killed fandoms.
No. 1826658
>>1806090haha I had a call-out thread against me once lmao
Because I said I wouldn't write gay or trans fanfiction. I was labelled a
Terf (lol) yet the discord I was a part of that had (mainly) FtM on it took my side lol I was 'popular' (meaning my content saw a lot of engagement) in the fandom and had people drawing fan art of the fics I wrote, which was cool. It was weak on my part and sounds like a copout, I know. But I was IRL not doing well. Financially, life was on a downturn, so I stopped writing fanfics that were self-insert in nature. Y'know those x reader ones. Cringe, I know.
It was honestly so funny in hindsight. Minors, whom I didn't write, for telling me to kill myself lol and when others called them out, "I'm ONLY 17, leave me alone!" Never underestimate teenagers during the pandemic who have nothing better to do. Fanfic calls for death threats if someone doesn't want to write a tranny fantasy. The ones who made the call-out post dropped off from the fandom 2-3 months later. Some even sent them messages telling them that they ruined the fandom. Other blogs I was mutual with stopped writing for the fandom months after I stopped because it was growing
toxic, in their words. I had a larger support network than the people who called me out did. Go figure lol
All in all, it was a neat experience. Call-out posts are never that fucking serious and are often done for vendetta reasons.
No. 1826680
>>1826673>how fandom should be safe for children.That anon is not me and this is not what I said, you just misunderstood the entire thing. I thought I already clarified that when said
>The original point was never that adults shouldn't be allowed to make whatever they wantIdk why I even bothered posting an opinion on this thread kek
No. 1826698
>>1826697Don't bother
nonny, certain people can't read here
No. 1826704
>>1826702No one has to use nta, this is an anonymous site
>>1826700That post doesn't even say anything about shipping
No. 1826740
>>1826704>>1826702>>1826701You are all INCORRECT
You should be using ntn (not that nona)
No. 1826774
>>1825878No I don't believe so.
>>1825873Samefag but also, iirc the gods can have any physical appearance, don't have DNA, and Athena's kids are made from her thoughts rather than actual procreation, so not even book Annabeth was Greek. I just don't think the race swapping argument works with a series that relies so heavily with magic. I do agree that they're setting up these black actresses to be attacked though.
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>>1826846Fire Emblem got worse after three houses and has gone downhill since then in design when they hired vtuber artists to do their art picrel is Corrin in Fates for the 3ds
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>>1826889vs how she looks in Fire Emblem Engage for the Switch
No. 1826922
>>1826889>>1826893Please don't remind me… I boycotted Engage just because of the art style. At least in 3H Kurahana Chinatsu made good designs, it's just that the art director decided to do almost all the in-game art and he doesn't know how to fucking draw, I guess Kurahana is too expensive for IS? Sometimes I want Kozaki to come back because his style really looks good in 3D but at the same time he worked on AI the Somnium Files and its sequels right after that and he made Date and Ryuki look really hot so I'm not going to complain too much.
>>1826441Thanks for proving my point. FE fans are spoiled brats because you guys see a perfectly normal game and act like it's Sonic 06. The only real flaws are the localization and the fact that BR and CQ aren't sold on the same cartridge (except in Korea I think? I know there's only one country where that's not the case).
No. 1826949
>>1826937>it should have ended the series like it was plannedAre you really surprised a company would want to make even more money after having a major success with a new product they thought would flop? I don't agree or disagree with you but you know that Awakening would have only been the last game of the series because the devs thought it would be a failure.
>the only flaw is that you need to pay 100$+ to get the full (and bad) experienceIt's not that amount, it's more like 80$ or € depending on where you live, because if you get one version the other versions are less expensive. So it's the equivalent of buying three games for 80$, the only really bad route is Revelation, it's an easy skip imo.
>>1826935I don't think it's the best game but I think it's very fun to play (except Revelation because wtf were they thinking), I started with Awakening and I'm into plenty of other games so it's not like I have a special attachement to the series as a whole.
No. 1826975
>>1826766I see
way more destructive moid coomer fuckery than trannyshit around, and often there's general overlap between those two demographics. The MLP fandom is a prime example of how unwashed incels ruin a property to the point even the creator starts hating it.
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Just saw this and it makes total sense to me. It's similar to how people who are unhappy with and have no control over their own lives focus their attention into online cancellation campaigns because that's the only situation they can feel powerful in. But what annoys me about this is how america-centric it is. Just because they fucked themselves, everyone else on the internet has to suffer through their cultural issues as well. I wish it was literally any other country that had such a chokehold on the world
No. 1827073
>>1826979Tranny shit is also harder to filter than r34.
>>1826975Okay but MLP is the only example of this that got that bad.
No. 1827082
>>1826979Tranny shit is miles worse, r34 artists get shamed and shunned by "antis" if they draw
problematic ships. Tranny shit is completely unavoidable and in all fandom space and you are not allowed to complain
No. 1827113
>>1825588This fucking thread has actual spectrum autists constantly posting obvious satire tweets as serious takes because they can't pick up on the irony, then they get mad at anons telling them it's a joke and go "H-HOW DO YOU KNOW!!!!" because they get embarrassed and go on the defensive.
>>1826668This, it's one thing to laugh at autists being degenerates but moralfagging over muh kids seeing it is actually retarded and cringe. Kids will come across hardcore IRL porn or have some degenerate send them dick pics online before their first trolls NSFW art.
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I just don't understand what the conclusion to this 'pornifying children's media' is meant to be? Yeah, it is cringe and degenerate, but it seems statistically unlikely that anyone itt does it, meaning no one here can stop doing the bad cringe thing as no one is doing that to start with, so what are we supposed to do?
>if you are a child
Stop having neglectful and internet illiterate parents, go read a book.
>if you are not a child
Find a ways to avoid being exposed to content that disgusts you.
Personally, I'm the kind who just keeps scrolling if I see something gross or at most share it with someone to cringe with. But maybe I am the one in the wrong, maybe I'm hypocritical, cause I say these people are disgusting and even pedophiles but then do nothing about it. Maybe the twitterfags making call out docs and trying to contact people's employers are the ones in the right for actively trying to get rid of these people, who know?
No. 1827180
>>1827160This whole thread is mostly venting about retarded fandom trends so there isn't really a solution. Some anons are really defensive over this, I personally don't like it but it will always exist. It shouldn't be illegal or anything and some outlandish stuff if funny, but it gets tiring how some people (read: usually men and pickme women) are so porn addicted they can't watch anything without inserting porn into it. Tthe assumption that we can't complain about moids running everything when "tranny shit has infested everything" (newsflash: TIMs are men) is what I don't get.
>>1827171She means it's unlikely anyone itt pornifies children shows.
No. 1827233
>>1827150This, literally nobody here likes trannies or capes for them. Trying to absolve the shit coommoids do because of "b-but trannies" is retardation, especially because male troons are still men. Aidens drawing their cuntboy headcanons and posting untagged transboy fics is infuriating but an inconvenience at worst, all penis havers are the actual least common denominator in all of degenerate fandom bullshit.
>>1827180I agree that the kid show porn and NSFW artist trying to be edgy by pornifying kids' shows is in poor taste and as tacky as can be like creating Bowsette style coomshit versions etc. but acting as if it's ~literally ruining children~ is concern trolling. There are better discussions to be had about that topic.
No. 1827285
>>1826766Trans shit and coomer moids who love to corrupt kids' media are two sides of the same coin.
Lots of tims are coomers and in general coom fanart and the proliferation of porn make it easier for gender ideology to take a hold on people. After all, look at how many trannies (both m and f) are obsessed with porn and fetishes or self-identify as asexual.
If you look at the root of things you can't criticize one without the other.
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I hate coomer moids and I think they should stop drawing. I'm not going to justify their gloating about ruining childhoods and cooming to cartoons just because some parents are neglectful retards. They gloat about """corrupting children""" all the time and time and time again shitty moids masked their content so that children would find it.
Women who draw/write coomshit and aren't stupid pickmes are 1000% better than them about actually having content warnings and hiding their shit away. It's because women actually know shame, while so many coomer men live to shock and pretend to be transgressive.
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>>1827296Porn in fandom has always existed yes but personally I think the current troon-loving fandom wouldn't exist without its prior years of TRAPS ARE NOT GAY and porn of characters like Bridget becoming popular. Partially it was done due to tumblr activism but that doesn't reach the male sphere of fandom.
I'm not even against fandom porn and I hate zoomers that want to censor ao3, but I just don't see how the rise of troonism in fandom wasn't helped by porn.
No. 1827356
>>1827340Personally I disagree because I've seen too many autistic moids troon out due to fandom and fandom peer influence.
Fandom tifs also cape for fandom tims very hard so yeah.
Tims might not infest most female fandom spaces with their shit but sadly that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in fandom at large. I feel bad for normal (aka not troon) Transformers fujos because they have the worst of both worlds in their fandom, both tifs and tims.
No. 1827467
>>1825880>But of course, no one cares about the gang-banging or drug dealing Muslim men, but god forbid your daughter wants to go bowling with her friends or extracurricular activitiesim not muslim, but the situation you described hit so close to home. my immigrant parents never let me hang out with friends after school and they didn't put me in extracurricular activities so i had nothing to do at home but browse the internet. that's how i grew up being terminally online. thankfully, i came of age before the internet became inescapable, so im grateful i turned out relatively normal (eg didn't troon out).
this makes me wonder how many of these terminally online fandom kids grew up with strict/controlling parents, especially from more traditional/conservative cultures. ime i notice that what happened to me is not uncommon among 2nd gen east/southeast/south asian immigrants
>be a girl born into a patriarchal culture>parents force you to stay at home>don't let you go outside unless its for school or school-related>can't hang out with friends>absolutely no boyfriends or contact allowed with the opposite sex>nothing to do at home but have unlimited, unfiltered internet access>fall into fannish hobbies>most if not all of your friends are online friends>your entire sex education comes from fanficin the worst case scenario you end up socially retarded, stuck in perpetual arrested development because your adolescent years were spent online while your peers were developing their social skills to prepare for the "real" world. ofc there's lots of variables at play, but my point is that i would not be surprised if a lot of these terminally online kids were failed by their parents.
No. 1827471
>>1827290It honestly shouldn't be that hard.
My parents would just put me on a Barbie/cartoon network/Garfield site and have the computer screen facing them while they sat back and watched TV. Never came across porn or groomers because I was too busy playing flash games.
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>>1827464Italy loves yaoi since the early 2000s and we had so many cringe but free fujos back then. A lot of them were older than teenagers though so it wasn't exactly like in the US.
No. 1827821
>>1827625some of you are so dense. We all agree mlp/bluey/whatever moid degeneracy shouldnt exist, but it's literally impossible for it to vanish so the only solution is to not let kids online. It's like you guys dont really care about children's safety and are just using it as an excuse to hate on NSFW artwork, which is totally
valid and i agree, but dont make it about kid's safety.
No. 1827874
>>1827821I make nsfw artwork, not of any fandom and yet I also think it's wishful and naive to think parents can afford 100% surveilance of kids.
I actually relate similarly to muslim anon, you can blame parents all you want, and you'd be correct. But reality is they'll never care even if they're seeing their child watching minecraft alex gets stuck in fencepost #45 youtube short as long as their kid isn't out whoring themselves in public. We just want people in their best behavior and if you think so too, then glad we're on the same page I guess.
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>>1827821I mean if it were for me I wouldn't let children browse the internet unsupervised until they're 16.
I'm just venting over online coomer moids who want to sexualize everything.
It's safe to assume that when people itt complain about degen porn of kids' cartoons they don't mean they want to censor
problematic guro yaoi mpreg fic that's hidden in the depths of ao3. Yet so far that seems to be what we have to read between the lines of these posts, that if you complain you're quietly supporting censorship or want to get coomer artists fired. "Just block it, just avoid it, kids shouldn't even be online, you just had bad parents" are repeated like mantras when that wasn't even the point in the first place (as as if we don't already block and avoid this shit in the first place; I have an extremely curated online experience due to politic sperging infesting western fandoms). The point is that I hate coomer moids and I want them to stop wanting to fuck the creature made of literal spheres just because it's female and wears a ribbon. YES, it's impossible to stop them from wanting to fuck and "corrupt" (their words) female characters of all shapes, sizes and species. It's impossible to stop them from making their coom a big fucking deal everytime a new cute female character exists. It's impossible to stop them from being so pornbrained that now Vaporeon is associated with cartoon zoophilia.
But that doesn't mean I can't complain about it and hope for a better world where they actually learn the meaning of shame and keep their shit out of reach. I'm emphasizing 'out of reach' because that's the fucking problem: coom is their personality and they must show it everywhere like exhibitionists. If it weren't for them, things like Ankha Zone wouldn't have become a world wide meme.
And yes it's depressingly easy to also talk about children when it comes to this topic because I've seen a stupid amount of coomer moids gloat about wanting to corrupt them. Personally it's another reason for me to keep kids offline and far away from google searches but I'm not going to act like coomer moids aren't the problem.
Coomer women are infinite times better unless they're pickmes who emulate moids. Just the fact that tags like "Dead Dove Don't Eat" exist on Ao3 shows that fandom women curate porn spaces and the spread of NSFW in the right way.
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These morons really think that any character with a skin tone that isn't 100% snow white or has a slight tan is automatically BIPOC or whatever, also kinda fucked up that it signals out east asian artists in particular.
No. 1828104
>>1828046Western liberals must be exhausted. They wake up every single day and ask "how can I make myself a
victim"? How do they even come up with this retarded shit? The same people who think Tan Asians don't exist
No. 1828128
>>1827467God that's my life right there. I suck at networking despite having a degree because I feel intense shame at the thought of a party and I really suck at talking to men.
Strongly believe in getting kids out the house by any means necessary. More parks, more extracurricular activates, let kids loiter around, late nights at the library, more arcades, etc.
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>>1828131She's the princess of the desert region, and she has the same personality and design as Peach, with the only difference being her red hair. However, that hasn't deterred wokies from projecting onto her. In many fandom HC's, she is often depicted as dark-brown or straight-up black. Additionally, her personality is often portrayed as more domineering for some unknown reason.
No. 1828144
>>1828135>In many fandom HC's, she is often depicted as dark-brown or straight-up black. This wouldn't be a big deal as long as they knew it was just a headcanon/interpretation and not how she's intended to be. "Sarasland" in Super Mario Land is based off of several different real life regions, I doubt Nintendo meant it to be that deep but if they want to imagine she's mixed-race it wouldn't be baseless.
>Additionally, her personality is often portrayed as more domineering for some unknown reason.Now that's just flat out racist, lmao.
No. 1828255
>>1816338girl this isn't true for most white girls either. You're looking at a very specific group of people that would have ended up into weird shit because of internet exposure.
>>1825880You just had strict parents it's why you somehow ended up here out of all places talking about fandom shit, I'm pretty sure the rest of your friend or women in your life are definitely debating over BL-race-religion nonsense.
>>1825842>I choose you to get harassed >You will always be thought of as black!AnnabethBack before I dropped the books Annabeth came off as an antithesis to the "dumb blond" stereotype which is why she's super smart
Doesn't even matter, I wouldn't be surprised if the fandom doesn't give her much attention and the moment Nico shows up she's going to be irrelevant in fandom spaces
The Spiderverse movies is probably the only instance fans obsessed over black and brown characters the same way they obsessed over white characters and it felt very natural and not forced.
No. 1828258
>>1828254You're right I forgot about madoka magica. "She's literally me" Homura girls give me life.
Where are Rei and Asuka from?
No. 1828269
>>1828268>>1828255IIRC in the books Annabeth complains (a lot) about how she's not taken seriously because she's blonde
even though her not being taken seriously for being female would have made more sense but when the first Percy Jackson book came out, the "dumb blonde" stereotype was outdated to the point of parody. Legally Blonde came out in 2001.
No. 1828283
>>1827821>We all agree mlp/bluey/whatever moid degeneracy shouldnt exist, but it's literally impossible for it to vanish so the only solution is to not let kids onlineSA from
>>1827467 - this gets at the heart of the problem. let's be real, moid degeneracy has existed since time immemorial. whether its muslim men being hypocritical, catholic priests sexually abusing young boys, or moids being rape apes, all of these behaviors predate the internet. people were making tijuana bibles before r34 became a phenomenon. as for the relationship between fandom and troons, autogynephiles and sissies were being a menace before bridget and jun watarase even found their claim to fame on 4chan.
it's not a debate of "stop lewding characters from kids' media / nsfw art is bad and you're a filthy criminal if you enjoy anything not 100% puritan" vs "stop being shitty parents and letting your kids have free reign over the internet / kids should stay out of fandom period" because of these sentiments can simultaneously both be
valid. the current fandom milieu - the paradoxical juxtaposition of a purity-obsessed crowd with a porn-obsessed crowd - is a direct consequence of a new generation of kids being given unfettered access to extreme content that previously existed behind closed doors. back in the day if you were a horny teen you needed to jump through hoops to get even a crumb of risque content, like sneaking off with books/magazines/videotapes or trying to make out a staticky image on the pay-per-view channels. now, unlimited porn - and more extreme content than you could ever imagine, on top of that - is only a few clicks away. content that otherwise would have been under tight wraps is more accessible than ever. despite attempts to corporatize the internet, it still is the wild west out here. this freedom is heaven for coombrained moids because they can indulge in their degeneracy - which they previously had to at least pretend to contain - with no restraints or consequences.
>>1827815>it's clear they never unlearned the conservative values they got from their parents, they just gave it a rainbow coat of paintlol are you referring to the "pushing the m/f agenda but call it lgbt/transwashing m/m couples" crowd or the "gay sex and homosexuality is inherently dirty so we must make it as wholesome and unproblematic as possible" mindset?
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>>1828538It unironically makes them deeply insecure, it's crazy. It's like garlic to a vampire. Troons are literally the most hardline conservatives when it comes to gender roles.
>really gets me and makes me experience a-log levels of autistic rage.I'm not nearly as invested as I maybe should be, but it does make me seethe when there's a drawing of a butch or a masculine woman and there's 50 comments talking about her being transmasc or nb. A character can't just be gnc there's got to be some gender woo-woo going on because why else would you not conform if you don't feel like you belong? And it's all the time, in every fandom. There's no certain way for a man or woman to look except that when they do they're something else.
No. 1828597
>>1828532sa from
>>1828283. seriously, they just traded one extremist misogynistic anti-intellectual mindset belief system (eg fundamentalist christianity) for another equally reductive, restrictive belief system (the gender cult). this isn't surprising since the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. it's not just a fandom thing, i notice it happens to other women who grow up in fundie or super religious/conservative households (see aellagirl's thread for a cow example).
however, the gender cult sucks in people from all walks of life. i blame libfems for that, the kind who sincerely believe that becoming a pornified bimbo is the ultimate act of feminine resistance. then you end up with women who identify as non-binary because consciously or not, they know they can't fit female beauty standards = demi lovato is a textbook example.
No. 1828744
>>1827464yaoi is banned in Russia recently, otherwise it was a thing even before yaoi term was known, due naruto intense popularity, and nitro+chiral franchise were a meme in 10s even in normies spaces (i still remember animes majority comments were posted by guys kekk)
overall, in my personal experience it was pretty chill
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Do you agree?
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>>1828932Yes. I still remember when Rika from Pokemon (picrel) came out being like the first genuinely androgynous, masculine female character in ages and moids got busy drawing coomshit art of her everywhere wearing sexy feminine lingerie with huge tits and hips. It's clear they got off to the thought of "feminizing the tomboy".
No. 1828947
>>1828941All i saw of her was "he/him/they" and "must he trans" posts. In fact the local no-effort
problematic troon claimed her and cosplayed her and I've not been able to enjoy Rika since then.
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>>1828960>Look at what they did to naoto and king in canonAre you seriously kidding me? I used to play KoF when I was younger, and I was obsessed with all the character designs. King was one of my favorites though, and I even started taekwondo classes because of her. I haven't played any of the other games, but damn, her current design might as well be a completely different character altogether.
No. 1829180
>>1828922Let me guess, Enstars?
>Is it a twitter meme?Sadly no, it isn't, they genuinely believe that obviously male characters are trans in some way.
No. 1829278
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Now that I've beaten both AI The Somnium Files games I can safely look for art and fics of these games without worrying about spoilers and of course, a bunch of writers make Ryuki an insecure fakeboi in their fics. I'm assuming it's the exact same thing as Apollo Justice, he's a younger, shorter, cuter protagonist as opposed to the first one in their respective series. Except Ryuki isn't even a manlet this time. Now what's funny is pic related. I wonder if the devs are talking about Ryuki being a popular character with actual gay guys or if they're talking about the very vocal English speaking twitter fakebois because the games are more popular in the West than in Japan.
>>1828242Did anyone mention Nana Osaki? When Nana was popular when I was in middle and high school a lot of girls irl and online were saying they'd go gay for her or wanted to be a bad bitch like her. It was long ago and iirc the manga became popular again with zoomers recently so maybe these younger new fans have different opinions on the characters. If that's the case I'm genuinely curious as to what they think about it.
>>1829209I just saw a gay Japanese guy on twitter yesterday who posts his art of characters from AITSF and who has one of the minor characters as his husbando, checked his likes because good artists tend to follow each other. One of the tweets he liked was about how even some LGBT Japanese were against Kadokawa not translating and publishing "Irreversible Damage" in Japanese anymore because they wanted to read it too and make their own opinions so it's basically censorship. That was a nice surprise. Long ago the artist Kotteri also liked a tweet about some American female biology professor doing a public speech about how men can never, ever be men and how absurd that notion was too.
No. 1829305
>>1829286Kozaki is also a bit of a westboo as well but I'm sure the fact that Uchikoshi is bilingual has something to do with him putting your average 14yo American girl opinions in his otakubait games. It's super jarring seeing Mizuki talking like a tumblrina from 2012 right between scenes of Mama sexually harassing male characters in a way that makes him look like a very offensive stereotype of gay men and Date saying he loves NTR porn kek. There's that and how the stories take place in Japan and have a bunch of Japanese concepts that don't really translate well outside of Asia like in the first game
when Date's backstory is reveal and the killer says that if anyone knew, the entire police force would be fucked and a bunch of higher ups would kill themselves in shame, meanwhile in the West nobody would give a fuck and it would maybe be in the news for a few weeks. That's also something I've noticed with English speaking nerds from countries that don't have English as an official or common language tbh. Ameriboos here in France who are fluent in English will also annoy the fuck out of you with these topics while one who's only fluent in French will at most focus on topics that directly concern them, like when Black Panther got released and you'd see a bunch of Black and North African movie goers praise the movie for being about a fictional African country that had a fun plot and cool fight scenes.
>The games basically have a non-existent fanbase in JapanThat's kind of sad, I think the games are pretty fun despite some of their flaws. I honestly can't blame Uchikoshi for acting like a clown to amuse Western fans because business is business and he has to pay bills like anyone else.
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>>1829278Never played the sequel because I really didn't care for the first game (slightly OT: but every Uchikoshi game kind of has the same overall plot, I'd say ever17 did it best and even then I wasn't that impressed by it.) but considering how hard Uchikoshi panders to troons I really don't think it's a surprise that there's a lot of fakeboi stuff for AI.
No. 1829315
>>1829313In that case I can't really recommend the second game, it was fun but some parts contradict or undermines the first game's plot in a way I won't describe because spoilers. I'd say the story is a bit weaker as a result.
>I'd say ever17 did it bestI'll add it to my list of games/VNs I should try someday then. But if it's really that similar to his other games I'm not sure I'll be impressed by it. I'll see about that.
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>>1829324tbh the "men loving men" phrase made me wonder if it wasn't just the translator of that artbook being an idiot or if it's how Uchikoshi really phrased it in the interview.
No. 1829369
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>>1829043Sadly the appeal of King was always inherently coomerish. In her series of origins, Art of Fighting, the player could tear off her shirt and reveal her boobs (and true sex) if she's defeated with a super move. It's done to titillate players but also because in the story she hides as a male bouncer, due to the fact she had to work in the slums and because nobody took her seriously as a woman. For extra cringy points, when Ryo Sakazuki (the protagonist) finds out King is a woman he is indifferent to that and calls her a strong opponent, which makes King fall in love with him.
Now after years of AoF content in King of Fighters all that remains of King is that she loves Ryo but she is too shy to admit it.
Art of Fighting always did the whole "sexy strip" with their female characters and only the third game made the handsome men have more than a few strips of clothes ripped off of them.
Also AoF had an actual female fanbase but that's because they found the male protagonists hot husbandos.
That said, King was androgynous for most of the 90s and her fangirls liked her for that.
Her male fans always drew her coomified however and as soon as we got the current KoF art directors (who are huge coomers), King was basically made to be a bombshell in a super tight suit that shows off everything. Basically all her original appeal was lost, even if I personally hate that appeal and it's why I never really played Art of Fighting.
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>>1829369Addendum: Art of Fighting still has a female fanbase and most of its art is from women. Mostly it's husbandoposting but there's also an absolutely deranged female coomer that draws every fetish under the sun for all the sexes and characters in the series.
Ryo Sakazaki also got once in a low budget otome game and and anothet time into a mildly popular short-lived otome gacha alongside his friend Robert Garcia. Picrel is from that gacha (The King of Fighters for Girls).
I personally don't get it but it's funny to see. I guess because there are so few female characters in them, 90s fighting games attracted women and some of those women still love their old husbandos. Idk. Like I said I can't get into AoF, it's too lecherous towards its women.
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>>1829369The intention was likely coomerish, but it was probably a reference to her inspiration, King was based on a minor side villain in a Hong-Kong martial arts action movie, where she was played by a Dutch Muay champion Saskia Van Rijswijk
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>>1829383nta, but I've sperged about this before, I'm assuming that most of these fans come from LatAm and certain countries in Asia. In those places, it was quite common to play emulated games from the 90s and 2000's. The KoF series was very popular and caught a lot of our attention. The fighting mechanics were fine enough to enjoy, but what really made it stand out was the character designs. They were absolutely amazing, with stunning pixel art and characters inspired by action movies and the fashion trends of the 90s and 2000s. I remember searching for any anime adaptations of the series and feeling so disappointed when I couldn't find any.
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>>1829383Her art gives coomer + slimy fujo vibes. This is the only one I saved because it's funny.
Iirc she drew every fetish with Ryo Sakazaki, even het incest and zoophilia.
>>1829393Yea, I forgot to mention it, but I would argue the stripping in the original movie is also meant to be titillating even if far less egregious.
No. 1829796
>>1828774I remember seeing a post where someone was happy that some Chinese women were arrested over fanfiction because they were "dirty fujoshis".
Absolutely demented. No one deserves to be arrested over fucking fiction.
No. 1829926
>>1829911honestly this
thanks nona had exact thoughts but couldn't come up with capacious writing
No. 1829937
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Never thought I'd find myself wanting to defend vivziepop of all people
No. 1829944
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>>1829911Fujos trying to act like their feminist is frankly offensive. Whether you like it or not, fujos side with coomers and perverts. Japanese fujos sided with lolicon artists to protest against any sort of censorship of children's smut stories. That's the reason I call it porn addiction. cause If you had a choice between ending all forms of lolicon but all you had to do was give up your precious yaoi, you wouldn't and couldn't do it.
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NOBODY REPLY TO THE BAIT. REPORT AND DO NOT ENGAGE
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>>1829937I feel like Vivziepop is the prime example that female fandom people (especially enbies, tifs and other people of gender) are always out to criticize and scrutinize women before ever considering doing the same to men.
Aside from literal pedos like Shadman it's always female creators being put through these purity trials and raked through the coals, always being nitpicked for absolutely stupid shit ("oh no think of all the poor voodoo shamans Vivziepop hurt because she thought voodoo dolls are cool!").
The truth is that Vivziepop did nothing they can really call morally wrong yet they still hate her because she's a woman, they're jealous she got popular working on her cringy 2006 emo cartoons about gay shipping and she won't bend over and apologize for being "
problematic".
They're just trying to find excuses to attack her because she's proud of being what they hate about themselved, an unapologetic cringy nerdy woman being edgy who writes h0t yaoiz.
Also yes I'm aware Vivzie's cartoons are annoyingly misogynistic and that she'd rather write about gay boiz being abused by evil bitchez than make us sympathize with her female characters. She's kinda a cow herself but the majority of the crap she's called out for is absolutely nothing, especially compared to male indie cartoonists.
No. 1830089
>>1830072If I ever publish my comic I'll do it anonymously under a pseudonym and pretend to be a man and watch the free clout roll in while producing the most
problematic garbage I can think of. The constant disproportionate hate vivziepop gets for strangest of crimes is bleak as fuck, yeah she adds sadboy sparkledog yaoi everywhere and her designs are ugly, what else? What else has she done? Nothing? That's why people act like she's Satan herself? Every time on this website alone I see people hating her it's the same petty retardation which could be fixed by you just not watching her shows because nothing she's doing is actively destructive. She's so harmless and people rip their hair out trying to cancel her with so much gusto you'd wish they spared that for this week's scrote animator/showcreator who was outed for sexting 15-year olds. Lauren Faust is probably the only woman involved with cartoons that isn't actively being attacked all the time over internet drama but that's because she's older Gen X, has her foot so deep in the industry since the 90s and above all current day online crusaders aren't familiar with her work so they don't even know her name. I'd bet if Galaxy Girls came out now they'd find something to pelt her over with, I can guarantee that.
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>>1830094>How has she ever "appealed to wokies and gender special groups"? are you being serious? she retweets mostly liberal political options on her twitter, claimed anyone who didn't like the direction her series was going was homophobic and made a big deal about including a trans character in her series.
No. 1830141
>>1830125It's been literal months since I've visited that thread but my only recollection of anons talking about John K was him being called
abusive and a pedophile.
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>>1830125I looked it up, and your either misremembering or actively making shit up. All the responses were disgusted by the statement comparing John K to Viv, even though they dislike her work.
No. 1830157
>>1830143I swear there was one or two more anons that agreed to that statement, but it might've been deleted. I distinctly remember a reply started with an "I agree" or something along those lines. Probably was a moid tho. Also there are jhonen vasquez defenders in those threads. Despite this
>>>/snow/1310166 monstrosity. He's friends with a thousand and one pedos and his defenders came out of the woodworks with the excuse of replying to an autistic sperg
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>>1830143The western animation threads turned into the Vivziepop autistic haters' containment zone and takes like "At least John K. knew better than to turn his show into fanfiction~~!!!!11" is the nth proof of that (and no, two anons calling it out doesn't negate the fact someone actually wrote that). Let's also mention how in that thread they post new episodes and trailers for her shows (not milk) and her absolutely boring milquetoast takes (not milk) all while sperging about how bad anything she makes is, which is an acceptable opinion to have but… it's not fucking milk.
I only ever saw them post cowish behaviour from Vivziepop after she was left seething and malding over the Lackadaisy woman not accepting her funds or something among those lines.
But she's nothing compared to animation cows like Noelle Stevenson or John Kricfalusi himself. I mean, I welcome Vivziepop milk but let's not pretend she's actually been milky so far. She's just constantly featured in those threads cuz she makes all the gendies mald.
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>>1830159There was a section recap in the 7th thread for Vivzie stuff and less than half of it was talking about the lackadaisy milk. One of those posts is literally just a post about Vivzie's physical appearance.
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>>1830238Lmao that sounds so embarrassing on the part of the Lackadaisy crew.
The absolute seething Viviziepop's existence causes is delicious. I hope more animation nerds and gendies cry over her cringy cartoons because they've been far more entertaining than she's ever been.
No. 1830273
>>1830257I'll let you know the amount of Vivziepop cartoons I watched don't go beyond 10 minutes and this is because everyone keeps posting them in the western animation thread. I probably can't name you more than 5 of her characters and I got the gif by searching "hazbin hotel" on picmix.
I just think she's unjustly scrutinized for being a cringy sparkledog emo scene queen woman (supposedly the worst sin of all time) and that it's extremely funny to see the amount of malding she causes. Have you seen even half of the gendies crying over Hazbin Hotel?
The fact you think I'm doing this to defend my own taste (which is not 2007 sparkledog vomit designs) is ridiculous.
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>>1830273Also there were leaked DMs of vivziepop making fun of transtrenders and outright saying troons are misogynistic so that's basically why they seethe over her all the time, not because "she cultivated an audience like this" kek. It's just a sparkledog JKR situation.
No. 1830286
>>1830279Until proven otherwise she's still cringe, it's just the seething she accidentally causes that's based. Quit crying over people seeing the blatant misogyny in her haters, it doesn't mean we like her emo glitter fest.
>>1830276Lmao really? She can be just a little based (her misogynistic writing is still shit though).
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>>1830287Interesting. This is actually kinda milky and it reflects what I know of her writing. But I doubt it holds a candle to things like picrel.
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>>1830287True, she seems really fond of that TIM from that one episode back in season one.
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>>1830313The funny thing is that there were so many of these drawn with the intention to make the characters better and not
problematic. Not sure if people still draw them and it seems the ugliest of them were scraped off the internet. I've yet to find a redesign of Vivziepop's sparkle emo vomit hell that doesn't look like shit or sucks all of the mid 2000s soul out of it.
What bugs me about these sort of redesigning trends is that they come across as genuine fanart. Why put so much effort into redesigning something they find cringe and ugly? Did they secretly like it? Is it smug self-satisfaction of looking like a better artist compared to Vivziepop? Lol
I actually found out about Hazbin Hotel through this trend and it's hilarious in retrospect. Gendies seethed so much about this cartoon that it ended up being more popular.
No. 1830352
>>1830332Yeah, that makes sense. It's kinda commendable to bring so much blatant pandering to fangirls to the world of adult american animation, but it annoys me how it's done with the same attitude as an early 2000s gundam wing yaoi fanfic where Relena is a bitch and she gets killed. More or less that's what I gathered from Vivziepop's stories and it's annoying to see a female creator come to that.
She does have cow potential just from this imo but she's been smart enough to not bring it out online.
No. 1830389
>>1830336>What bugs me about these sort of redesigning trends is that they come across as genuine fanart. Why put so much effort into redesigning something they find cringe and ugly? Did they secretly like it? Is it smug self-satisfaction of looking like a better artist compared to Vivziepop? LolBack in the day some gossip boards, especially PULL, used to draw tons of "hate art" in the cow threads that came across as sincere fanart. I think it's a mix of both, they genuinely are interested in it but don't want to admit it to themselves but also want to assure themselves that they're justified in mocking an incompetent person below their level. Like the anons in the western animation thread blog in length about literally every single piece of work vivziepop releases even when it's nothing remarkable or milky, it's clear they have a certain degree of emotional investment and genuine interest in her work even when they claim to hate everything about it.
With vivziepop in particular I feel like a lot of people seething about her are similar to the people who post in the numerous jvlogger thread crying and bitching about some (in their mind) undeserving bitch getting to live in Nippon. That's an emo hot topic sparkledog 2007 fujoshi bitch who should be seen as
cringe, not getting her own show produced! Ackshually, this is how I would FIX the designs because
MY ideas and topical designs should be celebrated instead! You get the point. And to hide their jealousy, it's thinly veiled as concern trolling about "cultural appropriation", "transphobia", "misogyny", "racism", whichever fits you best. A lot of anons forget that she worked her ass off for a decade to get her self-indulgent show done completely independent because she didn't want to bargain about her style, so it's not like she was a nepo baby having a whole animation studio dropped in her lap like a lot of other show creators. I think that part bites really hard, she wanted to write about her shitty sparkledog demons and succeeded. I don't like her writing, characters or aesthetics but I really, really admire her work ethic and dedication to her style.
No. 1830552
>>1830513She gives me the impression of being a faghag more than someone who really knows tims, which is cringe as fuck but sadly the default with this kind of libfem, for them timmies are just another kind of faggy gay man.
I do agree with her barely readable discord spiel though. Why are you a self-proclaimed feminist if you're not proud of being a woman? Tbh imo this is just another proof that libfems have the brains to understand gender ideology is stupid and they will say these normal but
problematic takes in private only to nod at the gender crowd in public.
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I fucking hate modern translators with every fiber of my being! I get dealing with those anime pfp weebs on Twitter is infuriating. but all anyone asking is for them is to stop putting in unfunny "slang" they pick up on Twitter and to stop forcing their own political agenda into shows. It's a recipe for disaster, destined to age poorly and be utterly unfunny to everyone except for them and their retarded friends. We've never see Spanish-speaking translators suffer from this issue?
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>>1830554>We've never see Spanish-speaking translators suffer from this issue?spanish translators are known for doing the same thing, it's equally obnoxious and the reason why i pirate manga instead of buying it
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>>1830558Right, that happened with a bunch of Tokyopop stuff, especially Gravitation.
Something similar is with the French tl of Sleeping Dead they changed Monkichi’s name to Monchhichi, which ruins the joke that she has a male (kichi) name
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>>1830238Honestly I couldn't get through the Lackadaisy pilot, it's well animated yes but there's not much else going on if you're not a furry, at least Viv's stuff is entertaining in the sense of 'well animated sparkle dogs using actually famous voice actors/singers is the ultimate deviantart wet dream' and the voice acting in Viv stuff is actually well done (cannot say the same for Lackadaisy).
>>1830324I see this a toooon with danganronpa.
>>1830389It's definitely an interesting form of 'love hate' isn't it? I don't know much about PULL cows but their header (aside from venus wearing a collar) just looked like some random cute girls even though I presume they were all people they disliked.
No. 1830675
>>1830276A stopped clock is right twice a day.
>>1830552>Tbh imo this is just another proof that libfems have the brains to understand gender ideology is stupid and they will say these normal but problematic takes in private only to nod at the gender crowd in public.That's how most of them are. They're not full-on GC but they have entry-level "blasphemy" opinions like "most people just pretend to be trans"/neopronouns are retarded/etc., they just don't say it out loud.
No. 1830712
>>1804150>>1804199>>1804207Appeal? where is it? He looks like a dusty-ass gay grandma with more cats than chin hairs. There's far more sexier vampires in video games but the internet decided he's hot somehow?
Hoping to god BG3 dies for my sake…
No. 1830715
>>1830389Look I agree that it's good when female creators are finally able to make their self-indulgent shit, but Vivzie's writing is abysmal and her work is plagued by misogyny. She can make her yaoi demon series, she doesn't have to shit on women every chance she gets while rimming gay men's asses (seriously, have you seen Helluva Boss? You can't go five minutes without a woman-hating joke made by a gay male character). Unfortunately she's far from based.
You're also delusional if you think everything she puts out is the result of her hard work, she definitely has connections that favour her because there's no way she can get big Hollywood actors and Broadway singers on her badly written yaoi fanfiction. Also if you knew her you'd know that she's been fixated on her cringy ideas for years and so far only one has partially worked out because she has serious issues with actually working on and finishing things.
No. 1830724
>>1830558>>1830623Remember when Tokyopop translated Initial D, both manga and anime? It was a huge scandal at the time. The entire premise of the series was people racing in the mountainous areas of Japan using Japanese cars and they gave literally every character a retarded Americanized name (Takumi became "Tak", Itsuki became "Iggy", Takeshi became "Zack"…), they censored all adult themes, removed
all of the iconic super eurobeat music the soundtrack had, mistranslated a ton of car-specific terminology and so forth. They were obviously trying to ape the 2fast2furious movies that were popular at the time trying to ride its success to sell it to TV networks. They fucked up so many translations and finally did what Netflix did with their originals, started investing into licensing garbage "amerimanga". The company began bleeding money, tanked and took all the classic 90's series licenses with them. Stu Levy can go to hell for all I care.
No. 1830753
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>>1830738Modern English dubbing is obviously in a worse stage, but this is how a lot of foreign dubs are. In my country (and also from what I've heard from Arabic and Russian mutuals), dubs of shonen series are made more 'macho,' and rock and rap music is sometimes edited in, it's both funny and infuriating.
No. 1831488
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>If your against my obvious porn addiction and creation of smuth then your a puritan/fascist
I hate these people so much, like I'm unironically becoming pro-censorship these past few months.
No. 1831499
>>1831494the narrative that "pro-shippers" are the one's who are egging on creators for having
problematic elements in their media is literally made-up cope.
No. 1831777
>>1831725Nagatoro?
Iirc didn't the translator sperg about specifically doing it because they could?
No. 1831844
>>1831278true especially about the retarded censorship ( even doraemon like kek RELAX ) but i'll still watch the animes i originally watched dubbed in arabic because they have better songs. like check this out and tell me it's not way better than the original japanese version. even if you think so i won't be able to listen over the heart swelling beauty of that singing. genuinely makes me cry sometimes. old spacetoon singers FTW
oh wait i just scrolled and you already mentioned that here
>>1831301kek my bad. but so damn true they were awesome. sad to see what's happened to the channel post like… 2015 or so. the quality dwindled the moment they changed the planets and let go of so many their original gimmicks… i'm glad they still show old animes from the 70s-90s with the original dubbing and all, flona is the WORST but i'm always tuned in kek
one thing about french dubs is they always have that weird tense/forced cartoon thing going on, english dubs have that too. it's so weird. i know it's fiction and they have to play it up a little but kekkkkk come on it's so ridiculous.
No. 1831898
>>1830753Tbh, I think the only good dubs were the NON-Mexican Spanish dubs, except for Kids next door, they did a great job with that dub. The voices tend to make lots of sense and the songs tend to be really, really good.
>>1831863It's kind of funny how dubs tend to make the songs sound almost religious, like, if you played some of the openings or endings of dragon ball in Spanish, but said that they're Christian songs, I'm sure lots of people would believe you even if they don't really make direct references to God and Jesus Christ.
No. 1832086
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Uh if she knew what Chinese govern- nevermind.
No. 1832118
>>1832086>white peoplelel, those elements have been present in fiction across the entire world since forever.
Also, what's wrong with all that in a fictional tale? Would she prefer a piece of shit boring story with no conflict or intrigue at all? These virtue signalers are getting more retarded by the month, I bet she's still reading "
problematic" fantasy stories anyways because she doesn't actually care and those are just empty complaints for the sake of virtue signaling.
No. 1832142
>>1832086So…slice of life?
People don't consume fantasy because they want to be reminded of everyday problems and minutiae, though. Fucking idiot making it about white people.
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>>1832118>>1832142>>1832170Didn't you knew is it in every white person's DNA to be THAT cruel?
No. 1832560
>>1832086Yes, definitely only white people write about taxes, very astute observation. There are absolutely no non white people at all writing any of those things.
>you could write anything so why isn't your world a perfect coffee shop au where everybody sings kumbaya and holds hands YOU'RE HURTING MY FEELINGS>>1832118>Would she prefer a piece of shit boring story with no conflict or intrigue at all?Unironically yes. Everything an author writes it condones obviously. There's a zillion slice of life fantasy anything pieces of media for her to watch so what's the bitching? You like slice of life, we get it. I sort of get what she means when it comes to rape though because most writers who even include it do in a manner so heavy handed and badly written (or for shock value) that it becomes turbo cringe. So much so that encouraging people not to write it at all is actually a good thing because who realistically if at all wants to bank on it being written well at all?
No. 1833197
>>1833110That's not even true because when the Black Panther movie got released it was very successful, not just because of virtue signaling shit but because people genuinely liked the characters, setting, costumes, actions scenes, etc. It's just that the people complaining don't know how to write interesting, fun stories in general and think they'll successfully market their favorite shows, novels, movies, video games, etc. just by saying that there are black or asian or gay characters in them.
No. 1833346
>>1833197Exactly. I hate MCU and I thought Black Panther was really good for a superhero movie. People do like and want stories with black characters, but modern writers have no idea how to make media with that isn't playing it safe and having "they're
POC/queer/disabled" as the selling point.
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>>1832560>>1832723Coffee au where the white character has to think on the actions of his ancestors.
No. 1834214
>>1832086i don't agree with this twitter user, but slightly related: i don't trust moid writers exactly because they can't imagine a world without misogyny. the most futuristic, advanced science fiction setting and we still have rape, prostitution, porn, etc. because moids think misogyny is natural. same for fantasy settings with dragons, magic, elves, but rape needs to be there because it's "realistic". fuck off. scrotes are not supposed to write, they need to work in the mines.
again, i don't agree with this twitter user and her whining about muh evil white people.
No. 1834224
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>>1833346>modern writers have no idea how to make media with that isn't playing it safe and having "they're POC/queer/disabled" as the selling point.i hate it so much. i don't think anyone will be mad if they read a story and realize that the characters in it are black but so many modern books with all black characters have to be so annoying about it, how a BLACK author wrote this and it has BLACK characters and it's so POWERFUL and OWN VOICES. then people guilt trip each other into reading a mediocre novel because uhmmm sweaty, why aren't you reading this BLACK OWN VOICES SO POWERFUL novel???
i'm very active in reading circles and people were tearing each other apart because of pcirel. it's a weird mash up of dune and time traveling and regency romance and of course the male character is in love with a prince who doesn't love him back, and so on. it wasn't my cup of tea either so i didn't sign up to do a readalong with a group of other readers but of course some people had to throw a fit because "uhmmm curious how no one wants to read this BLACK book about BLACK characters from a BLACK writer! that's racist!" yet if someone mentions that maybe it's a bit concerning that young women claim to be unable to read books without sex scenes anymore because they need written erotica so bad they throw the biggest fit and claim everyone should read what they like. well i don't want to read a boring mash up of genres whose entire selling point is that it's black and woke. boohoo.
sorry for ranting kek but it has been bothering me for so long.
No. 1834291
>>1833197People seem to forget that Black Panther was born from Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, and they're white like the paper they used to write/ink from.
>but modern writers have no idea how to make media with that isn't playing it safe and having "they're POC/queer/disabled" as the selling point.Do not remember me that black writer that wrote that "Hades is a Black casino owner and Persephone is a trans Black aerial dancer" book, way to destroy a religion and lore (Demeter was SAD that Persephone was KIDNAPPED) into "woman teaching to moids to fall in love".
No. 1834332
>>1834214I have never understood why rape would be as widespread in a high fantasy world as it is in ours. Like if a moid mistakenly targets a disguised dragon or magic user
once, he's not going to live to see tomorrow. We'd have most sexual opportunism genes wiped out within a few generations like a reverse Genghis Khan effect.
No. 1834365
>>1834224Do you have any links or screenshots about the drama? It sounds incredibly retarded. From the description you gave it doesn't sound like the book would appeal to a lot of YA readers even with the uwu yaoi romance, it's not a big deal if they don't want to read something in a genre they're not into.
And tbh knowing that there's presumably explicit sex scenes in so many books because readers literally won't pick up anything without porn is concerning. I know it's YA, but that cover alone makes it look like it'd be appropriate for a ten year old who likes Star Trek, I can absolutely see some clueless aunt buying this as a last second Christmas present for someone who's way too young to read it.
>>1834332Men genuinely can't comprehend a world where women aren't at their beck and call. The only reason they'd want to live in a high fantasy world is so they can fuck more species of children.
No. 1834557
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There's an increasing level of brain-rot (of overly online pro-shippers) that I'm seeing. They have consumed nothing but queer fiction and HCs, to the point where they can't even view reality in a way. Take this example of the reaction of a video 16-year-old named Jensen Ackles. Even though it's of a fit and attractive teenage boy, they are so coom-brained from consuming both trash-media and trash fan-fiction that they cannot even imagine a young fit man(cause those often don't up fan-fiction) and view him either as a woman or some trans-category, so it's no wonder they troon out.
No. 1834599
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>>1834566Just like the overwhelmingly majority of m/m ships are never actually between two men, the vast majority of f/f ships are never actually between two women, most of the time it's not even characters being shipped together, rather it's two "aesthetics" paired up together.
No. 1834634
>>1834566If they like it solely in romantic/SFW contexts and enjoy other kinds of relationships (M/F, M/M) I can buy that they're 100% straight, but not so much if they're posting about them fucking. Also what
>>1834576 said, I rarely see men get super invested in shipping and when they are it's for coom reasons (gay/bi moids into M/M and het moids into M/F and F/F).
>>1834599 has a point too.