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No. 69333

>The Hartley Hooligans are a pair of sisters, Claire and Lola Hartley, born with microcephaly, a medical condition which is signified by a head circumference several standard deviations below the average.It basically means they are vegetables that won't even react if you flash light into their eyes.
>The sisters, both of whom have various other medical conditions due to their microcephaly, are loved and adored my their parents, particularly the mother. She loved her first microcephalic baby so much, she kept the second on when prenatal scans showed she would be microcephalic too

So anons, would you do the same? Do you think retards should be not only allowed to live and leech off resources, but also to be praised for being 'brave little angels'?

What would YOU if you found out your baby will have this condition?

No. 69338

a number of other conditions that the older daughter suffers from:


dwarfism, Spastic Quadriplegia Cerebral Palsy, epilepsy, scoliosis, a g-tube (feeding tube in stomach), Cortical Visual Impairment (CVI), and other issues

No. 69340

Does it really make you a monster to not want children like this? I go on reddit sometimes, and recently saw a discussion on eugenics and how many people these days were opting to abort downs syndrome babies…The commentators were livid that anyone would support such modern day eugenics

No. 69344

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Love them until they die. Thats what a mother is supposed to do. A con is that you probably cant discipline them the way you would do normal kids if they are doing annoying stuff so your anger is cropped up but they probably only do one annoying thing: existing. So I would probably only love them and take care of them. I do understand why others would abort them, but I love my nonexisting children the way white people love their dog: a lot.

Maybe such childeren are just as cool as pugs or french bulldogs… so ugly its cute.

No. 69348

Quite honestly if I knew my child was going to be born with a disorder such as this I would abort. It's not just about how difficult it would be for the parents but think about what type of life the child would have? It would hardly even be considered a life. Sure they probably won't know any better but that's still pretty awful in my opinion.

No. 69351

>>69348
Honestly this
They are hardly living

No. 69355

i really really despise the mother. those kids are basically dead inside, but she's dressing them up in "funny" outfits like you would your dog or cat. its so fucked up.
if i got preggo and found out this is what's going to come out of me i would immediately abort. this is no life when they can't feel or enjoy anything. there is enough suffering in the world, i think its cruel to bring children like this into it.

No. 69362

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>>69355
Exactly. There's already a huge lack of resources in this world, why waste them more? She could be using her resources on her poor healthy child, or she could adopt.

Then again it's her choice. Some people buy flat screen TVs and gold necklaces, she buy 100,000 diapers for children that can never be toilet trained. Her choice and I respect that.

No. 69363

>>69362
the lobster kid looks fucking dead in this im going to lose my shit

No. 69364

>>69362
that costume is adorable tbh

No. 69368

>>69333
there was a good thread about this on fullchan /n/. i'll try to find an archive of it

No. 69370

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No. 69371

>>69368
found it: https://archive.is/ibWbo
not the full thread before 404, but most of it

the mother is insane. i feel bad for the alive son because his life must suck

No. 69372

The mother is completely nuts and an attention whore.

So sick of Christians acting like they're saints for letting these things live because muh soul and muh pastor said abortion is bad.

No. 69373

>>69371
And how exactly can your life be blamed on your sisters solely for existing?

No. 69374

>>69372
And how exactly are you blaming christians for this? There are atheists with a heart.

No. 69375

the mother's rants about the word retarded: https://archive.is/jXj3V

No. 69376

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>>69371
>“But they’re like any other girls, they like rap music and watch TV, and they have their own personalities,” continued Gwen. “Claire is laidback and goes with the flow, while Lola is feisty and needy. She wants to be cuddled all the time.”

that's not possible though, they don't have enough brain matter to have personalities
they don't even have enough brain to function properly, or contract their eyes in response to light appropriately

No. 69378

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>>69373
they probably center all their time and attention on the twins, a lot of parents with disabled children do this, it's not a novel concept, you should check it out

google " sibling of disabled child"

No. 69379

>>69372
I wouldn't say an attention whore, she's just dressing up her kids in cute outfits and blogging about them, which is what many mommy bologgers do

No. 69381

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>>69373
because your parents pull shitfits like this

>This story, this day, these raw emotions have haunted me for ten months… they have shut me down more than I'd like to admit… broken my heart time and time again. But I need to share this. And I know that we have all grown as a result of having experienced this, no matter how painful it was. And I hope that you can learn from it, too.


>I think part of the reason I have struggled with writing this is because it evokes so much anger and disappointment and intense sadness within my soul. And because it hits so close to home. And because it involves my kids, each of whom are SO important to me ~ such an extension of my own heart. And because it hits me below the belt with my OWN issues, experiences, and triggers in this life.


>The reason it hurts so much is because Cal said the word "retard."

No. 69382

>>69373
I would blame the mother, not the sisters. All the kids, the healthy one and the disordered ones, are victims of this woman's insanity. Though I'm sure the son feels some resentment towards his sisters. How can he not? It's a normal feeling and he's also just a kid. Kids don't have the capacity to think more altruistically.

No. 69383

I just can't understand why you would want two very sick reptile baby, I just can't.

I honnestly would abort the thing immediatly if I knew I was preggo with one of them.

No. 69384

>>69374
No, they are Christians. She mentions God and praying to him a few times in her blog.

No. 69387

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>>69383
Because she believes killing these babies (abortion) is ammoral, and that hydrocephalic babies are just as good as any other babies

No. 69388

>>69381
Cal is an asshole

No. 69389

>>69388
for saying retard? probably in response to a joke about someone being a retard? tumblr pls get out

No. 69390

this video gets me every time

No. 69401

>>69390
Ugh, the vacant expression on her face. She clearly doesn't even know anything is going on around her.

No. 69402

>>69389
I am just intelligent enough to express myself without hurting my own mother. ;^)

No. 69404

Quality thread guize

No. 69412

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No. 69413

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Wtf is this? The parents are like a bunch of fucking clowns I swear.

http://www.thehartleyhooligans.com/2016/02/code-yellow-saga-continues.html

No. 69415

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>Hell, a few months after Claire was born, I was driving in a Dillon's parking lot on a cold winter day when I spotted some harmless Knights of Columbus workers wearing vests which read, "HELP RETARDED CHILDREN" on the back and collecting money for their organization. You'd shit your pants if you saw how fast I jerked my car into PARK (delaying several cars behind me and coming toward me), hopped out of it, and jump-straddled some poor guy's ass for wearing such an insulting slogan on the back of his vest, as if HE himself was the one who designed the damn thing with hate in his heart. OMG! I shouted, "I AM THE PARENT OF A QUOTE RETARDED CHILD END QUOTE AND I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOU WEARING SUCH AN OUTDATED, RUDE, INAPPROPRIATE VEST!!! The PROPER terminology is 'special needs' these days!!!!!!!!!!!" Dude stood there speechless then said, "I'll pass that on. Thanks." I stormed off, got in my car, parked it, and bawled my eyes out for my sweet Claire, for her disability, for myself, for my family and how CHANGED our lives would now be forever – whether she lived or died. It was so NEW… the "wound" so fresh. THIS KILLED ME. I will say, the next year I saw these guys out again, and they had on new vests which read, "HELP HANDICAPPED CHILDREN." For some reason, that actually felt BETTER to me. I stayed in my car this time and after much deliberation convinced myself I had indeed WON. Yes, I DO have issues. :)

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No. 69418

>>69404
Ikr. I can't snark this. Its so sad. I just feel so bad for that family.

I mean the blog is shit, but imagine being a fly on the wall for one hour in their house.

No. 69419

>>69402
So you've NEVER said anything that pissed your mother off? Top kek, you're not very realistic. Kids should be allowed to say retard holy shit

No. 69422

>>69418
you would see things like >>69390

No. 69424

>>69418
meh she writes pretty well in my opinion, at least she's funny. She's better than most mommy bloggers that's for sure

No. 69425

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>>69415
I'm sure that totally happened.

No. 69429

>>69424
I don't really "get" mommy blogs tbh. They all have this weird tone…like they're trying SO HARD to show the world how special and happy their family is, when you know they are ordinary people you wouldn't look twice at walking down the street.

I can't wait until the kids who have to endure all the cutesie photoshoots go through their rebellious teenage years. Like, once the kids don't want to make flower crowns, and start making friends outside the house, what are these moms going to blog about?

No. 69432

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>>69429
>tin foil hat time

Maybe that's why she wanted these two disabled kids so much. It's all so she can perpetually keep up her mommy blog since they will never grow up.

No. 69433

>>69429
I think it's like a stepford wife fetish. Wanting to show your best face, kinda like on facebook, but taken to extremes

No. 69438

I feel so torn about shit like this. On one hand, these kids are barely living and seem to be used more as real life dress up dolls by their mom than functioning as actual children. On the other hand, I feel like I can't support aborting a kid just because it may have a problem. I'm autistic and know my mom would have aborted me if she would have known that and had the chance, so being in this place it feels kind of shitty to say that it should be allowed.

No. 69439

>>69438
the difference is that autists can actually function and do stuff like WALK and TALK, these cabbages can't do anything for themselves.

No. 69461

>>69439
"i'm also fat but damn tess holiday is too fat its so deadly :((( xd"
>>69438
Thank you for being honest. As for me, I have a disabled sister (she cant function at all) and my mother took care of me just as much as my sister, but she just handled her different.

No. 69471


No. 69475

>>69390
It makes me so uncomfortable I can't take it.
Their literally just toys to their parents

Even the way they dress them in stupid costumes… These kids don't even understand what is going on

It really makes me uncomfortable

No. 69477

>>69475
Same.

I'll buy their son's inevitable tell-all book, tho.

No. 69483

>>69475
The solution is to kill them rite? Thumbz ub pal!

No. 69485

My favorite video of them is the one where they're floating around in a jacuzzi tub like frightened lizards, occasionally grunting or moving from nerve reactions, all the while their mother creates a pretend narrative for them like "Do you like it? She's like, yes, I love it! So sweet!" while these things just mentally drift through a void of thoughtless complacency

No. 69498

>>69344
>>69483
You would discard any chance of a normal life to support an essentially non-sentient child's biological functions for the rest of their life?

You would sacrifice every waking hour? How would you work? How would you take trips or vacations? How would you have the time to make friends, to go to the grocery store, to read a book without thinking about them all of the time? You can't say "I'd bring them everywhere lol" because it's just not feasible.

God forbid you'd be a single parent in that situation too. You could never EVER leave them. Care for disabled children is rarely anywhere above "average" quality, and is frequently far less. They're not fucking puppies. Puppies have personalities, they grow up and can do things by themselves.

No. 69499

>>69498
And christ, she's got TWO of them.

No. 69501

This is obligatory

No. 69512

>>69483
1- they would have to be alive for them to be killed
2- how is abortion killing?

No. 69539

>>69483
If a child has no way of functioning on it's own, it's a waste to have it. Everyone suffers, including parents and taxpayers when something like >>69501 this is born.

No. 69543

>>69344
>that's what a mother is supposed to do
Why? Who says?
Most human beings are not that compassionate, even to their own children. If I had a child like that, I'd abandon it. Then again, I would get genetics screenings first to make sure that shit won't happen in the first place.

No. 69547

>>69372
Ofc they're christians. Why am I not surprised? My best friend's uncle had 5 children (FIVE FUCKING KIDS) with his wife and all were born with an extreme cause of autism or down syndrome. But they don't believe in condoms and abortion. fuckin christians, man.

No. 69549

>>69547
That's horrible. And when his and his wife are too old to wrangle retards anymore, guess who will have to take care of their happy bundle of retards? His family.

No. 69551

>>69543
>Most human beings are not that compassionate
I know that. But thanks for confirming it again. Gives me more reasons to be a misanthropist. And I said its what we're supposed to, not what most "people" would do. Lets say you have a healthy child but she gets a severe accident and is basically a vegetable would you abandon her too?

Keep in mind the mother instinct is stronger than the edgy mindset you have (assuming you dont have children)

No. 69554

>>69551
Actually lots of people 'abandon' their vegetable child. It's called turning off life support and allowing your child to become an organ donor for children with a chance.

Why do you insist vegetables are the same as people? They're demonstrably not, and you mamby pamby attempt at guilting people over 'morality' isn't helping. It's gracious enough that society allows them to keep these tax and hospital equipment leeches. Back in the day they'd be left on the side of a mountain.

No. 69559

>>69512
Its killing a baby.

No. 69561

>>69559
Now I know you're trolling. Get out robotfag, you're no fun.

No. 69563

>>69559
You have no idea what you're talking about. This is one of the more idiotic things that /pol/ loves to say.

No. 69564

>>69561
Im a woman.I just have a different option when life is made.I really don't care about pro choice/life debate anymore.

No. 69566

>>69564
>.I really don't care about pro choice/life debate anymore.

you mean THE pro choice/life debate

see people like you can't even defend their opinions, not to mention type properly

No. 69567

>>69564
Sure, go have fun with your carrot baby then.

No. 69568

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>>69567
Does this mean that realdoll baby dolls are babies too? I mean technically they'r more human and alive than these babies, since they can be programmed to do stuff.

No. 69569

>>69551
Yes, because people in vegetative states with NO HOPE of recovery are not people anymore and it's a waste of time and selfish to keep them alive when they have no brain function.

No. 69576

>>69569
I think the kind of people who want to keep all veggies alive against their familys will are the sort of people who believe in detox and spot reduction. I.e scientifically illiterate or lazy people who vaguely think there's some sort of life in there, or that those people waking up from comas are comparable. Because reasons. Made up ones.

No. 69577

>>69569
I just find it sad that 1 out of every 50 children born in Brazil today are those Zika zombies.
So many athletes are going to boycott the Olympics this year

No. 69579

ITT: edgy robots or edgy dykes

Its ok robots and dykes, no one wants to reproduct with you. Also since you serve no useful function on this planet I kindly ask you to hang yourself on a noose.

No. 69584

>>69579

we're edgy because we realize giving birth to vegetables is a gross waste of resources, time, and would be cruel to the kids?

No. 69591

>>69577
seriously???? that many???? wtf what is brazil going to do with all these vegetables?

No. 69593

>>69579
>edgy dykes
>unironically calling lesbians SJW morons
Robot detected!

No. 69594

>>69584
You are not only doing that. You are reposting old forced memes posted by edgy neckbeards.
Each useless thread is literally a waste of money and time for us and admin-sama.

Live life instead of focusing on children or a mother who is trying her best, more than your mother ever did. Cant blame her though she had to raise an insecure whore like you. I feel so bad for her, hope she never finds out what you are writing on the internet I wouldnt want her to get a heart attack. Don't like her kids? Go seek therapy then. You have 0 rights to call someone useless and a waste of space while you are looking for a place to laugh at people who are better than you so you can boost confidence and feel better about yourself, loose hairy warty cunthole.

If you really care about resources, go protest against war or something more useful as they actually have wasted our resources and have caused more damage than these kids ever did. YOU have caused more damage than these kids did.

Have a good day!

No. 69595

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>>69579
>no one wants to reproduct with you.
You mean reproduce, see this is why we need to abort retards.

No. 69596

>>69594
>Don't like her kids? Go seek therapy then. You have 0 rights to call someone useless and a waste of space while you are looking for a place to laugh at people who are better than you so you can boost confidence and feel better about yourself, loose hairy warty cunthole.

Oh my god guys we have a new navy seal copypasta

No. 69597

>>69595
Only retards care about spelling to avoid confrontation tbh

No. 69598

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>>69594
>Each useless thread is literally a waste of money and time for us and admin-sama.
It's not a waste? I've gotten lots of use out of these threads ranging from tips on fashion and healthy living to life advice. Heck even being entertained is something.

These vegetables can't even get entertained. It's her right to choose to have them, but I don't think we're edgy for wondering WHY she would want to have them.

No. 69599

>>69597
Only retards can't spell tbh

No. 69600

>>69596
>>>PULL

No. 69602

>>69594
Have some empathy anon- read this. It's from someone with an autistic son

"I cant help it, my life is constantly terrible. I spend as much time as work as possible. The worst part is that I am supposed to pretend that I am happy about it. When we get together with the other parents and everyone is pretending their kids are as normal as anyone else. They are not. All of us secretly wish they were never born.
I would never dare tell my wife this. She is in total denial. Every time he screams or has a breakdown I just wish he would die. I believe that violence is a lot more common than you think. but my wife and I always control ourselves. I can't stand it though. Why has god done this to me, and why instead of having support are you not supposed to say this. It is terrible, and I did not deserve it yet I am supposed to pretend life is just great."

No. 69604

>>69602
What a terrible parent wow

No. 69606

>>69602
>my wife
So its a dad. Typical, men are always bad lel not suprising at all.

No. 69610

>>69604
I hope you never have to go through the nightmare of having an autistic child. Screaming and attacking you every single day. I hope you never have to go through that anon and know what a terrible parent you would be.

No. 69612

>>69610
Yeah. So what should we do to make the world a better place?! We farmers have the right to live!

No. 69614

>>69376
I think the parents project their desired personalities onto the children. Like "This is how they'd be if they were normal". That's actually rather sad. No wonder the mother isn't wired too tightly.

I feel bad for Cal because he's probably not getting the attention he really needs from his mother.

It's not very nice to call your sisters retarded. But these aren't high functioning retarded children. They are vegetables that can't be hurt by words. The mother forced her son into a breakdown for 30 minutes over this?

>Scott and I had a VERY loooooooooong talk about the whole ordeal, what Cal's punishment should be, and why our son would EVER do such a thing. We decided that his punishment would be this: He would have to call each of the other three children involved, apologize for using the word "retard" and explain to them why it is wrong and why no one should ever say it again. Secondly, he would write Scott & me a letter about his own thoughts, feelings and what he had learned – about his sisters, using that word, why it's inappropriate, why he won't do it again, how sorry he is, etc. It needed to be at least one notebook page in length.


If this kid shoots up his school one day I wouldn't even be surprised. He must be so psychologically damaged by his crazy parents.

No. 69616

>>69591
I don't know, but WHO has declared it an epidemic, like Ebola in West Africa last year. Not only is Zika mosquito borne, it's also sexually transmitted. It remains unsafe to conceive babies for a few months after you recover from the Zika, and most people never know they've been infected due to flu-like symptoms

Hope Solo says she's sitting out this year because she's hoping to have kids. The US state department has issued a travel warning for all pregnant women or women attempting to conceive. The UN begged all tropical countries to make abortion legal for medical defects

No. 69617

>>69415
I wonder if she knows that the origin of handicapped refers to disabled people begging in the streets by holding their overturned caps out for donations?

No. 69622

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>>69612
Another story to force some empathy on you

"I'm not a parent, but my second cousin (much older, in his 60's) and his wife have 4 daughters.
Let's call the oldest K. K was born with very severe down syndrome, diabetes and as a celiac. They said she had absolutely no chance of living past 5 years old.
The father is a retired surgeon and the mother was a nurse. She gave up her job at 24, when K was born. She raised 3 other daughters, of which 1 was diabetic as well (she was also a huge problem child. Out of control, really). She gave up her life when K was born. She expected to be back at work within 10 years.
K is 43 this year and still requires full time care. She works at a factory that is specifically for down syndrome people. She has to have her blood tested several times a day, which means that one of her parents has to drive for 30 minutes to check it, then 45 minutes home. She is dropped off and picked up by her parents every day she works. They have to measure every meal she eats with a measuring jug to check ensure she maintains a healthy diet and get up three times a night to check her blood.
As is usual with down syndrome patients, the older she has gotten, the more difficult she is to deal with.
I sat with her mother one night drinking wine, talking to her about it. After a few glasses, she broke down. She never got a chance to live her own life because of K. Not in their wildest dreams did they expect her to live as long as she had.
The mother is a wonderful, kind woman. I've never seen someone with so much love.
She looked at me and said "I wish she'd just die already."

No. 69623

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>>69614
that poor kid. Every birthday, christmas, easter, family event he has to put up with them. Not moving, jerking sporadically, releasing their bowels and their mother's insanity, literal INSANITY in thinking that one of her kids likes rap music, or the other one just smiled. They physically are unable to be human.

No. 69624

>>69617
oh shit I didn't know that, good one

No. 69626

>>69461
Do you understand these kids are living dolls? That comparing them to fatter and less fat doesn't sustain? God, you sound fucking retarded.

No. 69627

>>69387
>>69384
Pro-lifes and christians sure are stupid.

No. 69628

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>>69626

for their sake I just hope they don't have enough braincells smeared in there to even be aware of their existence. Because their existence is a nightmare.

No. 69629

>>69627
Not all christians are pro life, we're not all crazy m8.

No. 69631

I don't ever expect to become a parent, but if I found myself pregnant and the fetus was showing signs of being unhealthy I would absolutely abort it. If the child was born and had some debilitating illness like these girls I would give it up under the Safe Haven law. If the child was too old to give up to a safe haven by the time the illness became apparent I would probably kill it and then kill myself.

This sounds edgy as fuck, but it's what I would do under these circumstances. I've thought about what I would do for years and it's the most humane, selfish, true course of action that I could take.

No. 69633

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>>69631
That's very noble of you. Not wanting to bring more suffering into the world. Many people with severe mental and physical disabilities suffer. There are only a few exceptions to the rule, while a vast majority are made to suffer because they are so "cute" and look so "funny" and "are human too!". Bah. Absolutely disgusting.

No. 69636

>>69498
>>69344
Several years ago in nursing school, I volunteered at the Infectious Disease department of a pediatrics hospital. There was a mother there whose daughter was severely mentally and physically retarded; at the age of 7 she was only at the level of a paralyzed toddler with poor prognosis for the future. Apparently she was a semi-perennial patient due to recurrent respiratory and ear infections.

When the doctor asked at the end of the interview if the mother had anything she wanted to tell us (students), she said that if she could go back in time and tell the doctors not to resucitate her baby. She said that she loved her daughter very much (and would to the very end), but the longer she saw her child suffer in such an existence, the more the mother realised that her decision had been unfair to the child.

I will never forget this encounter, because it finally made me realise what a true mother's love should be.

No. 69637

>>69628
Look at the parents pretending to be happy. This is a fucking joke. I feel bad for the son. I hope he grows up fast and moves out and lives a normal and stable life away from that.

No. 69638

>>69623
I feel so bad for the son.

No. 69639

>>69636
We love our pets enough to not want them to suffer, and not want their babies to live a life of nonexistance and suffering. We don't have as much empathy for our own.

No. 69641

>>69622
I feel so bad for mothers in these situations. Mothers, much more than fathers are expected to accept their children and love them unconditionally, but when you are given a child with a severe handicap, how do you cope?

People seriously need to do genetic screenings more often.

No. 69642

>>69595
Agreed.

No. 69644

>>69617
I learned something new. This is why I love you, fellow farmers.

No. 69647

>>69591
not everyone with that disorder is a vegetable, many of them are low-functioning but can still talk/express themselves in some way.

pepper from american horror story had microcephaly, for example.

these girls have a million other issues in addition to the microcephaly.

No. 69648

I wonder what would happen to these vegetables if their parents died in a car accident.

No. 69650

>>69647
True, microcephaly just means small head, it's on a spectrum, from vegetable to low functioning but alive.

No. 69651

>>69648
Kept in a state hospital, with very expensive equipment to keep them alive. Liberals would have a shifit about eugenics and nazis otherwise.

No. 69652

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I kind of discussed it with my s/o already and we decided to abort if the child will have a probability of ending up as low functioning.

but I am scared my 'motherly love' would make me attached to it and id refuse to abort it, so thats that.

No. 69655

>>69652
But at the end of that motherly love there also has to be some wish and hope that the child will form their own life and at least function on its own when you and your s/o is gone some day, right?

It seems a bit irresponsible to me to bring a person into the world whose fate depends on the kindness of strangers after your gone.

No. 69663

>>69439
But the thing is, even if a kid could function I feel like a lot of parents would not want it unless it is going to be perfectly healthy or normal. That means no disabilities, physical or mental.

As I've said, I know my mother would have aborted me if she'd had the foresight. I can function in society and I provide for myself but she DESPISES having an autistic kid. And a lot of people are that way. I think that's why I feel so bad about the idea of letting someone abort if their kid is going to be disabled. It would stop a lot of potentially high functioning people from entering the world.

No. 69675

>>69652
Have some common sense. Do you want a child that will barely function and need 24 hour/7 days a week support even after you die? please, that's the definition of selfish.

No. 69677

I told my partner that when we have kids I'm getting all the tests I can and there's a literal list I have of diseases or conditions called the abort it list.

Why have a kid who's gonna have a shit quality of life and never get to be a regular person?

No. 69679

>>69639
This needs to be plastered everywhere.

No. 69682

I just feel… nothing when I read all of what's been posted so far. Not even any emotion what so ever.

>>69652
>>69677
It's unlikely that I want a kid but for that one chance that I do, I would not hesitate to abort it. I already have arthritis and a shitty immune system so I don't want my child to suffer the same way or worse.

No. 69683

>>69340
I don't see why people abort down syndrome babies, other than it having a chance of being very low functioning. Downs are just really sweet people, they can get jobs and live their lives and are just naturally so lovely. The only real problem is fending off bullies and protecting them from being friendly to the wrong people. However, I'm still pro choice and understand some parents can't afford to take the risk of complications, especially with the cost of healthcare.

No. 69684

>>69663

I mean, it honestly depends on how autistic/disabled the child would become. Even high functionin autistic children can be nightmares to deal with even though I'm sure you're lovely.

there's also the risk of giving birth to a high functionin autistic person who's literally worse than hitler. It's a gamble.

No. 69685

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>There are people who actually disagree with eugenics and think it's "immoral"

No. 69689

>>69683
See the fact that they will be picked on, marginalized and seen as lesser by so many people is why I would go for an abortion if my amnio showed downs.

If I didn't know and had a downs kid id keep custody and love the fuck out of it, because I don't think downs is such a big deal and people with it are frequently enormously wonderful people.

I mostly don't wanna bring a kid into the world that I know is gonna have significant challenges beyond the typically expected ones we all have. Ill raise my kids to stand up for the disabled kid on the playground but I don't wanna bring that disabled kid into the world knowing they'll likely need to be stood up for forever.

No. 69703

I'd abort. It's a lot more humane than what can happen in nature ie the nazca booby

>young will commit siblicide (such as pecking the youngest to death, or pushing it out of the nest) during scarce resources

>parents just sit back and watch because it means not wasting limited resources on the weak

nature is brutal.

No. 69728

>>69652
If you've already discussed this with your SO and know his opinion, you should be prepared for him to bounce if you decide to keep the unhealthy child. You may resent him if you abort and really wanted to have the damaged goods. Hopefully you'll never have to make this decision.

>>69663
There's no test for autism yet, right? Do you part to not support eugenics by refusing to help with genetic studies of autism if tgat makes you feel better.

I know where you're coming from in a strict morality standpoint, but just take comfort in the fact that you can make personal decisions for yourself and others can make personal decisions for themselves. Some people aren't equipped to be loving, supportive parents of disabled children. It's good for those who know their personal limitations to not bite off more than they can chew.

>>69683
You acknowledge that there's a chance the child could be low functioning, which means they would probably be unable to support themselves as adults. We all have finite resources. Why choose a child with the deck stacked against them when someone can try again for a child with better chances of being successful at life?

No. 69735

>>69683
they have heart issues and other problems

and not all are functional and nice like you mentioned, severity varies

No. 69747

Fuck no. Abortion exists for a reason– these girls don't have personalities, thoughts, wants, dreams, nothing. They have no future and aren't even aware to know that. It's fucked on so many levels, and that's why this whole Zika virus thing is scary. I'd be getting an ultrasound every week and aborting at the first sign of trouble, no regrets whatsoever.

No. 69748

>>69683
A lot of them have massive health issues and very low IQs. They're weak and can't really survive outside without constant help from parents and nurses/doctors. Down syndrome child is definition an abort go for me.

No. 69762

>>69591
Nah, that anon is just being sensationalist. Less than 1% of babies in Brazil are born with microcephaly, though in 2015 the occurrence was 20 times higher than usual.

No. 69765

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In the end, you're basically caring for an expensive ugly baby doll. How is this not the same as just playing 'make believe' with their feelings, likes, and wants?

>>69677
Fucking this. Who would want to live such a shitty life? If my life were to end up really bad at the time my mom got preggo, I wouldn't mind at all if my mom had the foresight to realize that nobody should have to live a life where they have less because of certain circumstances. People like this woman want to seem like saviors for not aborting their kids, but it's pretty fucking selfish to keep up this charade.

No. 69767

>>69728
I'd rather take part in eugenics personally.
The entire plant is living in limited resources. It seems unreasonable to use them on people unable to live a full life.

When your horse breaks its legs, you shoot it.
When your dog is so old and arthritic its entire life hurts, you put it down.

If an unborn mass of cells is determined to be defective, why not abort? There's low chances of quality or quantity of life with many of the things tested for. Its kinder even than euthanasia. The thing is never even alive to begin with.

No. 69769

>>69602
Where is this from?

No. 69770

>>69765
did lolcow used to play with dolls?

No. 69771

>she kept the second on when prenatal scans showed she would be microcephalic too
I would love to see a source on that, OP. Last time I read about them the ultrasound didn't actually show any conditions until it was too late to abort.

No. 69772

>>69622
Kid in the pic looks like a burn victim. I feel so bad he has to live that way for the rest of his life.

No. 69777

>>69606
lesbian and bisexual erasure, ofc

No. 69780

>>69683
I went to a school that had about 20 downies, with the exception of one, and one other about half the time, they were not nice and some were very violent

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No. 69798

>>69771
it says it on her blog somewhere.

the first one was was the one that didn't show any conditions, the second one did on their first scan

No. 69859

That mother is a sadistic monster. Those kids are fucking miserable.

No. 69865

>>69344
I would dispose of them the way white people dispose of their dog if it's suffering and spitting bubbles on the floor. You sound like a self important sadistic cunt to me. It's not about loving your children, it's about the status and ass pats you get from society for taking care of a miserable retard. Why do you think this cunt makes these videos? She thrives on the attention. Existing must be a living hell for those kids, especially with all the conditions listed in >>69338
If she loved her kids, she would have got an abortion, but nope. She's going to let them live their meaningless, uneventful lives of pain and torment. Gotta love that government money and Christfag donations.

No. 69867

>>69604
Would you like to live like this?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kbn0t

No. 69869

>>69865
Wait, then what do black people do with a suffering dog?
Are you implying that black people just let animals suffer? Jfc racist-chan, calm down. I'm sure euthanasia of suffering dying animals isn't just a white thing.

No. 69878

>>69614
What a crazy bitch. Why would they punish their son for that?? They are mentally retarded. I doubt he was using it as a slur or an insult, he seems like a good brother. She's a disgusting human for having the second kid after knowing how the first one was suffering with no quality of life. Obviously they knew how she would be born and didn't choose to do the right thing and abort.

No. 69882

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>>69859
Luckily I don't think they're concious enough to be miserable.

No. 69883

>>69867
So true. People who aren't aware of just how challenging REAL autism is strike me as really uninformed. I want to take them to the home of an autistic child, or even adult, just for a day.

Autism is on a spectrum, so it can be normal and fine like aspergers or chrischan, the high functioning kind, but low functioning is its own circle of hell for both the parents and the child. The child being literally trapped in their mind, often accompanied by seizures and extreme fits of unexplained anger. Repetitions and routines that manage their lives. Inability to empathise, feel, recognise faces, recognise emotions. Some of these kids will never even speak.

No. 69887

I've got four cousins via two different aunts with autism and they're on the low functions end of the spectrum.
Their lives suck.

K's kids: Two of them had a feeding tube for years and one now has a jejunal tube. None are verbal, and all three require lifelong high levels of care. She's never gonna hear 'I love you mum' 'thanks mum' 'I got a job' 'I'm getting married' none of it. They just watch Disney DVDs and gesture and grunt.

R's kid: non verbal, never toulet trained, only eats fried chicken, only watches hi-5 DVDs, has destroyed his room (holes in walls, paint peeled off, windows smashed, shelves ripped down, wardrobes ripped out, doors broken)

He'd have fits of screaming and thrashing around so violently you couldn't go near him and by the age of 8 he could overpower his mum easily. They had to lock him in his bedroom with bolts on the outside of his door, or he would get up through the night and do bizarre shit like paint the walls with his shit or piss on the couch. Sometimes he would just start pushing people. He ended up in a care home.

No. 69893

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No. 69908

>>69878
Aborting the second would've been admitting that they should've aborted the first.

No. 69910

Having seen what my severely autistic brother has done to my parents relationship and quality of life. I can say I could abort a disabled child quite easily. I couldn't deal with it, and yes there are some amazing people who can. I am not one of them. My childhood was already affected enough. still, I can't really say until I'm in that situation. Maybe it's not so easy to give up a kid that becomes mentally disabled further down the line.

but yeah I would never choose to give birth to one.

No. 69918

>>69378
yeah this so much. While I would never say I had a bad childhood.. I never really wanted for anything other than actual love from my parents. Shit like my disabled brother destroying my doll "oh its your fault for leaving it where he can find it" etc. Constantly being put last and made to feel so worthless really. And as I got older they would take out their frustrations with him on me as I wasn't about to lash out and attack them/punch hole sin the walls. It took a long time to realise but I believe its had a long reaching effect on my life even now. I don't honestly know how much I can blame this upbringing for all depression, anxiety and shit but I don't think it helped. And my relationship with my parents is tense and awkward as fuck. I don't exactly blame them. I know they have a hard time but there's no closeness there. and I guess I love my brother somewhere deep down. He is my brother and he can't help his disabilities, but that doesn't mean I should have suffered as a result and as a person I really can't stand him

No. 69923

>>69918
sage for OT, but this applies to any handicapped family member, tbh.

i had a stint at a social services non-profit (it sucked ass) where i was handed a case involving a mentally ill woman trying to contact her kids. it hurt me to call them up to bug them about their mom, because i knew that she had always been toxic to them and that they were just trying their damned best to cut ties and finally live decent lives. i don't blame them one bit. i wish i could have told them that.

No. 69925

I can understand not aborting children with Downs or some other syndrome similar to it, because that child still has a chance at a conscious and happy life. But these things are not even human. They're no better than plants. I hope the parents had enough sense to list these things as organ donors and won't stretch out their existence unnecessarily. That's the only way their existence will be worth something.

No. 69927

>I am a real-life, damn near Snow F’ing White (super pale AND gifted at dwarf wrangling) from the Midwest who blogs regularly about my kids’ antics, my husband’s sketchy facial hair, and shitting myself. When I'm not cleaning up doggy snot & random bodily fluids (from the kids, pervs!), I find time to share about my unique life raising a typical child & two profoundly disabled children, laughing all the way.

theres gotta be something wrong wiht this woman

No. 69932

I really doubt I could raise a severely disabled child. Something like ADHD or stuff I could work with, but kids like this that require constant attention, medical help, can never live a normal, conscious life etc., I just couldn't do it. It wouldn't be fair to the "healthy" other child or the whole family OR the sick child to live a life completely revolving around vain attempts to try and make it work. More power to the people who want to live a life like this >>69887 but I just couldn't handle it.

No. 69933

>>69636
>>69639
You anons nailed it. When my dog was suffering because of a terminal illness and in horrible pain, couldn't do anything anymore etc. we had it put down. I couldn't bear to have him suffer anymore because I loved him so much. It was hard for me to let go but it had to be done. It would've been selfish to have him around for a little longer just so I wouldn't be heartbroken to let him have peace.

No. 69937

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