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No. 1638502

Previous: >>>/ot/1624241


Discuss art and related topics such as:

-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art

SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!

Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon

>useful youtube channels

https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454
https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2
>where to find art
https://www.wikiart.org/es
https://artvee.com/
>other useful sites
https://film-grab.com/
https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing
https://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheel

MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.also check e-hentai

No. 1638582

>>1638502
Very nice thread pic

No. 1638590

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Can anyone give me tips on how to concentrate/make and stick to a schedule? I struggle a lot not knowing what to focus on next when drawing. Right now i am trying to read Force, but i get distracted every few pages.

No. 1638593

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Saw someone in the prev thread complain about lack of milk, so… Kooleen, YouTube, instagram and TikTok tutorial extraordinaire. Incapable of drawing a face with more than one two-dimensional plane and blank wasian anime features. Draws these lifeless models in perpetuity whilst claiming to never draw ‘ugly’ people. Resembles every one of them herself. Not narcissistic in the slightest. Makes shit ass tutorial declaring that the mouth and chin on a side profile can never overstep the nose, calling this facial type ‘gorilla looking’. Odd. Warps a black woman’s natural face shape into the mold of her flat, glassy eyed K-pop models in the name of “art correction.” Peculiar.

All in all, as a black person I find this situation far more hilarious than offensive. Her tutorials have always been unfunny, unhelpful and actively detrimental to beginner artists. Her voice is grating and I pray she can scrape together enough coins from the ad revenue of her inevitable half assed apology video to finally take a sip of water and cure that permanently scratchy, fake ‘milf’ccent. Maybe a few will be left over to fund corrective art lessons for her poor, pre-school following.

https://twitter.com/wet_baklava/status/1680962764766945281?s=20

(This random mfs tweet happens to have all the videos in one place, so here’s the link)

No. 1638594

>>1638593
Lmao I have no idea about the context but holy shit this is awful

No. 1638595

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>>1638594
This is her actual art btw. Lack of fundamentals and shitty, scratchy linework covered up with a thin layer of a 1,2,3-step rendering routine. And I shit you not when I say they ALL look like this.

No. 1638597

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No. 1638600

>>1638597
people are really comfortable complaining about artists drawing their shitty fav characters the wrong way, like yes, the likeness is bad, but wouldn't a normal person just be happy that someone drew the ugly man they like in the first place..

No. 1638602

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>>1638593
i really hate her videos, but i think this is really uncalled for and taken out of context just to generate drama and have a ''valid'' reason to hate her because she comes off as really annoying and cocky on her videos. She draws kpoop ''yassified'' art, i dont know what people expected when they sent her art to get correction, did they really expect proko-level advice on anatomy from a shitty entertainment channel that cant draw beyond her comfort zone?. The art of the black woman in side profile is really, really shitty, so its understandable she thought it was due to a lack of drawing skill and not because that's how the reference looks. Overall just more bullshit drama targetted at random sucessful female artists when moid artists do way worse things and get 0 repercussion, like that really popular nsfw artist that came out as a pedo last thread and all of his followers accepted him.
>>1638597
this is so petty, good for her for not bending the knee and drawing that ugly as shit moid. I am tired of ugly, old male characters getting the husbando treatment when they are so incredibly hideous.

No. 1638609

>>1638597
God faggots on Twitter will come for artists over the most mundane shit. Like Who cares if they drew him cuter? I swear they’re even worse than salty /ic/ crabs

No. 1638633

>>1638602
Not an artist but her drawings look like to me like those shitty Korean BLs . It also looks like she drew a face once for a boy and girl and used that reference for all of her faces in perpetuity. Art that looks like this is so played out now. I get why art teachers back in the day shamed students for using anime style. It has bastardized the art community in heinous ways. Everyone draws the same way imo

No. 1638637

>>1638633
yeah, her art is generic ugly shit, but people are attacking her out of spite

No. 1638652

>>1638637
>Out of spite
Didn't she literally draw what could very well be a black person's profile/features and called it "gorilla looking"?

No. 1638657

>>1638652
it was an anime tutorial, it wasnt supposed to represent a race but rather common mistakes begginers make when drawing anime profiles. I dont understand why twitterfags made the correlation from a shitty joke, it's like they are always looking for someone to slip and make a mistake to dogpille them, really scary. If i ever make a twitter acc to dump my art i am going to larp as a man.

No. 1638668

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>>1638652
Pic related is literally how most zoomers think. They want to hate on someone but they don't want to actually seem hateful or mean, so they have to wait for a reason to justify it when it would've already been understandable to hate her for her bland art and annoying personality. Her word choice in that situation was bad and she shouldn't be giving out advice at all, but some people are really obsessing over it and demanding a public apology now, as if that's going to change anything.

No. 1638679

All the hate kooleen is getting seems fishy and spiteful

No. 1638681

>>1638668
why is the image of the closeted black guy who made a documentary about white men raping and feminizing black men attached to this image?

No. 1638687

>>1638602
You're so real for this. I see female artists getting shat on because people don't like their style, or because they drew something slightly problematic when male artists can draw the most horrid shit on the planet, have the most generic ass artstyle and quite literally admit to being a pedo and it becomes a one in a million chance if people budge at all. It sucks but i blame it on the female zoomers that are sometimes obssessed with finding the ever so slightly cancellable shit someone in their online circle has done

No. 1638714

And the way all the desperate artists jump on the hate bandwagon for views. There's some annoying punchable looking mouth breathing bitch with the world's most annoying accent who was an ok/funny how-to artist and now just dogs on kooleen all the time.

No. 1638737

>>1638679
I feel like it's been building up for a while now. Personally, these young, probably rich kids who are too inexperience to teach art but do so anyway come dime a dozen.

No. 1638779

>>1638681
No idea but I also didn't know that feminization was an actual issue in real life that people outside of twitter talked about. Now I can't even get drawings of my husbandos in dresses unless they are white, and all just because moids rape anyone

No. 1638781

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>>1638593
Not too familiar with her but the smoking image reminds me a bit of late 90’s early 00’s anime and manga like Yoshitoshi Abe and another artist whose name escapes me. It’s not bad but she needs to look to past work since she’s not doing moe proportions.

No. 1638801

>>1638781
Not her work anon!

No. 1638802

>>1638801
The tweet was using other artwork to compare to hers? I thought it was kooleen’s.

No. 1638807

>>1638802
nta but those seem ai generated too, something about the hair on the second one and the text on the bottom right one, i could be wrong though. her art can be seen here >>1638602 the side profile meme is referencing her tutorials

No. 1638808

>>1638781
That's just edits of chainsaw man stills, not her art. I know what you mean tho' I do feel like I've seen a manga artist with a similar style before though I can't recall what it was.

No. 1638823

>>1638602
If you see her art it's clear what type of artist she is and why she is popular. If people send her art for corrections it's because they want their art to look more like hers, not to get a course on realistic anatomy featuring different ethnicities. Twitter "critics" trying to infantilize her audience and trying to transform her into a whole different artist are just stupid and malicious and tbh, if you want to go down that route, I find Americans or other Western brats going on a social justice war against people from former colonies (sometimes even their own country's former colony) way more racist than whatever might be going on in her mind about black people.

No. 1638847

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>>1638823
i cant wait until these people find proko's videos on anatomy, they are gonna shit their pants when he says men have bigger heads than women and narrower hips

No. 1638851

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It’s wild that apparently only east asian and white people are allowed to be drawn anime-ified now because it implies east asian/white people actually look like that irl kek

No. 1638865

>>1638847
Haha yes, soviet school drawing is definitely going to be too realistic for them, soon only globohomo styles shall remain.

No. 1638872

>>1638602
Worse part is I know so many other artists like her. They refuse to study and then ask for everyone else to fix their art. Honestly, the worse part is you can never tell if they are tracing or if their work is that generic.

No. 1638878

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>>1638851
This makes me feel nostalgic for 90ies character design <3

No. 1638907

is it confirmed that lil.milkyskin is also numy/nixeu? since nixeu just called out milky for tracing and plagiarism, but ironically that's what nixeu did as numy. it would be bizarre to call yourself out for the sake of larping

No. 1638924

>>1638597
The one on the right looks crusty, why would anyone wanna do a 1:1 copy anyway unless it's a study

No. 1638927

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>>1638847
There artists who exaggerate this to a retarded degree too though, like lore olympus which was mentioned in the last thread, also picrel from some art posting thread

No. 1638928

>>1638687
I’m tired of replies like this:
>”Everyone only hates [insert artist] because she’s a woman, there are a gazillion pedo coomer male artists are are way worse and never get dragged through the mud”
>Proceeds to never divulge any names
IF THERE ARE SO MANY SHITTY MALE ARTISTS THEN GO AHEAD AND POST THEM ANON WE’RE BORED AND WE WANT MILK

No. 1638940

>>1638927
Who seriously does that tho I've never seen it. The pic you linked looks like a strawman from somebody who wants to callout evil terfs for reminding them they can visually tell somebody'e sex.

No. 1638944

>>1638940
>Who seriously does that tho I've never seen it
literally every pixar mom/dad look like that

No. 1638946

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>>1638944
also this horrendous creature from hell

No. 1638951

>>1638946
Are you telling me this is real? I have seen this pic before and assumed it was some coomer edit.

No. 1638952

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No. 1638956

>>1638951
It was an edit using AI or something

No. 1638957

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>>1638940
Have you ever watched a TV show?

No. 1638961

>>1638951
its real and its hideous

No. 1638966

>>1638956
Genuinely, how old are you?

No. 1638996

>>1638807
>>1638808
Thanks l haven’t kept up with anime in a few years

>>1638952
>>1638957
That shape language works
>>1638946
This does not

No. 1639000

>>1638878
Same 80’s - 90’s were the best visually because they looked similar to people with proportions and expressions and not moeblobs. I couldn’t tell you how old characters are now in anime because they’re all soft looking.
>>1638847
I had a teacher stumble over this when he was telling me there are no differences between drawing male/female and even said maleness or femaleness (never man or woman) and proceeded to list the differences lmao you could see cognitive dissonance in real time.

No. 1639027

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Funny how we’re still romanticizing irreversible mutilation in the year 2023.

No. 1639034

>>1639027
Have those people forgotten how tattoos are a thing and that they don't require ridiculous surgery

No. 1639036

>>1639027

I wanna see what doctor is willing to do that type of shit lol

No. 1639038

>>1638946
lol I remember seeing this short in cinema and my friends silently going wtf when she appeared on screen. You can smell the coom all over it

No. 1639046

>>1638940
Ayrt I gave an example in my post. Lore Olympus. Persephone is a smol lil curvy wurvy bean uwu and hades is an upside down dorito.

No. 1639052

>>1638996
I can see a "shape language" argument for Dexter's mom and lots of other cartoon stuff but the Elastigirl hips are coomer-tier, if anything it's like a parody of cartoon mom hips but they intentionally drew attention to it and made it sexy.

No. 1639057

>>1639036
A tattoo artist would for much cheaper and for much less physical damage but that wouldn't be quirky and nobly suffering enough

No. 1639063

>>1639027
Why can't they just be goths and emos? like get a tattoo or something if you want something "cool" on your body?

No. 1639070

>>1638944
Yeah ok I got confused by the pic I missed that we went from talking about art tutorials to talking about what shitty artists do. I haven't seen the OTT exaggeration it in anatomy courses.

No. 1639101

>>1638946
The way her torso is poking out of her hips like a worm pokes out of an apple, as if her legs are an inflatable costume she's wearing. Without the big hair, this design is unbalanced. Like if she was ever re-used in something they can't ever give her a different hair style. Obviously they weren't thinking about character design when they made this, though, but I like to think about this stuff sometimes for my own art

No. 1639125

>>1638851
Is that real tho. Like I only ever see people caring about race-shit when it's from an artist they personally dislike for whatever reason, it's just bullying disguised as a talking point like usual

No. 1639134

>>1638597
Funny how girl zoomers who think your life ends at 25 are so concerned about drawings not looking their age. Who the fuck cares.

No. 1639138

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>>1639000
So many of key art pieces from that time are seared into my brain haha. And the more expensive animation from that time is just crazy seen from today, everything just feels so much more real and founded and also more creative. Like I know I just sound old and I enjoy new animation but it does feel like a golden age ~

No. 1639226

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>>1639027
>Places a shitty cross on chest
>If you're gonna use this credit me!!1
Kek makes me wonder how much thought went into this since she cares so much about getting credited

No. 1639228

>>1638946
Nobody is talking about how the girl in the background of the second picture is shaped like a bong

No. 1639301

>>1639138
Lodoss was my jam and Escaflowne despite the funny noses. Even Rayearth and early Sailor Moon were great compared to nu-Sailor Moon
>>1639063
Those subcultures exist in aesthetic only. Try talking to someone who dresses like that and see what kind of music they like, they can’t name any bands. It was already dying when I got into the goth culture but we did research back then dammit lmao

No. 1639303

>>1639052
Maybe. At the time she had a typical mom body, like if it was in the 90’s she’d be wearing mom jeans lol. She reads similarly as Dexter’s mom to me, but the crazy redhead abomination definitely reads coomer.

No. 1639361

>>1639301
Is goth and emo supposed to be linked to what music you like? I know the fashion came out of bandom, but I think it became its own thing after awhile. I remember everyone sort of nerdy in highschool went through a goth phase.

No. 1639374

>>1639361
Yes it's connected to the music most of these kids aren't listening to goth music or emo it's nugoth or trapgoth (the breakcore shit). Back then people stuck to their core roots and dressed accordingly and goth or alternative wear was mostly diy or cheap. Now you just need to buy something off aliexpress and you're goth without knowing the history (there are some who do but I hate how gendies have flooded it it I am a gnc goth and its hard as fuck being a normal woman) it has died nowadays sadly with all the tifs in it

No. 1639399

>>1639374
I weep for all the goth rock boys. Long hair on men and makeup was hot. Now it’s an indicator to stay away. I was more into classic, romantic and cyber goth areas but yes there was a lot of diy, forum meet-ups and cd swapping going on back then.

No. 1639411

>>1638957
>>1638927
In all honesty, people who often post this have some of the shittiest art imaginable.

One of the things with stylized art is playing with shapes. Make big things big and the small things small and crank it up to 100 or a thousand. Or somewhere in between if you want. Not to mention, most artists are teaching how to draw in their art style. Some people have an art style where it is more based in realism while others have one based in exaggerated shape design.

>>1638946
>>1638952
It isn't everyone's cup of tea but I enjoy looking at and studying art like this because even though you can argue its coomer and unrealistic, what is the point of realism in stylized art? Not to mention, I'm more interested in the choices and how to use shapes as opposed to just making everything anatomically correct.

>>1638961
Just from a visual perspective, it can look odd but it fits within the style of how they chose to design the characters. The cubical people are square shape in every aspect, the body builder dude is body built, etc. It's pretty clear they went with the "exaggerate everything"

>>1639052
Elastigirl just has dexter's mom's hips but in 3D. Given the style of the incredibles it isn't like she doesn't fit in with how other characters are designed.

No. 1639418

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>>1639046
Man this looks like she's the height of his shoulder width

>>1639301
>>1639374
>>1639399
Ugh yes it genuinely annoys me now that everything alt is being aggressively watered down through social media so a lot of people think the superficial social media version is the real one now. Sperg incoming. If you care about the music you're a bully meanie gatekeeper who isn't letting people just enjoy things uwu. It's telling that they go straight to acting like a victim when you call them out for being fake, like they do know the subculture exists but wanna gentrify it because they wanna appear cool and dark and edgy, which ironically just makes goth become associated with being basic and mid. And yeah men in eyeliner and dramatic clothes are hot but now it's a tim red flag, or it's just a fag

No. 1639436

>>1639418
Hades is by lore 10 feet tall.

No. 1639517

I swear to you this is the silliest dilemma you will ever hear in your whole life but it’s destroying me from the inside. Overthinking is literally consuming me: talking about art, I would really like to draw the stories I have in mind as comics, not really for posting them online but more for myself. And yet, I’m still so indecisive if doing them digitally or on paper. Doing it digitally has so many pros, but I’m not good at all digitally, plus I find it more tiresome, so working more on it trying to improve really feels boring and takes all the fun out of it (I know that not everything has to be funny, but yet I have to force myself all the time and I don’t like it). And yet, even tho I prefer working on paper (not only with drawing, but in general) there’s something that is stopping me to just go and draw them traditionally; basically I’m so indecisive that I’m literally wasting time because I can’t choose.

Sage just in case

No. 1639519

>>1638593
i hate her stuff, her ""lessons"" are awful and straight up harmful, too bad people will just forget this in a few days.
also i don't get why nonnas here are saying that her comparing certain features to gorillas isn't blatant racism. do you think she is that naive? specially when she's been criticized for colorism before.

No. 1639545

>>1639517
If it's only for yourself you should do it on paper if that's what you prefer working with. You can always scan it in and redo the lines digitally if you need to. I know of webcomic artists that sketch page and speechbubble layouts digitally because it's easier to move around, then they print the pages in blue or red so the scanner won't pick up the lines and they line over it in ink. Then they scan the pages and add text in a program. Maybe do some practice pages first to figure out what works best for you and don't be afraid to change medium later on, I promise it won't matter that much.

No. 1639547

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>>1639519
>she's that naive
shes drawing animu, not hyper realistic proportions. Anime with exagerated mouth/chin does look gorilla-like. Everyone is criticizing her as if she's proko giving accurate anatomy classes and not a kpoopie weeaboo drawing ANIME. Ethan Becker is equally annoying and draws jim crow tier coomer cartoons of black women and no one has ever called him out on it. I know i sound like a white knight, i hate her art and her videos, but this is 100% a vendetta attack from jealous artists towards a female artist just from not being another uwu pastel pro lgbtwtfbbq+ poc pandering frog drawing female artist.

No. 1639550

>>1639519
I feel like that comment of hers and the colorism only shows how little she thinks about black people, if at all. Her behaviour doesn't seem purposefully racist, just very ignorant. If she was at all aware of how it would come across she wouldn't have said it and risked her career like that. But I might be wrong, maybe she's not saying anything because she doesn't want to acknowledge it and have to start learning how to draw different features

No. 1639555

>>1638593
Isn't she filipino? You have to understand how many filipino women have gorilla-sized complexes because of South Korea's toxic influence. These are not normal people. This is someone who draws sameface webtoon kpop goyslop art, probably thinks her ancestors are ugly and has a non-zero chance of bleaching her skin. You can't expect anything better. Her art won't progress because of her own complexes and the cultural factors involved. It's sad, but I don't know if much can be done, besides uplifting artists who actually know how to draw multiple races (including in anime style).

No. 1639556

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>>1639547
Ethan Becker's art is the epitome of a man going "it's my style" over and over until people believed he had some sort of talent.

No. 1639564

>>1639547
The person who called her out (wet_baklava) seems to be a more technically skilled artist than her, though. I do think it's hopeless to call out Koolleen, but the criticism is justified from an art standpoint IMO.

No. 1639565

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>>1639556
so many artists with decent skill get destroyed by muh style autismo mindset. I cant believe he works for dreamworks, his art is so tumblr popular artist tier mediocre. No wonder japan is mogging the west, you actually need to know how to draw to get into a japanese studio.

No. 1639570

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>>1639564
> seems to be a more technically skilled artist than her, though.
lmao, they are both the same type of artist who are never going to get out of their comfort zone because of internet attention. Koolen has built a fanbase off drawing kpop inspired pretty girls/boys and this girl, while having the skill, prefeers the asspats of her art being ''correct'' over being appealing. That's why she has 1k followers, her art is really unappealing and she seems more interested in causing drama than actually getting better at art. Both are eternally ngmis(pardon my ic speak), but this girl seems really salty over koolen ayy lmao kpoopie zombie boys being more popular than her ugly art.

No. 1639574

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>>1639570
>picking her attempt at anime over her other stuff
At least she doesn't draw same-face kpoop shit, she actually practices fundamentals and can draw human faces. She is more skilled than Koolleen on the basis of knowing how to draw different features. Be realistic anon, kek.

No. 1639577

>>1639574
whats the point of being a skilled artist if you are going to draw ugly as fuck stuff? and i am not saying that beause she draws poc or whatever, but those creatures on the third image look awful and her follower and likes count reflect that. Koolen has the skill to draw stuff that ugly(its literally just rendering heavily based on a reference), but she defaults to same face kpoop shit because she likes it and its more appealing. Imagine if people called out scrote artists over drawing baby face girls with thicc bodies like they call out female artists when they dont draw hyper accurate poc features. Just let her draw her pretty boys jesus christ. I am tired of female artists, because its only female artists they call out for this, owing everyone representation, while moid artists draw nothing but baby faced animu grills and no one gives a shit.

No. 1639578

>>1638595
the face is so… flat compared to everything else.

No. 1639579

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>>1639574
Samefag, even at 15 her art was decidedly better than Kooleen's. Kooleen's tutorials are shit and she "fixes" random people's art without their consent/permission because she's up her own ass, so it's good to see someone break down why her "lessons" shouldn't be relied on. This person also actually recommends Proko and Marco Bucci to people instead, so she has my respect.

No. 1639581

>>1639577
This seems like a cope. Even if you find the other person's art "ugly", they clearly have more understanding of anatomy, color and human faces than her. Kooleen stagnates because she's obsessed with "pretty faces" and outright tells her viewers not to draw "ugly people". I'm not convinced she can draw what she claims is "ugly", she's probably symbol-drawing as a crutch. It's a childish mentality from someone who has internalized racism, and people should steer beginning artists in the right direction.
>Imagine if people called out scrote artists over drawing baby face girls with thicc bodies
Yeah, they should, because coom shit is hideous as well. I would like to see more of that, moid big booba thicc art is ugly.
>Just let her draw her pretty boys jesus christ.
No one cancelled her for her kpop stanning, the problem is the bad advice and the racism. Also, pointing out the advice is low quality isn't banning her from drawing what she wants, don't be so sensitive, kek.

No. 1639585

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>>1639570
Kooleen’s brain probably short circuits when she has to draw anything that isn’t based off a korean instathot. I haven’t even heard of this person until today and it’s surprising that she has such a big following

No. 1639586

>>1639418
She was not this short before or am I tripping?

No. 1639593

>>1639577
>Thinking kooleens kpop ultra derivative and badly executed "style" is beautiful while a fully rendered illustration with realistic proportions/features is ugly
I mean we've all our tastes, but the kpop shit is ugly as fuck and she doesn't even draw them well. >>1638602 the middle drawing on the first row is wonky because she's probably so obsessed with the "perfect" korean webtoon front face and draws that over and over. They all look so similar too, you can tell she really just symbol draws everything (pair of eyes with makeup, big red lips, neutral/slightly smirking expression, pointy chin, blush). Her rendering is very mediocre too, literally just a few sketchy lines and some simple coloring. She's in no place to teach anything, and calling a non-kpop profile (that looks a lot like a black woman's profile) gorilla-like is extremely retarded, racist and just ignorant.
I don't particularly like the other artist's art but technically she's leagues above kooleens and everyone who has working eyes can tell.

>>1639585
Like come on you can't tell me this is beautiful.

No. 1639595

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>>1639581
''internalized racism'' my ass, no artists owes you drawing your ethnic features or ''ugly people'' and if you feel like her only drawing anime makes her ''racist'' that's on you for having a twitter brainrot. People have been debating for decades whetever anime characters are european or asian, guess what? they are fucking any race you want them to be, they are extreme simplifications to make it easier to animate. Most black anime characters are literally just generic anime characters but brown-skinned. Again, she isnt no proko, people who watch her videos want to learn how to draw yassified anime shit, they dont want a 3 hour lecture, otherwise they would open an art book or again, watch Proko. Why cant these people just ignore her shitty videos and move on? let her teach her viewers who want to learn how to draw like her do it, and if you want to draw super accurate monstrosities with neon skin go watch proko/marco bucci. Its not that hard. Twitterfags are so annoying, i hope she comes back with a another tutorial on how to draw another kpoop bishie just to piss off twitterfags. That's how most western female artists end up drawing ugly shit like pic rel, while male artists dont give a fuck about pandering and draw their big titty girls in peace.

No. 1639596

>>1638595
the way the face is drawn as if it's seen straight on while the camera angle is supposed to be lower down is creeping me out

No. 1639597

>>1639595
You're so triggered. A Filipina woman who calls non-kpop features gorillas and worships S Koreans (who also see her as a monkey) does have internalized racism. Learn to draw, that's it.

No. 1639601

>>1639593
>koolen has a large fanbase
>the girl who called her out barely has 1k followers
its unappealing, you can have good skills but use it to draw shit, like that girl does. You might not like kooleen's samefaced art, but its miles more appealing, and that's why people WANT to learn how to draw like her. Its very annoying when people think artists owe them being able/wanting to draw different features. Again, no one asks this of male artists, its always female artists that have to draw whatever the fuck other people want. Again, i dont like her art or her videos, but i just ignore them and move on. I might not want to learn how to draw/paint like her but other people do and i am happy for her for thriving doing what she likes.
>>1639597
whole lot of projecting going on. She never even called non kpop features gorilla, she called common mistakes begginers make while drawing animu profiles gorilla-like as a joke, because it resembles a gorilla(the animal) not a person. Its funny that the people that call anime moeblobs ayylmao looking are always the same people that get angry when someone draws one of those moeblobs that happens to have brown skin without detailed racial features.

No. 1639602

>>1639601
I don't think you know what "projection" means. Her art isn't good from a technical standpoint, her advice isn't good (both because of low skill and multiple racially-tinged comments that accidentally nick at her own people too), and no one's in the wrong for pointing it out. You're allowed to like kpoppy sparkly uwu BL drawings, but better artists can and should point out skill issues and give better tips. That's what's happening here, you'll have to deal with it.

No. 1639610

>>1639602
i dont like her art, but people calling her out for ''giving bad advice/not dawing poc people'' is extremely petty and shitty. She doesnt owe you academic level tier advice, people watch her because they want to draw kpoop bullshit and she gives her fans tutorials on how to draw kpoop bullshit. It's that simple, and if you dont like tutorials on how to draw kpop girls/boys its as simple as not watching her channel, youtube is filled with academic level courses on art completly for free, watch those and let her and her kpoop fans draw whatever the fuck they want. People are so entitled to what female artists draw, go call out the millions of male artists drawing loli ryona.

No. 1639613

>>1639610
If a person wants to block out certain reactions to content they make, it's as simple as not posting said content publicly, and not infringing on random beginner artists who didn't ask with their low quality, symbol-minded "tips". That's the nature of the internet, no one's being attacked or cancelled. People can comment on things as freely as they can share them. If kpoppies need a hugbox so badly and can't tolerate any criticism (especially if/when things like race come into play), they should just make one instead of pushing themselves on others.

No. 1639618

>>1639613
did she correct people's art without permission? i dont watch her content so i just assumed people sent it to her like they sent art to that japanese artist. Also, ah yes, the ''yes we are cancelling and harassing her for bullshit we made up but maybe she shouldnt have put her art on the internet????'' She hasnt even said anything about the controversy and people are complaining about it for not getting the apology they think they deserve, kek. Don't pretend these assholes wont dogpille literally anyone they dont like just because they can. I really hope she doesnt apologize, she didnt do anything wrong at the end and she gives an inch they are going to take a mile and demand she draws things she doesnt like ''to make up for it''. Hope she keeps spamming her ugly pale alien creatures.

No. 1639622

>>1639618
Yeah, she did. She made videos "roasting" random people's art with a specific focus on races she doesn't even draw, and "fixing" it her way (which wasn't really fixed, just pushing her kpop standards, kek). That's where all this started. She's in the wrong, she is just not skilled, has obvious personal issues and an ego too high for what she's putting out. I understand you feel like it's another case of a female artist getting attacked for nothing, but that's not what's going on here.

No. 1639623

>>1639622
can you link the video?

No. 1639643

>>1639595
I agree. Westernized art is ugly. I prefer koreaboos over this tripe.

No. 1639675

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I’ve said this before, but since no one seemed to listen the first time around, I’ll say it again. I’m tired of people in this thread shielding female artists from criticism by saying ‘WAGHHH BUT THERE’S A BAZILLION MALE COOMER MOID ARTISTS WHO ARE A THOUSAND TIMES WORSE HOW DARE YOU CRITIQUE A FEMALE-‘ Either give us a list of these moid names to milk or shut the everloving fuck up. It’s a circular argument and is lazy, annoying and dries up threads of valid criticism for no reason.

No. 1639679

>>1639675
Exactly, kek. It's such a lazy deflection.

No. 1639686

>>1639643
>>1639595
Jfc is this thread full of weeaboos and koreaboos shitting on everything that isn't their autistic sameface bullshit with gigantic eyes? Get better tastes.

No. 1639687

>>1639675
the kooleen shit isnt valid criticism, it's just entitled artists that want to force her to draw what they like the way they want. They hate her because she's a woman that likes to draw pretty women and bishies instead of goblincore bullshit. minus8 came out as a pedo(again) and no one gave a shit, literally no one called him out and no youtuber made a videos about it either. ''completly change your artstyle to fit my criteria of whats good art'' isnt criticism, it's entitlement, and kooleen doesnt owe them anything. She doesnt owe them drawing poc, she doesnt owe them proko tier advice, she doesnt owe them drawing ''ugly people''. It's her channel and the criticism is complete bullshit from people who want to be as sucessful as her but never will because they draw ugly shit. The girl that called her out is completly obssesed too, it must be burning inside her that kooleen hasnt responded while she's still ''making fun'' of her to this day and barely getting 3 likes on average. It's pure narcissism.

No. 1639690

>>1639556
Her legs are so fucking gross to look at. Male artists get away with the ugliest stylizations. Then turn around and make fun of anime, which stays true to the human form aside from pedobait anime (also made by males)

No. 1639692

>>1639687
We can dislike both minus8 and the cringy racebaiting koreaboo, stop this shit.

No. 1639693

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>>1639686
you know people can dislike both koooleen's same-face kpop idols and this garbage, right? you talk as if the girl that called her out drew amazing classical pieces that mirror Norman Rockwell's approach to different face features and not the same shit with a different smell. Instead of soulless kpoop idols staring at the nothingness its soulles goblin looking people staring at the nothingness, wow what an amazing display of skill. Outside of the ugly faces the yassified elf creature has a broken arm with a floaty hand that's resting on the nothingness and missing a thumb. Both are awful artists and it just reflects the modern western artist landscape.

No. 1639695

Skimming through this thread and getting to the conclusion that maybe half of the people here have shit taste.

No. 1639696

>>1639693
NTA but that still reflects more artistic skill than the kpop garbage you're trying to defend. You almost have a mind similar to a coomer moid, upset that not every drawing is of someone you want to fuck or be. Insisting they're on the same level is laughable.

No. 1639698

>>1639687
THEN YOU POST THE MINUS8 SHITSHOW FOR US TO MILK, BUDDY

No. 1639699

>>1639687
>It's her channel and the criticism is complete bullshit
It's not. Why does it hurt you so much anyway. These threads are made for poking fun at shitty artists but suddenly anons aren't allowed to do that because you like the fact that she doesn't draw ''ugly people''? Come on, they're ugly ass hell too, but in different way.

No. 1639701

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>>1639696
You are putting words in my mouth because you cant believe someone can dislike both kooleen's and this girl's art. Wow, almost as if people outside of twitter didnt live in a hivemind!. Pic rel is how you draw different face features correctly, that girl just slaps ''ugly'' features to otherwise shiny, yassified characters for asspats, not because she actually wants to get out of her comfort zone and draw different features, but rather because she thinks she has to for the sake of representation or some other bullshit. She built her own comfort zone of goblin caricature creatures that still display the same mistakes kooleen's art have, like overly shiny skin, no emotion on display, big shiny lips, all the people she draws look like those ''unique features'' models big companies like to hire once in a while that have like one defect but are absolutely model tier otherwsie . She would rather die than draw an old person or normal person without shiny skin and big lips.
>>1639699
because the milk is autistic petty vendetta, not real criticism.

No. 1639703

>>1639701
You've spent multiple posts writing essays on the kpop shit being "appealing". You've literally been posting more about Koleen than anyone in the thread so far, kek. Saying wetbaklava's art is better doesn't mean it's perfect, just that it's better.

No. 1639704

>>1639696
Anon isn't even defending her. The styles are both ugly, this one is just closer to realism. And even then it's only in the facial rendering, the bodies and especially hands look like they were drawn without reference so that's already the extent of this artists skill. If she would shut up and draw more she could also get popular online, Kooleen isn't special at all, she just panders to the easiest and biggest crowd. But these people never put the time into making more pieces or making anything appealing, instead they seethe about others popularity. Anyone can see that Kooleen's art is bad and that her advice isn't very useful but normal people move on and focus on themselves.

No. 1639705

>>1639703
it is appealing and you cant deny it, you might not like it, but it's obviously appealing to a greater audience, otherwise she wouldnt have 2 million followers. I dont like a lot of popular things, but i understand why they appeal to people. Saying kooleen's art is unappealing when she built an entire fanbase out of people that want to draw like her its just false.

No. 1639706

>>1639705
2 million kboos with poor taste.

No. 1639717

Anyway nonas, back to drawing. I've had a sort of epiphany/breakthrough recently. I've started using perspective grids on everything I draw (even doodles) and it's made drawing 10x easier. Having a grid down literally gives you a sort of map to draw on, as opposed to the void of a blank canvas. You still have to understand anatomy and correct proportions to get a good drawing, but having a grid makes it so much easier to draw these correct proportions in space. I recommend yall try it out, it leveled me up instantly, I think it's what's been missing from my drawings all along.

No. 1639719

>>1639705
Ok koreaboo

No. 1639724

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>>1639703
Why are you so adamant about defending her, her art is just okay and behaviour has been insanely unhinged because she's probably chasing that high from the first tweets about this blowing up. Of course she has no followers. Despite some technical skill she barely draws, she makes no fanart or anything else people could connect to and most of her tweets are reposts.

No. 1639732

>>1639724
I don’t even like Kooleem, but this dude is a mess. Ethnic features don’t mean shit when your art is unappealing as fuck. That black character looks like more of an ethnic caricature than Coal Black.

No. 1639733

Kooleen's art is boring and all that but the 'drama' has absolutely gotten out of proportion. It's also become one of those things where one legitimate comment is being made and suddenly people start making up shit going "well I heard that" and running with it. This happens every single time with twitter drama.

No. 1639736

>>1639724
she should draw more instead of attention whoring, if she wants to teach people how to draw different features she could make her own channel instead of trying to force others to draw like that

No. 1639739

>>1639595
I have no dog in this fight, but that picture is actually really nice and imo way more attractive than anything like >>1639585 or >>1638595 . That guy that Koleen drew just looks like if you were to put too many snow filters on a generic Korean webcomic character to me.

No. 1639742

>>1639739
Samefag but I actually honestly don't even see any "ugly features" in that pic. Nothing there is exaggerated or anything.

No. 1639743

>>1639595
…Your picrel isn’t bad?? Not my thing but I’ll take it over the moeshit source material.

No. 1639745

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>>1639732
That's because it is a caricature, the nonny cropped this out conveniently, kek. Anyway, her art isn't amazing, but she clearly has a better grasp of human faces and anatomy than Koleen. Derivative k-pop shit is just that, it's not some horrible injustice or use of "force" when people reject it.

No. 1639748

>>1639743
>>1639739
damn you guys have shit taste, i dont care if people want to draw uggos but they should leave artists that want to draw cute guys in peace, i am tired of looking for fanart of cute male characters and being jumpscared by cute husbandos being turned into fatties with vitiligo and massice honkers.

No. 1639750

>>1639748
You just have coomer brainrot. Not all of us look at drawings and rate their technical quality over our desire to masturbate to them.

No. 1639751

>>1639742
>>1639743
Anon thinks only the korean webtoon/anime art with instathot faces are "beautiful" while all the rest is ugly because it's too realistic. Imagine being attracted to symbol drawings and thinking that having tons of followers on twitter means you're a good artist. Must be either a lost zoomer or a moid.

No. 1639752

>>1639739
Yeah, this thread just has 1-3 seething koreaboos dedicated to defending trash as long as they can get off to it. If they were born male, they'd be malding ITT about us not liking Ethan Becker, kek.

No. 1639753

>>1639601
You gotta be very cynical to believe comparing poc features to monkeys is just a light hearted joke. Can't you see the obvious problem with this? I don't blame you if you are just ignorant on the subject, but are you for fucking real?

No. 1639754

>>1639750
its a bishie nonna, its supposed to be coom bait, whats the point of turning it into something hideous? there are already enough male uggos irl we dont need them in fiction

No. 1639755

>>1639754
You have to be 18 to use this site.

No. 1639756

>>1639698
Nta but it seems like there isn't anything more than the stuff that was shared last thread. Moids put no emotion or personality into their art so it's easy to scroll past and ignore. I saw one callout post by a rando about it with 20k likes and it couldn't even generate a discussion because no one has strong feelings about it, unlike shit like genshin ships being problematic because the thousand year old god took the form of some guy that hasn't been described further but that could have very well been a minor so even if you don't draw him like a child you are actually a shotacon etc. Seeing that that guy had almost half a million followers on twitter was crazy to me though

>>1639733
I wouldn't even call it drama, it was one post critiquing her for making a racist remark and her cutting that part out of the video and moving on. All the current talk about it is from people that agree with eachother about how bad this all is and how Kooleen needs to apologize. She's not engaging in this, her tiktok children followers never cared and most normal people have long stopped caring because it really isn't that serious. By next week there shouldn't be anyone left who remembers, especially if something "worse" happens.

No. 1639757

>>1639748
You think kooleen's shit is cute? They all look retarded and uncanny. There are a lot of actually good artists drawing beautiful guys in anime style but kooleen's not one of them.

No. 1639758

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Nonnies I have to ask what brush is this? Or how do I achieve this effect? I really love the texture on cleoptras face

No. 1639759

>>1639717
Thank you for this anon!

No. 1639760

>>1639745
She was reposting it without stating that it's supposed to be a caricature though, so she clearly thinks it's some huge dunk

No. 1639761

>>1639753
I feel like a lot of the rage about Kooleen being criticized for this (and the bad art) is from posters who can't draw anything but the same sort of webtoon stuff, and they insist it's because "Anything else is ugly, especially POC an dark skinned people!! Sorry not sorry" when the truth is they're just unskilled, lazy and/or actual children. Or, you know, racists who sound and reason like children, kek.
If she didn't try to influence people's art (including those who didn't even seek her help) and make racist comments, she'd just be one of many generic sameface people on IG and no one would care.

No. 1639762

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>>1639693
not sure the style is even original it kinda looks like yassified nina bunjevac with the addition of elf ears

No. 1639763

>>1639758
it looks like they used a lot of different brushes, which parts are you interest in? if you use clip studio, the assets' most popular brushes always has a bunch of stuff that might be useful

No. 1639765

>>1639758
I can't help, but do you know who the artist is? This is really beautiful, kinda looks like wet chalk on pavement.

No. 1639767

>>1639765
Samefag, nevermind lol. I forgot google exists, it's by Yuuki Jia. Perhaps she's shared how she made it/her brushes.

No. 1639768

I wish there had been the same energy for samdoesart when he turned that kid from The Last of Us into an instathot because that's all he can see women as. I know a lot of people complained about it but I don't think anyone forced him into apologizing or learning to draw better

No. 1639772

>>1639748
>turned into fatties with vitiligo and massice honkers
The example you provided didn’t even have those? At least post something relevant. There’s tons of weird gendie shit out there.

No. 1639774

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>>1639768
>I wish there had been the same energy
There was, though? Even fucking Jacksepticeye commented on it. I fear in the end it doesn't matter anyway, because normies just simply don't care. Some will forget, some won't even know about it, and they will continute to like and retweets posts of cool looking art and don't think about it much.

No. 1639775

>>1639768
People had way more energy toward him, and he even apologized IIRC. Were you paying attention, anon?

No. 1639780

>>1639775
>>1639774
I know, but no one continued to harrass him afterwards for drawing women like that in general. With Kooleen her one comment and kpopshit art in general gets her branded as racist and while Sam also only had this one instance blow up, no one continued to call him misogynist even though it's what he draws like all the time.

No. 1639781


No. 1639782

>>1639780
It's only been like a week, and the Koleen person didn't apologize, so of course the people who complained didn't just leave it. The same thing would've happened to Sam if he hadn't addressed it.

No. 1639795

>>1639519
This isn’t Twitter anon, no one gives a fuck about generic artist with generic style#153397 with bad opinions. They’re a dime a dozen

No. 1639797

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>>1639782
No it wouldn't and that's likely because he doesn't show anything of his personality and stays mostly quiet from what I've seen. People don't think he's annoying enough to bring it up again, unlike Kooleen with her grating shticks. His recent Spiderverse fanarts for example have all the men looking on model while Gwen was given this typical face he likes, so it's not like the experience made him change.

No. 1639799

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>exaggerated/unique/poc features=good art!!!1!!1
This thread is so retarded sometimes. Both kooleen's and that girl's art are awful, none of them is better than the other, kooleen is just more appealing because she panders to kpoopies. It shows that i was right about koleen's hatred being petty vendeta instead of genuine criticism. If people actually cared about Kooleen's art quality they would criticize her lack of background/interesting compositons/not drawing anything but portraits, but the whole harassment campaign is just based on her not drawing what twittertards want. Drawing unique faces doesnt make your art better, you can draw diff body types/races/made up gendershit bullshit and your art will still be boring and less appealing than generic moeshit.
>inb4 ur just a scrote moid that doesnt like anything that isnt moeshit and you want to fuck blah blah
I am not a retard whose knowledge of art waters down to either goblin blobs or moe blobs. Adding unique/dystinct/whatever features to your character doesnt make your art interesting or better than moeshit artists, it's just a lazy way to try to shield your lack of skill with ''muh style''. It shows that none of you actually know about art beyond twitter artists if you think there is only goblin shit and moe shit. Pic rel, again, is a real artist who knows how to draw different people and make it interesting. But whatever, you can keep thinking that drawing dif races/body types/whatever makes you a better artist.

No. 1639803

>>1639799
Koreaboo-chan, you're still at it? You posted >>1639701 before. Give it a rest already, we don't care.

No. 1639804

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>>1639797
For comparison. Her nose is wider and she doesn't have those disney-tier eyes

No. 1639805

The Kooleen drama SUCKS i miss when there was good art drama and lots of people to discuss. Now it’s all the same petty Twitter bullshit no one cares about.

No. 1639806

>>1639803
pick up an artbook and get to fundies, drawing goblins wont make your art better

No. 1639809

>>1639806
Projection off the charts, kek. If you practiced fundies and learned how to draw actual features and bodies, you wouldn't get so wet over badly drawn kpop idols.

No. 1639811

>>1639806
>>1639809
Both of your art sucks now stop shitting up the thread with your boring art sperging

No. 1639812

>>1639809
anyone can draw that nonny, its not hard to draw a fat blob and stick a bigger nose/lips to something. You thinking its somehow hard shows you have 0 drawing skill.

No. 1639813

>>1639812
You seem to lack reading comprehension, or maybe contradicting yourself is just part of the bit. Anyway, as the other anon said, stop shitting up the thread with this sperging.

No. 1639814

I don't get the bishies argument cause this artist's bishies are ugly, that's a thing with 90% of these korean webtoon art styles, you know the characters are supposed to be good looking but that's besides the point, almost like how there might be a Simpsons character you know is attractive in their universe, but the art makes them not hot for the (normal) viewer. Except that6 unintentional for kpopfied art.

No. 1639816

>>1639814
again, they are ugly for you, not for the 2mil people that follow her. I dont like generic bishies either but i dont pretend my opinion is the unbiased truth and a lot of women find her art of bishies attractive.

No. 1639822

>>1639814
The argument is just that her huge fanbase finds it appealing, I don't see what anons don't get about that or why they are so mad. All styles require practice and they can't be objectively compared so it comes down to fighting over preferences

No. 1639827

>>1639816
This. Most users don’t care about any of that which is why generic artstyles are still so popular even if they all look the same.

No. 1639828

>>1639816
Well, ok, maybe some people find hideous goblins attractive.

No. 1639829

>>1639828
Stop trying to fuck drawings.

No. 1639830

>>1639828
yeah wet baklava and her 1000 followers kek

No. 1639833

>>1639829
Are you illiterate?

No. 1639834

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Alright, alright nonnies, enough Kooleen talk. Let’s talk about Minus8 and maybe have a larger conversation about fiction versus reality particularly pertaining to lolicon on the internet. I’m neutral on the topic myself, in the sense that I hope all irl pedos burn in hell, whereas lolicons are morally questionable but sort of harmless. In this case, I do respect him being honest and actually seeking professional help (not in picrel but stated in another tweet), although his comment about if he had the ‘money and power’ to do X casts a lot of doubt as to how revealing he’s actually being about his levels of self restraint… all in all, just a bit fucking gross. Thoughts?

No. 1639835

>>1638681
A lot of people on twitter use him as a reaction image because he looks funny.

No. 1639837

>>1639834
I asked my art mut if they knew about this and they said yes. This is very well known in the art space, even in the NSFW community. They all now and they ask don't care and I don't understand why.. Clout is one hell of a drug and to be clear, my friend doesn't follow them.

No. 1639838

>>1639834
This just proves to me that people who draw lolicon are just actualy pedos and instead of getting therapy they nut it to drawn cp.

No. 1639842

>>1639838
A good hint is that if an artist focuses on a specific thing most of the time, like say adding ears to characters who aren't animals (might have an anthro kink then) or drawing lolicon/shotacon more frequently even though they draw sone adults too, they most likely have that attraction. The furry one was a bad example because not all anthro artists are furries, but most lolicon/shotacon focused artists are. Same if you draw only big tits, you probably like big tits. You put what you like into your art.

No. 1639844

>>1639834
>>1639838
>>1639842
he isnt really a lolicon, he's just a pedo, all of his animations are of big titty characters, which is why no one suspected him being a pedo. He's the artist that started the pandemic of internet animation memes being solely coomshit with big tits bouncing. He sounds mentally derranged, he should stop drawing coomshit since it obviously fried his brain.
>although his comment about if he had the ‘money and power’ to do X casts a lot of doubt as to how revealing he’s actually being about his levels of self restraint… all in all, just a bit fucking gross. Thoughts?
i wonder if this is why he never wanted to make money off his animations despite being so popular, it makes sense now… yuck

No. 1639845

>>1639833
That post made perfect sense, kek.

No. 1639846

>>1639838
To be fair, does that automatically make lolicon a bad thing? Just to preface, I’m in no way associated with this rotten lot (in fact I have a massive thing for GILFs) but I mean, if you’re attracted to kiddies for whatever reason, and there’s not a lot you can do to change that sexual fixation, then as long as you’re getting professional help on the side, isn’t it better to disperse those urges using fictional characters so that it reduces any dangerous pedo urges towards real children?

No. 1639847

>>1639838
Yeah, that's why I don't trust anyone who brings up that getting off to it keeps them from harming real children. If anything it makes them more deranged with time because they build up a weird tolerance and get into circles of people with even worse fetishes.

No. 1639850

>>1639846
No. Being exposed to that shit makes them more used to it, it becomes less of a big deal or taboo and then it's only a question of time until they get too close to some kid online or a family member or even get into a job where they work with children.

No. 1639851

>>1639846
>if you’re attracted to kiddies for whatever reason, and there’s not a lot you can do
you could always kill yourself

No. 1639852

>>1639834
Him and every porn artist should kill themselves, not only did he have negative effects on the internet and art in general by being one of the pioneers for "r34", we now have every coomtard under the sun praising him like hes some god of animation and respect his "skill". Honestly tired of seeing "references" in comment sections or videos showing this pile of shit's garbage to more people and potentially children who will be on the pipeline to becoming another degenerate or worse.

No. 1639853

>>1639846
i find it interesting that the only artists busted with the real thing havent really been lolisho artists. I remember the guy from samurai x, galko chan and now this guy who draws big tits. Weird shit.

No. 1639855

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>>1639851
Based.

No. 1639860

>>1639847
NTA but exactly, you dont give a alchoholic more alcohol to treat his addiction. Its fucking retarded how many people try and defend it with that excuse just because its "pixels" and "fiction".

No. 1639864

>>1639846
Pedophilia isn't a sexuality but a paraphilia, and you can absolutely control yourself and get rid of it with therapy. The problem is, most pedos/lolicon enjoy being attracted to children, so they never choose therapy (cause that would mean no more cooming) and istead choose to consume more and more pedo content until they become so used to it that they keep searching for something more, ultimately seeking out real children. So yes, lolicon is a bad thing and contrary to popular belief, fiction does affect reality. Just look at how many men start having sick and violent fetishes (and acting it out) after viewing porn.

No. 1639884

>>1639763
im very interested with those streaks of gold ? and how the skin texture you see in it is,ive been trying to do a master copy of it but i just cant achieve it, ive found her brushes tho!

No. 1639895

>>1639864
NTA but I've never heard of a case of someone "getting rid" of peophilia, is there a source for that?

No. 1639902

>>1639804
His version is cuter. I only saw spider verse once (the first one) and it looks like they changed her nose and eyes from the first to the second movie. Maybe that’s why I like his fanart more, it reminds me of her original look

No. 1639909

>>1639902
She grew up, mate.

No. 1639913

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>>1639834
for reference, this is the man who drew an entire image around 2015 about getting off to kids looking at his art. warning for ""shota"" porn

No. 1639914

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>>1639902
My point is that his paintings have Miles and the others looking exactly as they do in the movie, he only does this shit to female characters.

No. 1639915

>>1639804
>>1639914
He’s cuter here too. It’s a cute style.
>>1639909
She had a different nose. It doesn’t change that much unless she got a nose job lol
>>1639864
Porn affects men and women but would any therapist help with porn addiction or pedo issues? I would assume they’d get you on drugs or report you to the police. I don’t trust therapist and anyone who tries to help pedos reform and get rid of it are called enablers or aiding them. It muddied the waters because pro pedo people (that one TIF who worked for a medical university) was outed as being pro pedo under the guise of “helping” them reform.

No. 1639916

>>1639914
This honestly doesn't look like Miles. Doesn't even look like a male character tbh.

No. 1639919

Beginning to think there's a lot of really young people in this thread lmfao. Reminds me of when people were saying the artist who cut her own leg off or whatever's art was actually appealing lol

No. 1639920

>>1639913
I don't know how strict Korean child protection laws are but this creeps hard disk should be looked in to. God I hope no child comes in contact with this fuck.

No. 1639923

Lol I read all the arguments on this thread before I saw the art of the people you’re defending/attacking. This just proves that numbers on social media are so unrelated to quality it’s unreal. The artists I follow who have stories and meaning and soul in their art dont get millions of followers. And all those moid artists like samdoesarts and ilyakushinov are so fucking boring. Sometimes you can see a totally “harmless” art and just smell the moid on it

No. 1639925

>>1639923
I don't understand why anyone thinks followers mean an artist has actual appeal. Sakimichans art is horrifying but she has a ton of followers.

No. 1639927

>>1639923
But muh 2 million followers, kekk

No. 1639938

>>1639923
appealing thing is popular, it's not that hard to understand. You arent special for not liking popular thing and feeling you are above it.

No. 1639940

A lot of beginner artists or layman will see something shiny and rendered and think it's good but for me actual sophisticated art is something along the lines of Bernie fuchs or Bob peak. You can tell they have an understanding of form and design even if their work looks less polished to the layman.

No. 1639944

>>1639938
Reality tv and insane 5 minute crafts videos are popular too, it doesn’t mean they are good or have artistic value. I will enjoy having better taste forever

No. 1639948

>>1639938
By this tard logic, Shadman is a better artist than you lol

No. 1639950

>>1639944
good for you, but dont pretend those things have no appeal just because you dont like it. Kooleen is just that, inane entertainment, but twittertards are trying to pretend she was a serious art channel all along and not something babies who just picked up a pencil watch to encourage them to draw. It's baby's first drawing channel, if they want to get better they are eventually going to move one to other channels. It's not that hard to understand.

No. 1639952

>>1639950
>It's baby's first drawing channel,
And it's shit, that simple.

No. 1639955

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>>1639948
i never said ''better'' i said more appealing, shadman is appealing to coomers, kooleen to kpop stand, that girl with the weird elf oc to no one. It's simple. I dont understand why some of you cant grasp the difference between something being appealing and something being good.
>>1639952
i never denied that, i dont know why you are so dead set in me being a kpop stan defending the honor of the yassified queen just because i said her art is appealing to the kpop audience she has.

No. 1639963

>>1639895
>>1639915
Again, the issue here is that men hardly ever get rid of fetishes because they're just too coombrained and most of them have the empathy of a wall. Men will never want to get better and get rid of their sick perversions, so while it could be possible to help men with therapy, I agree they should just get purged because they refuse to change their behaviours. I've personally only ever seen women being able to get rid of harmful fetishes and paraphilias. Men could do it too, they just choose not to (kind of like trannies).

No. 1639964

>>1639955
Anon you could literally argue that any type of art could potentially be appealing to a certain audience. I think because a lot of us here don't find her art appealing in any way at all.

No. 1639966

>>1639964
its like max 4 anons from a niche imageboard with autistic women vs millions of kpoopers, our opinion on whats popular art with normies doesnt matter, get over it. Normies have been liking shit forever and will keep liking shit, there is no point in starting an autistic brigade over an artist not drawing the way you want, it's just entitlement. Let her draw her kpoopies, you keep drawins your goblins, people with taste will keep trying to emulate leyendecker or something.

No. 1639968

>>1639966
I have no idea what you're talking about lol I just think her art is ugly.

No. 1639974

>>1639955
>>1639966
Because you're trying to legitimize shit art and getting steamed because people pointed out the other artist had more skill with "but she has over 2 gorillion followers!!". Yeah, kpop stans and bots with no taste lol.

No. 1639980

>>1639974
both of them have the same skill, c'mon they both draw uber generic soulless garbage the only difference is the girl that called her out slaps different features to her soulless characters and pretends she's better for that. Again, i never said kooleen has better art for her followers, i just said her art is appealing enough to get followers that want to draw like her, the other girl also has generic art but its way less appealing and her follower count reflect that. There are artists who have great skill and not enough followers, but those artists arent constantly seeking attention. The fact she got over 6k likes and several rts and barely got any followers from her call out post shows that her art is heavily unappealing and no one wants to see it. It's really sad to scroll through her twitter media page, when she isnt sperging about kooleen she's trying to advertise and barely getting 10 likes at best, really sad.

No. 1639983

why is every new thread filled with useless sperging, both sides are right, now let's move the fuck on

No. 1639986

>>1639983
Because anons can't take other opinions KEK

No. 1639988


No. 1639993

>>1639983
Cuz twitfags keep finding their way here first it was that retarded tif and now koolean who'll die if someone asks her to draw something else than kpoopers

No. 1639994

>>1639927
Still not sure why I should care about how many followers she has.

No. 1640014

>>1639993
>koolean who'll die if someone asks her to draw something else than kpoopers
she hasnt even responded to the drama, kek. its just spergs like you who cant phantom someone drawing whatever they like inteasd of pandering to you and catering to everyone's tastes.

No. 1640019

>>1639864
>contrary to popular belief, fiction does affect reality
The proof is in how weeb shit completely normalized sexualizing children in the past 15 years. Admitting to "ephebophilia" was something that would turn a grown man into a walking joke before weeb shit made sexy 13 year old girls a thing.

No. 1640034

>>1640019
seriously? 15 years ago it was waaaay more acceptable for a grown man to date teense. John K didnt need animu to groom 16yos off the internet. If anything we are lucky to be living in an era that call out 20 yos dating 16yos on the daily.

No. 1640035

>>1639834
Why would he admit to this kek pedo men are retarded

No. 1640037

>>1639994
Do you have no reading comprehension at all? The follower count just shows you that many people like her art. The argument is that even bad and unskilled artwork can get you a huge following if it appeals to someone and for some reason anons can't fathom that art can be technically bad but still appealing in some way.

No. 1640040

>>1639884
Link the brushes nonita? This is a really gorgeous piece.

No. 1640044

>>1640035
Most porn animators are low iq coomtards who only got as far as they did cause they made fellow coomtards coom the hardest and they now suck them off constantly and defend them for being so "skilled" kek.

No. 1640046

>>1640035
he's extremely retarded and spergs out on the daily. I remember when i found out about the original message(i was 16 please understand) and everyone just brushed it off as him sperging out as usual over tumblrtards attacking him for drawing a 17 and 364 years old character, it was the time when everyone used to attack artists over the smallest thing and he wasnt know as a loli artist+ his english is barely understandable, so everyone just thought he was having a mental breakdown and let it slide.

No. 1640052

>>1640037
Ntayrt
Because she makes clickbait

No. 1640053

>>1640037
Yeah, it changes nothing, I don't care, shit art.

No. 1640058

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>>1638593
I agree, her tutorials are detrimental to beginner artists but every beginner gravitates towards “how to draw anime head” type of tutorials anyway.
It feels like a lot of the hatred is unwarranted.
I can’t get over, a similar artist with a similar shtick defending Kooleen then throwing her under the bus

No. 1640059

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>>1640058
Here is the artist (Rin)

No. 1640060

>>1640034
Don't comment on this part of thing if you're obviously under 20. Seriously, no it wasn't. The "good old days" things scrotes say these days are just lies.

No. 1640062

>>1640014
Then don't be a art roast channel if you can draw something more than instathots( not anatomically correct either because lol those hands). She deserves this flak and ass lickers show that your art maybe far worse if you think this is good kek

No. 1640064

>>1639564
She’s not the first to call her out though, TikTok was already fuming about her but LC never covered it.

No. 1640065

>>1640040
https://www.yuuki-jia.com/store/yuukis-brushes-for-photoshop I think if you wanted to these can be mimicked. Hopefully I can find a speedpaint

No. 1640066

>>1640059
I can't believe that red sketch is what caused all this discourse. From a quick glance I like this girls art but her skill level seems a bit too high for the average youtube shorts art tutorial watcher.

No. 1640067

>>1640060
my grandmother and mom started dating my grandpa/dad at age 16/17, my cousin's mom was 16 and my scrote uncle was 21 when they had my cousin. It was waaay more acceptable back then and you cannot deny it. You cannot pretend pedo shit wasnt more openly accepted before when lolita/pretty baby/leon the professional hit the big screen. You dont need to make up bullshit claims to argue against loli, dont be retarded.

No. 1640069

>>1640067
oh and i forgot taxi driver too, those movies would NOT hit the big screen nowadays and when they slip by like cuties they get shit on, cuties would be a classic if it was made 20 years ago.

No. 1640074

>>1640059
I don’t want to draw ugly people either. The redline head doesn’t even look like a gorilla so it’s obviously a joke; and to conflate it with black people is retarded. Gorilla is a gorilla like an orc is an orc. If you think otherwise that’s on you. Is this art channel good for drama or is she just a commentator and not an artist?
I know people are seething about Ethan but I would say he plays with shape language a lot and he likes tan/darker women. I don’t care lmao. Besides I don’t think he’s getting enough traction since he stopped doing YouTube crit. Thanks for the reminder anon.

No. 1640075

>>1638928
Last artist that was the subject of a witch-hunt was samdoesart but he knew how to respond and imo made many of his critics seem unhinged.
Kooleen is just the newest victim

No. 1640077

Unrelated but is it a faux pas to resell art you bought from someone else? I saw an artist resell a print and pin she bought from another artist. I don’t know what to do with my current collection of prints and art books (like komorebi by djamila). I don’t want some of them anymore but throwing them away seems disrespectful. Has anyone done something like this?

No. 1640082

>>1640074
She’s very similar to Kooleen that initially I thought she was the one that got cancelled. She probably will one day since she attracts the same crowd that are hungry for blood.

She’s an artist but most of her stuff now is about art tutorials which are lot better than Koolen’s, which with all due respect isn’t an achievement.

Other than tutorials she mocks art correction artists but honestly I just can’t bring myself to care about. The only noteworthy one is this video https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cs3JM0Es3JO/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Because the corrector didn’t catch on the zippertits .

No. 1640089

>>1640077
You can donate them away to a thrift store nonnie? I mean you've paid for the art book and print and reselling is well within your right(although itll be copyright infringement if you make copies and sell it). I've seen some art books pop up on some thrift books stores

No. 1640093

>>1640075
You sound like that fag solar sands. She's not the newest victum she's just fucking dumb. This is her audience she cultivated and they themselves called her out on it. Now stop sperging about a two bit artist you can find om tik tok in a second

No. 1640115

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Anyone know where I could find Ayami Kojima’s nsfw yaoi doujins? I’ve searched every archive I could find but no luck.

No. 1640132

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>>1640115
I don't think they've ever been uploaded (aside from Heel Heal) sorry nonnie. Someone is having a huge lot sale of her doujins on Paypay right now though if you have money to burn

No. 1640141

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>>1640132
I’m not much a fan of Heel Heal (it’s too goofy and the lolicon undertones throw me off). I would look into the sale but I can’t imagine what the proxy cost will be kek.

No. 1640208

>>1639675
Yes, and it's stupid cuz you just need to think for two seconds to realize the actual reason why the coomer pedos aren't called out by twitterinas, and it's a completely different issue. It's such a text book case of whataboutism.
Moid coomers have exclusively moid coomer fanbase and regular artist twitterinas do not interact with that side of the internet, so they just don't find them to make a call out. It also means there's not really anything a callout could do. The coomer moid's coomer moid fanbase isn't gonna stop supporting the coomer moid because you made a callout post about him being indeed a coomer moid (it's the exact reason why they are following him), so he will just completely ignore any callouts like nothing happened. Also, coomer moids are deranged, I wouldn't want an army of deranged pedo coomers doing whatever troll tactics they have at me only for nothing to happen to the gross moid artist.
Similar reason why Stonetoss or that guy with the greek last name aren't really cancelled (you just replace coomer moid with e-conservatard).

The few cases of coomer moids I can think of getting called out are that one youtube geek animator that got bullied of the internet for having a fart fetish (his main audience was normie geeks), the SCP Confinement guy (originally made his work for regular non-coomer SCP fans, scammed his fanbase) and Shadman (pretty much the only nsfw artist that a good ammount of non coomers/some normies are aware of because of memes, actually drew real kids, still took like 10 years of outrage for him to fall down because obviously his coomer moid fanbase/clientele didn't care, was actually being investigated for his pedo shit and was actually arrested for attacking someone). I've also seen some people call out pantsu ripper (used to have a good chunk of actually artsy work, got big because of non coomer meme art) for his holocaust jokes and for drawing patreon stuff of teen characters, but it was more like people complaining about him in their own space than trying to start a crusade on him.

No. 1640245

>>1640208
NTA but exactly, and spending 10 seconds in any male dominated artist space makes this really obvious. Female artists online tend to draw stuff that appeals to a young female audience, a group that is notorious for petty callouts. Males just don't do this anywhere near the same level. They follow their fave male coomer artists, spam peach emojis at grotesque anime girls, and call it a day. This is also why the whole proship/anti debate is almost entirely infighting between women while men are walking around with pornified cartoon children on their hoodies without a care in the world. Sanctimonious Twitter girls intuitively realize they have no power over men, and if they want the righteous dopamine hit that accompanies forcing someone into a teary-eyed half hour Youtube apology video, they have to target women. They'd wither away and die if they saw the degenerate shit males enjoy.

No. 1640261

>>1640208
They aren't called out because they're men. They expect men to be degen, but when women draw shota or fujoshi shit or whatever it makes them rage because women aren't supposed to do that, they're supposed to have some mystical obligation to be virtuous and a slave to everyone else and their sensibilities at all times, plus it's so much easy to harass women. They dont care what men are doing, they want to take whatever petty anger and passive aggression they have out on women because they're meant to be passive and accommodating and listen to the retarded whiny shit they have to cry about

No. 1640267

>>1640261
Men are just so proud about their interests that it's hard to cancel them. I mean Minus8 literally said he was a pedophile, and people called him out, but he still has over 400k followers. I don't think this is a women eat other women situation, I think you should be called out for pedoshit no matter what your gender is. It's not petty, it's just the fact that so many women politicize being into "problematic" stuff and turn it into some weird movement instead of just being loud and proud about their degen fetishes. They get so upset when called out about it and try to make it seem like they're being called out for being a woman or called out my "puritans" or something. I've never seen a man sperge out this much when called out for their fetishes.

No. 1640470

>>1640077
Of course you can sell that. Some artbooks really grow in value, too, why would you trash them, wtf. Only thing that can be weird is original art that has somehow been tailored to you but even then I wouldn't care as an artist if I saw somebody resell my piece, sometimes people just need money or don't have space anymore.

No. 1640473

>>1640060
I feel like it's actually more normalized now. Just recently I read about a teen that got groomed by a 35 y old or something "transwoman" and none of the adults, some of them social workers, involved said anything to let the teen know that maybe this was inappropriate and she wasn't just very mature for her age. In my memory when I was young this was much more openly frowned upon and people were more mindful about appropriate relationships between adults and kids. Now there's this whole culture going on of how normalcy is stuffy, boring and bad and adults who don't have their shit together are poor victims that encourages removing kids from stable and protective environments (or accepts not giving them one if they don't have it).

No. 1640490

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Let's say that hypothetically I am a somewhat famous internet content creator (not related to art), and let's also say that hypothetically I draw very nefarious shit for myself. Is it a good idea to post it online? How easy is it to track someone's art from a very few sketches, mostly made for fun or for advertisement purposes? I also only showed my personal art to hypothetical online friends when I was just starting and I didn't think I was going to garner this much attention. My hypothetical style is very generic anime, but I do have very niche interests, and that's why I am tempted to post it online.

No. 1640494

>>1640490
Kek I love the thought of a famous youtuber browsing lc and drawing kinky anime porn in their free time.

To answer your question, how would it affect your career if the art got connected to you? Would you be cancelled or would it just be embarrassing? You have to always consider the possibility of it happening, it has happened to other content creators as well. Have you posted other art online, could people connect the dots by the style being similar (even if it is generic anime style)? Do you talk about your niche interest in your content or on your social media?

No. 1640499

>>1640490
If you think it could completely ruin your reputation you probably shouldn't risk it, twitter clout isn't worth anything unless you want to build an audience to sell commissions or open a patreon. On the other hand you could go by unsuspected as long as you're careful. Don't use the same names or birthdates or e-mail adresses, don't interact with anyone from your actual circle, don't use the same typing patterns and be careful about leaving tabs open or staying logged in. Some youtuber was recently exposed for having a side account where he was saying unhinged shit to zero followers and people only found out because he opened twitter and it showed the icon as an option while switching accounts. I've also seen artists try to switch styles and restart, but then they got found out because their brushes in speedpaints were still named the same, so be careful about everything around art. Even if it's generic anime it'll have some similarities that could be traced back to you. But if it's only style you can deny the connection, it only becomes difficult when there's something specific showing you drew it.

No. 1640501

>>1639834
Spineless, CP is CP it doesn't matter if its digital 2D CP. All of you excusing CP make me sick.

No. 1640506

>>1640494
i honestly dont know, most of my fanbase is men so the chances of being genuinely cancelled might be slim, but also i dont wanna lose connections with other creators who are sadly very reactionary twitter adjacent thanks to the current state of the internet. Its funny because i started content creation as a hobby to help me distract from grinding art fundamentals because i wanted to get good enough to start working on my manga/game. Monkey's paw. I dont post my art anymore, but i used to make art for mutuals so those are the only traces of my art left.
>>1640499
thanks for the tips. I am mostly conflicted because i grinded fundies so hard just to be able to draw my niche interests and now i have to think if posting my art might make troons angry

No. 1640508

>>1639844
I dunno if you just found out about him recently or not, but minus8's been on the internet for over a decade and he's drawn plenty of little girls. He even drew porn of Dora the Explorer. I wouldn't call him a committed lolicon since he does love his big titties and traps, but he is an irl pedo and extremely pornsick.

No. 1640511

>>1640508
Have known him for a long time but he shits out so much porn on a daily basis i had no idea he actually drew loli, all of his famous stuff is ''popular character, but big tits''.

No. 1640514

>>1640506
Good luck nona, I hope you manage to succeed in both areas! If your art has changed at least a bit since then you should be fine, especially if you keep drawing and your interests in general a secret and don't give anyone a reason to start digging up dirt on you.

No. 1640516

>>1640506
What niche are you talking about if you don't mind telling? Maybe it's not even that bad. And if you make an account with a handle that looks like a captcha and don't let on that you understand english you should be pretty safe.

No. 1640517

>>1639853
It could be a diversion tactic, or the fact that the majority of pedophiles don't have a exclusive attraction towards children. The Rurouni Kenshin scrote's manga had no ecchi in it so you can't determine his tastes based on his work alone. The Galko character is big titty but still an underaged schoolgirl with an oversexualized design despite her manga being the weeb idea of "wholesome". Not all lolicons may want to molest real little girls but I don't believe you can get aroused by the idea of a child without having some sort of paraphilia. More than one doujinka has been caught using CP as to reference their art so there's a significant correlation, especially considering Japan's lax laws on CP. I've also noticed that Japanese and non-American lolicons are generally more willing to admit being attracted to children than Americans are. Comic LO apparently has ads for pedo therapy/support groups and warnings to keep appreciation of little girls 'fiction only'. Meanwhile in the West pedo weebs will recite their entire psychological and family histories in order to justify why jerking it to toddlercon is 100% supported by their therapists as a healthy coping mechanism for their trauma, and that they're only really into the aesthetic until an ex-friend leaks the discord chats of the several times they tried grooming the minor in their friend group or called a real child hot.

No. 1640520

>>1639834
>I do respect him being honest and actually seeking professional help
if he actually wanted to get better he would distance himself from the internet. The only reason he even publicly admits that he is a pedophile is so he can get pity. Why even fish for sympathy when you are a pedophile? Just keep that shit private, stay of the internet, don't interact with children and go to therapy. Ideally pedophiles should just kill themselves
>>1639838
Many lolicon artist uses pictures of children as reference for their porn. Lolicons who don't draw can at least excuse themselves with separating fiction from reality but lolicon artists can't

No. 1640527

>>1640501
Exactly nona, there's a reason why it's considered CSAM in Australia

No. 1640531

>>1640516
male ryona and underage male characters that arent shota-bait. I know male ryona is considered based here but normies arent ready for the most based of fetishes yet. That's kinda why i wanna post my stuff, kinda out of spite for the hoardes of female ryona and ugly old male characters that plague the net. I think women get shit on more for not being perfect tbh, i remember one of the girls on the whole creepshow drama that did a video criticizing loli/shota for being pedo and then was found out drawing that blond guy from MHA and being called a pedo for that, when that bastard aint no shota, kek.

No. 1640534

>>1640520
The fact that he's done this waaah im a pedo pity party several times lets you know that he's not a no-contact pedo desperately wanting to get better. He's just an attention whore.
>>1640531
>underage male characters that arent shota-bait
How is a character being underaged less of a problem than them being shota-bait?
Drawing out of spite or ironically only attracts people who are genuinely into the subject, so you'll just end up being known as the high school boy ryona lady and not a funny meme troll that draws stuff to get a rise out of people. Women can't win for losing so you're better off keeping you stuff to yourself or not attaching your name to it if you at all care about your current reputation.

No. 1640540

>>1640534
>How is a character being underaged less of a problem than them being shota-bait?
they dont act or look like children so who cares?
>Drawing out of spite or ironically only attracts people who are genuinely into the subject
i do like male ryona though, its not ironic. i say out of spite because there is like one male ryona artist vs a bazillion female ryona artists, so its mostly just me being spiteful that male ryona isnt as popular.

No. 1640601

>>1639556
the random tryhard light rendering on this shitty 2 second doodle kek

No. 1640825

>>1640267
Exactly. Men don't try to morally defend their fetishes, they'll just say "yep, I have pedo fetishes and draw gross shit, deal with it, if you call me out you're a stinky sjw just because I said so" and then ignore it and have their coomer drone army defend them. Worst case scenario they'll create a character to represent the women that are criticizing them, and draw her being sexually assaulted, and they'll still be uncancellable after that because they have absolutelly no shame and their fan army has absolutely no interest in morals. I think coomer moid artists could pretty much commit murder and their fans wouldn't care. I think only if the moid artist is scamming his audience they might care.
The only way you can actually cancel a moid coomer artist is by literally sending him to prison.

Anyway, I can't find it right now, but since nonnas want moidcows, I think people should make fun of George Alexopoulos more often for drawing those unironic high school MAGA bad boy self insert fanfiction comics kek also for drawing gross conservacoomer shit, but the way he does it isn't even fun to mock, it's just gross

No. 1640877

>>1640531
>that blond guy from MHA
He’s still ugly though why would you draw that.

No. 1640884

>>1640877
All anime characters are lowkey ugly

No. 1640912

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a nonna last thread posted this and i would like to request more boot camp type schedules if anyone has any. i like this one and i am following it but i also like to shake up the routine every so often so if anyone has any other useful detailed schedules like this please post! thank you

No. 1640931

>>1639920
Porn is illegal in S.K so he could get arrested even for the non cp stuff lol what a retard

No. 1640949

>>1640267
>They get so upset when called out about it and try to make it seem like they're being called out for being a woman or called out my "puritans" or something. I've never seen a man sperge out this much when called out for their fetishes.
i mentally groan whenever i see a female artist trying to defend her fetishes lol. i have some problematic fetishes as well but i can't be bothered to rationalise it. People need to learn to ignore the callout posts they get. Don't draw attention to it so your fans will see it and don't respond to it because then you are encouraging the person who made it to futher engage with you which leads to more harassment. I have unfollowed artists before because their feed was them complaining about "puriteens" or whatever. Your fans just wants to see your art not read about the 367382th slapfight you have gotten into this week

No. 1640952

>>1640877
>>1640884
where do these twitterfags come from?

No. 1640970

>>1640949
True. You’re a grown woman - you shouldn’t be arguing with teenagers.
>>1640952
TIL not liking animu faggots makes me a twitterfag.

No. 1641041

>>1640949
True, but I also understand why some react that way. It's a stressful situation to be in and you couldn't relate to it unless it happened to you. Male audiences won't give a shit anyway but female audiences will turn on you, friends might drop you, etc. It's strange because you can draw and post whatever and no one will care, but once some rando decides that it's actually something really horrible and makes a callout about it, it'll suddenly make a lot of people go "Yikes! I've always thought they were weird!". In the end it's just a few terminally online lowlives that don't matter, but it can stick for a long time depending on how much people actually dislike you. Of course some people can ignore all that, but it does feel bad and making posts arguing about it can make you feel like you're regaining some control over your public perception.

No. 1641059

>>1640912
This is a lot of work and I guess it's good practice, but I don't like how unrelated all the days are. A monthly challenge with a consistent theme where you end up with a cohesive body of work at the end of the month would be more worth your while. Like, maybe you can follow this, but restrict yourself by building up a story, or using the same male and female character through the month.

No. 1641069

Nonnies how do you communicate with someone who's esl? I've gotten some illustration work but the client is from Japan and its clear they struggle with English I tend to ask alot of questions but the answers they give are so vague( like not clearly telling if they like the pose or the composition) I don't blame them but it's clear they don't like the pose but can't communicate with me.its a bit troubling. What have your experiences been with foreign clients? What kind of questions should I ask?

No. 1641096

>>1641069
you can try communicating through google translate. it's not the best, but it honestly sounds better than what's going on now.

No. 1641119

>>1641069
Do you have someone who could translate for you? I don't know if paying a translator to interpret is an option

No. 1641177

>>1640245
>Sanctimonious Twitter girls intuitively realize they have no power over men, and if they want the righteous dopamine hit that accompanies forcing someone into a teary-eyed half hour Youtube apology video, they have to target women. They'd wither away and die if they saw the degenerate shit males enjoy.
This is so sad but true. The only power these girls wield is over other women.

No. 1641248

>>1641069
I second the finding someone to translate for you. The thing with japanese is that it's a very passive agressive language kek, people rarely straight up say something, they use subtext a lot, so maybe that's what's happening here, in that case google translate may not help to convey what your client is actually trying to say…

No. 1641310

>>1640470
I wasn’t going to trash all of them but planned to either sell or donate. Some of the pieces I might trash but those are for personal reasons.

No. 1641402

Has anyone advertised their commissions to reddit? Im double thinking if i should post my commission sheet there since my twitter is practically dead.

No. 1641413

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I wonder if this could be the actual end of artfight. I feel like there has been a lot of drama behind the scenes for years now and it's crazy that no one got paid despite the huge sums they make in donations. As far as I understand there is only one coder left right now, the rest has stepped down.

No. 1641459

>>1641059
AYRT I actually have been using my characters from a game I'm making for all the exercises/changing a few of the prompts like studying animals and plants instead of Sci fi armor since that has no relevance to my goals

No. 1641510

>>1641402
I have years back. Reddit commissioners tend to be either normies who want their partners, pets portraits drawn or dnd ocs. Plan accordingly.

No. 1641520

>>1641510
the dnd ocs sounds interesting how would you rate the commission experience in reddit? did u get annoying clients??

No. 1641529

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>>1640912
I was that nonna. Just google like I said.
>>1641520
Nope, but I only did a few on reddit before I got lucky in twitter. But it's still the dominant commission format if you check r/hungryartists

No. 1641539

>>1641069
you could make a survey with straightforward answer
>do you like the pose y/n
>if no: please describe what you don't like about it

No. 1641577

>>1641520
I've got a bunch of dnd commissions from reddit and I can confidently say that all of my clients where really nice. It's worth a shot

No. 1641588

Is even worth to keep posting my drawings on DeviantTard? Is the account where I have most followers but now nobody is active.
And what accounts should I open or are the most prevalent to artists? It's been like 7 months since I got my last commissioner, I'm even thinking of selling myself to coom art but I don't want to go that low.

No. 1641611

>>1641119
Sadly it's not in my Budget to hire a interpreter they're a vtuber so I'm doing detail work on their illustration (character concept). I try to simplify the terms as best I can but sometimes it still gets lost in translation >>1641539
I want to try that dunno if it seems rude. I really want to communicate with them better after all they've paid quite a bit

No. 1641615

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Which one of you is making us look like weirdos in the new /cbsg/ thread on /ic/. People think lolcow users are pedos.

No. 1641620

>>1641611
it wont seem rude, just say its part of your process to enable the customer to give input in a structured way, before it's too late. (while you can still take the feedback in and incorporate it into your work) and you do it this way because you care so much about them being satisfied with the product they purchase. try to make it seem as casual and neutral as possible (turn on your customer service voice) so you lower the barrier to critique. you could actually use this going forward if you put thought into it. for example you can ask for their thoughts/feedback on pose, color palette, facial expression and have an open-end field in the end if they wanna share any other thoughts.

No. 1641622

>>1641615
nonnie who the fuck cares what ic thinks of us? Theyre genuine pedos they literally have lolicon threads on there??

No. 1641631

>>1641615
Moid coping.

No. 1641659

>>1641622
I speed read what happened, the /cbsg/ thread tried updating the rules to get rid of shotacons and someone made a copy of the thread that keeps shota as retaliation. The op got in an argument and eventually posted their own art. Someone called her nonnie and said they've seen the art so I'm assuming the shota op has posted here. Small world, it's funny seeing my niche threads overlap.

No. 1641672

Do any of you know what non-english speaking artists mean when they use "CP" or "NCP" as an abbreviation? I've seen a lot of korean artists say it randomly on normal artwork

No. 1641673

>>1641659
>>1641622
>>1641615
Yeah I'm catching up with it now. Some shota poster that rarely posted in their general to begin tried to highjack the threads because /cbsg/ wanted to split from shotas for months now. and now that thread split to make another general for solely for hot guys the pedo still won't fuck off back their shota generals. They even found the post the pedo made both here and on /ic/ lol i'm not a regular to /cbsg/ the nonnie ruining shit for handful of nonnies who still draw there is so fucking lame.

No. 1641676

>>1641672
from context could it be colored piece, non colored piece?

No. 1641694

>>1641672
CP = couple, NCP = non couple

No. 1641713

>>1641694
And more specifically, the CP stands for "character pairing". I finally learnt about it the other day actually, it had been bugging me forever kek

No. 1641717

Idk if someone in here can relate but i finally found a line art style and a "main" brush i like and think i can use consistenly for a comic i decided to make.
If anyone has any advice or anecdote relating to maintaining a webcomic, i'm very open to it too

No. 1641719

>>1641694
>>1641713
Makes sense, thank you for answering nona!

No. 1641770

>>1641611
Maybe this is stupid advice, but you could ask friends if they can translate at all. I recently found out one of my friends translates a lot of fanworks as a hobby and she’s been willing to do some for me. I offered to pay and she refused but I ended up drawing some art for her instead, maybe you could ask around like that?

No. 1641771

>>1641717
Have as many pages done as possible before you start uploading and keep as many as you can as a buffer, ideally a month's worth of updates at least. Re-read your work when you're working on new pages, it helps the story flow naturally. Work out the whole plot and have an ending ready. Write a script, and draw storyboards for the more important scenes, or any dialogue heavy scenes. Draw reference sheets for every character and location. Most importantly of all, don't respond to any bullshit that comes your way. No apologies, no changes, nothing. Kids are insane and any concessions you make will be taken as permission for them to harass you even more. Ignore, block, keep uploading as normal.

No. 1641906

>>1641771
Ty for your answer!
I was planning on starting to post as soon as i was finished with the second chapter but i think i'll wait to produce a couple more.
And yeah, if it somehow causes discourse i don't plan to react to it at all. Actually, i don't plan to post anything that isn't directly related to the comic with maybe the exception of side drawings, just in case something seems a bit too controversial to a reactionary weirdo.

No. 1641977

>>1641413
Sites don't seem to pick back up like they used to when being hit like this. This is largely an easily fixed nothingburger with other accusations shoehorned in. As much as I like AF in concept, this caters to a crowd that probably can't manage their way through a CSS stylesheet, let alone maintaining an entire website even if it means knowing who to hire to fix what they don't know how to fix.

No. 1642102

>>1641717
You know you can just google that kind of stuff, right? I'm sure there's some decent youtube videos you can watch or some posts on Tumblr or Reddit where people share their experiences creating and maintaining webcomics and offer advice in the comments.

No. 1642132

>>1642102
Nayrt but yeah I watched this really long video about how webtoon basically isn't worth it in the youtubers experience because there is no discovery feature or tagging system so you have to advertise the shit out of yourself or hope webtoon does, it doesn't matter if your story and art is even good vidrel

No. 1642431

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>>1641041
Thankyou! I see so many people saying to 'just ignore it', but the whole reason there's been a massive spike in online 'accountability' and the enforcement of real life moral principles on the internet is because we've moved into an era wherein your online persona is no longer considered a throwaway play-pretend mask, but is expected to represent you as an individual. Of course, this change comes along with the growth of a generation growing up mostly on the internet, and who therefore never fully disconnect their online personas from their irl experiences unlike us elder users. Hence, why the proship/anti divide is so strongly situated between age groups as opposed to any other factor. But back to the original point, if people (as they do now) interact with you in a way that suggests your online persona truly represents you as a person, it's hard to disconnect when they suddenly flip on you because they're deliberately trying to target hate towards the person behind the screen. This is particularly evident by how people start assuming stuff about your irl identity (they're probably straight, white, blah blah who gives a fuck) even when you've made no such reference in your bio. But that's just my two cents, as someone who's experienced relatively minor fandom cancellation.

No. 1642466

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Sometimes I understand people who say artists are obsessive and addicted. You wouldn't normally see a person teacher her feet to learn to type in a desk job. Sorry I don't know how to embed twitter videos.

https://twitter.com/kauchama/status/1682928152580849670

No. 1642468

>>1641717
As someone with a mediocre performing (but still fun to make) webcomic, it really feels harder and harder each year to be scene or noticed. kek.

No. 1642523

>>1638590
Turn off any music or noise you have playing when drawing. I like music, but I've noticed that even calming music still gets me distracted

No. 1642557

>>1638590
This video might be insightful.

No. 1642636

>>1642466
True, I remember this person getting issues with their dominant hand and then switching to their other one and getting issues in it as well and now feet. I love artists that get so into it, but I also wish they would take care of themselves before getting to that point.
I really want to know how they do it so tirelessly though. Like, I saw rinotuna stream and he goes for 5-8 hours sometimes, without many breaks inbetween. Just one drawing or painting after another and 82pigeon does the same from what I've seen. I take too many breaks while drawing, but whenever I manage to keep going I quickly run out of new ideas to draw. Is it even something that can be learned through practice or is that what pure passion for a craft looks like?

No. 1642647

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I have been drawing for years and would love a career involving art someday, but I've honestly never gotten past the "making the sketch look good" phase of drawing because of all the years I've spent focused on just that. I think I can sketch out something that looks decent but anything past that, whether it be lineart or coloring (mostly coloring), I fail at tremendously. I'd like to post my art online and have at least a bit of an internet presence the fact that all my stuff is unfinished sketches is preventing me from doing so. Are there any recommendations for good paint tool sai tutorials that'd help me find my own way of painting eventually?

No. 1642657

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I've noticed that in Japan most art booths are super simple and comfy. They only sell doujins, fanzines, artbook or fanfics and maybe a few keychains or stickers here and there. Most of them stick to one or two fandoms that they're currently obsessed in which is pretty amazing. I wish I can just sell doujins of my favourite fandom at animecons but nowadays most artists (at least in my country) go super over the top with their fan merchandise game from t-shirts to bags to intricate plushies. Some even expand to selling car accessories! No one even sells doujins anymore. But I know if I just sell doujins I won't even be accepted to booth at cons because there's a lot of talented artists with amazing fan merchs to compete with. I keep getting rejected from most artist alleys even when applying for it with the standard fan merchs (keychains,stickers, artprints). But what the heck! Next year I'm going to try again but I'm going back to basic and just sell doujins. I don't give a fuck! I just want to share fancomics of my weird niche fandom to share with other fans that are into the same weird shit as me. We need to go back to making fancomics/doujins goddammit!

No. 1642707

>>1642431
Yes, exactly! Being so terminally online has blurred the lines for younger people. And the growing trend of people saying you can't consume media unless it relates to your identity is making them believe that you have to agree with everything you draw or watch and that every character has to be a self insert. Media literacy going down because kids don't read more than what they find online also doesn't help. And since they are kids they don't have any self-reflection abilities and won't admit to mistakes and people from your circles won't speak up because there's no way you're getting called bigoted for no reason and it's not their place anyway and whatnot. They just silently unfollow and undo all retweets and then they'll shittalk you to their other friends to make sure they know they aren't like you. Or they slip you a dm and tell you to apologize because their reputation is on the line as well. It's all very stressful and I wish I could start completely new without any of those useless ties.
Sorry for rambling on, I actually wanted to ask if you came back to that fandom afterwards and what your experience was like if you don't mind? I've gone through something similar back in january and I still don't know if I should go back. I want to post fanart and engage with other fans again, but I likely won't be able to share or talk as much as I did before and thinking about posting gives me a weird feeling, almost like an oncoming stomachache. I know I shouldn't care, but I'm scared it'll be a very joyless experience where I silently post finished drawings and get no comments until I slip up and say or draw something that could be taken the wrong way again…

No. 1642741

>>1642647
Get out of the whole "I have to follow the 4 step 'process' of sketch, line, color, and shade. If anything, those art tutorials will force you into a box of following those steps. Use the opportunity of having many unfinished sketches as a chance to experiment in what a "finished" drawing is to you.

No. 1642895

>>1642707
>I wish I could start completely new without any of those useless ties.
Who said you couldn't?

No. 1642913

>>1642636
When I was younger I was one of these fast artists though nowhere near as skilled lmfao. I started loosing the speed when I met my moid and had a wagie. And somewhat dropped it in favor of more thoughtful pieces and not just anime girl bust #2458

No. 1642978

>>1642895
I really can't. Those people are too online, they know about everything that goes on in fandoms that I like and they follow me on most platforms so I couldn't notify the followers I have left. Even then I couldn't totally start fresh because my style is too recognizable. Every side account I've made for different fandoms so far has been tied back to me at some point. It's kind of hopeless.

No. 1643123

>>1642978
As I may understand that negative talk isn't comfortable, it's still your life and not theirs. Do you want to give them the power to run your life and decide what you can and can't do? Whoever shit talks, block, delete, and tell them to mind their own business.
Also, styles can be changed, may take a bit but you will be a better artist by being versatile.

No. 1643124

>>1642978
Turn off comments on your twitter/instagram posts. Don't respond to anyone but your friends. Block liberally. You don't have to interact with your followers.

No. 1643128

>>1642657
I really want this. I was fortunate to stumble upon a now defunct(I think) mini comicon in Asheville where every table was an artist. Some made fanmerch, but many were indie brands either pushing their own comics (both fan and originals), were industry artists, or made their own brand of accessories around a niche (a steampunk leatherworker, for example).

No. 1643131

>>1642657
NTA about selling doujins, but I've also noticed how crazy convention tables have become. Artists are expected to compete with professional manufacturers in terms of merch now. Few people just sell prints. Unpopular opinion, but enamel pins are so shitty to sell. Close to half have some defect, the costs to manufacture are so high, and creating a design that sells is a crapshoot. I can't wait until enamel pin trend dies.

Books are my favorite thing to buy in AA, but I'm an artist. People who shop at AA have different tastes.

No. 1643165

>Only reason I havent offed myself is art
>Still nowhere near as good to enjoy what I draw
Anyone else feels like this? When I am not drawing I am stressing out about it and I don't know what to do.

No. 1643279

>>1643165
Keep drawing

No. 1643319

>>1643279
The only correct answer

No. 1643602

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>skills you develop in fanndom can lead to full-time careers.
This is not gonna end well for them.

No. 1643609

>>1643602
I guess it depends, I did learn coding (which gave me my first work), 3D modelling and editing from scratch because the series I like are so niche I always have to prepare my own food kek

No. 1643610

>>1643602
I saw a gif maker say she works for Netflix in her bio on Tumblr, but I forgot her url

No. 1643614

>>1643602
She's not entirely wrong though. Getting in fandom can lead you to other creative pursuits the caveat being that you also have to hone your skills and explore other things. But people have 100% gotten comic cover gigs because they've done marvel or DC fan art, it happens.

No. 1643615

>>1643602
I think you can actually.fandom autism can lead to new opportunities since I learnt more skills making art for my obsession( pixel art,3d modeling and animation) I've gotten some pretty nice priced comms from it too. But it depends if you focus on learning and not repeating the mistakes in the show.besides isn't this taught in every art school tho? Have 3 ideal master artists to copy from? Fandoms are run on artists anyways

No. 1643624

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>>1642707
Well, yes and no. Full disclosure - it was the fucking Genshin fandom, for starters. I did manage to start anew with a fresh account but this was mostly because my art style changes often enough that I could even still interact with my old mutuals. However, this could be an issue for you as you stated that yours is pretty recognisable. I ended up losing interest in the game and its fandom anyway, and the only remnant I have left is a single rarepair that I'm super enthusuastic about that no one else in the entire fandom gives two shits about, so I'm over allat… as for you… it's really your decision, but I would agree with the anons who said to just turn off comments and steamroll ahead. It's tough, and it requires thick skin, but once you've reached a certain threshold I think you'll be able to own it like so many unfairly semi-cancelled artists eventually do.

No. 1643715

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Is it possible to reach this level of mastery as a self-taught artist?

No. 1643718

>>1643715
It's probably one of the easier things to learn as long as you pick up on composition and learn to use nice brush packs. I've seen people learn to paint like this within a year from nothing, but I dunno if they just had a natural eye for it or not.

No. 1643724

>>1643715
There's this misconception from lay people that realistic painting like this is the hardest thing to do. The closer a painting is to the real thing, the less thinking the artist had to do. Yes, you can learn how to paint like this if you master the fundamentals.

No. 1643726

>>1643715
IIRC this artist is self-taught.

No. 1643729

>>1643715
This entirely depends on what your definition of “self-taught” is but IMO talking to an instructor and receiving feedback and tips is very helpful compared to doing things on your own. Looking at his portfolio I really doubt he got to that level without taking a few recreational art classes, plenty of museums and art organizations host them

No. 1643732

>>1643602
She's not lying. If you've ever been a successful ~content creator~ for fandom, you've likely learned how to format and edit for web and mobile display, how to work fast, know how to stay on trend in terms of your ideas, how to interact with an audience to never get cancelled. All these skills can transfer to a creative career. Don't know if it's much help to someone studying biology though kek

No. 1643875

>>1643131
>enamel pins
Lord the amount of shitty anime pins I see on kickstarter by people who have zero design skills. Just coz they have the money doesn't mean they should produce those obviously traced pin designs. Also pin manu gatekeping drama is really funny sometimes.

No. 1643881

>>1642741
Nta but ty for this. Going to try and allow myself more freedom with the process because I feel so nailed down by this.

No. 1643890

>>1643715
Idk if Greg does this but a lot of these types of artists photobash and paint over 3d models

No. 1643901

Hypothetically, if a somewhat "famous" NSFW artist decided to jump ship and become a mainly SFW ("friendlier", mainstream) artist—by starting from zero again via deleting any traces of their NSFW past and focusing on SFW content—what are the chances of their current SFW audience finding about their shameful beginnings? (And how to avoid that).

No. 1643902

>>1643901
Look at everything that destinytomoon did every time she jumped ship to escape the KF accusations and do the opposite kek

No. 1643906

>>1643901
Depends. What was the kind of NSFW you drew? Typical NSFW wont get you called out, but lolisho or anything problematic will.

No. 1643932

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>>1643614
>>1643615
>>1643732
but she isn't an artist, she's a fan-fic writer/pro-stan(someone who is terminally online and spends their days trying to uncover the personal life of various artists, as well as defend them from randos on the internet)

No. 1643936

>>1643901
If you keep drawing with the same style… I won't say they are going to find you but at least say "your art reminds me of x's art"

No. 1643989

>>1642707
I get what you mean, I cant get over the stress of having someone recognized my arts and traced back to my past works. Here's my solution for you: You can choose to jump to a platform with less traffic, or if you're still on twitter (X now, the fuck Elon?), mass block all of your previous followers and former friends. If you're already ESL and/or willing to speak foreign language other than English, use it to your advantage. I don't know how unique your art style is, although you can use this as an opportunity to step out of your comfort zone, try something new.
Best of luck nonna!

No. 1644015

>>1643875
>gatekeeping
Pins are hard enough to get into, I doubt many get back what they’re buying for but what’s most annoying is artists who won’t say where they got their other merch made. It’s just pencil holders or small things like that. I doubt telling someone else will tank their own sales. Is the big secret China? Everyone already knows about that.

No. 1644021

>>1643901
I don’t know but a friend recommended the anime Princess Connect (I can’t recall if that’s right) and the main character in episode one looks exactly like a loli type character (like ones you see in defense of loli) and I was pretty uncomfortable watching it. I didn’t look to see if the character designer did that work but it felt like that. Maybe he didn’t but if your designs aren’t hinting at your NSFW past then you’ll be fine. I know in Japan a lot of artists have NSFW characters they make and can put into sanitized anime but I don’t suggest trying that in America.

No. 1644085

>>1644021
why do you watch anime if loli/flat characters make you this uncomfortable?

No. 1644119

>>1644085
NTA but a loli and a flat characters aren't the same thing and not all anime has sexualized lolis

No. 1644120

>>1644119
she's watching an anime obviously made with the intention of getting scrotes to dump their money into gacha/figurines/merch of the waifus, not jojo. what did she expect?

No. 1644144

>>1643932
Honestly I had no idea who she was anon lol

No. 1644158

File: 1690323601657.jpg (538.28 KB, 923x1330, shutup.jpg)

Beyond tired of seeing artists with massive followings (in this case 166k) piss and cry over "low interactions".
Of course she deleted the first tweet after like… 2 people called her out on it.

No. 1644182

>>1643901
Didn't Arvalis (aka the realistic Pokemon artist who worked on Detective Pikachu) used to draw porn? As long as it's not creepy fetish art and the style is different enough, I don't think a lot of people will care.

No. 1644190

>>1644120
she said
>a friend recommended the anime
maybe she didn't really expect anything or knows the target demographic for everything she watches chill anon lol
>>1644158
this is so annoying i remember following some instagram artist and all their stories where crying about not getting enough likes, or shares or growth in followers, i ended up unfollowing them but sometimes i wonder if that helps with the algorithm somehow

No. 1644211

>>1644190
>maybe she didn't really expect anything or knows the target demographic for everything she watches chill anon lol
c'mon it literally has a catgirl with big tits as protagonist, anon cant be that naive

No. 1644274

File: 1690330232136.png (601.38 KB, 1920x1091, 39910_-_SoyBooru.png)

>>1644158
is it just me or is it always the coomtard artists who do this kind of retarded narcissist shit. I haven't seen one sfw artist cry about their low follower count this hard and most of them always have less followers. Im guessing its just the fact that most porn artists are simply mentally ill most of the time. wouldn't be shocked if that were the case.

No. 1644279

>>1644274
nona what the fuck is that image

No. 1644287

File: 1690330791219.png (183.56 KB, 325x328, icon.png)

>>1644279
i just like posting random images i find, kek.

No. 1644315

>>1644211
Anon you’re talking about here. I got into anime in the late 80’s and 90’s. Loli characters were pretty rare, at least what I watched. Small chested characters were joked about but they weren’t sexualized like a lot of designs are today. Anime was big for me in my youth going to about the early 00’s and from there I stopped trying to keep up with each season. So for Princess Connect I had no idea about it and decided to watch the first episode on a friend’s recommendation because she cosplays. I was disappointed and haven’t watched the rest of the series.

No. 1644317

>>1643131
> Close to half have some defect, the costs to manufacture are so high, and creating a design that sells is a crapshoot. I can't wait until enamel pin trend dies.
That's why I like the acrylic and wood pins better for fanmerch. The price for one 2" the enamel pin die alone could get you a small set of acrylics or woods with multiple designs in the same size. I've seen the printed steel pins. I like them in concept but not in execution just yet. If I were going to invest in another enamel pin die, it would sure as hell not be for fanmerch unless I had a license.

>>1644015
The gatekeeping came from a fear that the same manu would be overwhelmed and the quality would go down if people swamped them. They never just counted on the factory to turn people away when overwhelmed, or that some will prioritize a huge Disney/Universal order with the better artisans, leaving the trainees to work on the 100 pin run of the recently Kickstarted sailor moon 3dgy girl meme mashup pin #204940940.

>>1643602
My professor taught us this. At least with a fandom we love, we're creating something instead of not creating at all. No matter what subject you make, you need to push yourself or you won't get anywhere with a portfolio full of polished turds. Though given >>1643932 this revelation, this ice person sounds like a dunning kruger sufferer trying to cope within their comfort zone.

>>1644158
A lot of them got into coom just for the (perceived) easy attention. They should be happy their half bodies in the void get any traction.

>>1644182
NTA but he wouldn't be the first hired-by-Pokemon artist to do so.

No. 1644319

File: 1690333227836.jpg (3.59 MB, 2166x3278, 15451947518_3bfcc0525d_o.jpg)

>>1639758
this is sweet. i love the sexy textural brushwork. reminds me of bob peak! i would recommend a rake brush, hatching brushes, maybe some texture blur brushes, chalk, and a lot of noise/scuffed gritty texture brushes or overlays. also a paper texture probably.

No. 1644370

>>1644274
I draw some male nsfw once in a while an I have like 300 followers. I don't give a fuck. As long as I get clients I don't care about getting a following

No. 1644385

File: 1690337454183.jpg (56.57 KB, 422x427, Fm7vDVHacAcjH8A.jpg)

do any nonnas have tips or resources for proportions? i feel like everything i draw looks fine until i get to the end then i notice all these anatomy errors

No. 1644409

>>1644319
NTAYRT but can you rec a good free rake brush? I’ve tried a bunch but they never feel right, maybe I need to adjust the properties more.

No. 1644939

>>1643932
You could've clarified it in the post retard. But the point still stands about fandoms being career makers

No. 1644965

Are any of you going to try misskey? It seems like a lot of asian artists are moving there and I've seen some english speakers make accounts, but I don't think they'll stick around. It feels like english speaking spaces are too focused on gaining popularity by drawing whatever is currently trending, there's no way a small platform will satisfy them when they don't care about building a community.

No. 1644974

>>1644274
Because coomtards are under the impression that NSFW is easy peasy money and/or attention. Unless they're Mike Incel and Telegenerate, the chances of making it big as a coom artist is pretty low if you have no talent. Plus, the market is extremely saturated anyway.

No. 1645061

File: 1690376546156.jpeg (713.87 KB, 1170x1596, IMG_9426.jpeg)

I’m sure you grouches will find a reason to hate on it but I actually love this lmao

No. 1645065

>>1645061
I hate it, its a sign this porn is a coombrained and is most likely a TIF.

No. 1645080

>>1645065
>most likely
kek just look at the twitter one

No. 1645115

>>1645061
The zipper tits are out of place but the rest is ok I guess

No. 1645131

File: 1690383998127.jpg (51.23 KB, 736x715, 1646694748421-3.jpg)

Nonnas, do you have any advice on how not to feel pigeonholed when it comes to your art account? I have some followers on mine, which I'm grateful for, and I just upload fanart time to time for fun, but I feel like people only expect me to post about one topic only instead of multiple subjects I like to draw beyond the scope of one specific series.

No. 1645161

>>1645131
Just post what you want, you can’t control the demands of your followers only your output. So decide if you are drawing for yourself or your fans? If for yourself, post whatever and feel validated that you drew something fun for yourself. If for fans, post things that draw them in and get that audience interaction validation. Unless it’s how you make your money? In which case lean in hard and never post anything that isn’t related to your art.

No. 1645165

>>1645131
Are you drawing for yourself or for your fanbase?

It's the question that got me out of my own pigeonhole. I used to have that problem a lot- I primarily post fanart and I even managed to get a pretty decent following, but everyone only wanted to see the fanart I drew for this one specific game and fuck the rest. OCs, even art for other series, they all got ignored by my fanbase. That was when I figured they weren't following me because they liked my art but because I was little more than one more fanart machine for them to consume from. After that I just started to draw exclusively for myself and stopped caring about what my followers think.

No. 1645200

File: 1690389837577.jpg (4.35 KB, 250x201, download.jpg)

i dunno if this should go in the finances thread or this since its art related but how do you all manage taxes? i received quite a big commission and now i need to pay taxes? i live in third world country so the taxes arent that much but i really dont know how finances work in the art field since im a hobbyist can someone fill me how to manage art financing? someone recommended me to make a freelancer certificate just to be safe

No. 1645267

File: 1690393981784.png (988.11 KB, 663x1010, gth56rtfhr54.PNG)

Sorry to bring Kooleen up again, but people are so close to realizing that she's just a bad anime-style artist and that's why she fails at depicting different features properly

No. 1645299

>>1645267
Jfc, it looks like some lame anime version of RG, but wtf does the commenter mean about stripping their features? It's like if its a style you hate, suddenly it's racist or homophobic or some shit. Can't change a color by a hexadecimal and you can't draw in your own character-type proportions. I'm honestly completely tired of the online art community as a whole.

No. 1645302

>>1645299
At this point people are just making up stuff to make Kooleen seem worse than she is. After all, it feels better to say you dislike someone because that person is an awful person or an awful artist, and not because you just dislike them and that's it.

Plus I highly doubt those people complaining about Kooleen "erasing features" are able to perfectly reproduce said features on their own art.

No. 1645309

>>1645302
My thing isn't even that they want to make her seem worse or that they can't replicate. I'm just annoyed by people not allowed to have their own designs because it doesn't already look like art that someone personally aesthetically likes instead. It's just making themselves mad for the sake of it like Christians getting mad at red cups.

No. 1645322

>>1645161
>>1645165
Thank you for your insights! I solely draw as a hobbyist, I'll try my best to just do whatever, I just don't like the feeling of disappointing others which is why I think of this in the first place, lol

No. 1645330

>>1645322
I mean, they're not paying you so basically you don't owe them anything. Just do your thing and be happy. I feel like many hobbyist artists nowadays end up feeling trapped and/or controlled by their fanbase, that they need to draw what the fans want, when…that's only applicable if they're actually paying you for it. If not then just be free.

No. 1645354

Nonnas, I might be actually stupid. I've been trying to render from the sketch instead of doing lineart but I just can't do it.
Watched dozens of videos, hell someone showed me in person. Still can't grasp how people do it and it makes me so sad, it looks so pretty and satisfying.

No. 1645368

>>1645354
What do you have the most problems with?

No. 1645432

>>1645368
I think I'm freezing up because it's something I'm not used to. I know what I'm supposed to do and I should have the skill for it, it's just once i merge those layers my knowledge goes out the window.

No. 1645470

>>1645354
here's my process:
>lineart
> Color in a new layer under the lineart
>hair, eyes, skin, etc all in separate layers because it's easier for me.
>Clip the line layer and color it just a tad darker than the base color.
> Start rendering in the color layer.
> Once it looks good, merge all together. Mind you, the line layer should corresponds with the color, so you get a line+color hair layer, line+color eye layer, etc.
>Keep rendering until it's done

No. 1645480

>>1645354
i know we live in the era of instant gratification, especially when it comes to art, but there's nothing more important than practice; the rendering technique requires more skill than just doing it the old fashioned way of lineart so you just gotta keep trying and trying until you find a way to make it work. it will be tedious, it will take time. be patient, make sure you've got your fundamentals covered, and don't give up!

No. 1645497

>>1644385
"Figure Drawing for All It's Worth" by Loomis.

No. 1645498

>>1645061
i thimk its cute…no problems here.

No. 1645551

>>1644965
After learning for the first time years ago, I stopped signing up for whatever is proclaimed as the "next big thing" because absolutely not a single time has it stayed in the public consciousness for longer then 2 months. So unless it's still growing at 6 months, I'm not bothering.

No. 1645562

>>1645200
You can start by getting the freelance certificate which is easier for you to sign up wire transfer accounts like Wise or Payoneer. As for taxes and tax returns, there's always finance consultant agency you can look in your city or province.
If you draw on Patreon there's a supply of agents and finance consultants provided by Patreon, I got mine via recommendation although it does require you a bit of trial and errors until you find a compatible one. Good luck nona!

No. 1645612

>>1645061
>I'm gonna draw yaoi of my social media OCs, that'll show musk
Yeah it sure will…

No. 1645614

File: 1690414285990.jpg (747.54 KB, 1080x1513, Screenshot_20230726-163051_Chr…)

Was last thread's op californian or is it just a coincidence that the piece is this year's pageant of the master's theme

No. 1645855

>>1645267
wtf are those ears dear lord

No. 1645869

>>1645061
why'd they make twitter look like a bum

No. 1645870

>>1645869
at this point i'm convinced the average twitter user is probably one extra debt away from becoming a bum

No. 1645890

>>1645061
tifs draw the ugliest males possible. how am i supposed to schlick to a gross rick sanchez looking slob that looks like he smells of piss? disgusting

No. 1645894

>>1645267
that's so petty, that's just stylization. She did a favor to gosling.

No. 1645901

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No. 1645904

>>1645901

laughing at the fact that the cocky asshat who wrote this probably can't draw a fraction of what kooleen does

No. 1645906

>>1645901
At this point I'm just thinking…who the fuck cares? Like who cares that some random internet artist can't draw a perfect 1:1 replica of realistic human ethnic features with an art style that's clearly stylized? Kooleen is garbage but at this point I'm just lost at what she did to deserve this shit.

No. 1645907

>>1645904
kooleen can't draw lol

No. 1645917

>>1645901
These people are so tiresome.

No. 1645938

>>1645904
>can't draw a fraction of what kooleen does
oh please, now we treat kpop/bl manhwa bitches like the best artists of our generation? get a better taste and stop defending that mediocre and talentless pick me.

No. 1645953

>>1645901
Some people do look like gorillas tho. I don’t mean that in a racist way either.

No. 1645991

>>1645267
ngl it isn't that people are "realizing" she is a bad artist, it is that they smell blood in the water and are on the attack like sharks.

They don't really care how good or bad of an artist she is they just want the power and clout that comes with shitting on someone lmao. They're just parroting some random BS, especially when they're talking about how her tutorials will stunt beginner artists as if she is some bonified or proko level teacher and not just someone giving tips on how she does stuff.

These same people wouldn't be able to replicate a fraction of what she is able to do and regularly attack artists that DO make really good tutorials because "what if it's my art style" and "this is so mean let beginner artists do what they want." like how Manga Essentials/Sensei got attacked some time ago over telling beginners to avoid chicken scratch lines.

No. 1645992

>>1645904
They're obnoxious but weren't you all shit-talking Kooleen earlier in this thread? The enemy of your enemy is not always a friend lol. The bitch is style locked and not a very good artist, it's as simple as that. If she was Western you'd consider her another Rcdart.

No. 1645995

>>1645991
It feels like one of the major arguments against Koolean was the fact she produced art tutorials that taught poor technique and concepts, and that art should by taught by higher level artists. However, paradoxically, in reaction to this, people are using this as an opportunity to plug their own knowledge, work, redraws and tutorials despite not having any more or less skill than she does. I was on board for the Koolean hate because I find her art style obnoxious and derivative, and I don't like her attitude, but this sudden backlash feels like yet another attempt by mediocre artists to punch downwards in an attempt to make themselves feel better. It's just getting so pathetic to constantly see artists dogpiling artists just to get engagement on their own work. If I was an artist and my most popular post was me making fun of another artist I would just kill myself.

No. 1646092

>>1645995
In a similar boat. I've personally never liked Koolean's personality or style of "teaching", but I know there are a market of people who do so I just don't bother with her content.

But you're right the backlash is just an attempt by mediocre artists to punch down, across, sideways or however you want to put it. They know their art won't get any attention unless they are dunking on another artist for a perceived gap in skill.

If you notice, confident artists or at least those not desperate for a modicum of attention, regardless of their technical skill never do this shit.

No. 1646242

Some nonnas were saying the koolen thing was gonna be forgotten quickly, but now there's more peoplem making hot takes and decent sized youtubers making commentary videos, so I don't think people will forget it.
I think Koolen's case is different from a lot of artists that get suddenly cancelled, because koolen's entire brand was about being sassy and mean, calling other people's art shit and acting like she knew better than everybody, which makes her more "cancellable" and people will have more bad blood about her.

No. 1646246

File: 1690472259713.jpg (21.23 KB, 324x270, 1690451613133237.jpg)

How do I achieve this traditional marker-colored look on digital

No. 1646267

File: 1690474085087.png (1.02 MB, 842x714, kimi.png)

I knew Sakimi had fucked up anatomy since she started going more coomer but what is this?

No. 1646273

>>1646267
I don't see the problem, can you elaborate?

No. 1646278

File: 1690474467536.jpeg (37.89 KB, 373x346, Web capture_27-7-2023_12165_lo…)

>>1646273
NTA but cmon nonnie, you dont even need redlines to see this shit kek.

No. 1646280

File: 1690474634894.jpeg (158.02 KB, 2048x1024, 7F1DCC4B-FB07-4B5E-93CA-03A0EF…)

I miss it when art anons came here to post milk or ask for genuine advice. I can't bring myself to give a fuck about art youtuber number #5720958294 please kindly move the fuck on

No. 1646298

>>1646267
It looks as if someone just traced over an anime girl 3d model.

No. 1646300

>>1646246
Hmm, maybe bluring colors while coloring would help.

No. 1646301

>>1646246
Maybe you could try using a textured layer underneath your color layer to simulate paper grit. Using a custom brushset that mimics traditional ballpoint pen could help with the linework too. Good luck!

No. 1646302

>>1646246
Use a brush with multiply and opacity with watercolour edge and use a textured overlay or background. Or a marker brush if you can find one.

No. 1646305

>>1646242
What rubs me the wrong way with that logic is that at the end of the day the roast vids are something people personally agree to. Don't get me wrong I don't like those kind of videos, they're not funny or constructive but I think it's kind of dumb when people bring it up as evidence as to why she's a horrible person.

No. 1646350

>>1645614
The painting is by John Singer Sargent. Not sure why they couldn't have chosen a living artist's painting for that since Laguna Beach has a lot of good painters.

No. 1646361

>>1645901
and you all dogpilled me when i said they were jealous crabs. It's funny because the ''sassy mean'' persona is okay as long a gay moid does it, once a woman does it its ''bullying''.

No. 1646363

>>1646361
It reminds me of a discussion I saw here earlier. That bullying cishet degen males is useless because they just don't care, so weak gendies, gays and women just turn on each other because it's far easier to be cocky, sassy and mean against that group.

No. 1646506

>>1646298
Probably because that's what it is

No. 1646553

>>1646361
You can stop slurping on Kooleen's pussy. We get it, you love her and her kpop art is the bestest art ever. No one can criticize her because no one can be better than her, even if she calls non-kpop people gorillas and gives off wrong advice. Ohh Kooleen I'm so jealous of your 20 minute doodle with wonky anatomy and symbol drawing! How will I ever reach your level!

No. 1646584

Nonas, has anyone here ever subscribed to those monthly artboxes? If yes is it worth it? I've thought about subbing to one but the idea that I might get a shitty box and waste my money on it keeps me from giving it a try.

No. 1646632

>>1646305
The issue is that when you see most roasting videos it's really really obvious that a lot of people that submit their art are teens that are submitting either for their senpai artist's attention or in hopes of youtube clout. Not only does this give people the "she's bullying minors!!!!!" argument, but if you think of what other nonnas are saying about trendchasing 14 year old bad artists cancelling better artists for clout, then roast videos are possibly cultivating a fanbase of exactly that type of person.
I don't think she's horrible, but her sassy demeanor puts her in a bit of a glass house situation.

Speaking of roast videos, I hadn't realized it but Angel Ganev had a year long hiatus. IIRC his videos were literally just the male version of koolen he was also unfunny. I know that people have more bias against sassy mean woman than agains sassy mean (gay?) guy, but I wonder if Ganev would had gotten some negative attention out of the koolen stuff if he kept making roast videos.

No. 1646655

>>1646267
I made a mention of it last thread, but there's been a major shift in their art. It's more cartoony. My BF and I have tinfoiled she's putting her own stuff through something like Stable Diffusion and training it on her own work. She's an artist to begin with, so all she'd need to do it edit the photos for the before/after things.

No. 1646667

>>1646655
(we don't care that you have a bf, js.)

No. 1646696

>>1645131
That’s just how it is sometimes. Draw what you like. You may lose some people if they’re not interested in the topic/series, but you’ll probably gain some who are.

No. 1646784

File: 1690505780546.jpg (19.6 KB, 300x300, 1689819176840102.jpg)

>>1646553
had to stop midway because this is too cringe inducing, you better be 12yo otherwise you should take off time from the internet and rethink your life

No. 1646895

File: 1690512071269.jpeg (2.56 MB, 3852x3847, IMG_5026.jpeg)

Sorry for the shitty collage but @DONDRRR recently got accused of SA.

No. 1646896

>>1646895
Forgot to attach link
https://youtu.be/S5lfscbPnnY(learn2embed)

No. 1646915

>>1646895
>2k subs
who is this?

No. 1646997

>>1645953
Some people look like horses too. They used to call white people horse face because they were usually long and Asians were pan faced because they’re wider than tall. I used to watch Terrace House and it made me laugh because they called one guy a monkey and the other had droopy eyes so they pulled their eyes down to look like him. It wouldn’t fly in the US but there are racial differences and it’s ok to draw them if someone has them. People are too scared and end up with symbol drawing so they’re not harassed.

No. 1647002

>>1646584
I’ve only seen Waffles do it and the few times I’ve looked at the companies she reviewed they had the previous months available. Might be worth checking out and getting one box.

No. 1647039

>>1646915
fnf-pedo not surprising

No. 1647076

>>1646895
I don't know any of these people.its sad tho what happened to her

No. 1647107

>>1646280
even the advice being asked is so /beg/. It's probably just summer.

>>1646895
Him and males like telepurte. Glad there's more evidence to distrust big coomer twitter accounts. I'm sorry this happened to her. Males cannot be trusted with popularity.

No. 1647118

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No. 1647144

>>1647118
I didn't recognize who this dude were until I scrolled further to find his old profile name and photo ('Dreamingg' with buff Kingdom hearts Riku profile as a joke). We're not mutual but he does follow and interacts with my arts from time to time. Good that I never returned the gesture, his manners reminded me too much of Newgrounds artists with edgy humors, they also have no sense of boundaries when it comes to interacting with women.

No. 1647145

>>1646895
Wow Supermega handled that kinda poorly

No. 1647146

>>1647118
he was a notorious coomer like telepurte who cried publicly about not having a girlfriend so it doesn't surprise me he's a degenerate. That said updog is hard to feel sorry for, she's a massive pickme who always gravitates around ugly eceleb boys and is pal with plenty of shota/loli artists

No. 1647165

>>1646784
I'm cringe because I repeat what you do and say in simpler terms? You worship this Kooleen artist and get mad at people criticizing her or saying her art is shit. Maybe you should get over the fact that your idol's art isn't that good and start getting better taste.

No. 1647192

File: 1690539475803.jpeg (611.24 KB, 1239x1244, IMG_1374.jpeg)

Something this Kooleen saga taught me that it literally doesn’t matter how good your art is as long as you’re a good entertainer you’re going to get attention online.

>>1645267
The responses are so unoriginal just repetitions of “omg how do you whitewash a white personality”. Are Westerners so afraid of stylising now.

No. 1647209

>>1633057
I think of you every night, nonny

No. 1647211

>>1646896
You can embed videos anon

>>1646915
3.2K subs now

>>1647146
I still feel kind of bad for her but fuck, it's a circle of coomers and degenerates girl. It was only a question of when this would happen, not if.

No. 1647233

>>1646784
Want to be on your side because I'm tired of talking about it but you are the most Kooleen obsessed person in the thread. Her art is mediocre at best, it's not that serious, but you will just never stop painting her as some kind of martyr for female artists and that's funny.

No. 1647241

>>1647146
I really don't want to blame updo it's still horrifying what happened to her but you're right when you're surrounded by coombrained men they are going to be desperate for women so you should be careful before becoming a nlog.

No. 1647257

>>1647241
>>1647211
In the video she mentions something similar already happened when she was 17 with a 21 year old bf so honestly I think it's less ignorant NLOG and more an unfortunate case of someone who doesn't know what healthy relationships are like. Even more so when she mentions her home situation wasn't great.

No. 1647322

>>1644965
I signed up and I'll get into it over time just so that I can share my art within fandom and get more practice reading conversational Japanese. I enjoy myself on Pixiv and JP Twitter, so I'm sure I'll like Misskey.

No. 1647327

>>1647192
Off topic but I hate how at least during the last decade or so in western media so many male lead actors sold as handsome to women are either average, weird-looking or ugly, I can understand why fanartists would make him prettier. And that cartoony version is such a bad caricature, I wouldn't recognize Ryan Gosling at all if I didn't know it was him. He has completely different facial proportions.

No. 1647427

>>1647118
Dumbass males pretend like ""rough""" sex is something normal because they think porn is real. Also hate how blowjobs are treated like kissing now. Oh, it's the third date, suck my unwashed dick now. Of course, it's not reciprocated for her. I know none of his followers will see anything wrong with his behavior.

No. 1647503

>>1647118
Even in his own statement he sounds fucked in the head, first the "she said no but I kept asking her until she said yes" and then pushing her head when she asked not to be rough. It should be mandatory for dudes like him to give a rough blowjob before being allowed to ask for it.

No. 1647635

>>1647503
Also very telling how he doesn't talk about the trauma he caused but "whatever trauma she may feel" and then goes on to describe how he didn't see the breakup coming at all. Do moids really

No. 1647663

>>1646584
I think they're overpriced. I usually get the stuff cheaper in my country (even with shipping) and I'm also afraid of shitty boxes. You may time your order with art events throughout the year (Inktober, Watercolor Month) to maybe get an event-themed box. As the other nona said, maybe get an old box to try. There are a few YouTubers left who review all kinds of art boxes if you need more visuals.

No. 1647696

>>1647635
nta, I’m partners with someone close to Don and was told his friend literally had to talk to him and explain things to him like a fucking child because he didn’t understand what he did was wrong. Like.. christ… How hard is the concept of consent to grasp to these idiots?

No. 1647725

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I know this sounds stupid but does anyone notice some artstyles have this gender-ey feel to them? I don’t mean necessarily bad art (picrel is pretty skilled) but you know the woman who drew it is some kind of theythemie at least? A lot of TiFs do try imitating Amano for example. On the other extreme I’ve seen some copy Robert Crumb.

No. 1647802

>>1647696
nta but wow, I'm not surprised ngl. What else did your partner told you, without revealing too much about neither of you two's identity.

I'm just sad to see anons reacted to updo's confession "you're in a coomers friendgroup, what did you expect" kind of mentality is why a lot of SA victims refused to speak out, and led to moids to assume consent by default ~coercing is fine~
Most geeky workspace these days are male-dominated and you either the decorative woman that knows how to play along, or be singled out and be a feminazi bitch, there's no in between for them. Super Mega treated this like most HR would do to cover up creeps because they don't want a predator reputation attached to their brand. Even if the victim speaks out, the most she gets is sympathies from her female colleagues but no one would want to stick out their necks for her and get blacklisted.
I've seen too much of these cases in the indie game scene, not going to lie. Several cases where I warned my female colleagues about the red flags they decided to hook up with. For them to ignore my call and a few months later they posted about being kicked out by their former partner, and "not noticing the abusive behaviors sooner". I can't tell if they're stupid on purpose or just needs serious help on their toxic relationship pattern.

No. 1647850

>>1647802
I can’t say much sadly, that and it’s been radio silent since Don was confronted about it (Don didn’t even contradict Lex’s claims to them but still released that piss poor non-apology on twitter). My partner says Don has that mentality of being clueless but never imagined it was this bad. If I hear anything else that’s important, I’ll post it though.

No. 1647861

Anons I suck at shoulder and arm placement. As in when you're turning someone to the side or sometimes 2/3 view, especially over head views with the neck muscle placements. I'm back to practicing one minute sketches of anatomy poses but is there some other material that can help me? Also where should I look for more perspective angles like looking up someone's leg vs a camera overhead? those poses are some of my favorite in drawings.

No. 1647888

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>>1647861
Memorize how the humerus works within the clavicle and scapula. Everything becomes much easier once you understand the skeleton.

No. 1647918

>>1647725
I love her work, but it’s only obvious that she’s a TiF because all of her subjects have titchop scars that look like stars or laurels or flowers or something. It’s even in your example. If not for that, it’d just be regular bishie yaoi art from a regular woman.

No. 1647922

>>1647725
>robert crumb
i saw one get posted in the bad art thread (or maybe it was the bad comics thread) are there more examples? if there are, please post them nonny!

No. 1647953

>>1647850
if I understood her video correctly (she showed a censored picture briefly that I think was him) he's the type "super immature fat boy who can't do social interactions and has anger issues " I looked at his art on Twitter out of curiosity and it looks like the art of somebody who really liked Pokemon, it's mostly a mix of childish and cooomer and then sometimes you also suddenly get really disturbing gore (if you aren't logged in on of the first pics a very gross pic of a girl getting her face eaten by a dude from 2022)

No. 1647964

>>1647725
the telltale sign for me as always been eyes/lips/noses in a semirealistic style but too big for the face

No. 1647972

>>1647725
yes, I noticed that but haven't analyzed what it is exactly. But you can usually definitely tell when somebody is a gendie or turning into one. There's one exception I can think of, I couldn't tell from Nicolas Delort's art (whose work I really enjoy) that the artist is a TiF, in retrospect maybe it's only the focus on Fantasy and "ethereal beings".

No. 1647992

>>1647725
That comes partly from FF14. That game attracts a lot of people who are obsessed with jockying for social interaction, which makes it prime a prime watering hole for BPDs and sociopaths to fuck with people, collect orbiters and destroy friend groups. There's really nothing to do in the game besides drama and gossip.
It's a piss easy game, built for workaholic japanese dudes to get some feeling of success after they get home from work. Most of it is basically single player and you can still complete 95% of the game while just being shit and carried by other people.

A few of the models in the game have that kind of facial style - female roegadyns in particular, as well as a few of the major male NPCs like Emet Selch - and that gets transplanted into the art as a kind of gender-blurring nuButch ideal.

Another thing you see a lot are what I've seen called "shovelchins", drawn almost exclusively on male characters. This is more commonly from people who get horny over male Au Ra and also bleeds over into some D&D shit. I don't save that crap so I don't have an example.

No. 1647994

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Kooleen posted an apology on istagram.

No. 1648017

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>>1647994
It’s not an half-bad apology but using selective language like that never ends well, lmao. She’s about to get cooked by annoying ass mfs on Twitter and as an unapologetic Kooleen hater I am happy to bust out the popcorn and watch the show.

No. 1648029

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>>1647725
The one exception to this that I've seen has been Miro Haverinen.

No. 1648044

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>>1647725
Alternatively there's clockable tim art styles. They're trying to be like every down to earth girl but failing to see things without their weeb coomer lenses. Picrel isn't a tim afaik but it's that same vibe kek.

>>1647427
>>1647503
>>1647696
They know they're not allowed to. Most men just think women's opinions hold no bearings to their wants. A woman will say yes if you wear her down and that's all that matters.

No. 1648054

>>1647146
Screenshots of telepurte’s incel meltdown? I remember blocking him years ago so he couldn’t appear on my feed since all of his animations just oozed Reddit sadbiy virgin energy.

No. 1648055

>>1648044
I've seen TiMs with this art style even (not just similar content), tbh with trans males it often feels like they can't be fucked to put much effort in their art while the females work hard and care about pleasing their audience. The males post shitty art, are more narcissistic and are definitely more coomer-brained and sex-obsessed without realizing it's still peak male brained behavior even if their porn addiction turned them into an autogynephile or they're just a masochist with a sissy fetish.

No. 1648074

>>1647994
lol she's right the haters won't care. i think the asian artists who just completely disengage from tantrum throwing us kiddies do it right tbh, they just aim to waste your time anyway.

No. 1648085

>>1647725
an artist I like has a realistic style and a good grasp of anatomy and clearly likes drawing bodies instead of just doing constant headshot. She also doesn't use common tif mortifs like religious imagery and Greco-roman elements. She doesn't take any influence from anime or kpop in her art. She doesn't make the characters goblincore gremlins, she doesn't make the characters refer to memes and such. Her ship art is two characters doing something romantic maybe a little sensual she doesn't give them a billion microsexuality labels. She doesn't even headcanon them with new genders or anything.

I genuinely thought she was a regular fujo who was only interested in american geek media, who had been studying old art and who hadn't been super involved in fandom since her fan/shipart avoided all the typical fan/shipart tropes, so it was sureprising when I went trough her blog and learned she was a tif maybe she is an oldschool transsexual thats why her art doesn't feel like gendie art? but if I recall she was supportive of the alphabet soup and genocide-fearmongered
tbh I have reached the point where I assume that every female fanartist i see is some flavour of gendie. It was easier to tell 5 years ago but now every nerdy women is non-binary. At least gendies are putting effort into their art now but it's sad you cant be a woman with stereotypical male interests anymore

No. 1648162

>>1643131
>>1643875
I felt the same for ita bags imo. I don’t get why anyone would want an ugly, poorly made out of cheap materials bag shaped like a shiba inu or monokuma or some fandom shit. I don’t dislike ita bags or novelty shaped bags as a concept but the poorly designed ones are such a waste of money for the buyers and artists.

No. 1648256

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>>1647725
>>1648085
Maybe I don’t see it just because I like some of these motifs and happen to have friends with similar inspirations without being tifs? Some of us just like bifauxnen characters, it’s not always a sign of pronouns.

No. 1648261

>>1648256
What you posted doesn't fit the mould. There's no narrow eyes with deep eyeliner, and no super dark lips. Think more like if Yoshitaka Amano was fused with Ayami Kojima, then imagine that person as a fujo.

No. 1648267

>>1648256
aryt i like those motifs too but almost every tifs uses them. Its rare to see tifs making art thats the yaoi equivalent of old romance novel covers. Not every woman who uses religious imagery is a tif but almost every tif uses religious imagery, and when they don't they make the character say "sonic says trans rights"

No. 1648276

>>1647994
I stated it before, but I always thought her channel was some kind of parody of tutorial channels. Was it not that obvious to people?

No. 1648290

>>1648029
The game has a TiM in it.

No. 1648410

>>1648290
Who's a necrophile if I remember correctly, kek

No. 1648463

>>1648256
Current artists also have more accessibility to finding media online with artstyles they like compared to anyone that grew up in the 2000s, back then you needed a word doc of Japanese vocab go browse pixiv or you were stuck browsing sparkle furries and big nosed hetalia fanart on DA. Now if they like amano it’s easy to find similar stuff like belladonna of sadness, aquirax uno, etc. I think the accessibility definitely influences what younger artists make now because their is a lot of good stuff unfortunately mixed with gender crisis

No. 1648465

>>1648463
Wow sorry this reads like ass. I don’t know why I wrote like this.

No. 1648470

>>1648463
reads fine to me, nona

No. 1648558

>>1648256
OT but where is picrel from?

No. 1648566

>>1648558
Oniisama E

No. 1648588

How do you make an art schedule? I want to dedicate myself to art and start tackling my weak points (everything kek), but I am struggling to develop an efficient schedule. I truly hate how non-linear and difficult art is as a skill.

No. 1648605

>>1648588
>Break your work up into blocks of time. Between 15m and 50m, depending on your energy levels.
>After 1 block, take a 5-15m break.
>IMPORTANT: Swap to a different workpiece for the next time block
>keep doing this, rotating between 3-6 different artpieces

This keeps you from fatiguing. Built up fatigue = burnout. If you autismo hyperfocus and grind you will inevitably fuck up your posture, start to move slower, forget to pee or get a drink unless it gets bad, and be both less productive and more likely to fuck your wrist or mood up.

Also make at least 1 day for resting. An easy one is to figure out what day you were born on, and make the rest day the day immediately before that. So if you were born on a monday, it would be sunday.

No. 1648607

>>1648588
is it just me or is this the same anon that asks for advice every other day? the same one that doesn't wanna sage or google anything?

No. 1648745

>>1640058
I thought the hair was a helmet at first kek

No. 1648751

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>kooleen gets cancelled for teaching anatomy 'wrong' over some anime profiles
>meanwhile every single anatomy video from a male

No. 1648758

>>1643602
This is hilarious because the cases I know of fandom spawned artists are usually authors who made terrible books that got turned into terrible movies or created unnecessary drama. Like "50 shades of gray" being a twilight fanfiction, or the ABO lawsuits.

No. 1648770

>>1647327
You're so right about this, I said I find Timothee Chamlanatyao or whatever his last name is ugly and some people lost their mind over that. He's a disgusting ratman with unnaturally exaggerated features, ofcourse he's ugly. Tom Holland is ugly as well and I'm tired of people finding him cute. He looks like a child.

No. 1648774

>>1648770
>tom holland looks like a child
he doesnt look like a child, men nowadays already look like 30yo balding coomers by the time they hit 18

No. 1648778

>>1648774
I don't know, to me he looks too youthful

No. 1648783

>>1648778
you are the reason we have ugly men shilled as attractive

No. 1648851

>>1648751
Twitter girls dont usually try to cancel men.

No. 1648889

>>1648607
Probably. Kek benefit of the doubt she's having the same issue she has with sitting down and concentrating studying then refusing to google shit. Or maybe a beginner yet to absorb "just draw" mentality. It's been smelling like ic here recently.

No. 1648895

>>1648889
I draw everyday, I just want to study be more efficient.

No. 1648896

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>>1648751
LOL. I'm inclined to painting and inking is awful but there's just something about artists who just refuse to get confident with line drawing.
>>1648895
There is no single solution to your issue. Everyone develops their own methods to tackling art. Anons already gave good responses. You either have to be more specific or you just have to sit down do it like all of us had to do and continue to do.

No. 1648898

>>1648896
I built a schedule like anon said and i am going to stick to it just finished doing today's study and i was gonna thank her

No. 1648899

>>1648751
Every time I feel like my lines are a bunch of chicken scratches I see shit like this and feel like I have never lifted a pencil up from a paper in my life.

No. 1648905

>>1648054
no it's don who made those kind of posts.

No. 1648906

>>1648783
Nta but he looks very bland, I'm not going to force myself to like someone I find ugly, and that's pretty much all moids to me.

No. 1649050

>>1647192
>it literally doesn’t matter how good your art is as long as you’re a good entertainer you’re going to get attention online.
100% true, artists are entertainers. Whiny bitches who dump their personal BS on social media are only gonna end up as nobodies unless it's insane enough to be milk, or controversial enough to get them traction for THAT, not their art. People who had their brains melted by art school into corporate drones also have disproportionately low followings, because their art is too safe, boring, and familiar in a bad way. This still applies if their art is technically alright or even decent in terms of skills, because they use those skills to either bring nothing to the table or the price of entry is dealing with someone's public trauma dumping or other bullshit.

If you ever look at the art from the various people who orbit RJ Palmer's hot takes, it's almost all those types. The latter get insanely neurotic about competition or people copying them, even in ways that are acceptable like "I like how you color" or "cool pose reference", because they make their most of their living from the WORST kinds of clients: Those who only want product, not entertainment, and will happily dump that artist when they can find someone else that's cheaper for similar output.

No. 1649386

>>1648889
i'll admit my mistake and concede on the saging shit, but i just feel like asking the same handful of questions over and over again is kind of repetitive and it would be nice to have some variety, if nothing else.

No. 1649394

>>1649050
>People who had their brains melted by art school into corporate drones also have disproportionately low followings, because their art is too safe, boring, and familiar in a bad way.
Agree. A lot of the popular artists are often also interesting personalities whether through their art or other means. They know how to express themselves in a way that's eye catching even if their art isn't technically perfect while those corporate drones are stuck obsessing over killing their creativity with perfecting fundamentals and pandering to clients who aren't interested in the uniqueness of their work.

No. 1649437

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Not super interesting so I'm sageing.
The korean bjd company Cocoriang is putting up a suit against some other bjd company outlined in these posts. They just posted these recently explaining everything. Only they didnt get the reception they wanted from their english speaking followers so they closed the comments and are hunkering down on their story. I didnt manage to get the screenshots before they closed the comments but apparently people were saying the designer that left was a founding member of the company and the wife of the other founding member. They divorced and she left with her designs and started her own company selling the designs. She got them licensed to her company.

No. 1649442

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>>1649437
Follow up after the backlash. Sorry for the shitty quality. I can only assume the article they attached is a recording of her time and stance while working at the company

No. 1649484

>>1646584
I've only seen waffles review them, (well also a few vids from really small creators) like the other anon said and to me they only seem worth it if you actually plan on keeping the subscription long term. They give you enough supplies typically to make a work using only what you receive with a very loose correlation (usually medium related). But the supplies themselves aren't enough to be complete sets. The art box waffles gets has like one or two supplies of the same type, she might get an inking pen, and two alchohol markers and then a sample sized amount of paper to work with. The boxes are basically just samplings and as you accrue more supplies you may be able to complete sets. Overall seems worthless to me, and it probably is just cheaper to buy the supplies by themselves instead. Its honestly mostly novelty.

No. 1649589

>>1642132
I've come to realize this about webcomics as well but I really want to make one and have it posted out in the world in some way. The thing I'm wondering is whether I could both post it on public hosting sites and sell physical copies of it without investing a shit ton of money into doing so because I dont have that. And if I did sell physical copies would anyone be willing to buy them if they could just read the shit online for free. I'd add additional material to the physical copies and try to make them worth buying but with how people just look to the internet for entertainment and me having no fanbase I dont think it would be worth it. I guess most of all I just want someone to be interested in my work and appreciate it in some form.

No. 1649617

>>1649050
>This still applies if their art is technically alright or even decent in terms of skills, because they use those skills to either bring nothing to the table
i vaguely remember a thread on reddit or wherever where the artist had painted a photo-realistic bar of soap, complete with convincing reflections in the suds. he was complaining that he barely got any traction for it on social media. while it was technically very well done, it was impossible to get excited about because, well, it's just a picture about a fucking bar of soap.

No. 1649833

>>1649589
It's too soon to worry about that anon. Focus on making and posting it first and maybe it'll get you a following. To fund prints you can always just make a kickstarter or do pre-orders.

No. 1649864

>>1649589
most webcomic videos are done by sour grapes types, anona. People who failed to make a decent comic. Don't take everything they say as a rule, just make your comic

No. 1649912

>>1649864
I watched the vid and they gave away detailed explanations on eht webtoon as a platform is bad. In the end they still say it's viable for specific type of business strategies (patreon and/or porn). It's easy to see the vid as bitter and they are. Webtoon held off giving them a mere 50 usd worth of ad revenue, stalling them before they swapped with tipping system so they didn't have to pay them. But also they genuinely got a lucky break or two with a comic that got featured for a month long on front page and it still wasn't worth it for them. I'm surprised by how business minded they approached it too.

No. 1649914

>>1649589
>>1649864
But personally I would suggest doing webcomics as a passion project but don't expect exponential growth out of nowhere. It's still fun even grindy as it is.

No. 1649972

>>1649912

Almost every webcomic creator I've seen post on webtoons and talks about it on YouTube becomes obsessed with the idea of getting 'featured' and all the granular, arbitrary metrics of their shitty little website they can't even customize, it gets so fucking boring and whiney. They all go into this thinking they'll strike gold and then 90% of the time they don't unless theyre making a certain kind of genre.
These two women may be right about the way webtoon works, but they also quit their jobs to see if webtoon would be a viable way to make a living and now they're sitting on their parents couch making 3 and 4 hour videos about Lore Olympus and Let's Play like it's their job to talk shit about other shitty popular webcomics. So I wouldn't call how they approached this 'business minded', exactly.

Slight blog but Speaking as someone who has a webcomic that isn’t on webtoon or tapas, but enjoys casually making it on the side, it is so fucking freeing to not have any of that social media gamification crap shit up a thing i love doing. The trap people constantly fall into is thinking they'll make bank if they tell a story that's popular and pretty enough to feed webtoon's dumb audience.

No. 1649994

>>1649972
I understand, I was sceptical of them as well. For one, they're very self aware. The genres they made first was made to try to cover as much ground as they could (they did romance because that's the most popular one, action when webtoon tried to steer to have more shounen titles, and mystery/horror because it's one of the less dominated genres. Additionally the horror title was thebone that caught on because webtoon featured it a ton during October). They mention webtoon isn't viable also because the korean titles they feature are most likely produced by actual studios which is closer to a business (writing what formula is guaranteed to work) than an individual writing out of desire to communicate a message. Shueisha also came in the competition with their digitized shounen jump releases which they think is way better than most webtoons, even the professional ones. They admit they're two losers shit talking about popular (and bad) titles. Not to mention they both got well paying jobs which allowed them to do webcomics on the side. Though not too sure if they completely quit them to do webtoon. Their vid was genuinely insightful even for someone not pursuing to be picked up by webtoon, I'd list nore but I'm forgettin some details. Ironically they say the low quality vids they shoot from their couch did so much better than webtoon. Despite their small youtube channel they got 300 usd per month, still not a lot, but more than the 90 hour for 50 usd that webtoon never gave.

Also genuinely good for you nonny! I also do webcomics and just post them on various sites. I've given up on popularity but tbh I'd still want a loyal readerbase who connects with my works, kek. The thing is webtoon (and even social media to an extent) is trying to get free or cheap content from young artists who don't know better and have the freetime. Honestly what's popular and pretty is what sells, but even then there's a slim chance to be the minority that makes money.

No. 1650092

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>>1647118
>>1646895
He made a new post realizing the first one is shit, it's no anything better but whatever.
>even if it's just twice
As if he's asking mommy for a new toy, kek.

No. 1650191

>>1650092
Can someone give us a TL:DR from all these long winded posts of his?

No. 1650213

>>1650191
His posts are a big nothing burger so there’s not really any point in translating it if you haven’t already watched Lex’s video. He still doesn’t get that he did anything wrong or he’s being willfully obtuse. This non-apology is even worse than his first attempt.

No. 1650217

>>1650213
I meant what the whole discourse it about, but I guess I'll play her video in the background.

No. 1650281

>>1646895
of course he did. Has anyone seen his art and the other cumbrains he hangs out with? I wish people would stop giving these men the benefit of the doubt when they're essentially shouting their future predation from the rooftops. In a perfect world everyone would avoid these people, but I had friends who'd refer to themselves as feminist who hung out with him. Disgusting and enraging. I feel so bad for lex.

No. 1650310

>>1650092
Disgusting human behavior, "i-it's not my intention to hurt her I had no idea she felt that way!!", textbook abusive language if not a coddled moid who's so used to assume every female around him must be obligated to suck his unwashed dick. This is even worse than his first apology, I can only wish the current attention is geared towards Lex to support her instead.
Don, if you're reading, kill yourself! -Your former friend.

No. 1650333

>>1649994

>I've given up on popularity but tbh I'd still want a loyal readerbase who connects with my works, kek.


AYRT, honestly that's just my goal at this point too, and it's an easier one to reach. Absolutely no individual needs thousands of millions of subscribers, just 60 to 100 high quality ones invested in your story. Good luck to you I'm certain you'll get there!

No. 1650356

>>1649050
This reminds me of when a young artist I followed years ago got into one of the big US art schools and within a semester her art just seemed to have had lost any of the personal style she used to have. And she was already technically pretty good so it's not as if it came from improvement.

No. 1650357

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>>1647725
This style is usually always a they/them or tif.

No. 1650551

>>1650217
>>1650213
Also he claimed his oc wasn't based off her and some people are seeing it as an excuse so they can draw casette girl now.

No. 1650570

>>1649833
>>1649864
>>1649914
>>1649972
I'm the person you all replied to and I'm not really hoping to be super successful, I just want to get my stuff out there and hope someone likes it. I dont care too heavily about engagement and frankly I dont want to. I had a short lived art insta and closed it down due to the stress of posting for what little audience I had. I dont want to care as much about numbers but just know that someone saw and liked my work. It's upsetting that oldschool comic hosting sites like smackjeeves are gone bc frankly that's what I wanted to post on in the first place. Most of the webcomic platforms suck nowadays as they are more focused on getting views than user experience. I honestly find webtoons awful to navigate, I only considered it as an option bc theres so few options as there is.
And I have no huge interest in making a career off what I make, so the point in the vid about making shit all money off webtoons never mattered to me. I hate how predatory a lot of media enterprises are in the first place, they want to milk every dollar out of your creative passion by putting you through the wringer. Webtoons is no different. And making art that way is incredibly draining and soul sucking and not the reason many people want to make art. I just want to post my work to a place with a good community, and have others enjoy my work and enjoy others work as a reward. But it seems not such comic community like that exists. I also want physical copies of the work I created, not for money but just as a physical embodiment of my art, but as I said I dont really have money for that, and to get money I'd have to have an audience so I'd need to get my work out there. Honestly what that yt vid taught me is that while theres outlets for indie comic work, there no outlets for the community itself which is what is the most draining and unrewarding part of it all.

No. 1650605

>>1650570
That's very understandable nona. I know we can't share info in this thread but just know I'm rooting for you! And I hope you can print your comic someday! I also lament about not having much interest/support within my cliques too unlike years back (when I was flakier of a person and couldn't even imagine getting to page 20 lol).

No. 1650700

>>1650092
Not surprised that he’s lying in this statement. Cassette Girl is based off of Lex, he admitted so before. It’s not like people are going to want to keep using a character that’s now associated with the sexual predator but priorities I guess.

No. 1650733

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>>1650551
>>1650700
off-topic but cassete girl is such a boring oc, probably the worst oc alongside that ugly oni girl. It shows you can sell and make anything popular as long as its a cute girl because coomers. I fucking despise oc culture and how rampant it is in western art communities, the popular ocs are never well design or interesting they are just pretty girls coomers can jack off to. Outside of that ocs are so narcissistic, why they fuck should i care about your character that isnt attached to a story? i hate it and it's the thing i hate the most about western art communities.

No. 1650735

>>1650733
What's with all the band aids, does she have an inner ear problem that causes her to fall over a lot or something?

No. 1650744

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>>1650700
It doesn't look like Lex much tbh. She reminds me more of console-tan, which were made on /v/ where don started posting

No. 1650759

>>1650744
these are awful i cannot tell what they are supposed to be, leave the gekinja faggotry to japan and women, moids cannot into character design

No. 1650766

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>find artist with superb rendering skills
>its either the most boring thing you will ever see or the most degenerate
lmao why is it always like this?

No. 1650769

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>>1650733
I hate twitter oc fotms so much nona, you don't even know it ♥
>>1650766
Because rendering, anatomy is a part of illustration. But character design, "storytelling" is another. If your pic rel is a professional, there's a good chance they'd be hired for rendering rather than designing too.

No. 1650777

>>1650769
i love her and her little chicken

No. 1650780

>>1650766
This design is cool IMO. Not coomer degen bullshit or tryhard neon garbage like a lot of cyberpunk designs

No. 1650781

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>>1650769
honestly i think artstation has probably done more damage to art than calarts, what a waste of talent

No. 1650797

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Picrel is TB Choi, a character designer and part of her job is to direct this character's design and she includes very detailed notes correcting 3D model and animation. https://twitter.com/TB_Choi12/status/1635825381549969409
>>1650781
Like it or not rendering is also part of the job. I wouldn't be surprised if what your picrel is churning out for their job is even more soulless and boring than that. Personally I'd place the problem on just not having more female artists in the movie/games industry which causes things to look shitty and moidy. And then blame western animation to budgeting, devaluing of animation than calarts.

No. 1650800

>>1650797
i know its their job, but its still so sad how modern art looks and how in spite of their skill they cannot make anything that will stand the test of time like old painters. tbchois art is also very ugly, even though she is very skilled.

No. 1650803

>>1650800
Different time, different "purposes" of art. I get what you mean but also I'm glad art is slightly more viable and applicable to other mediums to be honest.

No. 1650804

>>1650800
Actually, if you're >>1650766 don't go looking around in a website for commercially driven illustrations and designs when you're looking for fine art, nona. Other than that, again I understand what you're saying.

No. 1650811

>>1650803
Even old art for games/movies tends to stand out more than modern art. Art nowadays is just overly safe and boring, i would take scuffed 90s art than ugly stuff like valorant/lol any day.
>>1650804
i know, i only checked his artstation because i came across his tutorials on youtube. It was extremely sad to see such a waste of talent.

No. 1650817

>>1650811
I personally disagree with that. I think a huge part of it is digital/analog art being definitely accessible, nothing's stopping a hobbyist 13 year old from posting donut steals on the same site these atelier graduated professionals host their portfolios. But I believe there's more inventive projects coming out as technology progresses, it's just 1% out of 99% shit. But I'm genuinely curious what you'd consider as standing out more, scuffed or otherwise.

No. 1650835

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>>1650817
my problem isnt with the 13yos but the school graduates who draw boring stuff. i am going to get called a weeb for this but i think japanese art tends to be more interesting because its mostly comprised by hobbist rather than people with art degrees trying to compete to get into the most soulless of art industries. Ofcourse you have to swift through a lake of garbage to find good stuff, but i have found several anime artists that make interesting stuff meanwhile most western modern art is so…ugly and devoid of soul, even though its more skilled. This girl makes really interesting surreal paintings, and its meguka fanart of all things. It just makes me sad to see these people on artstation with amazing skills wasting their talent drawing neon colored babyfaced girls with scraps of machinery attached to their bodies, or artists like tbchoi drawing in that incredibly harmless disney inspired artstyle that is such a bore. Call me a bitter asshole, but i wonder if they realize they will never leave a foot print in the art world? not like these animu artists will either, but most are hobbist doing it for fun, while these people work on the industry and are virtually indistinguishable from eachother. I like to collect artbooks and i dont think i have ever seen any of these guys get one, not that i would buy one anyways, but its so depressing. They have the skill to do stuff like old illustrators, and they waste it away on such garbage. Makes me sad.

No. 1650851

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>>1650835
From a weeb (anime inspired artist) to another, I dare you to browse the newest tab of pixiv. It's not so obvious now with all the AI and 3D shit but here's plenty of bland, soulless, unskilled artists even in Japan. Not to mention pixiv artworks also fall into cliches that are undeniably visually pleasing but some just take it to extremes without understanding the theory and it's obvious. You're being philosophical about the purpose of making art. Unfortunately it's pretty common for artists to mellow down on aspirations to not risk being jobless and or ruining their health to have time for both paid and personal projects. We're in the type of world where excelling at your passion just gets you more work you don't want because you finish it faster than the others, rather than giving you the opportunity to work on something you really want to. It's a privilege only few can afford. Though I thank the stars when they happen like Ikuko Itoh's baby, Princess Tutu. I'm so glad it didn't get super monetized and they bloated it to a 50 ep anime with bajillion toys to sell. Personally it's cute that you're passionate, keep that energy so you don't loose sight on things as many soulless artists who strictly only do it for income feel.
t. kind of one of them, who more or less given up being da best gaijin illustrator, but also I do a personal oc project on the side for funsies, definitely not something that will leave a foot print in this world when I'm gone lol.

No. 1650876

>>1650835
>i wonder if they realize they will never leave a foot print in the art world?
They don't care about "art world". It's just a normal corpo job, they want to get paid and go home.

No. 1650932

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I know looking for drama over just doing the art is probably bad but whenever I start learning a new art form I'm super nosey into what type of autists there are in the community or if any of the big creators are cows. I'm getting into 3D shit right now and I'm just itching to see the drama lol. I haven't come across any annoying TIFs yet like you'd see with digital/traditional art so there's that.

I'm really kind of spoiled with how much you could call "women drama" there is with the digital/traditional art community. Anons have said it already in these threads but men just don't get called out or call each other out for thing. Which sucks because I'd love to see coomer pedo moids get roasted over female artists being destroyed on Twitter for drawing a character slightly thinner than in canon. 3D anons basically just tell me what bullshit goes on.

No. 1651017

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>>1650835
I think these working artists draw plenty of interesting personal art, they just aren't posting it on their ~professional portfolios~ because it might be less than perfect or fanart.

However, if you venture outside the realm of corporate animation, you'll find plenty of illustrators doing their own thing. Check out working editorial illustrators and book illustrators, there are a huge variety of styles there. Picrel is by Victo Ngai.

No. 1651036

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most art courses and books are such a scam i am glad i can watch them without paying. marco bucci's course was alright until it came to the eyes why the fuck is his so deformed the reference is right there you fat retard. his looks so ugly compared to the elegant shape of the asaro head, i feel sorry for people who paid for this, what a scam

No. 1651050

>>1651036
A lot of teachers are really not that good. I've noticed this even for those who've been teaching for decades. I've seen wonky and disproportionate anatomy in some teaching materials from those boomer artists. It goes to show how most people don't notice these types of flaws in art and that a lot of the success of making a living from teaching art is just self-promotion rather than actual skill. I've noticed this trend at my local art school where they keep around some really mediocre boomer teachers instead of hiring the more talented recent grads.

No. 1651058

>>1649912
Sounds like they have a problem with the platform Webtoon, but not with the medium of webcomics in general. I agree with other nonas make the thing you want to make, but yeah obviously stay away from platforms that would screw you over. Webtoon refusing them $50 just sounds sad.

No. 1651077

>>1650570
If you want a place like Smackjeeves, look into ComicFury.
I'm going to make an online resource for artists wanting to share their work, but avoid algorithm junkies and corpo bullshit.

No. 1651122

>>1651077
>>1650570
I don't know about ComicFury. That place is filled with weirdo furries, eye-watering (troon) porn, and the art of the majority of comics there is mediocre to bad.

If I were to chime in, I'd say (probably) good Webtoon/Tapas alternatives would be: GlobalComix, Dillyhub, itch.io (yeah, there are lots of gendie shit there but I personally find it comfy), and INKR. Or you could make a site by scratch via WordPress or Tumblr—which offers a lot of webcomic themes.

No. 1651205

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>>1650811
>i would take scuffed 90s art than ugly stuff like valorant/lol any day.
I agree.

>>1650835
>its mostly comprised by hobbist rather than people with art degrees trying to compete to get into the most soulless of art industries

Artists hired for western media projects USED to be like that - if they were art school trained it wasn't "to be an industry drone" but more about how to kiss ass to get their art out there. Around 2007 is when everything in media started to fall apart and I'm not sure why.

Picrel is a more recent drawing by rk post (yes all lowercase), he used to do a lot of art for Magic The Gathering, RPG shit, and I think some videogame things. Still making soulful art, but either he's exceeded the need for a corpo shit job or nobody is hiring him anymore.

>>1650876
>They don't care about "art world". It's just a normal corpo job, they want to get paid and go home.
People who treat art like that have no justification for complaining about the lack of traction they get on their galleries and social media.

>>1651017
>I think these working artists draw plenty of interesting personal art, they just aren't posting it on their ~professional portfolios~ because it might be less than perfect or fanart.
I've seen some. They don't. They just entirely honed their skills to be "product" and end up in a cope spiral where they try to act like they are better than everyone because they get to eat the boot of a soulless megacorp that will replace them with someone from thailand or malaysia once the economics and aesthetic trends turn to make that profitable enough. Or someone using AI who doesn't take 8 hours to make 1 decent corpo-soulless image. Or they fire their illustrators and have the Graphic Designers work overtime to make corporate memphis trash when they don't have design work to do.

No. 1651255

>>1650733
such a based take. and not only is this oc boring but it's pedophilic too. She looks like an 11 year old girl.

No. 1651290

Lotta cope in this thread

No. 1651337

>>1650733

No one ever talks about OC art culture and I wished more people did. Some of the most mediocre shit gets pushed to the top and then bottom feeding artists try to draw the most popular oc for maximum clout. It's hilarious when it falls flat. Cassette girl is so plain.

No. 1651385

>>1651337
OC as in, completely original? or OC as in, a character made for a fandom? because if you ask me, they're both about as equally fucking terrible.

No. 1651457

>>1650766
Because they already have jobs and the shit they post is just stuff they do for fun/to relax. Most of them aren't here to make a statement or make the world a better place through their art, they're just horny dudes who are really good at painting. If the classic artists weren't restrained by the culture of their times they would be doing the same shit.

No. 1651465

>>1651457
i seriously doubt old masters would draw somethin as ugly as that. they had taste

No. 1651493

It's funny someone's accusing boring but skilled people of being the ones complaining about their social media reach (there's a good chance they're not for social media but for looking for a stable paying job) in the same thread talking about boring coomer oc designs being overrated.

No. 1651498

>>1651290
Lots of people speculating how the industry works too kek.

No. 1651638

>>1651457
I think the issue is more that it looks like they're not trying to have fun with their art on their own time. Like, sure. These kinds of people just do it as a job. But if all their work OUTSIDE the job is just more grinding for their job potential, then they are not any different from the hustle bros in substance.
You would think that someone's personal art shown in their portfolio would be showcasing a wide variety of skills, subjects, moods, etc. based on what they like to draw. The only thing I get out of most industry artist portfolios is "I draw/paint/render corporate slop," almost like they hate making art.

>>1651493
Independent artists are small, self-run businesses. "Stable paying jobs" don't exist in art for 99.99999% of artists. The only one I can even think of is being a studio lead or art director, but even you're always on thin ice and those get replaced as the winds change above.

No. 1651663

>>1651638
>I think the issue is more that it looks like they're not trying to have fun with their art on their own time
That's presumptuous. There's people enjoying, excelling and reinventing the industry probably right now but they work in such a specific niche that outsiders will never care to learn. There's conflating in this thread between concept art, pre-prod art, illustration, post-prod, fine art and even graphic design lol.

No. 1651713

Nonnies how do you cope when you feel like art burnout is coming again? Most of my hobbies are art related but I really don't want to anything art related it's too tiring but I need to finish my commissions how can I snap out of this?

No. 1651718

>>1651713
It's really good that you are catching the burnout signs, I'm proud of you. What helps me with burnout is general self care, making sure that I am getting enough sleep, enough food, generally caring for your flesh vessel. That, and establish a boundary where you stop work for the day and start relaxing. There's only so much good work you can do in one day. Use your down time to rest up for another day of good work.

No. 1651725

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>>1651638
Online portfolios on the sites where employers are going to look are not really a place to put your own personal art. From what I've been told you should only showcase the work that the job you're interested in is looking for. So, environment artist is not going to post their waifu doodles or whatever. Old work is also advised to be purged every once in a while.
The artists you are talking about are probably having their personal art showcased under different names or within their friend groups, or kept to themselves.
Maybe they are working the souless art jobs because they need the money? Maybe even for their own private art projects? Also it's better to both earn the money and hone your drawing skills at the same time. And for many living outside of US the money is going to be enough because of currency exchange.
As for your last point I don't really get what you mean. Yes, art is generally not well paid job by any means, but even in my shitty country there is a lot of opportunities? A LOT of shit needs some type of graphic design/art and there is a lot of niche fields that you can get in thanks to your art skills.
If you mean the typical dream job "drawing my OCs", "working on my dream game" that is rare. That's why people usually have those souless jobs you mentioned, to fund that sort of projects.

No. 1651727

>>1651713
get into non art related hobbies that allow you to be creative. I was burnt out of art for almost 6 months after working on commissions for an entire year to afford something important, i almost quit art thanks to that. Nowadays i do art only as a hobby, i am never taking comms again.

No. 1651742

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the mental gymnastics of this coomer, jesus. I dont understand why even have a FAQ section to answer how you are totally not sexist for drawing women getting raped and how being into rape and violence is totally just like being homosexual. I am very desensitized to coomers and i normally dont care but the lack of self awareness is baffling.

No. 1651747

>>1651742
whose FAQ is this? I want to check his entire page

No. 1651753

>>1651747
thesabu dot com, i am 100% sure he's a disgusting tranny

No. 1651846

>>1651742
Again, why do these male retards admit to their perversions. Same with the pedo guy who draws the animations. It's like they're signaling to other men to gather an army of coomer defenders for any future backlash, because apparently the worse porn imaginable is ok if you just say it's your fetish (funny how this does not apply to any other media like books, tv, movies etc)

No. 1651849

>>1651337
The only OC I’m familiar with is Pepper and that’s because IFX featured him on the cover a few times with his original character. It’s very hard to get people invested in your own world without a story. The only other one I can think of is RossDraws and I don’t know if his artbook ever launched or not.

No. 1651854

>>1651846
It's so weird, I thought twitter users hated fetishization with the way they like to accuse people of that.

No. 1651859

>>1651753
144k followers on twitter and not a single callout, it's not fair

No. 1651860

>>1651713
I got a few new hobbies that allow me to be creative and still use my hands rather than something passive like gaming. Not bad if you want a break but it’s good to get up and move your body. Gardening, walking, taking a day trip are all good to get out of your head. I also suggest any needlework or cooking, even interior design. Something that you can play in will help you avoid burnout, apart from what other anons mentioned as well. Good luck!

No. 1651868

>>1651846
It's their hobby. They can't function without seeing sex daily or thinking about it. Men literally have no other hobbies greater than degeneracy.

No. 1651879

>>1651854
they only "hate" it when they can use that as an excuse to shame and witch hunt women. when it comes to males and especially males with pronouns any fetish is sacrosanct

No. 1651880

>>1651713
I cope by avoiding art entirely hoping it'll recharge my meter, but that makes me even more burnt out apparently because it makes me never want to return to it and I have to force myself to? I have to at work anyway but I'm talking about making art for myself at home. So… don't do that kek

No. 1651882

>>1648751
I wonder why males gaslit themselves into thinking they have super long legs and short torsos when even males taller than me will have their asses at my fucking knees. Not just because of the male tendency to wear ill-fitting pants either.

No. 1651923

>>1650766
>why is it always like this?
being good at drawing =\= being creative, genuinely incessantly creative people are actually very rare as such the endless flood of soulless no background blank face pretty/hot woman staring at the viewer art

No. 1651928

>>1651753
Scrotes never get called out for that shit, they only do for really minor bull that everyone forgets about in thirty seconds

No. 1652066

A lot of anons here seem to forget that historically art has never been an secure job where you can live off it comfortably. Most artists through the ages have struggled to get by, needed patrons to pay for their endeavors, or already had a sustainable income from family, nothing has changed in hundreds of years and it is unlikely it ever will.

No. 1652091

>>1652066
True, it's just easier to tell in current times because everyone is more connected than ever and old masters can't really talk about hating their jobs anymore, not to mention the countless failed artists that we will never know of

No. 1652094

>>1651879
>>1651859
Not to encourage cowtipping, but then if you see someone like this then why don't you just make your own callout instead of complaining that there's none.

No. 1652158

>>1651663
It's a problem that those people are a minority.

>>1651725
>you should only showcase the work that the job you're interested in is looking for
Then a lot of people are looking to do soulless, shitty work. This also contrasts with your other point, where if someone HAS a variety of skills, that means they SHOULD be appealing to anyone who wants anything they can do. You don't have to be just a "background artist" if someone likes how your concept art works, and if someone likes your landscapes you don't have to be hired to animate.

>Maybe they are working the souless art jobs because they need the money?

If you have skills as an artist then you don't need to be working soulless jobs. So many artists have such low fucking self-esteem I swear to god.
>As for your last point I don't really get what you mean.
It's not a "stable job." Any industry job for an artist is going to be subject to trends and cost-cutting more than many other highly skilled professions. Your best bet is actually cultivating an audience online, but you can't do that if all you post is slop to appeal to corporate suits who are only shopping around for a meat machine to print art for them. It also takes personal investment and work, but a lot of artists are so fucking lazy they can't even tag their shit properly and would rather pray to the algorithm gods to deliver views and job offers into their laps.

Also, if you live in a shitty country with low exchange rate value then it's even more retarded to be pining for a corporation to pay you a shitty rate when you can just work on your online presence and get people throwing more than that at you for direct commissions and other things.

>>1652066
Things actually have changed, since you can reach people well-outside your immediate area now and find an entire town's worth of people who like what you like to make, with dozens or even hundreds who are willing to pay you for it. It is literally more viable than ever for artists to be individual small businesses, and yet so many of them don't even respect their own profession to take seriously the need to keep accurate records for paying taxes on their work.

No. 1652184

>>1651742
why are femboy obsessed men always the worst of the worst? even the obvious women haters can't just be content with only making art of their precious femboys they still have to draw women being brutalized too.

No. 1652280

>>1651337
OC culture nowadays is so shit and it's sad because I love OCs and original stories in general. Nowadays people only draw OCs for clout or for self-indulging porn and most OCs nowadays are just "pretty girl (insert concept)". Don't get me wrong, I love designing girl characters and all, but it's just so tiring now how almost every OC I see is "(concept) anime girl" or random iterations of random girl this, random girl that and they never look interesting, just generically cute.

And man, OC-focused artists tend to be milky as shit. When I was younger I used to be in a circle of people on Twitter who drew OCs and other original content and almost once a week you'd see drama sparking because "x stole my design" or "y is copying my concept" or "z's design is offensive" and so on. So fucking tiring.

No. 1652427

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Tfw you don’t have rich parents or any financial help to go to art school full time to help hone skills needed in order to succeed.

Yes of course I know you don’t NEED art school but having time and expert mentors will of course give anyone aspiring professional artist a boost. I can’t help but feel envious of anyone who’s able to dedicated years of their life studying what they are passionate about. Meanwhile I’m going to school for something unrelated so I don’t end up starving on the streets. Sure I dedicate all my free time to studying art but I can’t help but wonder how life would be if I was just putting 100% of my effort in what I had always been wanting in life.

No. 1652433

>>1652427
felt this in my soul anon. I remember finding an artist around my age but he was way better. He had rich parents who let him go to art school and fully dedicate his time on it. I was orphaned, had to go to school for something "real" while also working two jobs. Of course my art isn't there fully there wasn't the same amount of time in my everyday if I didn't lose tons of sleep.

No. 1652446

>>1652427

>1 year at Gnomon

thats about $48,802

>2 and a half years at ArtCenter

48,044 USD x 2.5 is over 120k

>half a year at brainstorm

$700-$900 per class

christ did this person get some good scholarships or something?

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>>1652280
I see milky OC artist too but they're really the vocal minority, or maybe I'm just good at curating my circle. To me this stems more in hating uncreative moid artists and moid culture.

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>>1652427
I expected some nice render and good character design since it seems then paid quite a bunch and all I got is another newground artist bootleg …you can learn all of this for free..I'm pretty sure they got the job because of networking…not because of their..skills?.dw nonnie you can still learn art regardless if you can afford they're are resources for it out there if you just look for it although it'll require self discipline

No. 1652494

>>1652487
Not to be that guy but art schools are half networking half learning. Teachers who are already veterans in the industry would have no issue recommending some students from their classes. I could draw something like that and be servicable with background/props work.

No. 1652506

>>1651122
I suggested ComicFury because it's more like Smackjeeves: not focused on monetization and completely customizable. Everything you suggested outside of itch.io and Wordpress are closer to Webtoon, which was the issue in the first place.
Tumblr is a weird middle ground. I haven't seen a webcomic theme for it, but nice to know they exist.
I think nonas here put too much thought into who your neighbors are. You're going to find weirdo furries and troons on just about every art site there is.

No. 1652519

>>1652494
It's probably more like 75-80% networking.
You don't get into art school unless you either already know fundies to at least a passable intuitive degree, are rich as fuck, or are doing something fine artsy where it's more about being able to bullshit your portfolio.

No. 1652521

>>1652094
because no one is going to cancell him you retard, people have lost their patreon accounts for less but this retard is allowed to monetize his rape and violent drawings of women

No. 1652522

>>1652483
this guy oc is a tranny btw

No. 1652529

>>1652494
>I'm pretty sure they got the job because of networking…not because of their..skills?
It's a junior artist skill level in gamedev industry and he/she was hired by a smallish struggling studio. You don't need a very high skill level for entry-level job in a good studio either, thousands of simple assets need to be designed.
Yeah, those courses are waste of time, you can learn it for free.

No. 1652530

>>1652427
There are less expensive art schools but they're just not in the us

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>>1652522
self admittedly coombrained and transed from yuri too.

No. 1652540

>>1652537
they wish they could look like that

No. 1652560

>>1652537
vomit inducing coomtard art and shit music taste combo

No. 1652681

>>1652483
>basic hot topic outfit
>Kickass boots!!! Edgy shirt to scare jehova's witnesses!!! Bras are for pussies!!! Everyone wants her to be their girlfriend!!!

Moids are so easily entertained

No. 1652717

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Does anyone have any tips on how to manage hand pain whilst drawing, specifically using a screenless desk tablet? I can draw for maybe 15 minutes straight before my hand and forearm start to cramp up. Is it a matter of poor technique or should I stretch and take breaks more often? Most of the pain is located in the areas I circled, if anyone's had any issues with this area as well. It's been really difficult for me to draw for the past few years due to this pain, and I can usually cap out at around one 40 minute drawing session a week because of said pain. Fortunately, using my iPad in bed isn't so bad, but I don't like it as much as much as my desk setup. Thank you in advance for any help <3<3

No. 1652720

>>1652537
He has to know that he never even looked like the before in that cope comic kek. I don’t understand how these “people” aren’t killing themselves more often if they base their value on level of attractiveness and number of people willing to fuck their ugly asses.

No. 1652722

>>1652537
Lol death grips. Troons always have the worst tastes

No. 1652748

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>>1652717
You might want to look into something like this I didn’t use screenless tablets but I had the same problem til I got this. Yes it’s kinda overpriced for what it is but the wider ergonomic grip really helped my pain. Also how big is your drawing tablet Nonnie? I found upgrading to a bigger size helped me use my shoulder muscles more.

No. 1652773

>>1652487
>$150k to draw like this

Skip art school. You can learn everything online these days. Good mentors and teachers do help because they literally have better trained eyes than you, and can point out your mistakes. This accelerates the learning process. But you can slowly train your eyes yourself. My best improvements came after taking the time to really sit with the same drawing for weeks, looking for the mistakes, analyzing it like someone else drew it. Training your eyes to see is half the battle.

No. 1652785

>>1651742
god this must be the same retard who drew that alice liddel rape art, fuck this guy

No. 1652827

>>1652519
The whole weight on networking rather than skill was what turned me off permanently from pursuing an art or design career. I became an ergonomy researcher instead.

I don't know, it just never felt "right" or "fair" to me how people in art and design tend to get spots based on how good their networking is (or how good they are at kissing ass) instead of how skilled and creative they actually are. Back when I was in design college I'd see so many half-assed cocky students getting some pretty impressive spots at big name design agencies simply because a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend who plugged them in, and not because they were actually good designers (both hardskill and softskill wise) that got through the whole selective process. Meanwhile other students that were actually impressive designers and amazing to teamwork with had a much harder time finding jobs because they didn't have that level of networking and no one around them was willing to help them with it. It never directly affected me because I jumped branches as soon as I started to grow uncomfortable, but it did made me pretty bummed out for years.

The art and design industry only cares about your contacts and not if you're actually skilled, creative and a good teamworker I guess. And yes, I know networking is a valuable skill, but it just doesn't sit right with me how it can override almost everything else in art and design at times.

No. 1652832

>>1652537
Men think feeling empathy and liking pretty things means they are feminine. I hate coombrained idiots.

No. 1652833

>>1652785
Excuse me the what art?. I hate how normalised rape is these circles they are on par with incels

No. 1652837

>>1652833
I think it was Alice getting raped by her psychiatrist. Someone should cut this guy's internet

No. 1652845

>>1652827
The idea that the art field is some kind of meritocracy needs to die, honestly. I wish more people were aware because it kills me seeing young hopeful students think that it's their skill that gets them a job. A certain level of skill is required for certain positions, but it's all relative and like any job, it really comes down to some asshole deciding to give you a chance and let you in. It also pisses me off when men talk about this at all because they get preferential treatment and automatically let into a lot of jobs in the art world just because they're male. I've seen it happen so often. Men should not get to talk about how hard landing a job is period.

No. 1652847

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>>1652427
>>1652487
>>1652773
Looked up this person and aside from their paintings their art really isn’t bad? Not everybody can be a savant and there are far, far, worse artists who get consistent work in the industry. Seems more like jealousy at them having rich parents/a support net to put them through school.

No. 1652853

>>1652847
Yeah, those works are pretty clean and consistent which a lot of flashy/self taught/online illustrators don't actually have. The recent posts having misdirected criticism gives me the impression it's crabby and inexperienced nonas. Don't spend money you don't have to go to art school/online courses. You definitely can learn things else where. But if you have the time and resources I do recommend at least online courses. It's not just the lessons for the subject itself but also teaches plenty of eye opening things about the industry.

No. 1652858

>>1652845
What the fuck are you even on about? First of all I'm not male, and second of all I never said I wanted art and design to be some sort of meritocracy-only hellscape. The problem I see with the industry right now is that it's the reverse- there's almost no merit and almost all of it is through either nepotism or becoming buddy buddies with the right people which is why we often end up with people who have the artistic skill of a knob working on major media. Art isn't only skill indeed, hence why I mentioned networking and softskills ARE important, but come on. SOME skill should be necessary.

Why it is only art gets to have this "but think of the young hopeful artist with no skills whastoever!" card? If an artist wants to get in the industry they should have a minimum of skill, period. It's not "evil male talking about job", it's literally just how any regular job works.

No. 1652877

>>1652845

ah yes, having actual art skill is bad actually. if you have art skills and you want to be acknowledged profissionally for it then you must be some dirty meritocratic asshole.

seriously nona, coddling young artists and telling them they can be anything they want without putting in effort on bettering themselves as an artist and just rely on network plugs is just shit behavior.

No. 1652883

>>1652847
He's a concept artists, these are far more than acceptable for that type of work

No. 1652884

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>>1652748
NTA but whats your tablet resolution? I use a screenless wacom of this size in picrel for nearly a decade now, it's been working fine and I like to draw on it more in compared to my Ipad Pro, although recently I start to get intense shoulder cramps in my dominant side as well. Which size should I upgrade to?

>>1652717
Anon! You should consider getting a wrist-thumb bracer, look up keywords 'wrist thumb carpal tunnel brace' or find at your local medical supplies store. I've been wearing them when I'm sleeping or not using my dominant hand, it does help a lot after several comic deadlines crunch.

No. 1652890

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>>1652884
ideally 1:1 tablet drawing area to screen is but it’s not always feasible. Get one as big as you can considering your table/set up. consider buying some angled tablet stands too.

No. 1652900

>>1652847
That's the thing his art is just…mid(even more so because you expect some creative designs? Even on the official studios page the art is on a higher skill level)for a concept artist you'd expect more since they say they went to some good schools but I guess not everyone can be unique but even so his art is lack luster? It's just a preference.you can achieve this level of skill for free(his style and render ) without paying a penny and as someone who has went to artschool I'd say it's only good for getting your foot in the industry not really for developing your skills but you could do that nowadays bu reaching out to artists making a following. James gurney even said so himself that he taught himself more than a school could. I don't know why art schools are being so glorified they're just a cash grab

No. 1652929

>>1652900
NTA but if that's mid, what is your definition of a regular 'good' artist to you? Like it's not a style I care for but there's certainly nothing wrong with it.

No. 1652937

>>1652890
Thank you nona! I never thought of getting a angled tablet stand for screenless tablet. unfortunately I've tried finding one of these when I first got my ipad pro, and my search has been vain so far. I made my own stand our of cardboard boxes and they work.. okay at least. If you have any brand or name I can just buy off Aliexpress it'd help a lot.

No. 1652958

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It feels like I know of so many art/animation students with this same awkward face style

No. 1653059

I’m currently using a refurb cintiq 16 which works well but I’d like to upgrade to a bigger screen soon for ergonomics. Is the cintiq 24 pro worth it or should I try huion or xp pen? Please lmk your experience nonnas

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>>1652717
I feel you so hard, was going through that for a while. I second a wrist/thumb brace and a bigger screen if you’re able to invest in one. Another thing that helped me was doing light dumbbell wrist exercises. It seems counterintuitive and if it hurts a lot, stop, but it can help strengthen the muscles there. If nothing at all helps, please go to a doctor. They can give more suggestions or refer you for physical therapy and complete worst case, surgery. My dr also suggested picrel, which is technically for arthritis and isn’t for long-term use but it did help me for a little bit. You just have to be diligent in applying it.

No. 1653092

is nixeu also numy?

No. 1653119

>>1652858
Not what I said, at all. I'm agreeing with you for one. Get some fucking reading comprehension and stop trying to infight. >>1652877 You're both being retards.
>>1652847
This person's art is literally fine and all this complaining is a giant nothingburger. I miss when this thread had actual milk and not just jealous crabs and lurking /ic/ moids.

No. 1653126

>>1652877
>>1652858

Nice points but you two need to learn how to read

No. 1653148

>>1652717
1. Try to find a position you can put the tablet at that doesn’t cause pain. The traditional tablets are pretty lightweight so it shouldn’t be too hard to move around or put on an adjustable laptop stand to angle it. I don’t have a stand so I put a random Christmas gift box behind mine and it works.

2. Wrist strengthening exercises (see video)
This one also looks helpful: https://youtu.be/CjYdOaWhnTk

3. Buy a box of dixie cups, fill one with water and put it in the freezer. After it freezes you can peel the paper and rub the ice on your wrist. A seamstress with arthritis told me about this one.
https://www.crossfitalbuquerque.com/thoughtsrants/the-dixie-cup-rub-down/

4. If you wear a wrist brace don’t wear it while drawing. Wear it at nighttime.

No. 1653204

>>1653119
Agree, a lot of back seat driving. Holdong myself back from asking them to pyw.
>>1652937
Vid rel doesn't link where he got them but hopefully the name would help?

No. 1653234

>>1653092
Who? Provide screencaps you idiot

No. 1653262

Any traditional art nomas? What do you do and what medium is your favorite? I love oil pastels to an embarrassing degree, makes me feel like an impressionist painting in my Parisian cottage

No. 1653337

>>1653262
I love watercolor and pens, like just black. Or gold. Depends if I want shine. Too scared to use flakes as I feel I'd waste my money.

No. 1653356

>>1653337
As in gold flakes? They are generally easy to use and from my exp you get “more uses out of flakes than leaves” - but it really depends what you need the gold for and what surface. You just need to be careful with flakes to not have any windy stuff nearby!

But you could always use gold pigments and make your own super saturated gold paint!

No. 1653400

>>1653356
I've thought about looking into some illustrious watercolors and seeing about using those, but I'm so worried about ruining materials as money is a big issue for me. NicollesDreams made beautiful watercolors and she doesn't seem to sell them anymore.

No. 1653412

Does anyone have recommendations for artists or tutorials who draw a lot of full bodies or draw good legs? I usually draw referencing art I like, but I’ve realized most of those images are half bodies or cropped manga panels. I’m struggling to draw anything from the mid thigh down

No. 1653427

>>1652847
this line of thinking explain why 99% of modern western media is so incredible mediocre and ugly unless an oldschool artist from when you had to excell at drawing to work in the industry is working on it

No. 1653428

Stop referencing other artists for anatomy would be your first step, nonna. Especially if all they draw are half-bodies.

No. 1653432

>>1653427
You’ll be shocked to find out that the average employed industry artist in Japan and China is also averagely skilled and that they don’t all draw like >>1639758 who also works for western media companies.

No. 1653436

>>1652717
The ergo grips and other other stuff are mostly for very specific use cases, and scams outside those.

Learn to set yourself up properly, this anon gave a great starting point video: >>1653204


>Figure out what part of the tablet maps to the center of the drawing area on the screen, this will not be the middle of the tablet itself

>Set that spot so it's horizontally under where your arm is
>For the near/far distance, first angle the tablet - you need a separate book or tablet stand, tilting desk, or nigger rigged solution
>Then set this distance so that using your pen to touch the bottom of the tablet does not cause your elbow to cross the front-back midway point of your body, but isn't so far you have to extend or twist your shoulder to get extra reach.
>If you can't get both, increase the tablet steepness until you can

It goes without saying that you will also need your chair and desk height set properly for this to work.

When actually drawing, you primarily use the muscles of your shoulder and elbow, not your wrist. For small details, use your fingers - again, not your wrist. Zoom in/out to get better control in the other two areas.

Also you need to NOT squeeze your pen hard. It should be held so lightly that if you were to flick your arm up the pen would slip out. If you feel you have to press very hard, adjust your pen/brush settings so the maximum value is achieved with less pressure. It should be "J" shaped. Play around with it.

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>>1653432
>You’ll be shocked to find out that the average employed industry artist in Japan and China is also averagely skilled
that's a lie and you know it, the a average moeshit like pic rel has more skilled artists working on it than megacorporation western bullshit. We will never get a disney renaissance again because no one can animate like that anymore in the west. We are stuck with mediocre artists that can make mediocre things and people siding with them because ''muh style muh they only have to design characters(and suck on it)'' meanwhile someone like yoh yoshinari can animate, illustrate AND design characters.

No. 1653441

>>1653439
That's primarily because of two things.
The pipeline is different in eastern vs western productions. Various eastern studios (not just japanese, chinese and koreans do this as well) are the ones who are outsourced to by western companies, so there's always work to be done and the jobs are a little more stable.

Meanwhile, a lot of western studios are formed by bigger parent companies to give specific people jobs, and then either dissolved when no longer useful or there's just nothing to be done outside that one asshat's series/projects. It's a lot less consistent, and animators are rarely tied to the studio as they're only needed for part of the production. Much of western animation's gruntwork is still being outsourced to asia.

The seconf point is a difference in attitude - a lot of western studios are filled with worse nepotism than eastern because of there being far fewer actual PRODUCTION companies, so you have this big insular group of retards who've been controlling things.

Many animators go into the industry with the dream of making their pet project, but that rarely is the case. It takes a LOT of brownnosing and playing office politics to get to that point. I don't know why, but western animators seem much more bitter and resentful over this than eastern ones seem to be, and if you look at peoples' filmography you'll see a lot of eastern animators that have worked as a director or lead still end up doing work of less-responsibility/prestige on other series. This seems to be almost unheard of in the western sphere.

As goofy as a Vivziepop is, it really was funny seeing how many people were shitting on her purely because they were knee-deep in swallowing their bosses' boots while she just "cheated" by bypassing the whole hierarchy. I have never heard of such pettiness of that scale surrounding any japanse animators.

No. 1653442

>>1653400
if money is an issue watercolors are a great choice, as they last incredibly long since you only need very little paint at a time. If you want to use expensive etsy handmade stuff you can buy individual primaries, but personally I really like White Nights, which are professional but affordable because they're produced in east europe

No. 1653444

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>>1653439
a lot of mediocre trash is produced with mediocre artists in Japan. Go to any anime website and browse new and half the stuff is unwatchable and awkwardly drawn

No. 1653445

>>1653444
Still can't believe the live action Ace Attorney movie is better than the anime by far. How did that even happen? I guess Capcom doesn't give a shit?

No. 1653446

>>1653444
japan produces so much fucking anime that ofcourse the vast mayority of it are going to have a limited budget with limited animation, but you are still going to get at least 2-3 really good anime per season. You cant say the same about western animation were you luckily get one good, well animated show every 5 years. It took western animation 2 decades to finally get rid of that hideous disney/pixar doll style, meanwhile anime was mogging them with simple 2d animation with attractive designs. I would take a venture bros/primal over anime shit any day, but there isnt enough talent in the west and there is too much nepotism. In Japan the talent is there, but they often have limited budgets and are overworked, in the west they have bigger budgets are backed by big networks and still produce absolute crap.

No. 1653447

>>1653445
Live action spinoffs are really popular in japan, sometimes they do way better than the anime adaptations of manga

No. 1653449

>>1653446
Big budgets go towards money laundering lol

No. 1653451

>>1653446
Ok but the artists working on the shit anime aren’t all Yoh Yoshinari, even if you removed the insane time crunch. They’re just average. There is still talent in the west, but you’re right that there’s way too much nepotism. Besides western animations aren’t about the show itself, it’s about selling as much merch as possible. In the west you’d be lucky if a skilled artist was given both the connections and funding to direct a passion project but the chances of that happening are so slim.

No. 1653452

>>1653439
Neat! I can cherrypick too.

No. 1653453

>>1653445
I imagine it was just advertisement for the new games and rereleases at the time.

No. 1653454

>>1653449
nah, i remember zach, the guy who made smiling friends, talking about how the budget is often misused and how they managed to make the entire show under 1mill, while a single episode of family guy is 2mill. There isnt a love for art and animation in the west, it's sad but true. Unlike in Japan where they fight and work hard to eventually get their own shows(again, like yoshinari) in the west is just sucking up to the bosses until they give you your own show, even with your lack of talent. That's how we end up with monstrosities like Steven Universe that are backed by a big network, have unnecesary talent like nicki minaj/estelle wasting budget money and tell their untalented animators to do whatever they want because its ''muh style''.

No. 1653455

>>1653439
> We are stuck with mediocre artists that can make mediocre things
so are you putting yourself in this category too? go back to /ic/

No. 1653456

>>1653452
is that supposed to show anything? the animation is wonky but the shot is really ambitious, the hair is extremely detailed, and you can tell the animators were trying to do something new. Western animation is too scared to break the mold and try something new so you will never see this level of scuffed but genuine animation.

No. 1653459

>>1653454
Did you think I meant the money laundering was for the animators? Lol no, it's for the people making these thing to "spend X million" and mysteriously have a lot of it go missing into ill-defined marketing, consulting, etc black holes.

No. 1653462

>>1653451
>>1653446
Another issue in the west is that a lot of the shows tend to be "genreless". In the west, "cartoon" is a genre in and of itself whereas in Japan anime is treated like a medium. A more fair comparison would honestly be comparing movies to anime because they are more similar to each other compared to cartoons.

Even though a lot of anime can be described as average as best, cartoons have an issue where there is almost no diversity. Regardless of how average it is, anime almost always has some diversity as a medium. Horror, psychological, romance, shounen, shoujo, isekai, etc. take your pick. Cartoons tend to either be coming-of-age stories, slice-of-life, fantasy, comedy or adult. Action cartoons focused on superheroes (and in general) got phased out for a time in the west and/or don't receive nearly as much promotion as anything else.

Not to mention, a lot of cartoons are forced into the same-ish art style these days and even though anime can have severe same face syndrome, it is at least contained within the show itself. Animes can be produced by the same studio but look different from each other despite their similarities in animation style or quality. Western studios have the issue where different shows will oftentimes just look the same as one another.

No. 1653475

>>1653456
No, but I can tell someone unskilled and most likely didn't study as a storyboard artist works on Gohands. kek. I understand anime appeal too but I'm tired of you weebs.

No. 1653478

There's so much bland tier Isekai waifus baity fan service bullshit in anime, this has to be bait right?

No. 1653480

So many anons who have clearly never worked in a studio making wild assumptions and claims. No offense but a lot of this feels off topic, isn't there an animation thread for this?

No. 1653482

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https://twitter.com/sakugaone/status/1431645383785127938?s=20
Picrel is a western animator who had his impressive layout scrapped because of budget constraints.
>>1653455
>>1653478
honestly of all the sakuga clips to use, using a waifubait clip should have been telling enough.

No. 1653485

>>1653482
I don't feel like it's worth arguing with people who don't even understand how the animation industry works. Like Steven universe was animated in Korea lol. So many insane assertions

No. 1653488

Last for sharing an interesting vid. Less so much to pit western and eastern art but moreso to show it's apples and oranges even to the smallest detail.
>>1653485
Thanks making me feel less insane, nona.

No. 1653495

>>1653488
I don't want to accuse anons of anything but I find it suspicious that an anon pointing out how men get preferential treatment leads to more mediocre men getting hired was somehow controversial. It's quite literally objectively true in all facets of the entertainment industry. Anyway I don't want to harp on this anymore but no you're not crazy lol

No. 1653497

I feel like one point I feel the need to bring up is that 20 or so years ago there use to actually be mentorships within animation in the west. Nobody came in a master if they were entry level but there was a lot more dedication to training, even the prestige calarts alumni needed training… That's how it use to work. There are still some mentorships but if you don't hit the ground running in many cases they end up getting let go of not renewing your contract. It's an entirely different business model now. I feel like this could be said for a lot of jobs now though, they aren't willing to train anymore and then get mad when they can't find the perfect candidate.

No. 1653506

>>1653497
Offtopic. Are you in the industry, nona? How are you dealing with gendie shit or has it not infiltrated your workplace?

No. 1653513

>>1653506
Not currently moved to an adjacent creative industry (games). There's more tifs in animation that's for sure but there are also more tims in games. Honestly even in games when I seek out orgs for women you still get hit with gendie shit to some degree but in terms of work I've managed to dodge a lot of that shit just by virtue of being independent and job hopping.

No. 1653515

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Showing my age a bit but man,I really miss mid 2000s deviantart and smaller communities in general (compared to how everyone is on the internet now).
I haven't looked up sakimi chan in years, she really sold her soul didn't she? after reading some posts in this thread I definitely tinfoil too that she teaches the AI with her art to get stuff done faster.
sometimes I wonder what happened to all those great artists that were around in 2005-2006 ( hoon,idnar,pokefreak,druihd the girl who did spot on inuyasha fanart lol), dA was pretty comfy back then.
I'm nostalgic af right now. I need to go find my dvds from that period, had a lot of art saved.

No. 1653519

>>1653515
I feel you anon, I feel like there was a brief time.period where DeviantArt was just really fun. People always talk about the weird fetish shit on DeviantArt but when I was on there it was mostly just fanartists and some professionals. I'm also nostalgic for it

No. 1653530

>>1653513
godspeed!
>>1653515
>>1653519
It's hard not to think I just have dunning kruger when my art barely gets noticed nowadays but my dogshit mspaint art years ago got more comments compared to both of my current art and even beautiful artworks on twitter would get thousands of likes and no personal comments.

No. 1653544

>>1653515
I miss the deviantart community I was a part of. There was constant interaction and activity going on and people really seemed to genuinely enjoy commenting on each other's art and taking part in each other's ideas. People's OCs had actual stories rather than a list of genders and disorders, and there was just a lot more creativity going around and people doing art for fun. Haven't found that since and doubt I ever will.

No. 1653579

>>1652958
This face style is so ugly. It's like the inbetween of cartoons and anime. You have the round face and defined nose of western, but big eyes of anime (but drawn in a cartoony way)

It's like the result of weebs who think drawing a defined nose makes their style better than the moe artists who draw a line for the nose, ignoring that an anime face is stylized more consistently than whatever this is.

No. 1653598

>>1653447
Ace Attorney is a video game and given the atmosphere, the animations and the way everything is presented you'd think it'd work well in an anime and would look retarded in a live action adaptation. That's why I'm saying this.

No. 1653606

>>1653262
Just mechanical pencil because I'm basic and not very good

No. 1653613

>>1653412
just take your own pictures or have someone take a picture of you. I have a big mirror outside my closet doors so I use that and a cheap tripod.

No. 1653760

To me western animation started going to shit when it started to have cartoon quite obviously based off one or multiple anime because the director or main artist loved those anime as a child and wanted to add elements from it to their shitty cartoon. As soon as I watch an interview or read a tweet when the director says "oh! i really liked this one anime so i wanted t-" i already know the cartoon will be shit.

No. 1653840

Anyway does any of you have that infographic about a drawn cube and a sphere and then when you merge the ideas together you get a soft edged cube or something which represented a synthesis of a new idea? It was shared in ic.

No. 1653842

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>>1653840
Found it.

No. 1653913

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Is this a good art style?

No. 1653968


No. 1654051

>>1653913
No, messy rendering and atrocious anatomy.
Made me remember of an artist that made dress up flash games, she had a similar style

No. 1654060

>>1653913
I can smell the airbrush and burn shading, plus the arms are horrifically disproportionate and although being a fairly simple design theres way too much going on for me to even tell what the fuck is going on

No. 1654197

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Side account of @ofangie on Instagram

No. 1654217

>>1654197
I feel like I'm having a fucking stroke reading this.

No. 1654219

>>1654217
She’s basically saying since she isn’t truly “stereotypically feminine” she must be a man

No. 1654233

>>1654197
Wow, the self hatred is strong in this one. Calling being a woman a freaking disease and a monster. Really now! It's fucked up how just "not being feminine" is getting interpreted as "I must be a man." Are these types just forgetting that tomboys exist.

No. 1654244

>>1653515
I miss the old art memes from deviantart. Especially the ones with 2 different artists they were fun to read.

No. 1654253

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>>1654244
I loved the OC art memes so much, really good for art block

No. 1654274

>>1648783
On the contrary, I only find objectively good looking men attractive, and I hate the ugly shilled ones. But this is getting ot.

No. 1654281

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>>1653913
Same artist

No. 1654332

>>1654281
Are these self posts? Like, who cares why are you posting these?

No. 1654343

>>1654281
>>1653913
Nona/newfag take these to >>>/m/293069
or >>>/m/187240

No. 1654543

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>>1652717 anon here, thank you all for the advice! I honestly didn't expect so much useful discussion because I didn't think my sort of pain was all that common. Sorry if this gets pretty long, all of the replies were very helpful and has given me a lot to think about.

>>1652748
>>1653082
Picrel is my tablet, I wouldn't call it small (it's like 10inches wide, I believe?) but that's because I graduated from one of those small Wacom tablets, so anything's an upgrade. I've been thinking of investing in a bigger screen tablet for a long time now, preferably a Huion Kamvas 20 Pro, and it's nothing to do with money because I can very readily afford it, however my biggest issue would probably be setting it up / potential back issues. I have awful shrimp posture and shrimping over a screen tablet seems like it would worsen it.
>>1653148
Thank you for the video! It's actually a bit of coincidence that you'd recommend strength exercises, because I've been doing strength training recently because of recommendations made by my doctors because of my poor grip strength for my age. Thinking of it, that also might cause the pain whilst drawing.
>>1653436
This was also very helpful, and the part about pen grip was eye-opening, because I noticed now that I do press down fairly hard whilst drawing, but I never had a frame of reference for something like that. I've tried playing with pen pressure before, but my natural grip fit the usual pressure so well I never bothered changing it for long. I'm going to take your advice and work on my pen pressure and see if that helps at all! Thank you!!

No. 1654691

>>1654543
we have the same tablet, did your original cable also gave up on the first year or was mine faulty?

No. 1654817

>>1654691
Nta, but mine too!! Can't replace it because it's internal in the tablet.

No. 1655090

How the fuck can this be made with blender? it's literally as good as 2D.

No. 1655106

>>1655090
Look up any grease pencil tutorial, that tool is mindblowing honestly. And not that hard to learn at all! Sometimes I can't believe Blender is free with all amazing things it offers

No. 1655319

>>1651753
>all the femboy art is gay except maybe one image of a normal woman giving a femboy a handie
>the rest is bland straight shit and women being tortured

The artist is definitely a homo amab IRL, regardless of whether he has delusions of womanhood or not. The desire to see women abused to this kind of degree is usually a sign of male homosexuality and other mental unwellness.

No. 1655322

>>1655319
>The desire to see women abused to this kind of degree is usually a sign of male homosexuality
you are extremely wrong, it's the straightest shit ever. he's probably bi

No. 1655494

>>1655322
>>straightest shit ever
>>bi
??? He's most definitely a spicey straight at best

No. 1655568

All of y'all are wrong, he's just a creep suffering from some form of trauma.

No. 1655637

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>amab
>he's just bi
all of the speculating nonas are just try-hard catty and failed to come to a conclusion that he should not be near any women or children, let alone posting his arts online for all to see. Even if he's to put to jail, it would do nothing to his degenerate nature.

No. 1655695

Everything I draw always goes through a phase where it's extremely wonky first, as in tilted heads, uneven eyes, etc. and then I have to spend so much time fixing it. I've been drawing for many years and it's just something that I don't ever seem to improve on, it's my biggest hurdle and also one of the reasons why I'd be too self conscious to do art streams or record a speedpaint. It feels like I can't actually draw, I'm just good at making wonky sketches and correcting them until they look nice. Any advice on how to get better at drawing things right from the beginning? How does one actively work on that? This happens even if I use guidelines btw.

No. 1655698

>>1655568
hate this shit, not everyone who's been hurt is a shitbag like this. however, in the case of men, you may as well be correct.

No. 1655797

>>1655695
Sounds like you might need to improve your visual library, mainly your ability to translate the idea in your head onto a canvas once you have it; streamers in particular excel at this and so do speedpainters. Ofc it's entirely possible you're too bogged down by insecurities as well.

No. 1655806

>>1653439
>onimai
>"average"
This is such a lie and you know it, anon. The literal tranime has a very unusually high budget/production value.
Stop trying to dress up the Japanese anime scene as more than what it is. It's still QUALITY and dogshit abound, except now the stories they use don't even make it worth trying to watch. Goddamn I hate weebs

No. 1655872

>>1655322
I’m not the one to pearl clutch about homophobia against gay men but this is the most retarded take of my life. So your straight moids are perfect respectful gentlemen who never abuse women? An obsession with abusing and hurting women is statistically a straight man thing LMFAO. Retard

No. 1655905

>>1654691
>>1654817
I've had mine for a lil over a year and a half with no issues so far (besides the stupid driver), so that sucks you both had issues with Huion. ironically the only tablet I've had that broke was my wacom

No. 1655955

>>1655905
Mine is a Wacom, sorry, I saw the cord issue and had to add in that I have the issue too. Yeah, my Wacom's internal connector has been wonky since the first 3 months of having it. I still used it 2 years later, it's a very common issue that the port on Wacoms are shitty, so don't get your hopes up too much. It might eventually, otherwise good for you for getting one that isn't faulty. I have a WIPro specifically and these are so faulty a lot of the time, there's issues from a bunch of artists about them, but they are still the best tablets to use. It functions just fine, I have some tape to keep the cord in place to help it from moving the port around inside, but I literally can't move my tablet basically lol

No. 1655956

>>1655695
I'm the same way. I think >>1655797 has a good point, I might try to make some improvements to my visual library indeed. However, my end result is always nice and you might just need to embrace the process. If you are able to run Blender, trying to sculpt some stuff in 3D could help you with this since it's basically just taking a bunch of awkward lumps and going over them again and again until they look right. After taking classes in 3D sculpting I realized that I already had a similar mindset while drawing and it helped me enjoy my messy drawing process more. My only problem is when people ask me for help or advice and I can't even give it because I have no idea how I got to the final result, kek. If you are very worried about people seeing the whole process, you could prepare a piece to a certain extent before you start streaming and work it out from there, and just be honest about not wanting people to see your messy startup process just yet.

No. 1655979

>>1655494
>>1655872
I swear some anons here have a lack of reading comprehension and don't follow the chain of replies that the anon is responding to. If a man is into femboys then he's at least a bit of a homo even if he claims otherwise. This artist is like those repressed "straight" misogynistic 4channers who hate women so much that they turn to femboys.

No. 1655995

>>1655637
True. If anything his art shows that he is generally unable to see women, or at least fictional ones, as people. The femboy shit being a lot softer in comparison could be because he can understand and relate to males to a point where he can't get off to seeing them abused or something

No. 1656002

>>1655872
i said that desiring to horrifically abuse women is the straighest shit ever, learn to read

No. 1656017

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not too bad but i wouldn't pay $45 for this

No. 1656024

>>1656017
I'm not gonna commission this person but $45 for half body + some background is not a lot.

No. 1656119

>>1656024
I don't know what kind of disposable income you have, 45$ is too much for this shit. God, I should make furry art.

No. 1656126

>>1656017
I feel like we have this argument every couple of threads
Also I agree with the other anon 45 dollars is nothing. Artists are allowed to set their rates this honestly isn't milk

No. 1656175

>>1653262
I love graphite. I've been using water soluble ones and painting details in acrylic. I also love watercolors with high granulation. Charcoal isn't bad, either. I like mediums that can make heavy tectures, so I completely understand your love of oil pastels.

No. 1656195

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holy shit its hand

No. 1656201

>>1656195
Let it go, vendetta-chan, this is a teenager's art

No. 1656233

>>1656201
Clearly new lol

No. 1656539

>>1656002
i meant to reply to the person youre replying to. Wrong click. Sorry

No. 1656544

>>1656119
Then do it anon. I don't have disposable income but I'm not the target audience in the first place.

No. 1656718

>>1656195
lurk more fag

No. 1656774

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Maybe I'm retarded but I think she made it worse while claiming to "fix" it

No. 1656816

>>1656774
Is fixing art just adding more detail to someone's drawing nowadays?

No. 1656882

>>1655995
>>1656002
Slightly OT (emphasis on "slightly" because this is something to keep in mind when navigating art spaces and filtering potential clients, too) but I tend to call this stuff Greco-Roman thinking. You see it with some MENA cultures. They are straight, but their misogyny is so warped that they're horny for literal children and weird, bloated, dolled-up men.
I'm trying to take care on how I draw my ikemen. There's a massively distinct line between what women like and what these dudes like. But, if I'm not careful, I'll get one that's looking for something a little "different" (i.e. something softer than their usual coombrained nightmares). Any of you interested in doing male erotica, take note of this convo.

No. 1656888

>>1656816
And abusing the mesh/liquify tool, apparently.

No. 1656937

>>1656882
The only art that actively reflects peoples' attitudes is the kind where they explicitly state they are venting or trying to make a statement/propaganda. "Making weird porn" does not mean someone is secretly some kind of terrible person in a way related to the subject of their art.

However, like I indicated there ARE people who - based on their other behavior - you can tell are fucked up because it overconsumes their life, and then they make art as a subservient action to that. Some people who are super-depressed, with an external-locus-of-control and poor self-esteem end up making art that's just a cope for them being fat or whatever. Like "I put zero effort into keeping my appearance nice so all my art is of ugly people to validate my choices" type shit. As well, lot of gendie artists are "gendie-first, artist second", same with activists.

No. 1656948

>>1656774
Did she give the character a v line shaving?

No. 1656965

>>1656937
To be more specific, I was talking about the clients who would support such an artist, and not the artist themselves.

No. 1657036

>>1656948
because it emphasises the action being down which is opening the mouth. Otherwise, it's very flat compared to the tall character, looks lazy in the way she is singing too. Opening the mouth gives more action when highlighted by the facial structure changing like it does IRL. Aminated/drawn is just a little more exaggerated, but you can tell that the face shape is still rounded when it would go back to the normal position it would be like the original again.

No. 1657037

>>1656816
>>1656888
I've seen this quick series on TikTok and she has people send in their art to see if there's anything she could edit in that they could fix on their side that's not perfect like perspective. It's pretty informative and she's good at it actually, she's not just randomly fixing art like idiots on twitter would do.

No. 1657066

>>1652717
Late to this, but you have de quervains, basically your tendons get inflamed. I get it too; the only true thing you can do is rest it. Mine got so bad and wouldn't go away even without use so I got surgery to fix it, but that's an extreme case. The vast majority of people fix it by changing their habits and taking breaks.

No. 1657068

>>1657066
Nta, but basically tendonitis.

No. 1657104

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Does anyone else have the feeling 3dtotal is pushing out kickstarter artbooks of any artist they can get their hands on? Ive backed some books but lately it has been just wtf “art of xx” books…

No. 1657138

>>1657104
I noticed that when I bought a book from them a few years ago. I would get updates for a new artist’s artbook and I didn’t remember asking for updates. Seeing as how they push a lot I tend to agree with you.

No. 1657158

>>1656882
> You see it with some MENA cultures. They are straight, but their misogyny is so warped that they're horny for literal children and weird, bloated, dolled-up men.
jesus christ this wouldn't be something I learned from lolcow today, that makes a lot of sense during my early days or Deviantart commissions where I hadn't cultivated a 'normal' target audience yet, my 16-years-old self got so freaked out after approached by one of these - but luckily I rejected all of them and wasn't recruited by their niche.
I'm in my 30s now and still can't help running into self-IDed he/she/it even in 'industry' comic scene, the most I can do is humor them even when they joke about fucking a corpse rather than a woman. Just typing this making me nauseous aughhh.

>>1656937
I agree with you anon, a lot of my favorite arts are horror/gore that are on the emphasis of aesthetic experimental. Then there is 'cope' art, which is fine, but I'd wish them to be contained rather than all of them having such exhibition freaks about it.

No. 1657210

>>1657104
I've backed some of their Kickstarters and I agree. Keep feeling like it's a short time away before they announce an artbook with Samdoesart or Lavendertowne.

No. 1657410

>>1651742
Wow, this moid’s gallery is like a study of the male mind. Bleak.

No. 1657484

>>1657410
it's tragic because his art, from a technical standpoint, is kinda impressive imo. ik y'all will probably rip it to shreds after this but i like his aesthetic and the way he stylizes a simple technique; it still sucks he chooses to waste it, tho.

No. 1657489

>>1657484

His faces are kinda all fug. I like his coloring style but I can find other artists of a Same or better caliber that aren't coomer moids.

No. 1657490

>>1656774
I like her fixes because she doesn't change the original artists' styles, just does small tweaks. Like, this character is singing, so her cheekbones would be popping out more, and you'd see her lower teeth. She's adding anatomical structure to a loose drawing.

You can still prefer the original though, illustrative styles don't need to be structurally correct.

No. 1657498

>>1657489
What artists with the same or similar coloring style do you recommend?

No. 1657690

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Anons, how do you use texture in your art? I've been using the standard round brush for years but I'd like to add some texture to my art (like picrel), but every time I try it looks like shit. It doesn't help that most brushes/textures I find are pretty bad (seriously, I even paid for a pack and it turned out to be awful) and low-quality. Am I missing something here? Is there a way to make textures look good in a piece? Do you have some good (possibly free) brushes to recommend?

No. 1657854

>>1657690
i only use traditional mediums but ill try and help (with digital art), try using watercolour brushes and pencil like brushes they go really well, you can also create really cool gradinets
try also using gouache/acrylic brushes and oil pastel brushes
in conclusion I suggest you try and look into mediums that work really well traditionally and try and replicate it digitally

No. 1657948

>>1657690
also google.

No. 1657983

Honestly I don't understand why everytime I suggest we talk about something related to the items in the thread description someone feels the need to complain about how this isn't IC. If y'all don't wanna talk about any of those things then leave them out.

No. 1658096

>>1657690
The standard round brush is the most digital looking brush you could use, that's why adding a random texture on top of it would look bad. I'd suggest changing your standard brush to something with texture. You can modify the round brush to have some noise/texture in most programs. Add a multiply/overlay layer of paper texture. Add a noise layer. Paint manual texture in (like extra lines, lost edges) Making a more organic looking piece means letting go of the natural cleanliness that is inherent to digital tools.

No. 1658678

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This shit is so pathetic to me, for context Savannahxyz makes blender videos, the model in her picture is from a moid who makes porn of her, along with making gross porn of other Youtubers like Jaiden animations and the Game Grumps. It's inevitable that any female creator with a cartoon avatar will get porn made of them I know. But I don't understand the creators that want to get validation from the lowest of the low types of men.

No. 1658828

>>1658678
This made me remember of a group of girls (I believe kek) who contacted me to draw for their nsfw visual novel, I'm always in need of money and I can draw nasty shit so why the fuck not? I told them to send me what they want to draw and what they send me is a reference of, I think 8 characters.
All of these 8 characters are literally copy paste of each other the only difference being that there's an special slot in each the describe in tremendous detail how the vaginas should be drawn and how the crotch should look when clothed. I can't make this shit up.
I decided to investigate further and apparently they are being supported by around $2000 usd on Kickstarter and also on Patreon, so I guess coomers are satisfied.

No. 1658832

>>1658678
they probably know that if they refuse and call out coomers it's just going to be worse. They are gonna get a bunch of contrarian faggots drawing porn of her ''for the lulz'' and moids feeling like the victims for being called out for being coomers

No. 1658925

>>1657690
I've seen that specific painting daubs pattern in so many art pieces. I looked up and I think the original is from Grzegorz Rutkowski, he has a free brush set with it that you can download on gumroad. It's really easy to loose the texture in photoshop, sometime I like to lock the layer's transparent pixels then render the colors. It helps to hold the texture in while I shade. Hope that made sense and that it helps you somehow.

No. 1658993

Sorry if this should go into some other thread but does anynonna have any recommendations for art books with some illustrations for a kid? My niece is turning 7 but she is very skilled already and I wanna get her something she can browse, I get that she is a kid but she likes technical and intricate illustrations like machinery so, something like that? I'm sorry if this doesn't make any sense

No. 1659077

>>1658993
Technical art that's kid friendly is pretty much non existent. Do you think she would be cool with general mecha art?

Artbooks by Simon Stalenhag might be fun or maybe they're a little too gloomy for a seven year old.

No. 1659087

>>1658993
There’s always the Richard Scarry books. They’re pretty intricate. I can’t remember but there’s a series that has cut aways showing the inside of an object and buildings. I think it was about various topics but that was pretty detailed too.

No. 1659090

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>>1659087
Found it. This guy has a lot of illustrations.

No. 1659129

>>1658925
I actually already have a pack with a Rutkowsky brush that's very similar, but how should I apply it? In the picture it looks like it's just applied above the finished drawing with a layer mode.

No. 1659159

>>1658993
Could art books about mecha characters from kids shows help, like transformers or something?

No. 1659165

>>1659129
I'm not sure how they do it, I would love to know as well, the closest I managed to get was to draw the shape, fill the form with Rutkowsky brush that leaves that texture and lock the layer transparent pixels, it keeps the texture of the brushstrokes and avoids the "clean" look the hard brush gives. If you just keep using the brush over and over in the same area it will eventually look flat, that's why locking the transparency keeps it from loosing the texture. Other than that I just keep shading and adding colors with the textured brushes in new layers. In my experience just applying the texture over the drawing won't give this effect. Who is the artist of the dog drawing btw?

No. 1659169

>>1658993
Dinotopia

No. 1659171

>>1659077
I think she might like that to be honest, I do wanna get her something that might inspire her but she would definitely enjoy just flipping through a book like that, thank you, I need to check it out!
>>1659090
this is actually perfect wth, I am gonna be her fave for a while if I manage to get her this!
>>1659159
This is a nice idea, she does like stuff like ships and airplanes, I am pretty sure she also has talked about architecture like Eiffel tower but I don't see why she wouldn't like mechas, especially if I get her a toy to have a little hand feel to it also. She might really enjoy that now that I think of it, all you nonnies have been super helpful even though I was kinda messy with my post, many thanks!

No. 1659174

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>>1659171
your niece sounds cool af. I am an aircraft autist and i really liked pic rel. You could also try getting her an aircraft model to paint, although when she's older.

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No. 1659179

>>1659174
Not a bad idea, I do some miniature painting myself but not planes, might plop her next to me some time to observe when I'm babysitting
>>1659169
She still hasn't entered her dinosaurs and egypt phase but I should gear up for sure

No. 1659213

Any advice for how to deal with being mentioned in a callout? Some retarded terminally online shit went on with someone apparently blasting someone I very casually talk to as a "proshipper" and I was dragged in solely because we both follow each other mutually. I'm too old for this shit but I genuinely don't really know if I should say anything, if at all

No. 1659221

>>1659129
NTA, I don't have the brush nor use photoshop but with "textured" painting that has similar look to >>1657690 you can try to combine lasso tool to map out areas before you apply the brush.
>>1659213
Block and ignore isn't an option?

No. 1659222

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For anyone who watches or pops in from time to time on Twisted Disaster's art streams, have any of you noticed how it seems that her troon/tif friends seem to have a case of NPD. I know that not many people here like Michie or her gaggle of friends but I still sometimes listen to her streams and whenever she has any of her TIF friends ("StarHeavenly", Holly Brown, or ThEZodiacLord), something that really sticks out to me is how narcissistic they can come off.

I notice that when Michie tries to engage on a topic with them, a lot of the times they don't even engage back with the topic and redirect to whatever it is that they themselves brought up. It's not as bad with Holly but it certainly is a lot more prevalent with TheZodiacLord and StarHeavenly. They also tend to cut her off when she's making a point or in mid-sentence and it's just annoying to listen to. I notice that her non-TIF friends are not as bad and they all tend to have a flowing engaging conversation on various topics but with these two, sometimes three girls, it's exhausting to listen to.

I don't know if it's their autism with the hyperfocus on things or some kind of ADHD but it's just interesting to listen to (before tapping out because you get bored).

No. 1659224

>>1659222
i remember when my favourite youtuber brought his tif gf in one of his vids and she wouldnt stop sperging and being cringe. That video has the lowest views on his channel despite his new vids easily reaching 100k. TIF are just supremely cringe, but they are spergy mentally ill womanchildren so what can you expect.

No. 1659235

>>1659213
Ignore everything. Seriously. Just ignore and keep doing your thing. Don't respond or react to a single comment. The moment you show that you're engaged, people will try even harder to pull some drama out of you. Things will die down eventually, but it will do so even faster once people realise you're not a source of drama.

No. 1659369

>>1659222
This. I jumped into one of her streams last week and…ugh. At some point she got up and left for a couple minutes and the friend with the crab icon(?) just sat there and went off on a tangent about some dumb shit; she talked so fast and I just remember her voice bothering me. I was tired but I remember feeling bad for Michi because she kept trying to talk and the call kept turning into a mess of everyone cutting each other off as she worked. How irritating.

No. 1659385

>>1659224
kek it's panpizza isn't it

No. 1659416

>>1659213
Basically what >>1659235 said. I think it's better not to block but to simply step away for a few days. Blocking people who are trying to paint you as a bad person will make them feel justified in continuing their arguing or whatever, but if you leave it be it'll resolve itself since they have no attention spans. If absolutely necessary you can always make a statement next week about how you were busy with your real life and didn't know. A week later or so you can run blockchains on everyone who got mad

No. 1659433

>>1659385
lol he i cant wait until he breaks with that freak, for the freak's sake honestly. I cannot imagine dating a 30yo commer can be any good for her already poor mental state

No. 1659439

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>>1658678
Isnt her kid old enough to be in preschool now? Why engage in it when all it does is make people create more porn of an oc that is clearly supposed to be her and have her face be posted on her twitter acct tied to all that

No. 1659487

>>1659439
Yes she has moids calling her a milf too. What does she get out of validating online coomers? These coomers don’t even care if she approves of it or not, in fact they get off on it when the creator obviously disapproves of it.

No. 1659552

>>1658678
>It's inevitable that any female creator with a cartoon avatar will get porn made of them I know.
Honestly, if I ever became a content creator and wanted to make a cute avatar to represent me I'd just use a circle with two smaller circles for hands with a simple face similar to AT or Sanrio characters. Very little people would find it sexually arousing and it would even be rarer to find people who would outwardly and publicly sexualize and draw porn of such a character like they do with female content creators like Jaiden Animations.

No. 1659674

>>1659552
People sexualize basic shit like countryballs too so nothing like that would help, tbh just making it a masculine moid would def detract most coomers away.

No. 1659687

>>1659224
Wow, now I'm curious who you're talking about kek.

>>1659369
>Crab icon
That's TheZodiacLord and yeah, I'd argue she's probably the worst with this because she's the one who really rambles on and on about BS that is boring. She's been talking about theater shit for the past few streams she's been in and she always finds a way to redirect back to that boring topic. But Michie does engage with her in it which shows that she's trying to be supportive which is endearing but again, I notice that whenever she tries bringing up a subject that she's interested in, she hardly ever tries to engage with it and she's the one who tends to cut off Michie a lot too.

>I was tired but I remember feeling bad for Michi because she kept trying to talk and the call kept turning into a mess of everyone cutting each other off as she worked. How irritating.

I think I saw this stream, was it the one when there was like 2 or three other people in there beside Michie? One of them with a slight accent? That was a somewhat recent one and I remember getting annoyed as well because of how much they'd be cutting each other off. Personally, this is why when it comes to Michie, I prefer when she's only talking with one person, preferably the non-TIFs because the conversation flows better.

No. 1659688

>>1659165
>>1659221
I've never thought of using the lasso tool, I'm not too savvy with photoshop because I don't really use it to paint. I'll try to play around with it and see if I can get a similar look! And the artist of the dog picture is @zzzi_gn on twitter. Thank you anons!

No. 1659791

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What is the milk behind the tranny who drew this?

No. 1659812

>>1654197
TIFs think they can freely say the vilest shit about women…I hope she grows out of whatever this is

No. 1659832

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>>1659791
>original thought this was DDLC fan art
>"right, this game attracted the worst kind of audiences from either online spectrums anyway"
>saw the kyubei shirt
>realized this is Madohomu
>I want to die now

No. 1659858

>>1659832
If anything the colors give it away

No. 1659947

>>1659791
I'll never understand the need western artists have to draw every single character they can get their hands on as a gross-looking troon with disgusting amounts of body hair

No. 1660140

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No. 1660143

>>1660140
It's like that because anime stopped being for fringe nerds and is now made to appeal to the lowest common denominator autistic nerds that can't do facial recognition and hate anything that isn't moe coomer shit

No. 1660205

>>1660143
Anime was never for fringe nerds, they just latched onto it because it seemed exotic.

No. 1660215

>>1659791
of course the quickest way to make a "normal" girl character quirky is to add titchop scars and pubestache
it's not even r63 they're still women

No. 1660224

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>>1660140
this is an issue of remakes imo. They are done purely for commercial purposes and repackaged to be more market friendly. The new Trigun has the same issue, it looks like it's made to appeal to zoomers

No. 1660228

>>1660224
>>1660140
I honestly wonder if "bland" animation like this can ever have a long-term impact on people, like I'm sure there are shoppers and coomer artists, but I'm talking about actual fans of these series.

No. 1660231

>>1660143
Anime adaptations exist for the purpose of making series accessible to normies. They have been smoothing the personality out of the original manga drawings since forever, just not like this. Remakes are bound to be weird like that because it's smoothing over something that's already smoothed over thus making it completely sterile.

My personal non-coomer examples are Bungou Stray Dogs and the 2011 adaptation of Hunter x Hunter, which both do the original drawings dirty imo. My problem with HxH is mostly that they added a lot of unnecessary dorito chins, but with BSD, it's a completely different artstyle that completely sucks the charisma out of every character. However both series are popular because most people are not art spergs, they just want their fun fandom time so of course they're going to pick the format that moves on its own, has music and seiyuus and colorful visuals, and is readily available.

No. 1660266

God I absolutely hate the state of modern fandoms. I'm on my early twenties and I was one of those first generation kids that grew up with full internet access in the late 2000's and full 2010's and man, fandom was far from perfect in the 10's but I miss it so much. I fucking hate the current state of online fandoms. I'd rather have to deal with sparkledog mary sue ocs and yaoi ship wars and decrepit Superwholock nonsense again than with what current fandoms have going on.

No. 1660274


No. 1660278

>>1660266
I get you, nona. I was one of those early 2010 Axis Powers Hetalia weebs and I admit I was most likely obnoxious as fuck and I remember how the fandom was a notorious problem child but I had so much fun with the APH fandom back then. We'd have ship wars and all but in the end it all boiled down to silly Tumblr fights and if you liked a ship or not you could just move on and the same would extend to the characters. Nowadays you can't say you like or dislike a ship because then you'll have to justify it from a moral standpoint with the chance of the fandom deciding you're a "problematic creep" and if you like or dislike X or Y character you can be just freely accused of being a racist bigot for nothing.

I've stopped engaging in fandoms now, I just enjoy the series and games I like privately because I just have fandom culture now. IT makes me sad honestly, I've gained many great friends from my fandom time when I was a child.

No. 1660295

>>1660274

imagine almost suiciding because of troon madohomu

also this is an image board, anon. post a screenshot next time.

No. 1660336

>>1660278
I'm older than you both as I remember when Myspace came out when I was 15 to give you an idea (kek) kek but I miss old school fandom as well. The weeb yaoi shipping wars were tame compared to where we are now. Nevermind the gender bullshit. It feels like every woman artist I come across online under the age of 35 is "nonbinary" and uses "they/them" pronouns. It feels so dystopian.

No. 1660359

>>1660336

nta but same. i didn't use myspace but i remember the early days of deviantart and spent nearly my entire teenage life on it. i really miss all the oc nonsense and the group clubs people would make in support of certain ships and characters. i remember the most drama i saw back then was oc fights ("they stole muh oc!!1!!") and the occasional bickering on which hot anime boy yaoi ship was better than the other.

No. 1660384

>>1660359
nta but I feel like the fights have gotten nastier too. Yeah there used to be anon hate, or just general fighting and throwing around words, but I feel like it's way worse now. Now the poor fanartist of the week they decide to hate on gets called either racist, transphobic, a pedo or sometimes all of them and their proof will be the artist using the term shackles (this happened within the Genshin fandom of course).
Most are teens but some are unfortunately adults and it's wild to me how vindictive they get.

No. 1660398

>>1660266
Same. Superwholock, dan and phil fans, one directioners, and all the rest were all cringe and catty but can't top the cringe and cattiness of stuff like stan twitter, all the radical acceptance gendie shit, and "shipping discourse" where girls will cancel each other for minutiae they see "wrong" with mild tame fanart, but conveniently ignore moid loli porn. Like I remember when Steven universe fanart depicting everyone as sparkledog obese wheelchair users with vitiligo was laughed at when it was first happening and now it's just expected. Sonic do not steels but on crack.

No. 1660408

>>1660384
>their proof will be the artist using the term shackles
lmao what's wrong with this term? i am ESL and googling it yields nothing "problematique"

No. 1660420

>>1660359
AYRT and oh my god yes, I miss early DeviantART as well, I joined in 2004 and it's so sad where the site is nowadays compared to the 2000s and even the early 2010s. I remember the "OC fights" and I'd take those any day tbh. We thought it was crazy then but in the present time? Oh hell no, it was a walk in the park lol. And even despite all the chaos, there was still a sense of community back then and that's what I miss most.

No. 1660441

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>>1660408
That came from the Genshin fandom, so it's a completely braindead situation. Basically a really popular artist called Veechu tweeted about finally being freed from the shackles in relation to finishing finals or something, then some random person wanted to start drama and said that the term was actually racist. This isn't true, but the sudden critique must've caused a panic reaction, Veechu only tweeted about hating the genshin fandom and deactivated. Afterwards some people went out of their way to spread racist messages because they thought they were defending her. I wasn't close to the situation so I have no idea how bad the harassement actually was for her over using that term, but in tweets that have been made afterwards the consensus seems to be that Veechu was only in the wrong for not calmly taking the "criticism" and that no one would've pressed it if she just reacted positively. But she and other artists that were drawing a certain ship have already been getting harassed for weeks at that point, so I imagine she just didn't want to deal with pointless accusations anymore

No. 1660450

>>1660441

Genshin was a fucking mistake, but also, a reason why fandom spaces got worse is largely because social media bunched everyone into the same spaces, and now adults and minors don't have their own designated spaces, and teens have gotten bold thinking they belong everywhere instead of minding their business. Couple that with the fact that half the time younger generations don't know how to log off and realize at the end of the day their ships aren't real, and the characters aren't real. Part of me pities them because clearly their social skills are dead on arrival so they spend their entire time harassing other people, especially artists.

No. 1660456

>>1660441
>freed from the shackles in relation to finishing finals or something, then some random person wanted to start drama and said that the term was actually racist.
i get slavery collective trauma of black people and stuff but aren't shackles also used in prisons and animal farms to this day and they've had a lot of history before their usage to restrain slaves? this is so ridiculous, why don't they also call her speciesist/human supremacist (because no one gives a fuck about animal abuse)
you're right about the genshin famdom it's a dumpster fire, it was doomed from the start

No. 1660464

>>1660441
Veechu was one of the bigger ones (just want to mention she has since returned but obviously avoids twitter). But it happens on a smaller scale every other day, and the claims will immediately get out of hand no matter how small the perceived slight was. It's always the worst when it involves a ship, even if the person just minded their own business. All that needs to happen is someone deciding that you shipping this or that is morally repugnant for whatever reason and suddenly the most vile threats and accusations are a-okay.

No. 1660493

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>>1660450
Genshin ship discourse would be so much easier to bear if they had released official ages and sexualities. Just a few days ago another artist got cancelled for making a ship bingo that included a "lesbian-coded" character with a man and a minor with an immortal god, when said minor could be interpreted as any age between 15 and 19. It's all so fucking stupid, Pic related was funny though

>>1660464
Yeah, for some reason people get really vicious about this shit, especially when the artist in question has a cute style and draws harmless things.

No. 1660498

>>1660493
It wouldn't help. Literally everything in the game points to the Traveler being hundreds of years old and I still regularly see them being called anything from 16 to 12 years old.
It also wouldn't matter because nobody should give a shit in the first place if someone draws a canon gay chara with their opposite sex self insert. I mean a straight chara could have a whole ass family and professing their love for said family every other line and they'd still ship them with someone of the same sex. Which is fine. Because it's just people having fun.

No. 1660499

>>1660493
Shipping used to be a fun little Team A vs Team B type of rivalry within fandoms, now it's all been taken so seriously for no reason.

Also, it's funny that "you gotta respect canon sexualities" is suppose to be some kind of argument when people like this often love shipping two straight characters in a gay ship all the freaking time.

No. 1660525

>>1660498
It would put a stop to a lot of baseless accusations at least. But you're right, it doesn't matter and it shouldn't matter and the coomers at hoyo are certainly not losing sleep over it. I've noticed that those arguments are generally only ever brought out when people want to start something because they already hate the specific artist, they can let the exact same things slide or block silently as long as it's made by someone else. The first crime is to be seen as annoying, the second is drawing or saying something that could be misinterpreted, that's always how it goes.

>>1660499
True, zoomers have unhealthy attachments to these pngs and for some reason they get really really mad when someone mischaracterizes them or draws them in a way that isn't canon compliant

No. 1660527

>>1660525
Which is hilarious because they always only love the most flanderized fandom version of said character.

No. 1660535

>>1660274
>>1659791

Looking at their profile and although they primarily post in chinese they strangely behave more like your typical western online artist than a chinese one. I don't have any evidence and am just going by my gut feeling + my experience in interacting with chinese artists online but this looks like some american LARPing as a chinese to me.

The first red flag to me was them folding so miserably over criticism on the tranny madokaxhomura pic. Most chinese artists I've seen would bite back with all sorts of colorful insults and tell you to fuck off their page.

No. 1660541

>>1660535
I used to follow this artist because of their cool lesbian art but I had to unfollow because their art started to gross me out. They are legitinately Chinese, iirc from Hong Kong specifically. And they basically assimilated into western communities bcoz the eastern communities do not look so kindly to trans people. I believe they were harassed off in their old community.

No. 1660551

>>1660541

Oh wow so it's a chinese LARPing as an american? Now that's something.

Their art has some interesting themes but the way they draw male bodies looks fucking gross to me for some reason.(racebaiting)

No. 1660587

>>1660551
No one is LARPing as either nationality if they can speak both languages anon. A lot of nona on this thread are ESL non-American artists too.

No. 1660644

>>1660587
nta but i think they thought the person was larping because in the end it's still a chinese user heavily trying to act like a western artist in order to be assimilated by the western fandom like >>1660541 said. the same way it's not unheard of to have westerners trying to larp as eastern asians (usually korean or japanese) in order to try to blend in with them on twitter.

No. 1660652

>>1660644
AYRT but this is my personal take that speaking a language where the platform majority speaks of shouldn't be considered 'LARPing' or pretending to be another nationality. The fandom I'm in almost doesn't exist in English space (BL lightnovel) so if I want to share interests with other fans, I should at least speak Japanese with them.
As well as "gender culture" can go so far, and yes there are creepy Westerners trying to racebend themselves irl to make themselves exotic (Olly London is too much of a notorious examples, I've seen this with otherkin too).
Most of the time people do this for social reasons. I hope other anon here can take notes before throwing assumptions
This is from a 30yo nona too tired of language gatekeep conversation online

No. 1660653

>>1660493
>you gotta respect canon sexualities
People regularly don't, fujos turning everything into yaoi is a meme for a reason, bffr your ships aren't more ~valid~ cos you're such an ally or whatever. Genshitters will say anything to prove their crush on animu boy 56 is the bestest.

No. 1660659

>>1660493
This is so funny. First, "implied" is extremely different from "canon." Everything lesbian about her could easily be written off, which is on purpose as to not alienate their coomer male fanbase who wants her to be their foxgirl mommy gf. Besides, fandom thrives on disrespecting canon sexuality kek. The fact they've memed themselves into thinking the yuri bait side-boob video game girl is a real lesbian whose identity must be respected at all costs is so fascinating.

No. 1660693

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is drawabox worth it? ive been drawing since i could pick up a pencil but its always something ive done for fun so i never really bothered to learn the fundamentals, and now that im taking my art a little more seriously im looking to hone my skills but im not sure where to start. drawabox seemed promising but i read through lesson 0 and i just felt overwhelmed… ffs i dont even own fineliners. im considering just doing the entire course digitally even if they warn you against it

No. 1660737

>>1660659
That's how most annoying fandoms are nowadays. Some people can't just enjoy a character or a ship they have to turn it into a form of activism that is supposed to be improving society somehow.

No. 1660742

>>1660737
Favorite discourse I've ever seen was that shipping Character A with Character B was bad because… Character A was already in a canon relationship with Character C. And by shipping AB instead of canon AC, you were destroying important mlm representation for your stupid non-canon ship!!!!! Important to note that all three characters were cis men. It's as if old school ship wars were being fought by mentally disabled trannies. Hey, wait a minute-

No. 1660744

>>1660742
I miss how in old school fandom you could just say "I like this ship because I like it" or say "I dislike this ship because I don't like it". Nowadays if you like or dislike a ship then it's as if the entire fandom expected you to release an essay with a moral justification as to why you like or dislike said ship and depending on canon some ships are off limits because Muh Representation (that's barely even there)

No. 1660759

>>1660652

(Same anon as >>1660551 )

I assumed they were LARPing not because they speak english, but because of their behavior and the way they talk (type?). East-asian artists usually type and behave online in ways that are quite different from western artists and are easy to identify. Of course, it's not all of them, but a good amount out there. This artist behaves a lot closer to how a western artist does, down to their usage of certain emoticons, hence why at first I thought they were just some american that happened to know how to speak chinese. I was never talking about the language they spoke, but rather they way they type their posts and how they seemed to behave online.

But I get your point, I'll try to improve myself on that front.

No. 1660762

>>1660493
the genshin fandom and now the honkai star rail fandom have me convinced that the mihoyo games are made so they can generate the most radioactive twitter zoomer bog possible.

No. 1660974

>>1660742
That kind of argument always comes across to me as whining that the artist isn't drawing what the person likes. Fanart is never taking away or giving representation, none of the artists are involved with the media so nothing they do will affect it and it's insane to pretend otherwise

No. 1661013

>>1660974
Yeah, it's pretty much just a tantrum. They're always a freeloader who doesn't want to put in work themselves, so they try to bully others into doing it, or create a desolate wasteland trying.
The argument I mentioned is used by retards in a lot of fandoms, but one of the best instances was a D&D podcast. The tif was arguing that the ship was wrong, because you were shipping two brothers' characters, so it's pretty much incest (freaks). Completely ignoring the fact that the podcast is three brothers and their dad playing, so by that logic ANY ships that weren't pure NPC ships were meta-incest, I guess, KEK
I wish that weirdo's blog was still around, page after page of sperging and meltdowns over proper shipping activity, dotted with woe is me self pitying posts about being trans.

No. 1661044

>>1660974
Current online fandom people are notoriously entitled as fuck. If the content isn't perfectly tailored to their preferences they start complaining about it, but it's much easier for them to bully some artist and tell them that they'd drawing it "wrong" than to get the company to change the game to fit what they like (aka it won't ever happen), hence why all the discourse.

No. 1661179

Nonnas please tell me if I'm being dramatic. I posted a drawing of my OC that I was really proud of and was unaware of the similarities to an existing character until I saw them. I love that character, so I might have been subconsciously influenced by that, but I wonder how many people saw the similarities and cringed. I can't even watch the media their from anymore without thinking of it, I feel so embarrassed.

No. 1661185

>>1661179
In all honesty nona, just ignore it. If people saw the similarities or not, who cares? It's your OC and if you like them and you're proud of it then that's more important. There's nothing to be embarrassed about.

No. 1661458

>>1660762
This literally gives me a giggle thank you, I'm glad I avoided genshit like wildfires and will continue so.

There are so many anime-style games out there, obscure JRPGs there deserve fan contents imo. I hate this current game era where you can't just make one-off games anymore (and as example FF16 tanked like fucks, despite Square Enix' attempts to appeal to western audience).

>>1660974
>>1661013
>>1661044
Based takes. I love making fan arts and gag comics for fun. Entitled fans really ruined it not only me but also just also other artists and fans who just want to have fun. Although I don't think non-artist can understand this (aka the advice is "just ignore them", okay you're in my charge on my notifications and DM then).
I can sympathize when east asian artists (jpn,kr) gatekeep their arts to an obsessive level. I do this now too.

No. 1661577

>>1661458

How do you gatekeep your art, nona? Private your accounts/invite only server on discord?

No. 1661628

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>>1661577
Here, take some note anon
>Find a specific niche that's too obscure for the mentally ill to flock with
>Do some research on active posters of said niche (be on twitter, instagram, misskey)
>Create a new account, post some daily drawings while actively engage with the community you want be involved by like/retweet. A follow might be too much of an obligation, and people are just shy.
>Organically grow your community while capping your followers. If the number starts to grow in a certain degree, lock your account and start screening your followers.
This is where the work comes in, you will have to manually check on your follower profile, notice the DNI/minor/pastel flag and immediately mass block that account's followed, and then block that account. Keep doing that step until your followers seem "clean". Some of my artist mutuals have put warning "do not view or follow if you're under 18" in their bio, so if there's seem to be a locked account you cannot screen but have put their age (20↑), which is still on thin ice for me, but I leave that to your judgement. There's no shame to private your account from time to time, you'll get used to it.

This will take awhile, but usually a full two weeks is enough for me to create an account to gatekeep my arts while still able to get validation from (real) interactions with other fans. It's really fun too once you start to participate online events like celebrate a character's birthday, or a stageplay announced out of the blue.
I think occasionally my problem is that one of my mutuals is more vain than the rest of us, and would retweet my art to LRT commenting. Which led to their 8k-something followers to flock onto my purposefully gatekeep art account.
Feel free to ask any question if you're curious. This method has been effective for me in before Musk had decided to ruin twitter for us all, I also don't draw as much these days because of full-time job.

No. 1661629

>>1659687
It's a shame because I used to like ZodiacLord back in the day but yeah, VOD says one week ago.

No. 1661652

i won't say what it is but a fandom i'm in right now is split between the first game in 2016 and the second game in 2019; the first game's fandom is really niche and non-existent while the second game appeals to alot of twitter/zoomer shits with poorly written gay characters and maybe two characters who are "ENBY!1!1!". since we're talking about OC's i actually have a few that i was thinking about posting art of and writing for and stuff but like,,,one of them is shipped with a canon character the fandom considers to be gay (not canonically, ofc). should i post my straight ship art of him regardless of how everyone feels? should i do like what >>1661628 said? am i wrong for not caring whether or not i get cancelled?

No. 1661827

>>1661179
tbh if you think people will absolutely notice then just take it with humor. post a meme or smth about how much they resemble. one time i saw an artist post that spiderman meme where they're pointing at eachother and the caption was about copying the character lol

No. 1661885

>>1661652
If he's not canonically gay or in a relationship you'll be fine, but do not make the mistake of calling him het even if you see him that way. Say you headcanon him as bi instead when someone asks. Some girl in an otome fandom said she considered a certain character hetero for her OC ship and she's still getting called homophobic because of it

No. 1661902

>>1661885
out of curiosity because I'm also on the otoge fandom, which is usually filled with yumejo and wine moms for me. Maybe I've been in a greener pasture of the fandom to notice the ~muh homophobia~ discourse.
I'm Norn9 fan but also have friends who are into newer otome games I haven't gotten time to play

No. 1662085

>>1660541
Slightly OT but I knew they were from Hong Kong the moment the anon said they speak Chinese but act like a western. Hong Kong people are very westernized because of the British occupation and have good English I think. And are very influenced by western culture, values, beliefs and politics.

No. 1662177

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>>1662085
I caved in and looked into the cursed madoka art's OP and honestly, I agree with this person. I actually participated in their kickstarters before.
I don't like the called out fan art for sure, but I believe they got the same degree of harassment that most of us received esp. during the peak tumblr->twitter migration era. Take my word for this, but there's a subset of tumblr blogs that are convinced all asian artists are generically homophobic and all subsets of ~phobic, just another branch of white women's conspiracy theory to be anti-asian (mostly due to jealousy). I was harassed by one of them and fuck all I wish I hadn't come to know of their existence.

I just feel really bad for them now tbh.

No. 1662437

>>1660336
Every fanbase seems to boil every non stereotypical action to tranny shit. Even worse a lot of these fanartists are gonna be the next crop of media makers. Everything with a female fanbase seems pozzed with titchop shit.

No. 1662558

>>1659221
>>1659235
>>1659416
Thank you for the advice, unfortunately if I block this account I'll likely get more harassment (this person is kind of well known in the niche I fly under) so instead I'm just going to step back for a few days. Ironically, the "proshipper" thing the artist was being called out for turns out to just be a 5 year age gap art between two characters that are in their 20s. What a clown world.

No. 1662564

>>1660224
I absolutely hate the new Trigun and refuse to acknowledge it. It really is zoomer tier garbage.

No. 1662570

>>1660541
>tranny supporter
jfc, wherever western influence is, this shit is prominent.

No. 1662604

>>1660541
>I used to follow this artist because of their cool lesbian art
I'm sorry but I don't understand why some people get so surprised when this kind of artist goes full trans supporter, it's a guaranteed pipeline for most into these circles

No. 1662746

>>1660398
One of the nastiest ship discourse I've ever rubbernecked in was the one about whether BBC Sherlock/John fans were more or less pedophilic than John/Sherlock fans. It also remains one of the absolute dumbest because it was a bunch of tween to college aged women flinging accusations of criminality, rape apologia, and problematic-ness at each other of each other's preferences for combinations of the same two gross middle aged British men.

No. 1662783

>>1662746
I somehow missed this smackfight when johnlock was around. I'm so jealous nonna, kek. I'm sure the callouts were plentiful, and the discourse mind-numbingly stupid.

No. 1662942

>>1661628

AYRT, thanks for taking the time to write this out. You seem to put a lot of effort into curating your online experience. I respect that and I'll definitely take a couple pages from your book because it's getting out of hand lately. It's nothing I want to obsess over, it isn't like I'm drawing for fandom. But people tend to get too comfortable owning people's ideas and twisting them for their own agenda.

No. 1663004

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Was watching Ignatz awarding from 2020 knowing an artist I followed was in it. I assumed most of the indie comics online community are made for and by women, gendies or otherwise because of the clockable art and writing style but all of the tims took me out by surprise kek. https://youtu.be/MyB5iDCAZhg

No. 1663007

>>1660737
>>1660744
>>1661044
>>1662746
The retards who joined fandoms in the 2010s heard "don't kinkshame" and assumed that kinks were part of someone's intrinsic identity like being gay was. Shipping also ended up in a similar way, because shipping for most people = sexual = kink purposes. So maladjusted teens/young adults who were marinating in the protoplasmic cultural soup that became gendie nonsense began associating their random interests with key parts of their beings.

Also note that many of these shits subscribe to at least a small dose of social constructionism - the presupposition that EVERYTHING is socially constructed.
They throw a fit because you're interfering with THEIR illusion of reality by imposing what they see as YOUR illusion of reality when you have either no authority to do so or deserve to have your illusions of reality stripped away as punisment for perceived slights.
Yes, even by shipping something else you are, to them, entering into conflict with them over "what reality is." The claims of "erasure" come from the sheer fact they think that disagreeing to someone's face, or publicly, means that such a person has a privileged position due to their mental strength or resources to weather a shrieking mob.

And yes if you encounter such a person outside fandom shit, they're basically going to be insufferable due to seeing every social interaction as a conflict over determining reality.

No. 1663018

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>more obviously female-friendly Superman cartoon is released where there's a female protagonist that isn't sexualized at all
>coomoid's first thought is to draw this shit
Exterminate moids

No. 1663023

>>1663018
She has a shirt that hangs due to her tits in the show. You think this is an issue? At least they gave her natural tits and not basketballs up to her chin.

No. 1663030

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>>1663023
Even if they seem natural size, the way the fabric wraps around the shirt in that pic is peak coomerism. Are you blind? Her chest does NOT look like that at all in the show.

No. 1663032

>>1663030
we have a moid responding to tons of random threads right now, anon. If you think a post is absurdly stupid, any time in the next few hours, take this into consideration.

No. 1663036

>>1663032
Oh I thought that faggot was gone like an hour ago. Thanks for the heads up nonna

No. 1663043

>>1663004
Kek this is why I've stayed far away from the indie comic scene also the people in that scene are insane and toxic. Carta is a huge creepy degenerate who is friends with the like of that Gretchen tim that wrote the manhunt book. Don't recommend looking at his Twitter

No. 1663045

>>1663030
I meant
>wraps around the chest*
Anyone with a functional brain would've have noticed the problem with the art anyway

No. 1663059

>>1663004
Jesus Christ they really are like the plague. Can't go anywhere online without encountering them.

No. 1663076

>>1663004
I'm new to western comic scene since I'm used to comiket doujinshi kind of comic market. I saw a comic mutual got nominated for Ignatz and I still don't know how much of a big deal it is?
>>1663043
You have to give us milk nonnie

I got to admit, I'm used with my more homogenous comic market where it's mostly introverted women who preferred anonymity. They also do not refer by themselves even when we meet offline. Meanwhile when I first joined an 'indie' comic server where most members are based in the US, every of them has to have to spam their selfies daily. There's always a pressure to show your faces on voice call too. it's making me increasingly uncomfortable and I don't know how to integrate with them.

No. 1663096

>>1663076
I don't hang around these people anymore and haven't for a very long time so I think I'm safe saying some of this shit lol.
I don't know carta personally but he influenced a huge group of people who I use to hang around (very loosely tbh I wasn't super close with any of them and kind of watched this happen from afar) with and a bunch of them are now tifs. This woman who used to seem pretty normal suddenly left her husband and tif'd and went to live with Carta, I have no idea if she still does. She seemed really normal so it was such a weird change I think she goes by Casey now. Carta also may have buried some of this now but he made a comic years back about how the meet n fuck games on newgrounds made him want to be a woman because he saw the women getting fucked and wanted to be that. Classic agp. He also has defended other tims that are accused of sa. I can't recall who it was but if you do some digging you may be able to find that on Twitter.

All these people are insufferable and backstabby too. I don't mean to scare you or anything because this is a specific group within that scene but I've stayed away from it ever since. Which is a shame because I'm sure there are some cool people there. I've met some really awesome people who self publish and do interesting work. Sorry this was still pretty vague lol.

Honestly anon if you're not comfortable maybe these aren't your people.

No. 1663109

I just visited /ic/ for the first time in a long time and there is so much anime coomer shit, I swear it wasn't like that before, what happened?

No. 1663122

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>>1663096
Honestly as someone who browses the tim/tif threads a lot I knew these were happening. I knew trans people are grooming others into their social contagion group but it's so surreal to see it actually happen close enough that some random artist I stumbled into is only a few degrees separated from this shit happening.
>Carta also may have buried some of this now but he made a comic years back about how the meet n fuck games on newgrounds made him want to be a woman because he saw the women getting fucked and wanted to be that.

>"Porn Girl" or pornography trans fetish actor

>safe tagged by shinigami eyes
Of course he is.

He also made a hilarious navel gazey comic https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/16/16657222/hitman-comic-carta-monir

No. 1663134

>>1650759
>gekinja
*gijinka

No. 1663135

>>1663096
AYRT thank you for the milk nona, may your upcoming days are blessed with good arts.
I don't recognize these names (yet) but I will keep an eye around these individuals. There's definitely a pattern of how the women behave in this group, if I can describe, almost depersonalized themselves to make space for their maladjusted NPD sperging partners. I feel sorry for them whenever we get to talk one on one.
I know toxic art cliques is mandatory whenever I go, but with my local art market is so stagnant in opportunities these days, I will just try my best to humor these lots while keeping a safe distance.

No. 1663154

>>1663122
Oh I think the comic I'm thinking of is from that same year too lol. Or a year earlier. His comics are incredibly mediocre the cult of personality around him is weird
>>1663135
Probably the best solution. You'll always find some people you'll get closer to and click with so best just to keep an eye out for those few you do. Years later and I'm still friends with the people like that that I met a decade ago.

No. 1663183

>>1663109
Caused by the fact that porn and hentai is more popular and normalized than ever and now coomers are constantly trying to make their own coomershit to get off on it and make money like the other hundreds of porn "artists" who have the same reasons.

No. 1663202

>>1661628
If you run blockchains on people with pronouns on bio etc, will there be people on that fandom that remain unblocked at the end? I block minors, TRAs and such everytime they follow me, but since lots of people follow them even if they aren't any of these things themselves I feel almost everyone would end blocked. But maybe that's just because my main fandom is small and so everyone follows the few people who make art of it.

No. 1663208

>>1663018
I hate to break it to you but Lois was was getting sexualised the moment the “brown tomboy” design hit the internet. The coomers were salivating like crazy

No. 1663235

>>1660693
Yes
Do it
Take the plunge.
You don’t have to finish it if you don’t want to. I think up until the plant lesson is good enough.
Alternatively you could do dynamic sketching

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqR-aNpyEIVd91GCwsyOS3oRn6eoRhyio

Idk what level your art is at but this shit is super useful.

No. 1663249

>>1662746
i never fail to look back and lol about the hannigram "age gap" discourse. i think thats what really woke me up to how fucking stupid ship discourse is lmfao

No. 1663331

>>1663045
>>1663030
You're telling me your shirts don't do that ever? Anon, I'm not a moid. I'm just not seeing the bimboism coomerism here.

No. 1663343

>>1663007
>Yes, even by shipping something else you are, to them, entering into conflict with them over "what reality is." The claims of "erasure" come from the sheer fact they think that disagreeing to someone's face, or publicly, means that such a person has a privileged position due to their mental strength or resources to weather a shrieking mob.

Some shippers really treat their masturbation sessions over their gay ships as IRL gay activism, and victimize themselves whenever they cringe too close to the sun and are ratioed by the general fandom. I used to be a huge fujoshit, but any type of community around a gay ship is full of dramatic bullshit, with tinges of misogyny, and zero fun.

No. 1663436

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Thoughts?

No. 1663438

>>1663436
I mean yeah, they're right.

No. 1663462

>>1663436
I mean, it makes sense but the art is so terrible. I honestly hate 99% of those tiktok\whatever artisits who make tutorials because even though they make have a certain grasps on how anatomy works (they at least understand what they are doing) the execution is very sub-par.
At this point, I believe that learning from artubers or whatever they call themselves actually can hurt your progress. Imagine looking at anon's screencap and going "yeah, this will help me. From now on, I gonna draw like this".

No. 1663498

>>1663436
The anatomy sucks. How can you be this bad at drawing arms and hands and try to give advice on it?

No. 1663500

>>1663436
gonna agree with the other replies, I hate unskilled/shabby-quality art in tutorials. there's a million billion of these going around and they are just not good enough to be teaching anyone.

No. 1663565

>>1663462
They are made by and for beginners because proper anatomy is too difficult. It would be good if everyone remembered that they don't have to strictly follow tutorials they see online. Like, whenever I see someone dare to say that chickenscratch is bad the comments will be full of beginners bitching and whining about how it's simply their style, as if they couldn't look past some random tweet if it's that important to their creative visions to have dogshit linework

No. 1663569

>>1663498

Because mediocre artists with anatomy skills bordering "passable" tend to be the most obnoxious ones when it comes to tutorials. They're the ones who try to teach people what's "right" and what's "wrong" even though it's based on what they think it's right or wrong and not on actual reality.

I'll forever die on the hill that 99% of online artists are allergic to real human anatomy and would rather shit and cry at the sight of an actual anatomy book than to actually use it to better themselves.

No. 1663584

>>1663500
>>1663565
>>1663569
I also feel like newbie artists feel intimidated by actual professional art books since they think they can't learn from something that complex and thus would rather look at very basic and poorly drawn tutorials that seem to be more approachable and matching their level.
Or maybe they want to draw in anime/toon style and think they can throw out actual anatomy out of the window since steven universe or what have you doesn't have complex anatomy. Don't mind that you need a very strong grasp on shapes and lines to be a good cartoonist. In fact, toons are more difficult IMHO cause you need to really think about every single line you put on the paper or otherwise it wouldn't work.

No. 1663588

>>1663584
In all honestly I know some newbie and amateur artists are insecure and all but most of the ones I've met so far are just lazy as fuck and don't want to learn how the human body (or even how reality as a whole) works. They always use the excuse "I don't draw realism" or "realism is too hard" and proceed to try to learn through cartoons or anime because it's easier. I've reached the point where whenever I see some newbie/mediocre or amateur artist complaining about things that can be fixed through studying reality I just write them off as lazy shits who just want a shortcut and don't actually want to learn because if they REALLY wanted to learn they would've found a way to do it already (ofc in this case I give some leeway to newbies because newbies still don't have the ropes yet).

No. 1663590

>>1663569
I'm still salty about an amateur boob tutorial I saw in like 2007 that said boobs aren't shaped "like a balloon hanging down" [img of large breast with sag] they're shaped like a bowl on the chest [img of pert modest chest, zero sag]. It said something like boobs don't hang down and that's just a big titty anime thing; I understand being irked by comically large tits in every drawing of a woman but it's also not right to say that boobs are shaped like gravity-defying inverted cereal bowls. It makes me so sour to remember it

No. 1663856

>>1663588
>>1663584
Most artists are terrible teachers.
Most drawing books suck.
The "good ones" primarily require some background knowledge in order to use effectively.

Many newbie artists think they need to learn anatomy when they really need to learn things even more basic - line, shape, form, and thing like the person further up the thread who was having shoulder issues cause of never being shown how to actually sit and hold the pen/pencil.

I think older drawing books assume you have some minimum level of basic "how to hold a pencil without cramping" from school and practice in penmanship, which is just nonexistent now.

No. 1663861

>>1663856

That's a fact, but even then…I am a self-taught artist, far from some super amazing perfect professional but good enough to be able to work with art as my profession, and I am entirely self taught and I was born in 2000. I learned the things I know because I went out of my way to search for them BECAUSE I wanted to learn.

Most of nowadays newbie artists, like >>1663588 said, seem to want a shortcut more than to actually learn. If this was the early 00's or even the early 2010's I'd accept the "but they don't have background knowledge" excuse, but now with the amount of information freely available out there…it's just a matter of wanting to learn and wanting to look for information. If you hand is cramping, search for ways to not have it cramp and you'll eventually discover how's the correct way to actually sit and draw. If you want to learn anatomy but don't trust books, use photo studies from the hundreads of art pose photograph sites around. The information is all out there, you just need to actually want to look for it. However these newbies just don't, for whatever reason.

"Oh, but they don't know what terms to search" girl, when you're in need of something you'll try every keyword on the planet until you find it. When I was younger and didn't know what chromatic aberration was but I wanted to add it to my drawings I remember googling every single keyword and term I could think of and asking around on Tumblr until I managed to find out the correct name and a tutorial, and that was in the early to mid 2010's.

Maybe I'm sounding cold or harsh towards nowadays newbie artist, but honestly with how easy it is to get access to information, resources, tools and everything else for art on the Internet I don't really buy their excuses anymore. If you want to learn, just literally open Google and search or ask people on the Internet.

No. 1663912

>>1663565
>Like, whenever I see someone dare to say that chickenscratch is bad the comments will be full of beginners bitching and whining about how it's simply their style, as if they couldn't look past some random tweet if it's that important to their creative visions to have dogshit linework
I still remember people whining about how flipping their canvas to check mistakes easier was terrible advice and how "the old masters never flipped their canvas and neither should I!". Bitch if Michelangelo could right-click and flip the Sistine Chapel ceiling you bet your ass he would.

No. 1663959

>>1663436
Kek, i love their backhanded comment to whoever artist drew this

No. 1663969

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It really feels like (female) Chinese artists are leaving the rest of the world in the dust

No. 1663979

>>1663969
I love them but I've seen the traditional Chinese art settings so often that it all looks the same now. Some variety of color or scenery would be helpful, it's like they use immense skill and practice to draw women in traditional garb in cherry blossoms. Like give her a sword and a decapitated head or something idk do a flip.

No. 1664020

>>1663969
I agree but you posted the worst possible example

No. 1664022

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Anons recent discussion of new artists refusing to learn realism or any anatomy reminds me of this I saw on tiktok once. Zoomer artists refuse to learn actual anatomy and realism, they only copy animu art styles. The obvious answer is to learn the features of people of every race and then learn how to stylize them. But also does it really fucking matter of you don’t perfectly represent a POC in your animu art style? It doesn’t fucking matter if you don’t have accurately lighter colored palms on a black character or whatever. Last I checked black people or anyone of any race don’t have giant bright white eyes that take up 60% of the face so I don’t get retards nitpicking on heavy stylized art being perfectly representative of real life. Basically the saying, you need to learn the rules before you can break them.

Also zoomers care so much for their art style but can’t even create unique art styles for themselves. All they do is steal bits and pieces from other zoomer artists who don’t know what they’re doing either. Just look at how obsessed with “rendering” they are that they think it magically polishes bad anatomy and wonky lineart and nonsensical lighting/shading into a work of art.

No. 1664028

>>1664022
zoomers artists care too much about dumb shit that doesnt matter

No. 1664034

>>1663912
People used mirrors ad turned canvases upsidedown instead lol it's a pretty basic trick

No. 1664038

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The only zoomer artist I know who actually cares about anatomy etc. is 7greentearz, who is unfortunately a very delusional tif

No. 1664043

>>1664038
>cares about anatomy
where? that looks like every other zoomie artist with stiff bodies

No. 1664046

>>1664038
This looks like any other tumblr artist ever

No. 1664056

>>1664038
That arm ain't even attached

No. 1664093

>>1663861
>it's just a matter of wanting to learn and wanting to look for information. If you hand is cramping, search for ways to not have it cramp

A lot of artists are in social circles where pain and struggle give you brownie points and the more defective things you can list off and never actually fix the more sympathy you get. I've seen people who assume that your wrist is SUPPOSED to get sore too, and plenty who get venomous over even tracing as practice, even mad over using their art as a reference. As if you're supposed to just have fully-formed ideas in your head that you project onto the canvas using your pen.

It doesn't help that some of the people who have these derangements got to being decently skilled. The newbies who look up to them don't realize they're getting to the equivalent of like… weight loss tips from someone attractive that's neither been fat nor understands anything about nutrition.

>>1664022
A lot of them care about status games too much. Most artists just copy things they like, with certain segments trying to draw what they think will be popular. SOME terminally-online zoomers copy what they think they're "supposed to support" because they're either afraid of getting dogpiled on or are psychos similar to email scammers, and recognize that the people who bitch about "POC hand skin tone" are so stupid they're easier to get money out of.
>I don’t get retards nitpicking on heavy stylized art being perfectly representative of real life
Some are just using any excuse they can think of to rip apart others, some are neurotic and trying to signal they're "actually a good person" because they are afraid they'll fuck up and get piled on for it, some are insane and, consciously or not, believe that any style which can't actually "represent everyone" is immoral. That also means they use such a thing to test artists, and those who refuse to change their style to be inclusive are considered to have been bad people all along. Witch hunting.

No. 1664107

>>1664020
What examples would you choose? Genuinely looking for interesting artists on that technical level

No. 1664113

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>>1664043
>>1664038
Didn't say it was good, kek, just that most zoomies art I'm exposed to look like picrel

No. 1664117

>>1663969
There are a lot of incredible young western artists that are not aspiring for some social media fame but for actual stable job in art related industries; it kinda sounds like confirmation bias here. These kinda people tend to not talk too much about their age or personal life though, just post the art to have hiring portfolio ready.

No. 1664156

>>1664117
I'm one of 'em and, aside from grappling with hustle culture and burnout, it's alot better than clout chasing on twitter so far but I do hate how alot of my potential commissioners spend a good chunk of their time on there.

No. 1664334

>>1663030
The way big name productions would rather randomly race swap white characters in the endless remakes they churn out, because they don't want to greenlight original stuff anymore let alone original poc centric stuff and also forced diversity. Couldn't they have at least made an original Korean character (this Lois is Korean) instead at least like how they made Miles Morales for spiderman?

At least there's indie stuff. But yk?

No. 1664392

>>1664117
>>1664156

That's actually going to lead them to job insecurity. Global market = as soon as someone from malaysia or whatever can do the same corporate slop for cheaper your ass is out of there. Plus fiverr exists, and the absolute bottom barrel "doesn't need to be looked at for more than 5 seconds on a screen bigger than your palm" art for ads, articles, and scammy mobile games are slowly turning to hiring pajeet AI artists instead because the quality bar is that low.

Sadly many think the only options are "be an industry pro" and "be a clown on social media" when simply running your art on social media and gallery sites like an old school small mom-n-pop business is the way to go. Legitimately curating your followers to those that like your art BECAUSE its your art you have more job security and happiness (since you can be chill with your clients).

This is compared to waking up every day preparing to lick the boots of your manager, your department head, and the more-catty people in your team so their willingness to throw you under the bus for the slightest thing is directed elsewhere, while not making things you actually enjoy.

No. 1664400

>>1664392
That is not more stable than working a commercial art job what… People online are also fickle. Getting paid a liveable wage from posting online is near impossible not to mention you don't get benefits the way you do working in a studio.

No. 1664518

>>1664334
Miles Morales did exist as a comic book character. I don't know if making OCs for Superman would be a good idea, the audience they're pandering to would nitpick any OCs they put in unless it's a racist caricature in a binder like the specimens from the bad art thread.

No. 1664580

>>1664392
>Legitimately curating your followers to those that like your art BECAUSE its your art you have more job security and happiness (since you can be chill with your clients).

I agree, but this is a rare achievement. Curating a following that is truly loyal to you depends a lot on your personality, not just your art skills. And having a big enough online following to make it your full time job is even harder. You must expose your life online to gain that loyalty, and not everyone is willing to do that.

No. 1664587

>>1664518
Right like when they made the gen z gendie caricatures "snowflake" and "safespace" for marvel. Boggles my mind that they'd rather do cringe uncreative shit like that, or just swap the ethnicity of a random character, than actually make something. But, as long as remakes are easy money they ain't gonna do anything else.

No. 1665039

Somehow I have attracted the ire of a very dedicated fanboy who shares the same fandom as me. He doesn’t like the way I draw his favorite character and has made me his enemy despite me ignoring him. It’s easy enough to not engage, but he’s actively in community spaces trying to warn people about me, saying I’m mentally ill because of how I draw his favorite character.
It’s so stupid. It’s a shonen series of course. I draw one of the male villains characters in joke-y situations which he finds incredibly humiliating. He seems obsessed with others taking the series very seriously and has picked fights with others for drawing characters in a way he doesn’t like. Nothing really to say, I just wanna bitch here because I don’t want to start drama and pick a fight with an internet autist.

No. 1665043

>>1664400
It's really not nearly impossible. You just have to not suck, "actually do art", be professional, track your expenses and what you charge people properly (including pay your taxes!) and have realistic expectations for your lifestyle. This means working 8 hours a day regularly even when you DON'T have commission work, making sure you can do quality within a reasonable time frame and also charging for that. Like, a 60 USD commission should be doable within 2 hours at the very most, as art is a skilled profession.
What's NOT stable is having to worry every 2-5 years if you're going to stop getting your contract renewed or if your callbacks are going to slow because your style just isn't compatible with the current trends, all on top of needing to work in a highly expensive, trendy area and blow a good deal of your income on required 40$ lunches and 8$ coffees with your bosses and/or corporate clients.

>>1664580
Yea art as a job is NOT for introverts. It's entertainment, you are not just selling the result of what you make but also the whole context around it, which is what makes your art "yours." You can do this very calmly by simply posting almost nothing-but-art (plenty of asian artists do this!) but it's still good to be polite to the people who legitimately enjoy your work and remember that you're working with people, not things.

Introvert jobs are classically things like electrician, AV or telecom tech, plumber, etc. because you're talking with people for <10% of your work hours and primarily just alone in some crawlspace or hole with some problem you need to fix.

No. 1665052

saging because art vent. I stopped drawing for a week or two to focus on another hobby of mine, and i feel like it helped me ease my creative urges while taking a break from art. Now i wanna get back to it, this time determined to get good no matter what. I am so ashamed of my level at my age, but i am definetly going to reach my art goal no matter what. I dont plan to stop from now on, just draw everyday at least 30 mins is my hope. I feel like now i have something else to show for myself i feel free from the invasive thoughs of ''you have to be good at art because its reflects your worth as a an individual''. It's still overwhelming since i am so bad at everything and my goal seems so far away, but i dont feel as stressed anymore.

No. 1665078

>>1665052
Don't worry about your age anon, it really doesn't matter, you have a great drive so keep it up and you'll reach your goal! Just remember to be smart about it and really study, not just draw whatever to fullfill your 30 minutes goal (which is a very good one)
>>1665043
>Yea art as a job is NOT for introverts.
Not true at all, most (if not all) artists I know are introverts, you gotta enjoy your time alone to do it. One doesn't have to be an extrovert to do networking and to, idk, respond to a few comments a day; but I suppose it's just mixing up introversion with being antisocial and these are two different things. Still, with the latter it's possible to have a stable art job in an art related company which I'm a big proponent for, freelance is way overhyped and not for everyone for sure.

No. 1665118

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>>1665078
thanks, i tried doing some figure drawing and i feel like i regressed. I was reading force and i though ''huh finally i get this'', took a break, and now i feel like a complete begginer unable to draw a stickman again. I did a schedule and i am trying to focus on it starting with faces. I always feel so overwhelmed with the amount of stuff you have to study to be able to draw anything remotely good.

No. 1665126

>>1651742
>male-on-female """power play"""
kek
>people don't choose their fantasies just like we don't choose our sexualities
So moids are inherently violent and inherently hate women. Got it.
>>1652958
They try so hard to achieve an authentic anime look and fail miserably. They don't know what makes Japanese anime art style look a certain way. Honestly they should stop trying and instead they should focus on developing an appealing art style that is neither ugly nor a cheap anime imitation.

No. 1665141

>>1653439
This shit is traced/rotoscoped to HELL kekkk

No. 1665143

>>1665141
No, it's not. You can literally find the roughs on sakugabooru. I know for someone used to shitty toon boom animation it's uncomprihensible that something so smooth can be made, but Disney did it way before this animu.

No. 1665147

>>1665143
here is it https://twitter.com/KoroB_Greey86/status/1613701608914968578
I fucking despise when peope diminish artist's talent. This artist is obviously really talented.

No. 1665150

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>>1665143
>>1665147
Alright, so where the fuck is your proof that this person doesn't use 3D models for the more complex drawings?
>Disney did it way before this animu.
Disney used a shit ton of rotoscoping and real-life referencing with recordings they did of real actors you retard

No. 1665153

>>1665150
you dont even know what rotoscoping means

No. 1665156

>>1665043
It's obvious you aren't a professional artist, stop posting misinformation.
>What's NOT stable is having to worry every 2-5 years if you're going to stop getting your contract renewed or if your callbacks are going to slow because your style just isn't compatible with the current trends
Yeah if your fundamentals are so weak that you can't even emulate styles they'll fire you kek

No. 1665160

>>1665043 Art absolutely is the job for introverts. Its actually the perfect career for introverts. You can be a successful artist, and be a full introvert. However, to truly be successful as an artist, and to take your career beyond the standard, extroversion is a must. Especially if you want to network, and land sweeter gigs, that serious money. I notice that these types are also typically men.

No. 1665171

>>1665160
Do people think introverts are socially retarded or what? I'm an introvert in every sense but I still know how to network and sell my work, there is a big difference between professionalism and how I choose to spend my free time as an introvert. You know there are billions of people in the world, right? What makes these assumptions seem correct to you? Because you came up with them? Are you really so ignorant that you can't think of a single successful artist (during their lifetime) who was/is introverted? I wish people would think before making such goofy generalizations.

No. 1665180

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>>1665141
Is rotoscoping a new buzzword? Kek. I'm sick of random nobodies trying to qualify what "real art" is. You can't gatekeep art, regardless of skill level, and tools like these have existed for literal centuries.

No. 1665193

>>1665180
This site has been infested by tards lately, that anon doesnt even know the difference between rotoscoping and what disney animators did, which was referencing.

No. 1665205

>>1665150
This isn't rotoscoped anon just heavily referenced. Snow white was rotoscoped

No. 1665208

>>1665156
Lmfao right they're not even worth replying to it's so clear this isn't their day job. "Just don't suck" cool advice that's totally how being an art professional works kek

No. 1665209

>>1665205
NTA but to be clear she didn't say that that clip of Alice was rotoscoped, she said Disney used rotoscoping and references.

No. 1665213

>>1665208
Samefag but as an aside I'm much happier working on someone's project, some of which I've chosen to work on, over having to drawing a dozen or so OCS a week just to break even lol. Drawing people's OCS isn't exactly my idea of getting to do my own work. I'm already my own boss as a contractor and I get paid way more than commission prices.

No. 1665215

>>1665209
The only animation they roto'd was snow white if we're talking about the classic era I can't speak to the 3d stuff

No. 1665216

>>1665215
Okay, I get you, but that doesn't really make what the anon said untrue kek…

No. 1665217

>>1665180
Motherfucker I never claimed that these techniques haven't existed and been used by pros before. What I'm saying is that the tranime that was used as an example looks rotoscoped as hell, that's it. It's pretty fucking obvious. The animators definitely didn't animate all that shit without using 3D models or something like that.

And the original point was that the average anime doesn't have that level of detail or such a high budget anyway. Most anime doesn't look that good, most Japanese animators aren't that skilled. And most of them certainly don't use reference or 3D models to achieve that three-dimensional look so consistently (or at least, they don't use it to its full potential).

No. 1665221

>>1665216
I honestly wasn't trying to fight just clarifying that that scene wasn't rotoscoped but it's whatever.

No. 1665222

>>1665209
Then post a gif of snow white, she clearly thinks that referencing=rotoscoping!!!1!1 It's probably just a zoomer buzzword because they grew up with tweening and 3D shit. The fact that they think any fucking 2D animation studio actually traces 3D models is baffling.

No. 1665224

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>>1665217
>Source: cause I said so

No. 1665229

>>1665222
Anon I think you're just misreading her post. She knows the Alice clip is a reference, she said rotoscoping AND references. Just because she used the Alice gif and her post said rotoscoping doesn't mean she thinks the Alice clip is rotoscoping, cmon now she isn't speaking in riddles.

No. 1665235

>>1665217
>3D models
holy shit, have you ever fucking played around with a 3D model? 3D models are really unreliabe and making anything as dynamic and fluid as that in 3D would be more time consuming and expensive(and completly unnecesary) than just animating it while referencing a model. God, you are insuferable. Don't talk if you dont know shit about what you are talking about, literally no one has ever traced 3D models for animation because again, it's unreliable, expensive and not fucking neccesary if you have talented artists.

No. 1665238

I think this debate starts to get silly the reason animation won't look as good is always a time and money issue. There are plenty of talented animators literally everywhere and I know people who do freelance animation for Japanese companies but live elsewhere and vice versa for American or french companies.

I never see the point of these arguments it always seems like people are trying to argue one country is way better than the other when often america and Japan have similar issues in animation. Not to mention that teams often end up being somewhat international so if you're arguing people from x place are better it just doesn't hold water. I wasn't fully following this debate so if I'm off the mark just ignore my sperging

No. 1665239

>>1665235
KEK just the idea of fully animating a 3D model to then trace over it in 2D is such a retarded amount of work, I don't understand how this would even be seen as cutting corners.

No. 1665240

>>1665238
I haven't followed it fully myself but you're right regardless.

No. 1665243

>>1665239
Nta but I actually have seen people do this which seems insane to me but I guess if you're more proficient at 3d than it's easier? It does seem incredibly roundabout but I've known people who were dogshit at drawing and so ended up taking to 3d. If you know the shortcuts for 3d perhaps it is easier for those specific people

No. 1665245

>>1665238
it has nothing to do with that, it's anon not knowing shit about animation but giving her 2 cents as if it was the undeniable truth

No. 1665246

>>1665239
yeah, i bet she saw it in spiderverse and her zoomer brain went ''huh this must have been how they did all those cool movies in the 60s!''

No. 1665247

>>1665243
Thats true, people's work flows can vary to such huge degrees I can't be surprised that people actually do that and it works for them

No. 1665248

>>1665243
for drawing maybe but for animation, let alone an animation with perspective and foreshortening its insane

No. 1665249

>>1665247
I've only seen one guy do this and I honestly wonder if it's because he didn't want to go through polishing the 3d lol but he also may have just liked the look better
>>1665248
I'm not sure I follow are you talking about animated bgs? Or animating camera moves?

No. 1665252

>>1665249
we are talking about animating characters… stop jumping into the discussion if you dont even know what its being discussed

No. 1665255

>>1665252
Anon you responded to me I just don't understand your comment.

No. 1665257

>>1665255
I think she was just saying that maybe people use 3D modelling to help with backgrounds but full character animation seems very unrealistic and unlikely to be done using that method

No. 1665261

>>1665243
I haven't been following the conversation, there are some people do this but usually they're already indie animators or have a certain workflow they're more satisfied with. It can be like this: 2D for sketch -> tweaking in 3D for accuracy -> 2D again, or sometimes we call it 2.5D to keep the style of moving models and static background looking consistent.
I'm interested in hearing other anons with different animation experience btw. I tried to scroll up to find the zoomer sperging nona but hopefully she's just embarrassed by how wrong her tiktok selftaught experience was.

No. 1665266

>>1665171
Sure, nobody is saying introverts are unable to also network as a professional, but networking does typically come much easier to extroverted people. The same amount of time spent on networking may be very exhausting to an introverted person while an extrovert may not find that it takes much energy at all, and so even if they're both able to do so it takes a different toll on them. And especially with something like art where there's often not an ideal clear-cut separation between your professional life and your free time, that matters a lot.
Also nobody is saying there aren't any succesful introverted artists around, but those are typically succesful despite their introversion, while the success of extroverted artists is aided by their extroversion.

No. 1665267

>>1665261
Oh yeah I should clarify that the guy I saw doing this was like an independent animator lol. I wish I still had his work to show but I can't for the life of me remember his name. It was an interesting process but definitely not standard by any measure as far as I know and would have been really slow imo especially for an independent project like the one I was on. It just made more sense to hire 2d animators.

No. 1665273

>>1665266
Wow great, I'd love to see your surveys and gathered data on this very objective point you're making wow you're so smart

No. 1665275

>>1665222
I used the Alice gif because it's the one I had.
I'm not even saying rotoscoping or heavily referencing is bad. I know Disney even recycled a lot of their animations during their "Dark Age" and don't think there's anything wrong with that. You're just reading too much into my post.
And the reason I said Disney also rotoscoped and referenced (yes, I did say both things and wasn't implying the Alice gif is rotoscoping) is because someone said "that anime isn't traced, y-y-you're just so used to toonboom animation that you don't even know Disney could animate that smooth without using those techniques" which is false. Now someone is backpedaling and admitting that they did those things, but that there's nothing wrong with rotoscoping or heavy reference (I never even claimed otherwise anyway).

My initial comment about the anime was pointing out that for anime to look so three-dimensional, smooth and realistic and so consistently, usually 3D models or rotoscoping are used (as with vidrel), so it's very, extremely unlikely that was made with the animator's skill alone. There are very good Japanese animators that can do impressive things without reference, but in this case, it's clear they had to use something else. And that technique is obviously missing from a lot of modern frame-by-frame western animation.

By the way, there are good animators in the west, it's just that most networks demand they streamline the character designs and dumb down the animation so it's easier to make new episodes. And as other anon pointed out, most of the animation is done overseas anyway.
Rebecca Sugar actually knows/knew how to animate and had a unique art style before they turned it into the shit we saw on TV. This is a pattern you can see when you look at the initial concept art for some of the current beanmouth cartoons. So clearly the networks are at fault here for killing creativity in western animators, along with some of the major art schools such as CalArts which only want to make uncreative drones so the networks can keep budgets as low as possible by replicating an easy-to-animate style over and over. A lot of western art schools do not invest a lot in offering courses for great old-school animation either, because again, they want to produce uncreative drones that will work on the cheapest cartoons ever. But not all western animation is like this, take the Castlevania cartoon for example. The victims of beanmouth and CalArts style are usually children's cartoons.

Now, subject matter is another thing entirely. One could hardly call a moeshit pedo tranny anime "creative". Just because that show's animation is good, doesn't mean it's not creatively bankrupt. All that skill wasted on coomer shit.

No. 1665291

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>>1665235
>>1665239
That's literally what they did with the sprites in KOF XII (pic related). It took them a long while to finish each character but they did it anyway.
It seems entirely plausible with a high budget and the right staff, which not many anime shows get. We can already see here that budget is a huge contributing factor to quality. And it doesn't necessarily have to be 3D models they could've rotoscoped real people or just "heavily referenced". Whatever the technique, it's very unlikely it was animated purely out of that guy's skill with no reference whatsoever.
And I'm not saying every single shot used 3D models, nor am I saying that the 3d model has to be super detailed and accurate if they did use them. Something basic will suffice too.

>>1665246
My god you are retarded and just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. Read >>1665150 again.
Also even if they didn't use models, they still obviously took advantage of digital drawing tools to perfect each line and frame, tools which weren't available in traditional animation.

No. 1665293

>>1665275
Ntayr, and slightly off topic but the vidrel looks very obviously CGI because of the way it was rendered, and it's for some reason unnaturally slow to me. It feels like the dress and the character should move faster than this?
Btw, I don't have anything against cgi as long as it's done well and looks good, but the vidrel type of cgi usually found in anime looks weird/uncanny to me. Korean and Chinese cgi is the best, and Japanese games cgi (like resident evil, final fantasy, yakuza) looks amazing as well.

No. 1665295

I really just don't even understand what you guys are arguing about at this point.

No. 1665296

>>1665295
Ikr too be honest we all seem to be on the same page but keep talking like we disagree

No. 1665298

Tangentially related but I always thought the opening to the cowboy bebop movie was rotoscoped but learned a while back that it was not. Insane.

No. 1665299

>>1665261
>I tried to scroll up to find the zoomer sperging nona but hopefully she's just embarrassed by how wrong her tiktok selftaught experience was.
There was none, just some retards getting offended over me saying an incredibly three-dimensional looking anime clip looked rotoscoped or traced. I don't know why that's so controversial to say when it's obvious that particular anime is not average by any means in terms of animation quality. Probably some /ic/ scrotes that felt attacked when someone didn't praise their weebshit. This was my first post btw >>1665141 nothing special.

No. 1665300

>>1665296
See that's what I thought too lol, nice to know I'm not going completely insane here

No. 1665302

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No. 1665303

>>1665299
I really don't think any of those replies were moids, and I really wish anons would stop defaulting into assuming that posts that don't agree with them must be a moid. We aren't a monolith, not only that but tone and context aren't easily interpreted through text especially on an imageboard so misunderstandings happen a lot.

No. 1665311

>>1665303
Yeah, I don't think they're moids either, but since they assumed incorrect shit about me first, it's only natural I'd accuse them of being something they're not as well kek

No. 1665314

>>1665311
Aw yeah, you know I love throwing gasoline on fires as well!

No. 1665321

>>1665302
Oh I see. It still has that weird cgi quality to it but I guess it's the coloring/lighting and shading? Like the hair moves as individual thick locks moving, it kinda reminds me of 2016 berserk. But it is impressive that the artist drew all these frames. If only it was for something good. Wish he worked on jojo part 6 instead because they really needed that kek

No. 1665331

>>1665321
Well, the closed captions did specify that the video had been "enhanced" and converted to 60fps (it always looks like fucking shit). Maybe that's why it looks especially weird and uncanny? To be fair I always thought that animation was uncanny too. Realistic movement with anime heads is not a good combination.

No. 1665357

>>1664022
shitting on tiktok zoomer art is funny but let's not get carried away here kek
millenials are the catalyst of "muh style", tumblr red nose and animu shit, just doing it on deviantart and tumblr instead of tiktok and instagram. This is not a new phenomenon and most of the biggest artcows on LC were millenials. The zoomers were doomed from the start

No. 1665559

>>1665150
Holy shit, no1currs is an artist uses model, if its not a grey 1:1 off a modeling figure app or site, an artist is probably using a real person as reference. Most dint draw right over them,but some do map out the porpotions. What that gif is showing is rotoscoping which is different to a degree.

No. 1665573

>>1665559
Samefag, but why are anons saying Snow White is the only rotoscoped Disney film? Pieces of several films have rotoscoping, including Kathryn Beaumont for Alice. Please, dear God, do some damn research. I feel like such an oldfag. Disney did a documentary about the entire process too. Rotoscoping doesn't have to be absolutely identical to the film, but tracing shapes through recorded processes is exactly what they did for Alice in a lot of scenes as well. Then they reused the animation even in other films, just redid the form, kept the rotoscoped animation. I feel like a lot of anons ITT don't understand rotoscoping and only think of it as what the anime Flowers of Evil did (I did enjoy that as well). A lot of super fluid animation scenes in anime also tend to use rotoscoping to a degree that aren't even FoE. Rotoscoping is such a common practice when animating.

No. 1665575

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in all fairly nonnas I love making fan animation so much, it's so demanding but I'm always so inspired after finding MAD vids from niconico douga and bilibili. The crazy amount of efforts spent into something so seemingly shitpost humor was the catalyst of my early internet exposition.
I've made approximately three videos so far, all under 90 seconds for twitter video compression. Took me a whole week to complete just one but completely worth it to sit back and watched everything moved accordingly to my storyboard.

Has anyone made their own fan animation before? How do you feel about your process?

No. 1665576

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>>1665573
Drop pic

No. 1665722

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>>1665573
I personally wouldn't consider it true rotoscoping if it's not used in the final animation. But I guess you could still call it that I just don't think it's entirely accurate personally. I literally have done animation and rotoscoping before. Can we just chalk this up to a difference of opinion though?

Source: http://vintagedisneyalice.blogspot.com/2011/05/courtroom-rotoscope-drawings.html?m=1

No. 1665739

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>>1665299
you are such a newfag, you are so completly misinformed about animation you and dead set on being right even though everyone told you making that quality of cgi/3D models is an insane waste of time. Why is it so difficult for yout to understand there are talented animators? the vast majority of onimai animators have twitte accounts where you can see their art and tell its their actual talent and not some tiktok kiddie attempt at cutting corners while being lazy. Onimai is so well animated because the animators behind it are top-notch.

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>>1665739
also, japan is very open about their techniques, like with the chika animator who outright said it was rotoscoping. There have been artists BANNED out of the industry for rotoscoping and stealing before without making it known. I dont know why this thread sometimes seems deadset on deminishing artist's skill just because they cannot comprehend some people are capable of drawing/animating so realistically. The animators behind onimai also worked on some isekai shit prior to it which also has superb animation quality.

No. 1665749

>>1665748
>This gif
Anon why lol

No. 1665751

>>1665749
dont be a coward its not even nsfw, it's just to show the level of skill behind the show

No. 1665775

>>1665751
Could have literally found any other gif that wasn't a weird upskirt shot. I dont think I a coward for being put off from it

No. 1665793

>>1665748
>>1665147
I hate this moe blob art style so much. Good animation or not, all of this moid-pantering ecchi art is ass.

No. 1665796

>>1665775
its not even an upskirt shot

No. 1665808

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who are some artists who draw really good faces in your opinion? preferably semi-realistic.

No. 1665811

>>1665808
Even Amundsen
Tatsuyuki Tanaka
Winston young
Claire Hummel
Tonci zonjic (tozozozo)
Calum Alexander
Makani

No. 1665816

alright nonas, what's the consensus on toyhou.se? i know it's been around for a few years but i've never actually looked into it until recently.

No. 1665819

>>1665816
Pretty alright site to archive and organize your OCs, not much else. People treat it like it's some special secret club but it's nothing groundbreaking.

No. 1665824

>>1665816
It's really just for autists to feel indicted into something exclusive because it's a novelty really

No. 1665940

what's he doing when he adds the circles to the sides of her head? i have never seen this method before, proko normally ''cuts'' the head

No. 1665945

>>1665940
they were taught back in the early 2000's as a means of mapping the planes of the head; usually on the sides it's kinda flat and iirc it's meant to help with perspective.

No. 1665950

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>>1665945
you mean the skull, right? like this?

No. 1665957

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>>1665940
It's the loomis, method for finding the angle of the head, Proko explains it really well in "How to draw the head from any angle" video.

No. 1665958

>>1665957
thanks nonny i already read loomis, i am just a tard

No. 1665963

>>1665950
Nta but yes

No. 1666000

>>1665950
i'm that anon but aren't they the same thing? really.

No. 1666006

ah fuck tried to draw again after some weeks of hiatus and everything looks like shit. Will i ever be able to draw even faces?
>>1666000
normally the part that isnt facing the camera gets sliced

No. 1666017

>>1665722
Anon, please tell me you're joking. Saying you've done this type of work yet can't understand rotoscoping when you see it. This is what true rotoscoping is. She's stylized. Seriously, do research. You're post literally post proves my point even more.

No. 1666068

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I love mgong old style and it makes me so sad she ditched it for generic painterly artwork. For me the right looks exactly like >>1663969 it's not ugly or bad, just such a downgrade. I am so sad.

No. 1666074

>>1666017
Those specific drawings are rotoscoped, the final animation is not. I do understand what they did. Even in the post I linked they disagree on whether or not it's true rotoscoping, read the comments.

No. 1666082

>>1666074
I honestly don't want to get into a pointless argument here. I agree they used rotoscoping techniques just don't agree with it being true rotoscoping, to me it's akin to heavy referencing and studies.

No. 1666096

>>1666068
What on the right do you relate to the other piece? Is it the colors or the shadows not being so intense like in her old cel shading style? I feel she still uses her previous cel shading style, but now she blends it more and uses less contrasting colors.

No. 1666141

>>1665078
Introversion = "loses energy from interacting with people, gaining energy from being alone" while extroversion is the opposite. Art as a job SPECIFICALLY is primarily one of communication. Work is work. If you're an introvert, that makes the work of an artist extra hard. It's really not a career for true introverts, so for their mental health they're often better off making art in their free-time and doing a less mentally-taxing job to sustain themselves. A lot of people who think they're introverts actually aren't, they just, as you pointed out, antisocial, anxiety issues, etc. Those can be overcome to be an artist (especially on the internet.)

Company work just sucks though, people who want that are either naiive and don't know how stressful and unfriendly it can be or manipulative social-power-game psychos who would be cows if they were doing their bullshit online instead of in person.

>>1665156
So many "professional industry artists" are so fucking bad it's unreal. Look at this garbage: https://www.yuminghuangart.com/

>>1665160
"Beyond the standard" tbh is "not starving and not bootlicking" in this case. There's nothing wrong with having art as a hobby and using it for some side money once in a while but if you're an introvert you're really not gonna be able to keep up with the networking needed to successfully stand on your own.

>>1665213
If you're actually good then you can get an easy 50k a year without needing to grind a dozen OCs a week. Plus you can live in someplace cheap and peaceful instead of needing to blow money by being near a studio.

But you sound like you might just be an insect so living in a hive might suit you more, idk

>>1665266
Yep 100%. A lot of people get into art-as-a-job bright eyed and hopeful and then get crushed by the amount of work it is. There is no shame in doing "art for art's sake" while having another job.

No. 1666143

>>1666141
>Art as a job SPECIFICALLY is primarily one of communication
While I agree that art is a form of communication it's still a lot more suited for an introvert than say, working as a shop assistant or being a teacher. A lot of the work is typically done alone without interacting with people even though you do check ups in between. If I spend 1 hour a day on communicating with clients and 7 actually doing art that's a good deal for an introvert.

No. 1666144

>>1666141
You sound bitter

No. 1666146

>>1666141
>So many "professional industry artists" are so fucking bad it's unreal. Look at this garbage: https://www.yuminghuangart.com/
Her art looks good and bad at the same time, I don't know how to explain it

No. 1666148

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>>1666141
>https://www.yuminghuangart.com/
no fucking way that person works professionally. Is her ''professional'' job illustrating shady mobile phone ads for cents? she also traces and its very, very obvious. Where did all the cool pro artists like frazetta went? I swear i havent seen a single non nsfw artist on the level of pre internet era professional artists. A month or so ago they were talking about how some loli vtuber artist was some pixar artist and i couldn't believe it, her art is so fucking bad. I wonder if Disney artists still attend figure drawing classes, do they even have artists in-house that can animate in 2D? I know CN cartoon creators cant draw beyond shitty doodles, which is pathetic.

No. 1666149

People are forgetting art is really just any other job, some people will be memorable but a lot will be mediocre but get the job done kek.
>>1666141
I mostly agree with what you said but watch your spacing and integrate anon. Not following introversion or extroversion but you're fucked in nearly every job that requires you to work with a team if you aren't comfortable communicating with new people. Shit gets tiring when overworked no matter what you identify your mbti as.
>>1666146
technically skilled but weird application and execution.

No. 1666150

>>1666149
what do you gain from justifying mediocrity? not only you are justifying lazy artists but also spitting on the grave of old masters whose art is still memorable to this day, and encouraging a more soulless boring uncreative world like the one we have today. Leyendecker also got ''the job done ecksdee'' but his art is amazing. Stop justifying mediocre artists. You are like those spergs justifying yoko onno screaming. No wonder we get nothing but remakes and calarts shit, people truly just dont give a shit about art anymore.

No. 1666151

>>1666150
Thanks for the laugh.

No. 1666152

>>1666148
There's literally plenty of illustrators that ape this style, especially for things like magic the gathering and other fantasy illustrations.

No. 1666153

>>1666152
lmao nah, i like fantasy and most fantasy illustration nowadays is extremely tacky and ugly, specially magic the gathering. I know the guy you are refering too and he's only ''good'' when he copies frazetta, otherwise he's just another copypasted generic artstation artist.

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No. 1666156

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>>1666154
you cant compare me this guy who makes literal ads for shitty mobile phone games and abuses every single photoshop brush under the sun to Frazetta and not expect me to laugh in your face

No. 1666161

>>1666156
I quite literally never gave an artists name to begin with

No. 1666162

Anon when they realize they has less than a week to churn off a concept art to pass to the 3d artist and today's batch of revisions just arrived.

No. 1666163

>>1665808
Sakamoto Shinichi, especially in "the climber"
Takehiko Inoue
Naoki Urasawa, he's very good at drawing different features of different ethnicities imo
Hirohiko Araki, minus the eyes I like the way he draws faces, especially around part 7 and 8 and his standalone art pieces

No. 1666164

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>>1666161
he's the only one who copies frazetta and worked for magic the gathering. It's a shame modern artists have to resort to copying popular artists instead of developing their own identity

No. 1666166

>>1666164
Yeah cause older artists never did that. There's literally so many artists that work on magic the gathering and no he was not the one I was thinking of jfc

No. 1666168

>>1666166
lmao the fact there are several artists that after all those years still copy frazetta while none of them have any real identity just shows the state of art. How pathetic.

No. 1666169

>>1666168
You sound mentally ill(infighting)

No. 1666170

>>1666169
are you 12?(infighting)

No. 1666181

Nonnas, please stop responding to a kid who doesn't know anything about the art industry (or having a full time job kek). She starts the same argument every day.

No. 1666189

>>1666181
not everyone is your boogeyman, it's the first time i post in weeks. Having a job and being part of the industry didnt stop older artists from making actually good art, so it's just really a cop out to justify lazy artists that have every fucking tool and resource under the sun to make good art yet still make garbage.

No. 1666190

>>1666181
You're right my bad kek

No. 1666195

''art is just another job'' ''you dont know anything about the industry'' it's such a dumb hill to die on. Do you think old artists worked for free? lmao, i hope you are actually dumb industry drones and not defending fucking corporate slop for free

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Recently saw yet another tracing scandal where the person sold the traced art in an artist alley. I wonder if anynona has crazy tracing and or AA stories to share. https://twitter.com/EstellaSolaris/status/1691112519887429632 Though these bootleg would get less policed in other cons where T-shirt printers can just sell anime promo art on merch and make more money than those in AA kek.

>>1666181
Is this the first time they're posting? I don't remember this obsession with le old masters from previous threads though I don't check often enough.

No. 1666202

Whoever thinks those comments are defending corporations, I'll be praying for their literacy to get better ♥

No. 1666207

>>1666199
Ntayrt
I remember a similar argument happening a thread or two ago although about different artists but same concept.

No. 1666211

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>>1666199
my country has the craziest story of tracing
>live in cancerous populist third world shithole
>national museum buys a lot of shitty animu inspired eva peron art
>looks like they are made by a elementary schooler that got brain damage from sniffing too much glue and watching naruto 24/7
>its actually from a ''professional'' 37yo libfem artist
>turns out the vast majority are heavily traced
>the original artists start comming out to call out for tracing
>she gets dunk on by news, cringy online antifeminist guys, anime fans
>refuses to accept she traces and says its just ''inspired''
>before closing her fb account she said
>''I'm being attacked by a bunch of anime fans, who call me a plagiarist for using manga references in my paintings. Kids, the whole history of art is the representation of images that already exist, please read up on them.''
>it's actualy way more condescending in spanish but there is no way to translate it verbatim

No. 1666213

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No. 1666217

>>1666213
she sold all of these for 1-3ks and earned at least 30k USD in 2021

No. 1666220

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>>1666217
dropped pic, there are a bazillion of these and they are all equally shit

No. 1666223

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No. 1666224

>>1666211
Holy shit kek. Been noticing a pattern where the ones who would know anything about (lib) feminism are likely rich spoiled kids who are super out of touch in reality in third world countries unfortunately.
>>1666213
>>1666220
It would be so earnest-looking if it wasn't a 30 year old doing some money laundering shit.

No. 1666229

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she traced the same drawing TWICE
>>1666224
its something i would make in art class in elementary school, we deserve everything bad that happens to us honestly

No. 1666230

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>>1666229
there is also something genuinely funny about a libfem tracing animu coombait drawings

No. 1666234

>>1666148
Why is it every time anons here whine about “where have all the good artists gone???” they only post moid catering fantasy artists like Frazetta and act like men who 90% of the time draw naked men and women in loincloths with their cheeks hanging out are the pinnacle of the art world. Absolute dorito dust crusted fingers opinions

>>1666213
This leaves out that the art being plagiarized is fanart of My Little Pony, I think it’s supposed to be Rainbow Dash?

No. 1666236

>>1666234
Frazetta is fucking cool though, cant say the same for modern fantasy shit that's coomery and ugly as fuck, not even a single redeeming quality

No. 1666239

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>>1666236
>Frazetta
>Not coomery
You have to be baiting

No. 1666241

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>>1666239
never said he wasnt coomery, just that modern artists are equally coomery but cant even do non coomer cool shit like pic rel

No. 1666246

>>1665816
Useful for keeping track of your OCs and art but do not interact with the userbase. It's nothing but gendies and minors that will write PSAs on you for shipping characters with 1-2 year age differences kek. There are like 3 different drama blogs for the place if that says anything about it to you. My advice is to upload everything privately and ignore the retards.

No. 1666247

>>1666234
I swear this is like the third or fourth time I've seen one of these anons and they're always like "no one can ever do art like this" and clearly have the worst library of artists imaginable

No. 1666248

>>1666247
>the worst library of artists imaginable
kek all of this just from saying i like frazetta? he isnt even shitty and your run of the mill animu seasonal anime popular with zoomies is way more perverted than amazonas and buff guys in loincloths.

No. 1666250

>>1666248
No I'm saying you have limited knowledge of artists, your visual library is small

No. 1666252

>>1666250
you don't know me wtf kek

No. 1666259

>>1665816
Too lazy to update mine but good for keeping oc art and info. There's a huge OC adoption scene in the community I think. I know people who will spend time designing the html of their ocs too if that's your thing. Only if you get the premium or whatever though.

No. 1666288

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Everytime I started a new topic question and every of you still manage to find a way to start infightings, so what I'm getting from couple of posts
>everyone's preferred animation method is different
>everyone's preferred art style, including facial features are different. Consider geography cultural varieties, and also a matter of personal taste
>stop bitching about terminology, include your source before flexing would help shitting the thread less

No. 1666297

>>1666241
Art is truly subjective, this looks so boring to me. Boring composition, boring colors, boring subject matter. But if you talk shit about Frazetta in public around any artists you'd probably get blacklisted kek

No. 1666312

>>1666297
You only find it boring because every artist ripped him off to the point his stuff seems extremely cliche now, stupid zoomie. Back then he was a trend setter and thats why up to this day, even post mortem, he still gets artbooks published. This thread is so incredibly condescending and dumb sometimes. Its like watching Miami Vice and complaining its boring because zoomers make aesthetic synthwave edits now when at the time it was something completly new and never seen before. And even if he's so boring coomery yucky vile as you guys think, there is still not a single modern artist that comes close to his skill, let alone any artist who will be remembered years later, hell that greg rottinski guy or whatever he's called is the most popular concept artist nowadays and he doesnt have a single artbook because all his shit is so fucking boring. I dont know why it makes you so fucking angry, the boring ass LOL banner artists so many of you are defending who make the most boring safe shit imaginable actually have nsfw side accs where they draw futanari yordles, miles worse than women in bikini armors.

No. 1666328

>>1666312
Anon your entire gripe about this is how we will never attain this level of greatness and that's partly because we "justify mediocrity". What you don't understand is how different the situation is in the industry (and take note, there's multiple industries being animation, live action movies, games) than the time Franzetta rose to popularity. You really sound like you know jack shit about either industries because you keep mixing up illustration work with concept work (which can be sketchy, messy, just clean enough for the next person in the pipeline to understand.), and even fine art. You don't fucking understand how unmemorable renderer artist #903 makes mediocre work like that because her stability to submit competent artworks on time and sort her folders properly is actually her best strength in a tight deadline than just whatever thing you're measuring for Franzetta. Not to mention so many artists are not paid well, like at all. Many artists are also held back by directors and even producers, the latter of which sometimes don't know anything about art. It's so fucking rich you'd blame people who work or understands the industry to why sequels and remakes are getting produced nowadays as if it's the small artists in this drama imageboard are the writers or IP shareholders who pitch shit to producers.

No. 1666355

>>1666328
How are you so dense? How can you tell me i am making an unfair comparison when greg ruttowski is heavily inspired by frazetta. Both do illustration work. I dont believe in "muh time" excuses, they have all the shortcuts available yet still produce garbage. Also again you are pretending as if older artists didnt have to work on a tight schedule and with even heavier limitations. Artists nowadays have it easier than ever, you dont even need a studio anymore. So there is no excuse to make worse art than 40 years ago.

No. 1666364

>>1666328
Anon there's no point they're deeply fucking retarded lol that or a literal minor. Just ignore.

No. 1666380

>>1666364
They're so fucking stupid. I just wanted to engage with them as honestly as I can to teach them shit but they are just always intellectually dishonest. Anyway I'm gonna go submit my ocs to my art director tomorrow because I know it's a better art style than the current project brb.

No. 1666417

Is there any reason as to why toyhou.se is still an invite only site after all those years?

No. 1666454

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The discourse around High Guardian Spice was a trip. It's basically the worst cartoon ever produced, it fails on every metric from worldbuilding to writing to voice-acting to character designs (they have straight up rip-offs from Madoka and Tokyo mew Mew), to animation quality. And the lead writer was a tim and made two of the characters troon out.

(took me forever to figure out where i'd seen olive's design–it's tokyo black cat girl, a tokyo mew mew one-shot…side story?) Look how blatant it is. same hair style, same dress cut and bodice, same color scheme. it's just so fucking ugly and awful on every level and the staff threw a fit when people criticized it. the animation was stiff, poorly done, and looks like a cartoon for 7 year olds. they had 3 years and a HUGE budget and came back with this. the way the characters move is like they're neckless stiff cardboard cutouts, it's janky all over and super generic and lazy.

No. 1666495

>>1666312
I think you should go to a museum sometime instead of assuming everyone only cares about artists that make trading card and videogame art. I’m not going to doubt you’re female but your taste in art and attitude are like you only browse /ic/ and read Heavy Metal storytimes on /co/

>>1666454
The opening of this show also copied Azumanga Daioh. It’s creator was more or less a 2000s weeaboo that got access to an entire studio to make their dated web comics into a show (her current art is incredibly mediocre as well, draws awkward BL stuff like a teen weeb would), and they blew it while blaming how shitty it turned out to be on everyone else that was involved

No. 1666502

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>>1666495
Also, I’m not sure if Raye is working on anything in animation now but they charge $150 for portraits that look like this

No. 1666522

>>1666454
The thing that annoys me so much about these types of designs, is that they're never nice. Like precure can makes so many cute different magical girl outfits, some not even particularly complex depending on the season (like Heartcatch) and yet they can't make the main character look even slightly appealing. Like why even bother at all with the faux armor look when all you do is give the character shit brown 80's shoulderpads?

No. 1666563

>>1666522
I think the reason is that 99% of the time those people don't actually understand why the original design is good, so when they try to recreate it all they can come up with is a cheap-looking knockoff. Just look at the HGS protagonist and Madoka- the reference is quite obvious but because HGS' creator is just your regular gendie weeb they didn't stop to think "okay, but why is Madoka's design so nice? What makes it eyecatching and original?", they just went "Madoka wears a poofy pink dress with pink hair so I'll also make a poofy pink dress with pink hair girl".

It's why I hate most modern cartoons + particularly reboots that are very obviously inspired by 90's and early 00's anime. They all look like cheap knockoffs because the team didn't stop to think what made their favourite anime/design good or why exactly their favourite anime/designs were good, they just list out the things they like and then try to make their own version without a drop of substance. It's no wonder why HGS feels like a blatant shitty "weeb tries to make their own anime".

No. 1666565

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>>1666522
Ostensibly, simple designs facilitate easier fluid animation… but the animation is stiff and amateur. The characters just do not move or bend, no cool flashy animation and perspectives like you can see in Trigger anime, no complex fight choreography like samurai champloo; most of it is just people standing around talking. I think part of the issue is the heads are too big and bodies bloated and fat, you can especially see it in the adults, the proportions are excessively cartoony and stunted. Thick bodies work for Bee and Puppycat because that isnt' focusing on dynamic animation, but rather aesthetic style. HGS doesn't have aesthetics, it's exceedingly generic and plain to the point it's a slice of untoasted white bread. They attend ripoff-Hogwards in generic fantasy world with magic involving wands, staffs, and runes. No creativity. BaPC is like dreamwave lofi fairytale and digital glitter. What is HGS? No direction.

Take ATLA. You can tell which episode a still came from by the color direction alone. The ep with Jeong Jeong had a lot of yellows, the first 2 eps in the southern water tribe when he meets Katara have this sailor moon pastels scheme, boiling rock uses dark gritty colors, the Jet episode had reds. it makes for a dream-like vibe. HGS…didn't do this. It all looks the same all the time, the art direction is lackluster. So why are the character designs so simplistic? What did they do with that flexibility?

It's lazy and mediocre in every facet, like no one enjoyed working on it and they didn't want to be there. They just didn't give a shit. And they had a huge budget. Princess Tutu and Utena had shoestring budgets and look fabulous because of thoughtful direction. HGS looks like a breakfast cereal advertisement.

No. 1666587

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Tranny kissasses ruining every anime in existed with their weird HC why does kakyoin have to be a tranny? Just Cus he was a LITTLE skinny compared to the other stardust crusaders?

No. 1666595

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>>1666587
I mean, the artist views Jotaro as mtf too, just more masculine. But whenever a fanartist develops headcanons and designs like that instead of making an OC I have to wonder why. I guess it takes away most of the work of writing a personality and backstory and posting online will net you more followers than simply posting your OCs, but I don't understand why anyone would insist that these new versions are the same characters as in the source

No. 1666599

>>1666595
That's pretty much it though. 1. clout they get from those hcs and 2. like you said it's much easier to use an already existing character than to make an oc

No. 1666601

>>1666599
nta but while it's easier than to make an OC, at this point with this many changes it's so far off from the actual character it might as well be an OC anyway.

No. 1666611

>>1666595
>the artist views Jotaro as mtf too,
At this point, why not just an OC buff Japanese MTF then, no one would possibly think its ripping off Jotaro.

No. 1666614

>>1666595
Fr Jotaro was not safe lmfao
When I first saw it I thought these were of characters but I read the comments and it was jojo
It sucks because I liked their style and animations

No. 1666718

>>1666595
Imo her art would probably be more popular if they were just random OCs since y2k art and fashion is still trendy. I think her style is cute but it's easier for me to ignore the cringe since I've never seen jjba.

No. 1666772

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https://archive.li/h4XXo
All vivzie has to do is not be retarded! she already won and got her dream projects, there's no need to try to clout farm like that

>>1666148
>Where did all the cool pro artists like frazetta went?
Gatekept out by narcissistic sociopaths taking over the industry, then hiring less-smart narcissistic sociopaths who won't threaten them
>>1666150
>what do you gain from justifying mediocrity?
It's a wagon-circling technique.
>>1666189
>it's just really a cop out to justify lazy artists
true
>>1666195
>i hope you are actually dumb industry drones and not defending fucking corporate slop for free
A lot of people are practicing for their hopeful job where they eat the anus of a harvey weinstein lookalike in the hopes of securing a greenlight. I want to say only metaphorically but really you can't be sure anymore
>>1666312
real. I only know rutkowski by name because of him and his orbiter-friends flipping out over AI
>>1666328
>nmemorable renderer artist #903 makes mediocre work like that because her stability to submit competent artworks on time and sort her folders properly is actually her best strength in a tight deadline
The portfolios of thos people are full of trash that only advertises "I'm cheap and desperate" because they don't work on their skills in their own time, which makes the problem worse

No. 1666791

>>1666595
is this not the guy from daria?

No. 1666794

>>1666587
I love the style but the tranny Jojo shit ruins it, and almost every style I’ve seen like it has trannies attached.

No. 1666807

>>1666587
Most of the “hate” she gets isn’t even hate, it’s literally other troons and TRAs going “Feminine transboiz are valid but why not just make an OC? (ur valid btw!!)” or “I’m sorry, but this looks like regular m/f. (ur valid btw!!)”

No. 1666816

Wish there could be actual talk about the problems with art and creative industries without the insane hyperbole and misinformation.

No. 1666824

>>1666312
>there is still not a single modern artist that comes close to his skill

This is objectively wrong kek the only art being made today is not the boring fantasy art you consume on art station, try going outside sometime

No. 1666833

>>1666824
just assume this is some form of projection with their own skill level at this point

No. 1666887

>>1666380
Lol so you are an industry drone! Go queen go submit your faux anime sparkle dogs to replace the fat genderspecial disney inspired blobs! Save the industry one shitty donut steel at the time. You are such a joke.(infighting)

No. 1666944

>>1665039
Sounds like you're doing something right, Nonna. Keep drawing!

No. 1666948

>>1665039
Let me guess, My Hero Academia?

No. 1666956

>>1666816
same here, seems like just a few anons getting their ego bruised and somehow need to retaliate "industry bad" vs "indie bad" or vice versa. Almost feels like reading my shitty local artist community drama while in reality every of them cant figure out how to negotiate their contracts. I'm just embarrassed reading these.
>>1666502
Are you the same anon that posted about some furry colored art was too high for 70 dollars or something. Are you just posting these to cope because no one bought your commissions nonnie?
I'm the same anon asked a few threads back about 2023 is bad year for commission artists, I've been doing this for living and this is a normal price.

No. 1666970

>>1666355
>I dont believe in "muh time" excuses, they have all the shortcuts available yet still produce garbage. Also again you are pretending as if older artists didnt have to work on a tight schedule and with even heavier limitations. Artists nowadays have it easier than ever, you dont even need a studio anymore. So there is no excuse to make worse art than 40 years ago.
100%
But what got us to this bleak point is that art is no longer something you go to school for or get a mentored into. For the past decade or so, young artists have been learning off youtube and pinterest tutorials and 99% of them know jack shit outside of what Jazza, Proko, or some doughfaced cottagecore influencer tells them. I died when I saw a reddit post asking if Blick is a reputable place to buy art supplies from. Unbelievable…
Despite all the bleating that digital art iS jUst as gOoD AS TRaDiTioNal aRt, it will forever be the most low-effort medium, and is responsible for the plethora generic garbage online and rise of AI imagery. At least with traditional art, artists had to make a very conscious effort to create trash.

No. 1666974

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>>1666816
Start it yourself. Otherwise it's gonna be this blind dumbass leading the other blind idiot because they don't accept reality from someone working under an art job kek (or any art tangential job). I genuinely pray for them to have better literacy! Overnight, hopefully.

No. 1666998

>>1666974
I've tried nona. It's unfortunate because I think anons have some insightful things to say but then the dunning Kruger force comes along and it turns into ridiculous infighting.

No. 1667015

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>>1666587
The gendie thing is weird but it doesn't really need a reason why to happen. Pic rel just blorbofied Jesse and Ash's mom. Its a shame because I like that person's style.

No. 1667020

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>>1666974
ofcourse a wojak poster is fucking retarded. Cartoons nowadays arent even animated in-house anymore. All the fat ass troons who work in modern cartoons have to do is make some shitty scribbles for storyboards then send them over to the korean sweatshop to be animated by actual artists. Also, for someone calling others out for ''illiteracy'' your shitty wojak meme doesn't even make sense, people complain that the designs look all the same and ugly, not the animation. Such a bunch of whiny babies working in LA thinking they are exploited because their bosses tell them to stop posting hot takes on twitter to actually finish stryboarding the extremely simplistic blob cartoon.

No. 1667024

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>>1667015
I meant to add she writes an ongoing series of small comics about them with wide reach

No. 1667033

>>1667024
>lol
what's there to laugh out loud about? where's the joke?

No. 1667053

>>1667020
Bestie, here, at least insult me accurately because you keep misinterpreting and inserting meaning where there's none. I posted the wojak meme you're so mad about because it encapsulates the situation. I didn't make it. Another thing it's interesting you think said sweatshop or animators can't complain about the exact same thing. And you're so murrica centric you forget lc posters can be from other parts of the country. I'm from a a third world country where animation studios are not a lot. And as you say the most profitable work is the ones outsourced from countries (hopefully with money) I don't work under a strict animation studio but had to wear many hats including animation and have worked closely with those who left the industry.
>>1666998
Understandable.

No. 1667063

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>>1667020
>Such a bunch of whiny babies working in LA thinking they are exploited because their bosses tell them to stop posting hot takes on twitter to actually finish stryboarding the extremely simplistic blob cartoon.
nta but hearing them whine online is annoying when even as trainees they get paid better than most americans ever will.

No. 1667066

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>omg the poor exploited modern western animators who have to work 5 hours drawing the simplistic blob going from point a to point b on computers, with stabilization and ctrl z and with a retard that tells them not to worry about following reference sheets ''because its their style uwu''
>vs the western storyboard from the 80s who has to work in paper, with crazy christian and corporation restrictions to the point if they accidentally fuck up the reference they still have to stick to it untils its fixed and approved and THEN they have to re do it
yeah no, go have a pity party somewhere else. Working in the industry nowadays it's an extremely privileged job, you are getting paid to make art so at least make something good. You have no excuses, fucking toy commercials from the 80s have better designs than modern cartoons.

No. 1667076

>>1667053
we are talking about big corporations not your shitty local studio, stop feeling personally attacked for everything jesus christ

No. 1667097

>>1667076
Didn't you or someone criticized mobile art and not thinking time crunch is a genuine excuse lol? Be consistent.

No. 1667108

>>1667097
i seriousy doubt time was a problem for >>1666156
otherwise why would you waste time rendering every single one of his chest hairs instead of making a better composition with more interesting colors

No. 1667111

>>1667108
You seem to know a lot. Don't tell me you're work in the industry?

No. 1667117

>>1667111
thank god no, there isnt enough money in the world to pay me to work alngside troons and untalented hacks

No. 1667128

Not this shit again

No. 1667158

>>1667128
Right….

No. 1667170

>>1667144
No, but by their logic they arent criticizing individual artists but big corporations after all kek. You're right though. At least they admitted something.

No. 1667171

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No. 1667178

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>>1667144
stop playing the victim. storyboarders in the 80s also didnt choose to work on shit but they made a better job, whats your excuse? this thread is filled with industry drones who feel entitled to be pitied and patted on the back for doing something that has been done better before in worse conditions. No one envies industry artists, the vast majority of artists see industry hacks as rich kids who payed to learn the same shit teenage self taught artists learn with youtube and to get connections. The state of the industry is dire, with heavily untalented artists who cant draw for shit yet complain when normal people with 2 working eyes dont want to see their ugly scribbles. It's like feeling jealous of sakimichan making 10k drawing coom.

No. 1667182

>>1667170
I doubt they know the difference between a beat board and a storyboard so it's just not worth it

No. 1667210

>>1667182
i do, they just look the fucking same to storyboards nowadays because the artists you are so keen on defending are so bad at drawing

No. 1667260

I'm going to go shiczo I hate it that a client gives me a deadline and now doesn't reply to me(thank fully I took money unfront) it's more frustrating that they've commissioned me for a artstyle I don't do so it's been twice a headache for me . How do you cope with these clients without pulling your hair out?

No. 1667267

>>1667260
I just complain to my friends and power through it lol. Sometimes you can negotiate with them but most of the time that's an impossibility

No. 1667313

>>1667260
Tolerated it once and in my case the commissioner just wanted to do paint overs on other people's works, he did it a lot on other artists I recommended to him and felt bad kek. Depends on how good the money is, maybe deny their request if there's a next time. Seconding venting and private and keep at it.

No. 1667342

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>>1666312
>>1666241
>>1666236
>Frank Frazetta
>just bikini armor

No. 1667345

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No. 1667346

>>1667342
Desperately wish I didn't un-spoiler that holy fuck

No. 1667347

>>1667342
why are you posting his personal art as if it proves anything? modern professionals artist draw worse shit and its actually public

No. 1667362

>>1667342
White male obsession with black virility is disturbing

No. 1667365

>>1667347
You made a claim, and it was wrong. "J-Just bikini armor" no, he was also a degenerate coomer just like modern artists or worse. Deal with it, kekk

No. 1667368

>>1667342
>>1667345
men are so disappointing

No. 1667371

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>>1667360
i was obviously refeering to his professional art. You are so desperate to win an internet fight you went on to find his weird black porn he drew on his personal time to try to ''own'' me. You are so fucking pathetic. The modern uwu poow baby cinnamon roll concept artist with ''super tight schedule'' nowadays draws way worse shit and they are shameless enough to post it on the internet. I already gave you the example of the yordle lol artist who draws yordle futanari in the same style as his lol splashcards and there was also a valorant artist that i think was posted ITT before that had a baraag account, oh and the rat vtuber pedo loli who works for pixar and draws lolishit.

No. 1667373

>>1667371
Damn I don't know what this debate is about but this image is absolutely fantastic

No. 1667374

>>1667342
I've always desperately hated the way he paints and draws women's faces. It's like that playboy artist style it actually reminds me of one of those artists but I'm blanking on his name right now it's like socol?

No. 1667376

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>>1667373
yeah i miss old school fantasy a lot and i hate troons, hacks, lol and artstation for ruining it. His inked works were fantastic too.

No. 1667377

>>1667376
Thank you for sharing nonnie

No. 1667379

>>1667371
Not reading all that shit, I wasn't part of your argument. You just lied, Frazetta was indeed a coomer. He'd most likely be drawing futanari rat loli BNWO for fun today, and that's assuming he'd ever start drawing in the first place with the explosion of porn in the current age. Cope and mald and keep sucking his dick.

No. 1667381

>>1667379
lmao industry drones seething at old masters, go cry about how you get ''exploited''

No. 1667382

File: 1692251926257.jpeg (1.47 MB, 2014x3000, lf.jpeg)

>>1667374
Nvm it's sokol my bad this was the artist I was thinking of

No. 1667383

>>1667381
Projecting hard, coomer

No. 1667387

>>1667383
a coomer draws better than modern industry artists and (you), sad(infighting)

No. 1667391

>>1667387
I'm glad you can at least admit he's a coomer now after the miles of excuses kek

No. 1667392

>>1667391
it doesnt matter what i post you are dead set on calling him a coomer so i might as well given in and give you that. Even though he would be called a vanila christian by modern artists who draw way worse shit.

No. 1667393

>>1667392
In no world is that shit "vanilla", are you into the same things?(infighting)

No. 1667395

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>>1667393
how is this not vanilla? you literally see worse things on tiktok. Or are you still hyperfocused on his personal drawings he did for himself and are comparing it to the shit gross coomers nowadays post online for everyone to see?

No. 1667396

>>1667395
Fucked up BBC interracial ugly bastard porn isn't normal, please get help.(infighting)

No. 1667399

>>1667396
shadman used to post his loli shit on facebook and got to collab with various ecelebs at the time. Even his more porny drawings, he did in the safety of his home for anyone but him to see are still miles more mild than that. You have people like modeseven who are also ''professionals'' drawing femboys made of shit shitting while riding a bike on a land made of poo

No. 1667403

>>1667399
Multiple men can be degenerates, kek

No. 1667405

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>she's developed coombrained from underaged exposure to 4moids.

No. 1667407

>>1667403
>moving the goalpost again
we are talking about professional artists

No. 1667413

>>1667407
Wdym "again"? You've actually been moving the goalpost from Frazetta to other artists (and how is Shadman a professional? Maybe to /ic/ scrotes, kek). I'm pointing out that your other coomer artists being degenerates doesn't make Frazetta normal or vanilla by any metric. They're all coomers.(stop infighting/derailing then reporting each other)

No. 1667414

>>1667413
my point was that frazetta mogs the vast majority if not all modern artists, and instead of ''ptoving me wrong'' by posting artists who have his level of skill and appeal you butthurt autistis hyperfcused on him being a coomer, as if that means something when most artists nowadays are coomers and are mile worse.(stop infighting/derailing then reporting each other)

No. 1667415

>>1667413
My goddd please shut uppppp

No. 1667416

>>1667414
My point is that he was a pervert and his fetishes were not "vanilla" unless you are a literal porn addict. I don't care about proving you wrong on his skill, I'm saying to stop the revisionism.

No. 1667418

>>1667416
bikini armor(the stuff he's know for) IS vanilla lmao, fi you decide to hyperfocus on his porn shit he did for himself and literally no one was supposed to see that's on you, but frazetta isnt known for that

No. 1667419

>>1667418
>muh bikini armor
We're talking about the racist BBC shit here: >>1667342
Try again(infighting)

No. 1667422

>>1667419
no, YOU autist are talking about that. Frazetta isnt know for his bbc shit(if i remember correctly it was found and published post morten)

No. 1667424

>>1667422
Keep moving those goalposts. Shadman would still be a degenerate if he hid his fucked up hentai, and the same is true for (You).

No. 1667427

>>1667424
project anon, project

No. 1667428

>>1667427
You're the only one ITT insisting coomer BBC porn is normal and vanilla, sorry

No. 1667431

>>1667428
no i am not, i was refering to the bikini armor stuff but you had to make it about the bbc porn i am 100% sure you are moid because ic moids are also obssesed with it

No. 1667435

>>1667431
You're most likely to be an /ic/ moid because they're the ones who suck his dick the most and think these sorts of fetishes are "normal" because their whole life was spent on 4chan. You even talk like one.

No. 1667437

I don't understand the extreme caping for frazetta when there are far more interesting artists from that era who could actually draw women. Bizarre.

No. 1667438

do we need to go on these long ass tangents every time a male artist is mentioned

No. 1667441

>>1667260
Happened many times to me before. Here's some tips: Whether it's communicating about payment deadline or a response from client after you've turned in your sketches or completed work, give them a deadline to respond back to you.
Clients are busy people too, although it's also a good discipline to be transparent about your wait-time boundaries. Is there any extra step you need to do after turning in your commission? If so, state it in your terms of service next time.

No. 1667443

>>1665275
I think rotoscoping looks really bad and out of place if the whole thing isn't rotoscoped. Too heavily referencing from sequences of movement from 3D or real life looks bad too if it's out of place with the rest. And it's a faulty approach in any case because it limits the unique freedom of 2D animation. Skilled less is more is way better than putting the labour into something that is closer to copying to awkwardly transplant a different medium. Also makes a lot of work for very little gain, instead of putting resources elsewhere.

MAPPA or whoever makes these decisions keeps mixing random rotoscoped scenes in anime like attack on titan and vinland saga, and it always looks awful and actually cringeworthy.

No. 1667464

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It is very obvious that the frazetta defender is a troll((most likely a moid/troon). While I can acknowledge that he was skilled, I always assumed he was some type of early porn addict who most likely referenced his images from porn magazines. They are correct in their assumption that artists in the past were far more skilled than modern artists(mostly cause anyone had to learn to draw still to life to even be considered an artist back then). Even gag artists like Rose O'Neill were better at drawing than anyone in the industry today.

No. 1667465

>>1667464
I think comparing these illustrators to animation artists is a moot point personally.

I can't figure if they're a troll or just very dedicated

No. 1667466

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>>1667464
>you cant like frazetta unless you are a moid/troon
shut the fuck up already, i love fantasy and he's just the most popular one and because he inspired pretty much all fantasy artists that came after him. I am right that biki armor shit is super tame in comparisson that the shit we get now. AT least frazetta drew both half naked women and men, most artstation concept art shit still has naked kawiwi women in latex suits but the men are all covered up, i will take frazetta over that any day.(ok but please stop infighting)

No. 1667469

>>1667465
i never compared illustrators to animators, what are you on? for storyboarders i did a fair comparison of comparing storyboards in the 80s vs now, funny all of you ignored that post

No. 1667476

>>1667469
Because I didn't want to continue this. I have no idea what that animation is but a lot of 80s shit was super limited with not a lot of drawings in the boards and animation. I know people who worked in the 80s and view it as a dark time for animation, filmation would pump out cheap shit to sell toys… They were viewed as a joke then. my point is things haven't really changed just trends and tech. Why not compare it to an action cartoon which takes a lot more skill to story board over something like SU.
I'm not a storyboarder but a lot of storyboarders have to essentially animate whole sequences now when making animatics compared to just drawing some panels and passing it over. There will always be good and bad artists and yes some people who aren't very good get in but to say everyone can't draw is just not true and ignorant.

I really have no interest in continuing this.

No. 1667490

>>1667476
none of the cartoon artists from the 2010s can draw, none. Su/regular show/gumball/adventure time are all made by people who cannot draw, maybe except for sugar before she dropped her unique style for the shit that's SU style. I didnt use an action show as an example because there are none. My point is that unlike in the 80s these artists dont have as many limitations yet make way worse stuff.

No. 1667499

I'm honestly so tired of how neurotic artists are on twitter, especially asian ones. If you love their art and like/retweet it a lot, they start to panic for some reason and go private or even block you, even if plenty of other people retweet it as s result. If you don't engage with their art, they start self-deprecating rants about how shit their objectively great art is but if you reply to that with compliments or trying to cheer them up, they also panic and even deactivate. What's even the point of using twitter then? Get a fucking grip.

No. 1667500

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No. 1667502

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>>1667466
please stop, I can acknowledge he was skilled but many early illustrators had a similar level of expertise, he just found a niche with fantasy and that's fine, I would love if majority of illustrations were up to this standards(especially with modern book covers)
I love the art for 59's-80;s novels, picrel is one of my favourites, F

No. 1667505

>>1667499
I don't understand why artists get annoyed by "like spamming" or finding it weird when it's clearly just a new fan going through and liking/retweeting/marking favorites so they're up to date with the art posted. Do they think it's a bot? Or a stalker trying to get attention?

No. 1667507

>>1667342
It confuses me why white and asian coomers are so obsessed with blacked/bbc shit. Like if you were racist I’d assume you’d rather see your own race fucking women of your race. Or is this a variation of ugly bastard/monster/orc/bestiality porn for them?

No. 1667517

>>1667507
>Or is this a variation of ugly bastard/monster/orc/bestiality porn for them?
that's literally what it is for them

No. 1667521

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>>1667507
isn't it the opposite for asian coomers, they usually have a white guy be the "bull" in their weird cuck fantasies.

No. 1667533

>>1667499
>>1667505
Some people are overwhelmed by notifications, just don't spam like/retweets in general and some artists do state about it in their bio or profcard. It's just online etiquette, learn to integrate or get blocked, end of story!

No. 1667540

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>>1667521
>isn't it the opposite for asian coomers, they usually have a white guy be the "bull"
Now that I think about it, I have honestly never seen that until your pic. I’d tell you to search netorare on hentai sites or danbooru or even pixiv, but spare yourself the degeneracy. Just know loads of this stuff exists, even more than you can imagine

No. 1667541

Sorry if wrong thread but, do you nonas know any actual lesbian artists? I’m tired of sifting through all the they/them nonbinary he/him transmasc self proclaimed “lesbians”. Just want real lesbian art.

No. 1667544

>>1667533
Why are you on twitter if you don't want people to like and retweet your posts? That's literally what the website is there for and no "etiquette" says that you're only allowed to like/retweet one posts per account. This is as if you're complaining that someone likes your art "too much", it's honestly so weird.

No. 1667548

>>1667521
It isn't. East Asian moids (mainly koreans, but the japanese, as well) are obsessed with cuck shit featuring dark-skinned males. Even when it's not an actual black male, it always has to be a buff and abnormally tan one. Scrote degeneracy knows no bounds, imagine sexualising the people you supposedly dislike so much you want nothing to do with.

No. 1667553

>>1667544
>That's literally what the website is there for
Then the block and mute button is for people who just want to curate their twitter experience to not be overwhelming? Remember that not just twitter, but every social media out there is trying to force casual artists and "influencer" artists into the same space, and nobody likes it, especially when it comes to fan artists who just want to share their works in their immediate circle.
Again, not everyone is going to cater to your social media habit, if it bothers you so much that artists want to gatekeep their arts: learn to integrate. I'm just assuming that you're just young or not friends with any asian artist personally. I hope you can take from my perspective to perhaps, be a little bit compassionate to another artist, nonna.

No. 1667559

>>1667541
The most popular ones I can think of are dachell_ART, MILFCOOKIESIMP, rhabarberei and maybe tinyangryghost. Just check out their likes/retweets to find more and also don't worry so much about how an artist identifies, it's annoying if they always talk about themselves but it really doesn't take away from the art otherwise

No. 1667573

>>1666417
Because there is only one admin on the site and she wouldn't be able to handle a huge influx of users I think

No. 1667592

>>1667541
I stopped drawing because I didn't think anyone wanted to see lesbian art if it wasn't troonified + my followers assumed I was a moid because I never posted pics of myself. Is there really a demand for lesbian art? Scrolling on tumblr or twitter, all you can see is steven universe anime hybrid style shit of characters that have masectomy scars.

No. 1667596

>>1667559
nta but do you know any that aren't anime coomers?

No. 1667597

>>1667596
I honestly wouldn't say that their styles are very anime-like but it's a style I enjoy, so no. Are you looking for more realism or something?

No. 1667598

>>1667541
https://www.instagram.com/bangtanghan/
always assumed this artist was a GNC lesbian but I don't actually know.

No. 1667603

>>1667598
Interesting, to me the art has always seemed so moidish and the selfies on insta make it difficult to tell

No. 1667604

>>1667598
Too male-looking imo, but I've been fooled by really masculine-faced women before. I'm honestly not sure, but the way certain pictures are posed and drawn makes me lean into saying it's a moid.

No. 1667610

>>1667507
It's about humiliation for them, plus most of them are just straight up gay or trannies. The most humiliating thing for them apparently is to be with a black man because black men are practically subhuman and being fucked by one is the ultimate humiliation. They definitely are racist, but most of them are lefty trannies who spam that stuff everywhere.

No. 1667617

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>>1667597
So what would you describe this style as?

>Are you looking for more realism or something?

Yes, and definitely without the bestiality-lite shit.

No. 1667623

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>>1667598
the artist is a moid and his art is terrible

No. 1667630

>>1665575
I'm so happy to hear that you're having fun animating! You're right, seeing everything all put together is so satisfying.
I'm still learning and working out what's comfortable, I find I get better movement when I'm working straight ahead vs pose to pose, but I've heard the best way is to combine or alternate between the techniques, especially when working on something that has certain timing like syncing to music. It's easy to get too ahead of myself and get overwhelmed, I just want to animate my shitposts already!
Have you noticed any improvements after making certain changes in your process?

No. 1667637

>>1666595
I do this as well and I can genuinely tell you that’s it’s fun to reinterpret characters and it’s also not that deep

No. 1667648

>>1667617
Okay, but that artist is the most anime-like out of them, the rest I'd describe as closer to semi-realism. Don't know what bestiality you're talking about though. I don't like realism, maybe someone else can help you if you're too inept to find anything yourself. Those are just some popular artists I know that mostly draw lesbians, but I realize now that the first anon probably wasn't talking about nsfw without mtfs but just general artists that are lesbian, so those probably aren't what she was looking for anyway.

No. 1667654

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>>1667592
There is an insane demand for it right now. Fujos are now seen as cringe and the most basic princess x knight (but a woman!) will get thousands of likes and memes like this are everywhere. I also see a lot of talk about bending het or gay ships to be lesbian, the general consensus online seems to be that people are tired of looking at men all the time. But you shouldn't let the shit you see online discourage you unless someone directly says that you need to draw something a certain way, and even then you should just get mad and block them instead of giving in.

No. 1667660

>>1667617
Ot but is the white haired girl holding a dick? I can't tell, why didn't you spoiler this pic? it looks nsfw

No. 1667679

>>1667660
She's pulling up the suit with her thumb. Some of you are so obsessed with dick it's crazy

No. 1667688

>>1667548
Okay, I don't know about Japanese cuck comics but with ricecels always complaining about white moids, I would have assumed it would have been similar in their porn.

No. 1667713

>>1667533
>>1667553
Nta but I don't get it, you can customize the notifications. Isn't is easier and more logical to filter the notifications than manually curate users? I would understand if there wasn't a way to filter, but when there is, it seems like a weird thing to ask. I've been following asian artists for years and never heard of this before tbh, but being honest I've never seen them complain about receiving too many likes/interactions either.

No. 1667723

>>1667654
>the general consensus online seems to be that people are tired of looking at men all the time
who says this, troons and moid coomers? there is an epidemic of cute girls nowadays and a lack of cute male characters

No. 1667734

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>>1666956
>seems like just a few anons getting their ego bruised and somehow need to retaliate
I just don't want people to fall into the trap of thinking that "getting into the industry" is going to make their life better and/or validate them as an artist. It's the same reason I'd encourage people interested in art education to find atelier to learn from instead of getting an art degree.

>>1666970
>Middle school art classes are just a time waster, to give kids some familiarity with making things because shop classes got torched. "Guided Recess"
>High school art classes are electives focused on portfolio-building, because they're geared towards the fact it's picked by kids who already have skills and to discourage picking it for an easy A
>postsecondary art education requires you have skills to even get in, so it's focused on refinement, networking, and "assisting with transition into the industry" for the people to realize that's what it's for

picrel to both

>>1667097
I criticized actual-scam mobile games and the artists working for them because nobody should expect those kinds of studios to actually care about retaining an artist (some are already swapping to AI because they want loose-wallet idiots to blow money on them!) Additionally, by directly working for them an artist is actively assisting in making the world a worse place. It's only a few steps removed from being the person who keeps a phone scammer's equipment tuned up.

No. 1667736

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>>1663096
I found it but I don't know what it means https://cartamonir.com/work/meetnfuck

No. 1667753

>>1667734
where is your picrel from?

No. 1667758

>>1667736
I know it's just a doodle but Jesus Christ what is going on with the female anatomy here

No. 1667760

>>1667648
none of them draw "semi-realistically". not sure why me saying this making you so salty, lol. but it really is all simplified anime-influenced work at best.

>Don't know what bestiality you're talking about though

uh, all the werewolf strapon and furry shit the artists you shared post/rt to their twitter accounts? not to mention one of them rt a bunch of bara and male coom shit.

>I don't like realism, maybe someone else can help you if you're too inept to find anything yourself.

yeah, clearly i made a mistake asking a coombrain for anything that isn't degenerate anime shit. carry on.

No. 1667780

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>>1667688
>ricecels
can just say asian moids or incels next time anon

No. 1667782

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>>1667753
This book, from 2001

No. 1667784

>>1667660
Anon, that's not what's happening.

No. 1667796

>>1667723
The same people that are tired of fujos who always ignore female characters, even if they are well written or whatever other excuses they have. It's just a trend I've been noticing recently, coupled with calling m/m shippers fetishizers and whatnot. But keep drawing whatever you like and don't think too much about it if it's not in your circles yet.

No. 1667799

>>1667796
>keep drawing whatever you like and don't think too much about it
True and based. Curate your audience, not yourself.

No. 1667800

>>1667796
antifujo sperg is that you?

No. 1667803

>>1667760
You've just been needlessly rude from the start when you're not even the anon who asked in the first place. Sorry I don't know any artists you'd like, don't be a bitch about it and browse twitter yourself.

No. 1667804

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No. 1667806

>>1667800
No kek, I'm a fujo that's why I'm hyper-aware of this stuff

No. 1667821

>>1667533
Literally just turn off notifications then? Why post your art online and then get mad when people like it, that's retarded

No. 1667828

File: 1692293561885.jpg (347.43 KB, 1080x1437, IMG_20230817_203128.jpg)

Are these any good? (Faber Castell polychromos)

No. 1667831

>>1667828
my brain cannot make up what the fuck i am seeing behind the hand

No. 1667837

>>1667831
I'm at my city's drinking water reserve just ignore it lol

No. 1667839

>>1667828
anon where the fuck are you at



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