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This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous thread:
>>>/ot/1941872Relevant /snow/ threads:
>>>/snow/1987643 (MTF general)
>>>/snow/1984807 (FTM general)
No. 1992067
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How long until they undo letting trannies in women sports? How many women need to get injured for them to stop enabling?
No. 1992125
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No. 1992152
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I really despise how they have to take the most mundane things and smother them with their gendie crap. As somebody who wore these shorts and never trooned out, i was quite triggered by this. If anything, these shorts have always reminded of Ryan from high school musical.
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If Marsha wasn't trannywashed by the TQ+ community, his death wouldn't have been mentioned as "a crime against black queer and trans people". Murder or suicide, let that man rest like the drag queen he said he was, not a TIM that made something "revolutionary".
No. 1992248
>>1992125KEK this is my first time seeing the TIM version. Also
>lawful hsts blaire white>neutral hsts jazz jenningsWhat about Contra and PT though? Lawful AGPs?
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>>1992125KEK nona you are the best ♥
No. 1992276
>>1992267>Kind of want to protect chaotic HSTS I get it, the one non-AGP troon i knew was some gay kid from HS who was trafficked as a minor and constantly hung out with dangerous men. He was chaotic HSTS through and through. Everyone around him (us) was extremely homophobic, it was obvious his 'transition' came along things like prostitution and being singled out for being effeminate. HSTS troons like this are among the few TiMs i actually feel like defending and being concerned about, you could argue they were child
victims of gender ideology before it was even mainstream.
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It's hilarious witnessing absolute consoomers(some of whom I know were once die-hard HP fans) make a complete U-turn and behave as if it's the most worst thing imaginable and that they've always known about it. `
No. 1992621
>>1992604I interacted with people who really think like this and it's funny how they are always fans of authors that are actually "
problematic" like they describe but don't seem like they understand what they just read or make excuses for these (male) authors, a big example is Lovecraft. Poor guy, he is just a product of his time and he deeply regretted it all in the end, don't you know…
No. 1992667
>>1992621Lovecraft: So racist he even called his cat "n-" and said they should stay away from white people.
Everybody: Oh it was product of his time.
JK Rowling: Women should stay safe of TIMs
Everybody: She's literal Hitler!
No. 1992713
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>>1992125The neutral HSTS is Jazz?
No. 1992736
>>1992604the way these people act you would think JKR is Literally Hitler and not a past DV
victim advocating to keep men out of women's spaces. it's jarring to think about how this was a non-controversial opinion a mere 10-20 years ago. it's almost hilarious how these same idiots typically have nothing to say about other ~controversial~ media figures (Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, etc.) so long as they beat their wives.
>Harry Potter books are full of racism, xenophobia holy fuck, i'm not even an HP fan, but it's obvious she's calling attention to how bad these things are. i suppose you would need to have reading comprehension skills better than a four-year-old's to understand, so that explains why gendies can't process this.
>antisemitismif you see a strange, mythical creature who operates a bank and immediately think "Jew!!" then maybe you're the antisemite
No. 1992737
>>1992125>The giant hands with Laful HSTSKekkkk
nonnie,ily this is great
No. 1992810
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Someone was pointing out the extremely high rates of sex offenders among TiMs in the replies to a JKR tweet. Troons swarmed to accuse the poster of lying and one of them posted these numbers. Do they not realize how their own propaganda contradicts them? A child could look at these numbers and immediately tell rates of sex offenses are much higher for TiMs (58.9% for TiMs vs 3% for women). In fact they even surpass men (16%). I'm sure the numbers would be much higher for men if we correctly prosecuted rapes and SA but it does say something that troons are abnormally prone to antisocial conduct when it comes to sex, even by moid standards. If i was a TiM i'd crawl back to my mancave and never ever bring up politics after seeing how i belong to one of the most rapey demographics ever.
No. 1992878
>>1992810Why’re they pretending to have no idea about this? I understand some of them are ashamed of their rapeape compatriots and are seeking to distance themselves, because they’re not like other men, but they didn’t actually change reality by putting on a dress. Just because they claimed oppression doesn’t mean they escaped from the predators in their ranks. The predators are still there just using these morons as cover.
The only way for them to fix this is to start policing their own community but they won’t do that because they’re all sexual deviants sexually harassing people by wearing their fetish in public and they can’t draw attention to it because then they’d have to confront the fact they’re still men acting like men.
No. 1993406
>>1992125>protectThe HSTS guys
>send to psych ward for treatmentNeutral enby, neutral AGP
>killThe rest
No. 1993500
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Does anyone else hate this pipeline?
No. 1993513
>>1993503it’s men in womanface, for one. can you see the problem with blackface?
if they kept it to themselves, that would be one thing, but we’re forced to enable their weird fetish and let them into our spaces because of it.
No. 1993516
>>1993503Gender critical isn't founded on hatred in the first place. There is no need to believe in a black and white good and evil to disagree with the ideology. Many of them are indeed well-meaning ordinary people trying to cope with body dysmorphia and internalised homophobia/misogyny. So? what Their core belief system is wrong. You don't have to agree with it to be understanding or sympathetic to them.
>>1993509Yes, that's what I meant. The "self I was made to be" comment in which she now is wearing a form fitting low-cut dress is what mostly irked me.
No. 1993518
>>1993500Was she just an enby or something? Did she think dressing in a more stereotypically way makes her more woman than how she was in the first picture? I don't really see a journey here, rather just a woman who decided to glow up and stop styling herself in an unflattering way that hides her body, which i support if she is genuinely happy like this.
>>1993503This thread is made specifically for venting on this issue so you're good. I am autistic too, but the thing that peaked me is learning about how harmful hrt and srs was and learning about agps. I don't actually wish all troons death, i don't even think the most hardcore terfs really thing that either since many of them can still be reformed. The idea that gender critical people hate troons is a narrative that troons push to get more people to feel sorry for them and to demonise the opposition no matter how logical the said opposition is. After learning that there is a whole entire industry that seeks to squeeze money out of people who need serious mental help by encouraging them to mutilate themselves instead of helping them build coping mechanisms and learn to love themselves, i can't support such a thing in any capacity, along with the fact that so much of trans rights concerning mtf seek to override the safety and boundaries of females, whilst males seem to be left unscathed in the matter. All the hate that trans people get is largely because of the content of their character because a lot of them present with blatant narcissistic traits.
No. 1993545
>>1993513I guess I feel like I cannot personally think of it as blackface since for a lot of troons it doesn't seem like a joke or intentional mockery and they are legitimately distressed. Yes there is usually harmful stereotypes involved but most don't seem to be doing that particular aspect of their transition maliciously from what I can tell.
>>1993516This mostly makes sense, thank you. I still struggle confidently saying that all troons simply have internalized homophobia or normal BDD if some feel cured from transition. Who am I to say? Maybe none really do and its all a lie but how can one know for sure?
>>1993518The AGP issue is the worst one for me I think. Seeing the 4chan /lgbt/ board and what is said there disgusts me. I think you're right that there is a system that preys on people but it feels wrong to say that I know what's best for everyone. I met an MTF troon IRL once who seemed normal enough and now I feel like I still associate gender stuff with them even when the communities I'm in get ruined from AGPs. It feels wrong for me to hold absolute opinions that would prevent someone like that from living their life in a way that works for them. Sometimes I feel like my problem is that I don't hold stronger convictions on topics that I don't consider important above all else.
Also thank you for the replies. I'm not trying to argue a side (I don't have one) this is just helping me think through this whole thing outside of affirmation bubbles. This topic is so
toxic and hopefully I am not seeming that way. It feels like I'm considered an evil GC in some places and some kind of troon apologist in others. I think having a strong anti-troon culture on the farms is important regardless since it seems like the only way to keep the AGPs from taking over.
No. 1993562
>>1992235I basically know two types of women who do this, the first is the typical kweer/TIF/whatever variety that just thinks being straight is not cool and want the social clout of calling themselves queer, but the other kind is women with really bad trauma issues from dating men who start dabbling in the idea of being gay or 'a kinsey 5' because they've been so traumatized by dating men. I actually have a friend who went through this recently after another
abusive moid dumped her and acted
abusive toward her, where her therapist for some reason floated the idea of her being lesbian actually and she ran with it, even changing her whole wardrobe to try to be 'lesbian coded.' I suspected it was just a weird mental issue and indeed, a few months after insisting she's totally lesbian and wants to meet girls she still spergs with extreme specificity about her standards in men and how and why she finds specific males in the media hot and has said absolutely nothing of the kind about any woman, aside from occasionally remembering she's supposed to be lesbian now and saying something offhandedly about wanting to meet girls. She's not a TIF but I think some of these women if they were a little younger when the trans thing took off would probably become some sort of enby or non-transitioning TIF as well just because trauma around their heterosexual relationships.
I wish it was more common for women to talk to other women and younger girls about how traumatic not just female puberty and treatment of young women/beauty standards are but also about how dark it can be to date men because I think a lot of women end up confused and trying to take refuge in the 'queer' movement because they weren't prepared for how hating shitty men and heterosexual relationship dynamics is a normal thing for straight women to experience.
No. 1993571
>>1993516To me this looks like a very young girl who probably had body image issues/didn't feel very attractive hitting age 19/20 and realizing that she actually can be conventionally attractive and embracing it. A lot of the enby/TIF type girls I knew when I was younger weren't even gay or GNC in any real way, but were just insecure about their looks and felt they couldn't 'match up' to expectations for attractive women. She might be one of those types. I went through this too even though I was not straight and had a fairly 'GNC' personality and interests - I leaned into dressing masculine and covering up my body mostly due to insecurity and feeling I couldn't be attractive, then went through a late teens/early 20s phase of dressing like the stereotypical hot girl when I got over my awkward phase.
>>1993565Yeah I think either weight issues or hitting puberty earlier than other girls and getting made fun of for your big boobs/butt/curviness before you have grown into them facially is a lot of what causes early/mid teens girls to troon out or at least dress GNC and avoid stereotypical gender presentation and boys (even when they're straight). Just because she's dressing like that for presumably a college party or something now doesn't necessarily mean she's femininitymaxxing and thinks she needs to dress like a bimbo all the time, she might have just started liking her body.
No. 1993585
>>1993503>>1993545It's not off-topic for this thread and I used to be where you were at with this so I will take a crack at it. I don't think it is a requirement of being GC to 'hate all troons' although I think a lot of GC women naturally start hating all troons either because they have negative experiences with them all irl or because once they start expressing 'terfier' views online or in person they get attacked by even the seemingly benign, 'good' kinds of troons for their fairly straightforward feminist opinions. For me personally I used to be more amenable to some aspects of gender ideology and have a ton of trans-identified friends/acquaintances but as soon as I started expressing certain GC views I was relentlessly attacked and hounded by even the most benign seeming trans-identified acquaintances, and realized that no matter how many times you want to give an inch they will take a mile and still demand more. I'm the same anon who mentioned on the last thread I had a party where a bunch of TIF/enby girls were discussing a male enby rapist and the only male enby at the party started freaking out at these TIF/nb girls for calling the rapist 'he,' completely bulldozing the entire conversation about a serial rapist to make his feelings matter more than the feelings of his
victims. The troons who seem benign will usually let the mask slip at some point and show that they really don't give a shit about women's and children's rights, safety or feelings and once you have been in that position enough times a lot of GC women give up on trying to befriend or give the benefit of the doubt to 'the good ones.'
But on a more theoretical level, you can't tell people how to live their lives, but those people will probably at some point tell you how you can live your life. Try to introduce laws to take protections and safeguarding away from women legally, or implement laws like C16 in Canada that made it legally punishable not to use someone's preferred pronouns. Which means that women who don't believe men are women are compelled by law to lie to themselves and others publicly that they think these men are women. If it wasn't a zero-sum game that would be one thing but most of these people when you agitate for their right to 'live the way they want' won't do the same for you.
Then there's the grooming aspect - especially of children but adults too - where the medical and pharma industries are lying that puberty blockers are safe and reversible or SRS surgeries give safe and usable results when they don't. This starts being promoted to children, mentally ill people, and just people too stupid to know that the medical industry is lying to them. The only long term studies in existence show that a couple years post-SRS most troons are actually more miserable and suicidal than they were before, because they realized how badly they fucked up their bodies and now they have nonfunctioning genitals, can never orgasm, and a ton of other health issues they can never come back from on top of never being perceived as the sex they want to be perceived as. Also many countries are making taxpayers pay for these surgeries. If someone had full informed consent to get SRS and paid for it out of pocket, it would only be as much of a problem as someone with BID getting a doctor to amputate a healthy limb (which is illegal in most countries btw), but it's so much worse than that because they are lied to about the outcomes and usually taking HRT and cutting out their reproductive organs causes even worse systemic body issues than just amputating a limb would. Early onset osteoporosis, hormonal issues, cognitive issues, etc.
Re: the blackface comparison, is blackface accepted when it's not 'intentional' mockery? Not in our current society. A man doesn't have to think he's mocking a woman to make a mockery of womanhood by being a misogynist and applying misogynistic stereotypes and trying to enact them with skirt go spinny and programmer socks, but it's insulting to actual women anyway. It's a man trying to coopt and appropriate women's experiences using only the most offensive and surface-level markers of femininity. Even if it's not malicious most people take issue with people non-maliciously pretending to be another race, like Rachel Dolezal, who ironically tried to do more for her local black community than 99.999% of troons ever try to do for actual women. Because if you're not black, you don't know what it's like to be black, and if you're not female, you don't know what it's like to be female. Even the fact that you think you can know is insulting and is making a mockery of the people you're LARPing as.
You can't know for sure that zero troons really feel cured from transition but it's interesting that on the rare occasions research has been done, they are worse off post-medical transition than they were before. Again ask yourself why we don't publicly fund skin darkening/lightening for people who think they 'would feel better' as another race, liposuction for anorexics, or amputations for people with BID.
If you met a nice HSTS or AGP once I don't think GC ideology tells you that you need to instantly hate them and think they're evil, many mentally disordered and delusional people might be nice people at the end of the day. But ask yourself if they can really become the opposite sex, and if not, how much should other people be legally and socially forced to treat them like they are the opposite sex? Did the 'nice' troon you know want people to treat them this way under force of legal violence or social censure? If a troon wants to present as 'the opposite sex' but is completely fine with everyone not treating them that way, then maybe they are less
problematic than the rest, but I've found that no troon I've ever talked to is actually OK with just letting other people live as they want, being cordial with people who don't treat them as the sex they're 'presenting' as, don't want any additional legal rights, etc.
No. 1993598
>>1993545I fully get why you're uneasy with generalizations as an autistic person, but recognizing patterns is okay and important. It is not a generalization when GCs point out most troons are driven by fetish, it's just an observable fact, and it doesn't exclude other factors and personal trajectories.
>they are legitimately distressedThat's right, but being legitimately distressed doesn't negate the presence of a fetish based around consuming and objectifying womanhood. It makes perfect sense that men who let their fetish consume their life are distressed. Bear in mind that this distress is often not directly caused by their trans identity. Body dysmorphia, trauma, addictions, being an incel, feeling inadequate are all blamed on their trans struggle. It's a perverse way of shielding their poor choices from critique or a terrible coping mechanism, depending on how you look at it. I cannot stress enough how AGP is common, i've known so many soft guys who seemed alright and distressed by their 'gender' only to see them describe their disgusting fetish once they felt comfortable enough. Yes, even the ones who didn't do 'womanface' or acted lewd or were transbians. The starting point is always 'woman = slut, i want to be slut'. These 'okay TiMS' wouldn't ever bring up their fetish or attempt transition 30 years ago, because they're well-adjusted enough to not let it destroy everything (keep in mind that most AGPs keep it at home). Still, they are men who take advantage of the current context to live out a fantasy at the expense of women. The only ones who never showed such signs were blatantly gay moids, which aligns pretty well with the AGP/HSTS dichotomy. It sounds simplistic, but male sexuality can often be extremely stereotypical and predictable.
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No. 1993616
>>1993598You made a very good point that in most cases TIMs are driven by legitimate mental distress caused by their own degeneracy, but even if it wasn't degeneracy driving them 'legitimate distress' is such a bad excuse for trying to force other people to play along with your delusions. I am legitimately distressed that as a woman I am physically weaker and less able to defend myself from moids than moids are, but that distress has nothing to do with how people 'see' me and everything to do with the fact that I literally just don't have the punch strength, grip strength, speed etc. that moids do. No amount of begging for people to 'see me' as I would like to be seen will make me competitive with male sprinters or high jumpers or boxers. I am legitimately distressed that I was skinny and pretty for most of my life but got fat due to PCOS and hypothyroidism, but people would think I was legitimately cognitively delayed if I demanded that everyone treat me like a 'skinny person' whatever that means now that I gained weight, and made clothes that fit me that say they're size 00 or were attracted to me the way they are to 110lb women. No amount of feeling legitimately distressed about your physical reality changes your physical reality, and most other people with good reasons for legitimate distress know that and don't expect people to pretend they're, e.g., skinny, or NOT paraplegic/in a wheelchair, or NOT blind, or NOT as fast a runner as the next person, or whatever. Most "legitimate" social causes revolve around people who are honest about their physical and social reality asking for accommodations for that physical and social reality so they are not excluded from society more than they absolutely have to be, they're not asking to literally be included in things they can't possibly be included in. Every other social movement for people distressed about their reality revolves around somewhat improving their reality, not making everyone else play an elaborate childlike game of pretend with them. Paraplegics get to play basketball in their own competitions where they can play in a wheelchair if they're actually fit and strong enough to do that, not play pretend basketball games where people pretend they're running around on 2 legs. This is literally the only mainstream social movement I can think of where the cure for the 'legitimate distress' of a supposedly disenfranchised person is to pretend they are something they're not.
>>1993602Average looking girl making an annoying facial expression becomes somewhat more attractive average looking girl by smiling. Wow!
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I have half an idea how tumblr just became the perfect breeding ground for trans rights activism. At its peak, it's a fandom blogging site with most users being loser girls who care too much about fiction and lack of conforming with irl peers. In marketing, the word "tribe" means a group of people with the same beliefs, affinities and interests. Thanks to our centuries of lizard brain, people tend to personally connect and champion their "tribes". We feel attacked if our perceived tribe is attacked, and we feel rewarded if our perceived tribe get good things etc. Tumblr easily became a tribe for awkward/autistic girlies who just don't fit in, and inclusivity and understanding naturally follows. There's a culture for being terminally online/fandom addiction, self-deprecating humor, and NLOGism. And to fit in in this new tribe, you had to internalize that. And when the tribe culture is built on not fitting in, you'd have shit escalating like otherkin, transing as the other gender, neogenders/neopronouns etc. It doesn't matter that it uses unquantifiable experiences to tell they're real, everyone has to accept this group of people who don't fit in anywhere, and with the definition so vague, you can be trans, the cool new kid, too. Anyway this is partially my experienced, I ticked a few boxes here. I was bullied and ostracized in school and still working through my awkwardness/mild social anxieties in my adulthood. Tumblr felt like an addicting self-deprecating bucket. I was an NLOG, and at some point I even questioned my gender until I realized that I just like thinking about boys because I'm a straight woman kek. And then I peaked realizing that the tim who sent me genderbent porn to hint that he's a tim groomed me as 5 years his junior.
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what a load of bs
No. 1994150
>>1994133faghag behaviour kek
but for real though, the troons that admit they are their real sex and basically just crossdress under the label of trans are a lot easier to accept and to have some compassion for. I can accept blaire white for example since he says tims are a type of men, it's still a bit icky to see men cosplay women caricatures but if a gay guy wants to play dress up then sure. But troons like him are hated by most of the trans community
No. 1994234
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>>1992125does anyone have the chart like this one but with TIFs? I remember there being a blue-haired MHA fan, one that was just a woman who doesn't wear skirts, etc. here's another TIM one I had saved as payment
No. 1994365
>>1994264I've seen that too here in lc, they use b
tch and cnt like is a comma. At first I thought it was a bunch of fagots but it seems that an influx of tiktoktards and twittfags teenagers are coming to the "radfem IB" for some autistic reason. As someone from a shithole country is bizarre to say the least wanting to "take back" a slur, you don't see people of african descent wanting to take back the n-word, even faggots don't call themselves fagggots in the open so women deluding themselves into thinking they can "take back and own" misogynistic slurs is maximum retardation.
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>>1992125>lawful agpKEKKKKK you're a genius
No. 1994516
>>1994248nona this one is good too
>>1994370but this is the one I was looking for!! Thank you ♥
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>>1994234Hon looks exactly like this tiktok troon
No. 1994874
>>1992621>>1992687And you can’t even “separate the art from the artist” with Lovecraft because his writing is infused with his beliefs. He was obsessed with race-mixing and the ‘monsters’ that would result from it.
The fish people from The Shadow over Innsmouth, with their bulging eyes, wide thick-lipped mouths and wide flat noses, are meant to invoke black people. Vile man.
Anyway, the house elves in Harry Potter are as much an allegory for battered housewives as slavery. JKR directly references SPEW (the Society for Promoting the Employment of Women), an early feminist organisation. In my opinion she did a pretty good job capturing the widespread societal apathy towards the oppression and exploitation of women, as well as the patriarchal brainwashing that keeps women complicit in it. It hasn’t escaped me that the people criticising JKR’s depiction of house elves are the same people chanting ‘sex work is work’ and perpetuating the happy hooker myth.
No. 1994998
I can understand that some men prefer to dress in a feminine way. Or they see themselves as so feminine that they're a true and honest woman. They choose a female name and wear female clothes so they can LARP. OK. Fine.
It becomes a problem for me when they bring their LARP into single sex spaces. Especially DV shelters - how entitled do you have to be to demand that traumatised women prioritise YOUR feelings above their very real problems? A woman who has been beaten and raped by a member of YOUR sex, in a phenomenon that all societies have recognised since the beginning of time, and that modern statistics show is an unfortunate reality? Sex is a reality that even transcends species; almost all life on earth has a clear distinction between male and female… and you want us to ignore that so you can roleplay as the woman of your dreams?
I don't want to "genocide" trans people, either. If you have a pathological need to LARP as the opposite sex full time then you need to accept that society will place you in a third category. Your biology is neither male nor female due to the modifications you have made to it. Create your own sports leagues, DV shelters, hospital wards, dating sites etc. No one wants to kill you. You're just butthurt we don't see you as a true and honest woman. Grow up and understand not everyone sees you in the positive light you see yourself. Sex discrimination is necessary to give men and women equal opportunities to succeed in society.
People finding your existence disgusting is something you have to get used to, BTW. Welcome to the experience of every POC or gay person in the world. Since I was old enough to be aware of racism, I have stepped outside with the knowledge that some people in my country wish I hadn't been born. I can't change the color of my skin or my sexuality. But you had to DECIDE to take hormones, get surgery, and live as a woman. You CHOSE to take on an identity that people discriminate against. Welcome to the consequences of your actions!
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Really cool how "life saving care" makes people attempt suicide even more, wow such euphoria, dysphoria cured, another life saved!
I've said it before but if you genuinely hate trans people the absolute best thing you can do to cause them the most amount of harm is too cheer them on and give them what they (think they) want.
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Dead by Daylight tranny that allegedly didn’t know who he was voicing died last week lol
No. 1995397
>>1995372He knew it was a shapeshifting horror creature, he was just mad that it turned out to be ugly. Which monsters usually are.
Was the rare condition he had related to taking hormones?
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>>1995409It's called the unknown, a shape shifter that can mimic voices to lure in
victims. The default appearance is basic zombie guy but it also has this skin that got some trannies mad
No. 1995438
>>1995419they claim to be women but no woman gave a shit about this because women know it's caricatural, they really tell on themselves kek
Also I wonder how hormones influenced his "brain swelling"!
No. 1995461
>>1995372Sorry for this joke but
maybe he's just planning on coming back as the zombie from the game
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I go to a gaming bar every Tuesday to play vidya and hang out with friends, on Tuesday they do a Smash Bros tournament. 2 days ago I got to play against the resident TiM, he has unwashed hair with a badly done ponytail, a fat face with a noticeable belly, skinny shirts that make his body more apparent, small facial hair, he wears a pin that says "they/them" but the French version and a rainbow coloured bag. I can only give him credit for not wearing a skirt. To register to this tourney you gotta use a third party site, he has a fucking picrew pfp that is pic related (and yes with that filename), it's very funny.
I'm bad at vidya, I lost and he didn't play unfairly or anything but goddamn, sitting next to that beast was uncomfortable in general. He's always hanging out with a pretty woman that looks like she takes a lot of care of herself, it feels night and day when they're next to each other.
No. 1996705
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Imagine grieving for imaginary situations.
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why is the nazi-to-mtf pipeline so common?
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Ends with him implying his mom should transition
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Imagine throwing temper tantrums over growing long hair but all of a sudden when it’s associated with men and masculinity it becomes a-ok
The more I come this specific emulation of masculinity the more I find gendered divide absurd (not in a gendie way that’s disgusting)
I also find it with some lesbians, the only reason they present themselves a certain way is because of its association with masculinity but in a world where it was flipped and dresses were considered masculine they would be running around in dresses. Maybe im thinking about it too much
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>>1996915Oh this one's interesting. Doesn't seem like your classic raging homosexual or hyper-manly, authority-obsessed AGP. This looks like he was in desperate need for a new set of values, something that worked better for him than the KKK ideology that isolated him and made him look insane. He had to reevaluate his entire value system as an adult (this usually happens earlier), which made him vulnerable to campus LGBTQIA+ woo. He probably got told 'just be yourself! You're okay as you are' and thought it was the most revolutionary and awesome thing ever.
No. 1997262
From /snow/: TIF claims she called a woman with a "terf bag" a coward and suddenly "cis women" are more dangerous than men.
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>>1997262These comments are so retarded
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>>1997392>>1997405Besides you can bet $1 that shit would be over tq+ news or pinknews about "a poor trans man was abused by a pharmacist during the day" and many people would have asked to the pharmacist to be fired. I bet she's so ACAB so that's why she didn't report it.
>>1997383"I'll take a photo of a woman against her will and make it about me and my feelings because the tote bag was a
terf one". Of course the consequences are she explaining she's afraid of women for carrying tote bags?
No. 1997468
>>1997459That's weird as fuck. Don't they also claim "not all queer people like to be called queer"? Then why would be '
problematic' that a bi woman don't like to be called 'queer'? You dodged a bullet, nonna.
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>>1997478>>1997509If that's the case, then that girl wasn't for you. I wouldn't date someone whose only talk is about gender stuff and nothing else. Gimme your ideas about hobbies or interest or about general news or your fav tv show, at least. Besides if it makes you feel you had to walk under egg shells because "anything you say might sound like a
terf would say"?
>>1997515Not mention also they LOVE to make "trans people were from old times" in an era where everything was homophobic, misogynist, pedophile and much more. Why would you want to claim something was "queer" back then when women didn't even have voice to speak about something? They love to grasping at the straws.
No. 1997526
>>1997521Yeah nona I wouldn't date her anyway because like I said I'm in a relationship but part of the reason I went to the party was to try to make more new friends after a spell of being kind of solitary. Except the only new people I met worth talking to were scrotes, the 2 women I met who I got into conversations with both seemed like insane genderists (the other one was worse, but also is straight). I just hate that I go to parties now and feel jumpier around women, especially gay women, because they all seem TRA-aligned. I don't need more moid friends, my 2 careers are STEM and music which are full of moids, but whenever I meet women I initially get along with they say something so genderist I am afraid to talk to them anymore.
Trans people from old times is just a retarded take, especially considering that most historical examples are either marginalized/prostituted gay men or women who hid their biosex because they wanted to do a job or hold a position they were passionate about. In one sense I wish we talked about 'old timey' queer people more so we could just highlight the difference between 'trans' males who were usually some form of prostituted child or degenerate like d'Eon versus 'trans' females who were usually just a normal woman who wanted to be a doctor, sailor, biologist, or in the military.
No. 1997536
>>1997535Haven't intersex people been complaining for decades that troons should stop using them as a talking point? Why won't they stop.
The only legit context in which to bring up 'intersex' people is males in women's sports like the Rio olympics when 3 men won the 800-meter dash. That's a good example of why troon males shouldn't be in women's sports either, otherwise intersex people have like nothing to do with troons.
No. 1997615
>>1997262Flirting with me to upset me?
Calling me dear to upset me?
Sending kisses to upset me?
I couldn't imagine living such a life of professional victimisation that someone drops a X on the end of a sentence and you freak out like that
No. 1997634
>>1997596A pooner used to be a female 4chan user. There was one sperg who came to the boards and said all women are poons (so are "your mom/sis/wife/daughter"), as much as i remember, followed by another moid replying they dont care if their relatives trooned. Brutal.
But for insults such as tranny or troon is rarely thrown around among normies though. Misogyny is brutal nonas.
No. 1997915
>>1997810>>1997814nta but, as a tall woman (6' kek), I do think you can end up living a different 'female experience' to short women. An easy example is that most people can't physically look down on me, and my stature (now that I've gotten over myself and am not insecure about it) can kinda back up my confidence, if that makes sense? I'm either only a couple inches shorter than or eye-level with a few men, and taller than most, so I don't find them particularly intimidating by default. The dumb animal part of people's brains seems to view height as a respectable/authoritative trait, so there's that as well– it's like people see me as more of an 'adult' than my shorter female peers sometimes. It's a bunch of subtle stuff that filters through every interaction, though there's some negatives too, such as being accused of being male (even if your features are otherwise very feminine), people assuming you're being more threatening/intimidating than you are because you're looming, and people do stare (especially if you go from sitting to standing, or travel to Asia or something lol). You also can't get away with 'cutesy' behaviour and mannerisms, it weirds everyone out kek
I got almost no shit (hell, I got encouragement) growing up for being a turbo tomboy in comparison to my short tomboy friends, as if people just didn't expect me to try to look and behave more femininely because that ship had already sailed by being born a giraffe. You also get locked out of a lot of more feminine clothing options, as something advertised as knee-length, for example, can be mid-thigh or higher (depending on brands and styles). Even if you can get everything to work, it's easy to feel like a gigantic clown because you're just literally bigger than most other women and so something that looks cute on a 5'3'' woman looks tacky and desperate on you (or worse, TIM-ish). I'm not saying a tall woman can't be feminine either, just that it can be a bit harder to be forced into the mould when you're too long for it, so they have to be feminine on their own terms rather than trying to match aesthetics geared towards average or petite women.
Sorry for the big anecdotal ramble, but height and its relation to gendie shit interests me because I would have thought more girls like I was growing up would go for it, as ime it's pretty common for tall women to likened to men anyway and with the current rhetoric I could see someone giving up and going troon, but instead it's almost always short women and I just don't get it.
No. 1998043
>>1997915>You also get locked out of a lot of more feminine clothing optionsTall women have their struggles too but I'm sure they're some custom made clothes out there just for them. It's not like they should give up and become ftm just because feminine clothes are not sold their size and built.
>they have to be feminine on their own terms>it's easy to feel like a gigantic clown because you're just literally bigger than most other womenIt feels like finding scraps for not just tall women but women with large shoulders, large "mannish" bodies too. I'd say this applies more to women with more particularly broad shoulders and wider frames than taller women because they were made to feel masculine, and it's only lucky they could be comfortable if they are tomboys to begin with.
>with the current rhetoric I could see someone giving up and going troon, but instead it's almost always short women and I just don't get itWe neither, and people are actually struggling to see how troonism even works. Tall or big women who were made to feel unfeminine or a "tomboy by default" their whole lives they went the troon route thinking it's easier might make more sense.
>>1997810>I'm the older sister with my TIF sister,and it's hilarious she kept repeating why am I treated "more like a guy"Being the oldest sister in an all-girl sibship might have this effect therefore a lot of TiFs tends to be oldest daughters (but loosely compared, as i refer to older sisters of younger brothers) for the opposite reason.
Most of the time older sisters were raised as boys in extreme cases, even persisting after a newborn brother's birth if getting the male privilege is important to some families.
Going troon for women if they have only little brothers are as earlier anon said, a way to restore balance by identifying as trans, going troon for women if they have only younger sisters are like the tall women analogy if you can compare.
No. 1998116
>>1998043>Tall women have their struggles too but I'm sure they're some custom made clothes out there just for them>not like they should give up and become ftm just because feminine clothes are not sold their size and builtThis is true, sorry I didn't mean to imply that, more so that a lot of stereotypically feminine clothing styles or common brands won't have options that fit well (cheap brands also often run short in length because it's cheaper and can be gotten away with for the average customer, and sizing usually assumes and increase in circumference rather than height, so I could for example get something long enough but it's too baggy or expects a larger bust). I dress femininely as well as masculinely, I wasn't trying to imply that women should just give up if they're not catered to, I was more trying to comment on how height can potentially cause you to miss out on some female socialisation because of how others perceive you.
I agree about women who have broader shoulders etc as also having it tough when it comes to clothing and other's judgement of their femininity, especially if they're not interested in tomboyish looks or being butch. A lot of the fashion advice I've seen for those body types/features almost seems intentionally frumpy too, it's unfortunate.
>>1998048I've gotten this from a couple tifs while at uni and they were such little creeps about it kek
No. 1998120
>>1997526I feel exactly the same way. I’m straight but most of my female friends used to be lesbian or bi and/or autistic, and every single one of them turned into a gender proselytiser who thinks you should call a 4-year-old girl ‘they/them’ if she likes cars and dinosaurs. It’s extremely difficult to try and make new female friends when you’re constantly waiting for them to drop the gender bomb on you. I’ve never met another gc woman in real life. They’re all either clueless on the issue (but lean towards ‘being kind’) or they’re hardcore TRAs. It’s very isolating.
>>1997558I think >90% of men who claim to be ‘intersex’ online are lying. Actual men with Klinefelter’s or CAIS or any other DSD aren’t going to be advertising the fact
unless they’re raising awareness and educating, in which case they’ll probably specify which condition they have since there are so many and they present in so many different ways. A man simply calling himself ‘intersex’ is probably fetishising being part-female and likely doesn’t have any DSD at all.
No. 1998199
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>>1998156A lot of anons presume that most tifs troon out to become hot twinks and want to dunk on them when they get male pattern baldness and acne. But it's not the case with a lot of tifs, especially the ones who have history with sexual abuse. I recall a lot of detransitioners stating that the thought that they were ugly as women caused them to troon out in the first place. I also believe people who lement how tifs are wasting their attractiveness by trooning out are not helpful either, maybe they don't like the attention. Either way, i totally agree that basing so much of a woman's worth on how attractive she is a key issue that causes many women to develop dysphoria that may develop into them wanting to become a man. You're not really hurting their feelings by calling them ugly any more than as if a troon was to call a gender critical person a
terf. What's even the point? Tifs have bigger fish to fry in regards to the damage testosterone does to their bodies outside their physical appearance and how prescribing testosterone for women with body dysmorphia is barely different from prescribing crack cocaine to someone with depression considering it's literally an addictive substance.
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eatin a tuna sandw ich, feels good anons
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I still don't understand why trannies are so obsessed with jerma
No. 1998238
>>1998104I’m disappointed by the obsession to look like a man and cry over having boobs and hips which makes them look more womanly and unable to wear men’s clothing.
I hate seeing it in women’s spaces it breeds such unnecessary insecurity, why is that the ideal butch fashion what happened to “butch is an attitude not just fashion “
No. 1998291
So I'm a merch artist and I feel like I'm the only ""cis"". I swear, every week I have to check the pronouns of my colleagues so I don't accidentally misgender someone and cause a ruckus in the middle of the convention. I'm really tired, it feels like right now it's a requirement and no one can't convince me it's not social contagion. One after another, like bowling pins, in particular my "neighbour" artist started to go by they/them after her bff (also merch artist and fandom artist) started to go by they/them. I cannot risk my source of income right now so I'm a crypto but I wish they could tell me how it makes sense, they're very feminine and often go in alt/lolita coords at cons but they claim to be tifs because being feminine as a tif is somehow breaking the gender norms but the norms are outside, not inside your brain. You break the gender norms when people can see that you do break them. If people call you "she" and you have to correct them, then this empowering move is not working…why? Why can't I enjoy my little autistic fandom corners anymore? Why everything has to go political? Why are every nerd hobbies filled with the most destructive nlog fade? I'm actually sad. To avoid them, 10 years ago, I just had to walk past smelly and sweaty pride parades, now they're infecting everything, because this shit spreads like a disease. I dread for the day that they'll ask my pronouns or kick out my space because yes, if you see this whole phenomenon, both fandom and gender shit became big after 2020. I've been here since the mid to late 2000s and this shit is depressing. Sage for rant but really, this has to stop somewhere. I think it eventually become so boring that everyone will move one and cringe at their past selves but the fact that his fade is entirely political and has laws changing, women's rights being blurred and to be silenced only for asking questions is tiring as shit.
No. 1998297
>>1998222the irony being that a truly good person would never support troons in the first place
>>1998203that rethoric is so retarded, a woman is a woman regardless of the way she looks and i do agree its definitely part of why so many troon out. being a woman shouldnt be so associated with beauty in general when moids get to exist as their ugly selves and are the ones who should be impressing women with their looks
>>1998282no i would do the same
>>1998291so relateable, being in fandoms sucks now because of this shit. it'll definitely disappear at some point and they'll move on to something else eventually but it's taking so long and i hate to think my teenage years and 20s i've had to deal with this shit like why can't it end faster. i'd like to actually be able to enjoy things without this bullshit before i'm like 80 but it just keeps going
No. 1998308
>>1998300I want them to explaim nonbinarism to me. I'm 100% serious and willing to listen to them but of course their reply is "I don't
feel like I belong to a gender or the other!"
So is gender a feeling?
>No gender is a form of expressionSo it's like fashion?
>How fucking dare you, no, it's real!But you can break gender roles as a girl or boy and to break them you have to follow and acknowledge roles to begin with
>Yes but by not identifying as a girl I'm already breaking the gender roles by being feminineBut if no one can
see your identity, then what this is all for?
>Because I'm okay with being seen as feminine but I know I'm not a woman and that makes me feel good.How come you're not a woman?
>Because I don't feel like one.Back to square one, so what makes a woman a woman?
>Feeling like oneHow does a woman feel? Since you don't feel like a woman you must know how a woman feels by saying that you don't feel like them
>Hmm nonna idk, I'm not a woman, I don't know how they feel :/ I seriously thank my autistic brain that despite what this gendies say, forced me to see things from the logical point of view and saved me from this madness otherwise I would be cooked too, but I don't think I'm the only smart one, you feel me? Like I think you have to actually be stupid to buy this shit and yet so many do, I don't think there are so many retarded people or am I being too optimistic?
No. 1998366
>>1997814>Neither could tifsYou're right, not all TiFs are equal for that matter, ie. autistic/butch/masculine women who troon out come off differently. It comes down to trying hard to be cute and non-threatening, being overly non-confrontational (breaking down on tumblr because you got misgendered instead of 'correcting' the boomer like a TiM would), neurotic preoccupation with aesthetics, treating the self as an object etc. An example would be the long comics where TiFs list all the girly things they like and agonize over what it means for their 'gender'. It's not because they like pink or kawiwi things. It's because treating their 'pretty girly tboy emo' brand like it's
extremely meaningful and indicative of who they are (not just their interest) is ironically very feminine. This is especially true for adult TiFs.
They're more susceptible to this if they're short since people take short women less seriously, infantilizing them, and trooning out looks like a way out but it's not a meaningful break from their former position.
>>1997915You explained it so well. Even tall women who look feminine are treated somewhat differently in all-female groups and by guys, feel alienated by the feminine competition, so they don't bother. This is why tall/athletic girls get along well with 'weird' girls, they have this in common.
No. 1998390
>>1998120AYRT and I was lucky enough to terfpill/peak most of my closer female friends. Once your female friends are willing to say GC stuff around other people I've noticed most normie men will happily go along with it because they mostly only virtue signal about troons for social acceptability points from women, unless they're some variety of shitlib/male feminist or have AGP themselves. I did have a couple good friends I basically lost to the queer/TRA lobbying back in the day unfortunately but a lot of my remaining friends are bisexual and not gendies, plus most of the straight girls I know are sick of troons too. I guess I expected it would be easier to make new female friends in those social circles but what was I thinking?
100% agree that almost all men who claim to be intersex online are lying, and that most people with an actual DSD will engage in charity for/talk about that specific DSD not just bring up 'oh I'm intersex too' at random when they're defending their AGP on twitter.
No. 1998392
>>1998199Most of the women who troon out because they're unattractive as women think they will be attractive as men, nona. Knowing a lot of them personally they do want to be attractive twinks and most are very upset that they became ugly and bald once it really hits them. I even talked a friend out of starting testosterone (she had already seen the therapists for the letter and everything) because I just asked her 'do you really want to lose your natural voice, do you really want body hair, do you really want to start balding' and she was like 'oh I never considered those things before, no that would be horrible.' She later admitted she was specifically transitioning to be more attractive 'as a man' to straight/bi women.
While yes some women do intentionally make themselves look ugly because of trauma, most don't want to look ugly and don't like looking ugly, they just want to look male (which in their eyes is not the same thing as ugly). Testosterone does much worse things to the body than making women ugly but in my experience no one cares or thinks about chronic illness for real until it's personally affected them, while the thought of becoming (even more?) ugly really does terrify most women, even GNC and traumatized women .
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Maintenance Phase is a podcast I listen to often but their recent episode is on "rapid onset gender dysphoria" and it's…..so bad. I don't know why TRAs who are so intelligent and well researched in other areas let it fall apart the second it comes to troons. I'm about half way through and they've mentioned a lot of their info for this episode comes from Julia "getting fucked is what female is" Serrano, yikes.
No. 1998636
>>1998610So kf is the most feminine site known to man? Give me a break
nonnie, men gossip just as much
No. 1998722
>>1997262Xe has the mannerism of a faggot and the looks of a reddit moderator that jerks off to lolicon.
Xillion must die.
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>>1998639kek that retarded anon doesn't know that even LC was made by a man. Kf was also made by a man and is fucking FULL of them.
No. 1999759
>>1999432No one in my immediate area was a troon. It's an Asian country tbh.
>>1999707Their daughters. E.g. having aunts discussing about what to prepare their 12-15 y/o daughters for puberty where I got to witness the actual change of female bodies maturing contrary to the expectations of porny depictions of women on the internet.
I am same-sex attracted, bordering to SSOA so it did a number on my psyche.
No. 1999786
>>1999781So if I'm understanding correctly you are still identifying as a troon? Even now that you know it is because you are same sex attracted? Why?
>>1999784Even relatively good parents and relatives will make these weird comments about their children, my mom was supportive of my gender nonconformity as a child but she used to make comments when I was like literally 7-9 years old about how I had a 'curvy womanly figure' and would grow up looking better than other girls because I was 'curvy,' my mom herself was this extremely shy and tomboyish woman who never dated other than my dad and I can only assume it was some weird thing of living vicariously through me but it traumatized me and made me extremely self-conscious about hitting puberty and developing. I don't think my mom is a pedo at all and I never felt creeped out in that way but when I was older/in my teens she would try to 'peek' at my boobs when I was changing and when I said it made me uncomfortable she said she just 'wanted to see because she never had big ones herself' and then started calling my boobs saggy. She's the type of person who's horrified by the grooming in schools and whatever and would never support pedoshit getting into schools but she still felt the need to project all this weird sexual stuff on me at an extremely young age, she also constantly 'accused' (idk what word to use here) me of having been predated upon by older men when I was a child, like she had a theory I was raped by a camp counsellor or that one of my middle school teachers was a pedo groomer and something 'happened' between us. I don't even think women from conservative cultures realize they're creepy when they do this and I don't think they see it as sexualizing their daughters.
No. 1999794
>>1999791Not really, it's in a way being coincidentially same-sex attracted though it can influence the direction of trooning out. Yes, I identify as a TiF. Discovered this thread from google, in case my opinions are not welcome. There seems to be a no-male rule just by scrolling from the top of the thread alone so I'm in quite a grey area here.
>>1999784>>1999789>>1999788>>1999786>>1999791What mattered was some parents unfortunately fail to understand how receptive and malleable children's minds are to sensitive topics such as sexual wellbeing and adapting to pubertal changes, including extreme discomfort like when moms keep checking on their daughters growth it makes the daughters feel both vulnerable and infantilized, as if she's being creeped on in some level.
Being told about sexual exploration as teens (as a SSA/SSOA) feels so goddamn infantilizing, like it's a whole different level of being predated on. As if lesbians are predatory ffs. Kinda want a different opinion on this from bi women and lesbians, as well as straight women here.
No. 1999798
>>1999794Yeah you're not male so you're probably welcome but this imageboard is pretty hostile to people who believe in gender ideology, personally I don't mind but if you decided to troon out based on the reasons you outlined it seems like you are pretty clear-headed about knowing you're female, I guess I don't understand why you still choose to identify as a TIF instead of just accepting that you are same-sex attracted and hate misogynistic norms for women? Are you planning on getting hormones and surgeries or is it just a self-ID thing? What do you get out of identifying as male when you know you're female and can't escape female socialization?
Can you specify what you mean with the second half of your post, I'm unclear on what you're asking for an opinion on. Like are you asking how being told about sex for adults affects SSA/straight women in general or what adults say about gay and straight women?
>>1999793I can't disagree with the perverted part but I wouldn't call it predatory because I don't know what she really personally got out of acting like this. I think my mom acted 'perverted' because she was actually extremely innocent and shy around sex and her body but was predated upon by other people, and tried to live through me vicariously and confide in me in a weird way about her own hangups. Ironically she would probably consider herself really prudish and clean-minded but I think she has extreme fixations and hangups on sex, sexuality and looks because she herself was a
victim.
No. 1999808
>>1999798E.g. parent's view of sexual expression in teens hits differently for someone like me, like it's so creepy as well in a comparable way to be told by your respective moms about breast development, it's nothing like glamorizing leslarpers or spicy straight kweer girls in mainstream media. It's more on we're near the bottom of the totem pole and getting reminded that our attraction to women and sexual behaviors/predispositions makes us a
valid excuse to be shit on mainly because we don't look like a queer on tv and am not hypersexual enough, supposedly. What I (personally got) end up feeling is being infantilized and being crepeed on like how pushy moms would their daughter. It makes me go nlog on top of going troon when i found out many girls are in a similar position.
>seems like you are pretty clear-headed about knowing you're femaleThere's some kind of knee-jerk allergy that causes me to be disturbed by being referred to as a female irl, it's that I HAVE to be this clear-headed every time to suppress this response. Yes, I would go the buck angel route with a bottom surgery.
No. 1999813
>>1999794This is really quite interesting, is this the first thread you've seen? In any case, I think you're welcome to lurk and comment as you please as long as you read the room properly, although as the other anon said you might be met with hostility in a lot of cases especially you announce you're a TIF (do not announce it in the /snow/ threads at all, you'll get a ban). I'd recommend you give the rules a good read just in case you miss anything, although so far you seem like a reasonable newfag and troon which is refreshing to see for once.
Also, out of curiosity what are your general thoughts and feelings about the general TIPs and TRAs online? Or do you not interact with them at all?
No. 1999822
>>1999813First thread.
I've never came across another TiP irl. Online tho, I usually interact on case by case basis.
For TRAs it's about discerning their reasoning and where it comes from, I won't directly argue with a TRA except in the scenario I am forced into a debate session. If there's any concern, it's about how children and teens are vulnerable to being groomed to becoming troon.
Though, what can't be found on the internet is actually HOW these kids could transform their beliefs overnight that they suddenly believe they're no longer the sex they are born with and deserve troon surgery.
No. 1999826
>>1999823Yeah where I live too you can pick up prescriptions on someone else's behalf. And if they think the person is trying to scam them they call your phone number to make sure you approve of them picking it up, they don't grope whoever is picking it up. Everything about this story is extremely fake sounding and as with many troon fictions sounds like the invention of someone who has not left their own bedroom in 6+ months.
>>1999822So do you believe you were groomed as a child since you started identifying as a TIF at 11 or do you think you were not subject to any online grooming? What are the points on which you agree/disagree with TRA ideology?
No. 1999834
>>1999826Before trans ideology was big. I wasn't groomed as a child afaik, my parents were super against it.
I went on estrogen blockers first then T. I don't believe trooning out is for
anyone, as there are already some stories of men being convinced by gatekeeping doctors they should not troon because they are AGP;plus their physical appearance and psyche (psyche is a big factor actually. they have to be mutationally delusional enough to be flawless troon in my opinion idk if its the right word kek) gave them no chance of passing.
The one video on tiktok with "top surgery is for everyone" pissed me off, as it's not even about trans ideology amymore. It negates my lived experience in a way (kek), with me jealously guarding myself from being mogged and outdone by my sister and female cousins. It makes me feel like my life is on cheating conmode.
No. 1999850
>>1999843>you avoided them being compared to you as prettier or more feminine?Good point. Before I trooned out I might not care about these, and it's that there is a layer of misogyny as although I haven't been in direct contact with trans people, my dad is surrounded by TiMs (read:the average r/asktransgender mtf based on how he describes them) every now and then due to business trips in USA. He explains how I'm not like them at all therefore I'll regret my decision. It's heavily linked to why I don't want to be feminine or else it's "proof I have no reason to go troon".
I actually would want my female relatives to be more feminine than me, it's like a feeling I don't doubt myself.
No. 1999871
What happened to telling attention seeking trannies to fuck off, nonas? There's nothing to be discussed here that hasn't been covered ad nauseam elsewhere on the site. TIFchan, if you're reading this what you're doing is known as "avatarfagging", posting in a way that identifies yourself. I'm not gonna report you for it 'cause you're new here, but it's against the rules. If you wanna integrate and post anonymously, then fair enough, but save the AMAs for reddit. I don't like having trannies here personally. As a butch lesbian who's came close to trooning out in moments of weakness, quite frankly I view your kind as crabs in a bucket that should be kept far away from GNC women. But I can't hate you completely because, reluctantly, I do get it. I wish you well, I hope you knock it off with the justifications and come to accept yourself as a woman.
No. 1999884
>>1999877Thanks. Also, I go to a completely different uni and was going to report it to his uni through the anonymous complaint form, but IDK if people even look at those forms.
I’ve never submitted anything to the news. Would you send it to an outlet or a specific reporter or what? Would I have more luck choosing a reporter who has written about trans pervert teachers before?
No. 1999886
>>1999871I initially responded to her AMA because I thought she was a detrans woman but I wanted to gently question her because it seems like she is close to peaking on a lot of TRA ideology and seems to come from a very conservative culture. But then I just became very confused.
>>1999874My first thought was to report it too but the university won't do anything. I agree with your idea and the other anon that you should report it to some news outlet, preferably not a very leftist one but one that has reported on trans/feminist issues before. There are some outlets like Reduxx that are not right-wing but also don't get much attention, so you could try both one of those and some more mainstream local right-wing ones. But report it anonymously using protonmail or something.
No. 1999894
>>1999884I honestly have no idea how to choose an outlet. I would just look for publications and reporters that have done similar articles about pervert troons in the past. I agree with
>>1999886 not to send it to a leftist one, that'll be like pissing in the wind. Maybe try asking over on /2X/ if anyone has recommendations on where to report it? They usually have good sources for anything that's came up in the news recently, so you might get pointed in the right direction by them.
No. 1999902
>>1999871Nona, don't. Stay away from the crabs in a bucket. We feel for you.
Trooning out in moments of weakness is what the TRAs and TiPs take advantage of.
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A perfect gendie winner for the most political event I see, not surprised.
I hate how genderism is so superficial, fuck europe (rightfully so) for not kicking out israel but kicking out russia but suddenly europe good for lettng a gendie win, their morals are so shallow and performative it disgusts me. I'm far for screaming "#FreePalestine" because I do not fucking care what those two shitholes do, and yes, killing children is bad and that's basic common sense, but I still get amazed that their morals get thrown under the bus when it's time to feed their ideology, it stands higher than everything. It stands higher over life, family, health, values. Sick.
No. 2000113
>>2000105Italian
nonny here, we don't have the third neutral gender in our language and all our pronouns are gendered even in plurals so there are basically no vowels left, the press is using male pronouns because despite the gendies trying to push the butchering of our language (with shit like Lui (him), Lei (her), L*i (??? the fuck is this how do you pronounce this), they are forced to use professional speaking and ofc gendie lingo is not professional. The only way around could be using the plural (which is also gendered) but that won't reflect the reality because he isn't two people so kek. The jobless gendies are still asleep but I can't wait to see some seething and coping here and there.
Just imagine, for your own fetish or nlopism, fucking up an entire language and yet it doesn't work so why bother
No. 2000366
>>2000274My old workplace was full of edgelord scrotes who were openly racist, misogynistic, antisemitic, ableist etc. but would defend (male) troons to the death. Holocaust, lynching and rape jokes were all in good fun but calling a man in striped socks a man? That’s not on! You’ll hurt his feelings!! Male TRAs are just MRAs in rainbow t-shirts.
>They think calling a man a man is a punishment or only something certain troons deserveI disagree. I think they think that calling a man a woman is a punishment for being insufficiently manly, and that calling someone like Keffals or Blaire men devalues manhood. They still value them over actual women because they recognise that they’re males, but they don’t want to have to share a category with them either.
No. 2000677
>>2000663I have to theory but I'm afraid to pass as some kind of schizo that flamboyant faggots have a biological component. I always thought that they were the result of first world more inclusive societies but every culture has its faggots so I guess that the male fetus, being a failed female embryo, has some kind of mutation in faggots but I don't see butches acting like men (unless they're ultra one-of-the-boys pickmes). They way faggots act it's very stereotypical and also their voices are higher so unless all of them commonly agreed to sound higher, it's a natural trait that they have. Higher/softer voice, weird mannerism and promiscuity. All of men with weird high voices are faggots or some kind of homo leaning bisexuals while women that are more "masculine" are not butches.
Sage for derailing but ofc in faggots I include hsts so I can see why they try to pull the biology bullshit and while it's not totally wrong, it doesn't make them women because women don't act like faggots. Not one of them. Even the most vain bimbo I know doesn't act as obnoxiously as a faggot so they're the own "gender" if we're talking in that way but that puts them in their own category of failed men or men trapped in men's body, not an egg or a woman at all.
No. 2000694
>>2000097>on the largest european tv show>still wearing a polyster skater skirt that looks like it's straight from amazonmoid behavior
i don't understand why the jury was bending over backwards to applaud this superrrr speshullll gendie when we've had a participant like Conchita Wurst who is arguably much more gender non-conforming and doesn't delude others into calling him a woman or ~nonbinary~
No. 2000718
>>2000694it's not moid behaviour, nona, it's cosplay.
troons wear cosplay, they don't wear "clothes." if you carefully look at the majority of them they have the same amazon skirt and socks, same aliexpress chokers and so on, like cosplayers who buy their costumes on those chinese sites. They don't shop for clothes, they look at the typical troon attire and wear that. No woman dresses like them.
No. 2000871
Went to the park with a new coworker and met with some people, a group of about 6 others that she kind of knew. We were sitting there eating and someone said we should go around in a circle and introduce ourselves. First to go was a moid who said "My name is Mark, he/him." Second one, my coworker, "My name is Sarah, she/her." I was next. Said my name, but the pronouns felt so unnatural that there was this extremely uncomfortable, way too long pause. Finally I just said, "My pronouns are she and her, I guess, because of being a woman and all that, if we're really doing the pronoun thing right now …"
I really wanted to leave and probably should have? Everyone was late 20s - early 30s btw. I just couldn't believe regular people would ever opt to do that outside of a classroom or a supervised corporate team-building activity.
No. 2001048
>>2000995Moids have
one less opportunity to be immune to X-linked disorders like colorblindness, they kinda need other factors such as chimerism or retinal transplant (kek, but the sympathy is on those with vision loss and need this surgery).
No. 2001595
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Kek
No. 2001598
>>2000103Feminism and gay rights are never going to be promoted by Islam period regardless how wealthy and peaceful the country is, and I think it's embarrassing in general for genderists to try to associate with conservative patriarchal religions. The troons visiting the Vatican recently was almost equally cringe although the Pope does seem to be caving to gender ideology, I don't think most actual 'traditional' or devoted Catholics ever will.
>>2000105It's always been really amusing to think about how pronouns and gender language would translate to my native language because almost everything you say, including in the first person or second person, is gendered, and there's also a third neutral gender that's mostly for inanimate objects. So if people wanted to use the pre-existing third gender pronouns they would basically be referring to themselves/others as inanimate objects (There isn't a first/second person version of the neuter version of language though) and if they are trans they would have to change the way they talk about themselves or ask people to refer to them directly as the wrong sex, which would probably expose all those types of troons who post on reddit saying they secretly misgender themselves in their heads all the time. After spending your whole life using male language for yourself it would probably be really tough to make the switch. You'd also sound like a child because a lot of small children in my native language will get it mixed up and accidentally refer to themselves or others as the wrong gender when using verbs for example (e.g. in my language there are two different versions of 'I went' or 'you ate' for male and female speakers).
No. 2001627
>>2000677I'm not sure where I stand on the nature/nurture component of homosexuality and there's no really strong or conclusive evidence for either but it is not unlikely at all that gay men in many cultures just 'agreed' to sound higher. A lot of the time both troons and regular gay men who talk in that high pitched effeminate way will drop their voice down to a normal threatening low male voice when, for example, they get really angry or are threatening a woman. Just because they didn't all sign a contract to behave this way doesn't mean they don't subconsciously or consciously do it on purpose as a social cue or form of social conformity with other effeminate men. Same with stuff people sometimes cite as signs of 'natural' femininity in men like doing more hand-talking and body language things - I think it is a choice, but a choice that is mostly made because they are (badly) aping common traits in women. They never actually look or sound like actual women when doing these things, so I think it is their version of signaling to each other that they are 'feminine.' Women can't drop their voices that low unless they have naturally low voices but every man can go into a falsetto so they do it when they're trying to ape women. Not sure if it is conscious or not in all of them but it doesn't have to be biological or due to any kind of epigenetics. None of this proves that the 'biology bullshit' isn't wrong.
>>2000871Don't let yourself get pressured into doing the pronoun shit nonna, especially if no one was explicitly asking you to. There might have been other women (or men) there who felt pressured like you did but because of you caving they might have felt more pressured/alone there too. There is always a cost both to yourself and others of going along with TRA bullshit.
>>2001230The troon who dropped into the thread said she found it on google but it seems like lolcow got posted or mentioned a few times on tiktok and elsewhere recently.
No. 2001630
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>>2000274They keep calling picrel a real woman when those huge joosie male clavicles are extremely clockable. They don’t know what a real woman is because almost none of them have normal relationships with a woman to begin with
No. 2001690
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>>1998449man, i love this show but hate when they talk about trans shit. michael and aubrey are unfortunately tranny dicksuckers and the most annoying thing besides looking at data we really can't make any conclusions about yet, the way they talk about detrans people always feels shitty. it's very "yes detransitioners exist BUT they are such a minority they basically don't count". trans people are already a fucking minority too, do they not count????? i wish they'd stick solely to health and wellness because this is not their wheelhouse. if you want a left-leaning podcast that's also gender critical try picrel.
No. 2001739
>>1998511Plenty of brilliant people get roped into cults, and gender ideology is the greatest cult of our time.
It's the same as religion, but I won't go into that here. Basically there are 100 reasons why someone might be convinced to join a cult, and once they're in, it's VERY hard to convince them the cult is wrong. Especially when every online forum, and method of communicating with them, is moderated by the same cultists that you're warning them against.
No. 2001762
Some other decent GC podcasts are Wandering Womb and Women Talking About Their Lives (recently did a good interview with The Buttress and has a good interview with some detransitioners). Maybe Stone Butch Disco if you're starved for lesbian specific content (host comes across as mildly queer and extremely academia poisoned, but occasionally has GC guests. I think she's interesting to listen to because she talks in a way that won't automatically scare off TIFs/libfems the way openly GC content does.).
>>2001690Is Blocked and Reported fully gender critical now? I listened to them a bit when they first started but I found they kind of handled trans stuff with kid's gloves and tried to seem more elevated than the big meanie TERFs. I think I remember ragequitting because in one episode Herzog was like "weh MTFs shitting up the lesbian community aren't even a problem so who cares.". It's been so long since I listened though that maybe I'm mixing them up with another podcast. Sorry Katie Herzog if I'm accidentally accusing you of being pro-AGP.
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No. 2002261
>>2002074said this in other thread but copying it to here:
Swede here and that's not accurate. If you ask someone "do you support LGBT rights?" they'd very likely say yes, but if you asked something basic woke as "do you think non-binary is real?" they don't agree unless they're a basement dweller woke terminally online autist, and most people likely still haven't even heard of it. My mom still legit thinks troons are just drag queens and calls them he/him without anyone batting an eye, and she thinks they're glam and fun to watch on tv so she "supports" them. I've still not seen a single local troon who uses our gender neutral pronoun in Sweden. In fact gendies here exclusively go by they/she/he online in English speaking social media, never in Swedish, and I go to fucking anime weeb conventions so I've seen a ton of them kek
And adding here that I fully think it has the same flaw as in English, where people think "transwomen" means "women who identify as trans men"
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The leftists are so conservative, they literally cannot fathom clothes=/=sex. Literally dresses are for girls, pants are for boys. Oh so progressive. Horse shoe theory is real.
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Saw this in a manga I read once. Made me kek when I thought that some tif or tim might genuinely get triggered over this.
No. 2002860
>>2002074Don't TIMs have
more rights than the average woman? They get state funded butchery while women in a lot of places can't get abortions or even C sections. Also what a awful fucking question, what if someone were to think transwomen aren't women but believe that everyone should have equal rights or vice versa?
No. 2002890
>>2002835They’re so braindead they don’t even get their own ideology or why people are dumbfounded by the current iteration of their movement.
“How can you be against it when you dress up as a woman??” Isn’t a contradiction if anything given their ideology it’s the most rational response
No. 2002903
>>2002893A former dev who worked on the game has all but come out saying it's a purposeful exclusion by ConcernedApe. He claimed it would be an easy addition, even though other devs and modders have claimed otherwise. He has also made a few other politically-charged comments about ConcernedApe.
CA is also supposedly a 4chan native, so I think there's a decent possibility he won't address it. There is already a widely-available mod that turns the game gender neutral, so I'm not sure why people absolutely insist upon it being a part of the vanilla game.
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>>2002918Yes! His handle on Twitter is @MrPodunkian. Go to his replies and scroll back to the end of March. This is when he mostly started to air all his dirty laundry, including some inconclusive screenshots, accusations that ConcernedApe attempted to "troll" him from a burner account, and a few accusations relating to CA's politics. Worth mentioning - he's currently working on a game that many are criticizing as being a Stardew Valley clone. The game is slated to be released soon, so it's hard not to feel like this is him attempting to shill his game. I've included a screencap of him more recently discussing the "pronouns" situation. He made a comment replying to someone as recently as yesterday claiming the linguistic localization are not the reason CA refuses to include gender neutral options.
>>2002925He definitely was a dev, but the amount of work he put into the game is up for debate. He's credited as Arthur Lee or Mr. Podunkian depending on the version of the game (which apparently was a source of anger for him and his justification for wanting to go public with his distaste for CA, as his "Mr. Podunkian" nickname was excluded in the 1.6 credits update and Arthur Lee was used instead.)
No. 2003022
>>2003000It's a huge bummer and I feel so horribly for the creator. Every time he tweets about a game he put his whole heart and soul into he gets lambasted with a ton of "uuh are you going to comment on the fact you are causing TRANS PEOPLE BEING HARASSED!?" comments. Searching "ConcernedApe pronouns" on twitter also returns a ton of really aggressive, demanding tweets.
>>2003007This is how I feel too. Not to mention - I've played plenty of games where I play as a man, and I've never once felt like I NEED to play as my gender. So why do these people HAVE to play as a non-binary person? It just puts such a bad taste in my mouth how much some people feel everything should be tailored to comfort their specific sensibilities.
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>>2002965I've included an additional screenshot of the disgruntled former dev making some unsubstantiated claims about the various politics of ConcernedApe and his (CA's) girlfriend. In another tweet, he also claimed CA was "sympathetic" towards Scott Cawthon (creator of FNAF) when information about his political leanings was publicly exposed.
>>2003049Not even just that - the game allows you to change your name and gender at-will once your raise your friendship to a certain level with the Wizard for 500 in-game gold (which is an incredibly small amount once you've put any amount of time into the game). If you truly feel so ~fluid,~ simply change your gender! But that's a lot less fun than blaming all your problems on some guy who made a game.
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I also love when they do this, because I find it fucking hilarious. It's so damn unsubtle. Imagine being so unconvincing even when your whole life is a performance.
No. 2003302
>>2002861Kek I want a cis rocks shirt just to see their reaction. Like why would celebrating your
own identity, that the tranny folk themselves forced upon us, be bullying the trans? They said we're "cis", so why couldn't we embrace it then.
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>>2003308It's from an "ftm hypno" blog so yes.
As for these lame "forcemasc" images, you can just tell they're trying to replicate the skin-crawling nature of sissy shit but it's in this retarded wattpad writing style. It's trying to scare the terbs or whatever but it just makes me roll my eyes.
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i hate how all gendie activists act like they’ve gone to literal war over TWanZ rIgHTS like the same bitches that can’t order what they want at wing stop and have a breakdown over pronouns think they’re “on the frontlines” like how delusional can you be to think you’re “freedom fighters” and life is SO HARD for the non bineys!!!! and WHY for the love of christ do these freaks always cape so hard for islam?? literal clown world. i hate all of them but this bitch is particularly narcissistic and cringe and legit makes me want to alog. annoyingly i actually liked her song but she as a person and her ugly loser moid are unbelievably objectionable
No. 2003764
>>1998449I've noticed this with people in general, they might seem nice and smart at first about several topics but you get to the troon topic and it's like their brain just shuts off entirely. even when I didn't know as much about trannies as I do now (before I peaked etc) I still didn't make my brain turn off at the mere mention of it so it's always bizarre to me. It feels similar to how you can meet smart people but they also believe in religion / go full retard the second it's questioned
>>2000105They're actively trying to make up new words so it can fit gendie ideology and it always just sounds retarded. I hate how Europe gets shit from the US late so it's like, where I live this shit is starting to pick up now whereas in the US I see more people peaking online. It makes me feel like I'm living in two different timelines
>>2002866Never heard of this but it sounds like a nightmare to be a popular gamedev and have these retards bother you with their bullshit and actively try to pressure you to make your own game worse
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>>2003801nta but you said it nicely. That's how i always knew right away these "intelligent" people were actually retards - virtue signalling at any opportunity they can get while at the same time being terrible in their real lives. Nobody normal and good hearted needs to virtue signall. Actually smart person knows some social points don't matter.
For example my cousin's pedo boyfriend and eventually my cousin as well. On any topic he must lecture you how you're evil and he is correct, how you're manipulated by nazis or something, how we all should be nice to eachother, polite and respect everyone.. he doesn't forget to mention he studies on several universities and does a very complicated bigbrain job… while he's manipulating little girls to troon themselves because "i love you but i can't imagine myself spending the rest of my life with a girl" or grooming 14 yearold boys into a fat fetish and funny things like that. God i hate TRAs.. Motherfucker even corrected people to use the pronouns of the famous troon Stephonknee because "we mut respect her gender".
No. 2004008
>>2003985I can't believe he people who want little girls to troon out if they like sports and not makeup or that PCOS makes women intersex because they're ugly want to impose the idea it's actually terfs who have narrow views of women kek. In fact it's usually evil terfs reminding women they're still
valid as women regardless of hobbies, features, etc.
No. 2004304
>>2002965kek this game literally lets you:
1) marry any of the romance options regardless of gender (iirc there's even some dialogue specific to same-sex relationships, for example (spoilers)
alex's grandpa is kind of homophobic and several romance options nervously admit they didn't expect to be attracted to someone of the same sex so homosexuality isn't just an option, it's also acknowledged;
2) befriend a wizard in the woods and magically change your sex for pocket change without anyone noticing.
how the fuck do they find things to be mad about in a cozy farming simulator? there's already a mod for pronouns, just install it and fuck off (unless they're playing on ios or switch which is just… why)
if CA really doesn't add gendie shit to the game on purpose that's very based of him
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Something I've noticed is that in my class there's one aiden that gets along nicely with everyone, but sometimes I see her friends say stuff like "he's the man!", "you're a very strong man", "he really is victorious!" (cuz her troon name is Victor so they do a pun like that). I didn't think much of it at first but now I think this is just them trying to convince themselves that this girl with short hair is actually a man. She doesn't seem to mind the comments, she chuckles about them. They just feel so forced to me.
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The amount of TIMs who used to be in the military is kinda terrifying. They probably raped children and women overseas before trooning out.
No. 2005218
>>2004881>>2005119rape is a massive issue among military moids. they are incapable of restraining their disgusting violent urges so when there are no women around they prey on weaker men just like they do in prison environments. officials either cover it up or the
victims don't report it all because they are ashamed or fear retaliation. i've also heard horror stories of men bringing civilian women and girls onto bases and setting them up to be raped. many mothers who have served in the military would never encourage their daughters to join because they know exactly how she would be treated.
No. 2006315
i really hope this is the right thread for this because i need help. my brother is a mentally ill retard who fell into tra shit so hard that he decided he was mtf and came out to our family over the fucking phone.
no one but my sister (who has stopped speaking to me entirely) is okay with any of this shit.
a little less than a year ago, he came by my house to visit, and i found out that he was spending his rent money on hrt from folx or whatever. he had been asking my mom to supplement rent. he’s morbidly obese, mentally ill, delusional, has a tbi, and is at an increased risk of dvt due to a hereditary vein malformation. they still prescribed him estrogen and finasteride after a single online visit, because that’s apparently legal and ethical.
upon finding his shit, i told my mom, who sat him down and explained that this was a complete and utter violation of her trust. my mom has cried every single fucking day since he decided to “come out” as a goddamn transbian of all things. she told him he was not allowed to buy hrt anymore, and needed to take his psychiatric meds and get into therapy instead. he refuses. he can’t go back to the psychiatrist my family has been with for 10 years because she refuses to take patients on cross-sex hormone therapy due to lack of research on how it can interact with psychiatric meds.
i found his reddit today, and a few months ago, he was celebrating 1.5 years on hrt. he has not stopped. he’s still asking my mom for rent money; bleeding us dry. he’s on academic probation and is not allowed to attend his uni right now. he can’t come home to live with my mom and me so that we can monitor him due to a recent lease he signed. that might be a good thing considering some things i’ve personally tried to bury in the recesses of my mind, like catching him staring at my breasts while i tired to talk to him at the breakfast table; knowing that he stole my mom’s bra when he was a teenager.
i hate this shit so fucking much. i’ve tried to hold on hope. i peaked very recently and i don’t know what i believe anymore. i’m hesitant to call my little brother a pervert. i don’t think he’s bad at heart, but i think he’s a man with some sort of agp that has no respect for the only women in his life who care about his health. my father lost his first son, and he told my mom that he can’t lose my brother because he’s the only son he has left. apparently it’s best to harm your entire fucking family so you can “live your truth” or whatever the fuck. he was such a normal child. i don’t understand what the fuck happened. i don’t know how to tell my mom that i looked him up on reddit of all places and found out he’s still on cross-sex hrt instead of his fucking antipsychotics. i can’t keep watching her cry. why is that shit so fucking easy to access? what the hell do i do, and how do i continue to live my life? how the fuck did my brother become a raging misogynist? there are very few people i can talk to about this. i’m so lost.
tdlr: my little brother is a mentally ill agp who is lying to my family about taking hrt and taking money from my mother in the process, because apparently it’s better to indulge yourself in a delusion than to actually get help for your psychiatric issues, and god forbid anyone speak out against it. fucking kill me.
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While I think most trans supporters are just well-meaning liberals, I believe the overly enthusiastic "anti-TERFs" are undoubtedly sex pests and perverts
No. 2006333
>>2006315I’m so sorry your family is going through this. He’s a selfish narcissist who gets off on causing the women around him pain. Please convince your mom to cut him off financially, at least, if not all together. He doesn’t deserve any of her support. Does she know much about these men? Would showing her some peaking material help get her angry so that she cuts him off? I’d definitely show her the Reddit account, too. Wishing you all the best,
nonnie, and keeping you and your mom in my thoughts.
No. 2006337
>>2006316I know one gay man who's a
terf hater, he cannot just stfu and always has to pitch in when trannies are talked about like he's got a notification for the word "trans" or something…. like anybody cares about his opinion and I can confirm that he's a pedo who orders childsized fuckdolls from abroad.
They defend trannies so much because they know very well that trannies are also in most cases pedo or zoofiles too, it's like they can sence the dark vibe and want to protect member of their dark species.
No. 2006349
>>2006315jesus fucking christ
nonnie, i am so sorry your brother is putting you through all of this shit. i agree with
>>2006333, if he wants to fuck himself up, let him do it with his own money. he may be severely mentally ill, but that isn't an excuse for misogyny or the perverted shit he did to you and your mom. these types of men (overweight, brain damaged, mentally ill) are at a higher risk for trooning out, likely due to not fitting in with other men and wanting a community (that doesn't include women as anything but sex objects because, of course, women are subhuman). on one hand, it's easy to feel pity for him due to his mental state, but on the other there is likely not much you could have done to help him or much you can do now except distance yourself from him so he doesn't drag you down into despair. ceasing contact with a family member is fucking hard and painful, but staying in contact with them while they ruin themselves and you as well is even worse.
put yourself and your mother first
nonnie, you deserve it.
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>>2006316This post on Ovarit nailed it i think. It's funny because it applies to both gay moids and weak tranny chasers
No. 2006899
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massive kek at calling serano a biologist
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>>2006899samefag, the same specimen i found this post from also reblogged a post making fun of a woman who's paranoid about her safety while home alone, picrel are some of the comments
https://www.tumblr.com/plushiedoggy/750737537679638528 No. 2007047
>>2006385i think you're right. the most loudest
terf hater i knew was a pornsick misogynist who suddenly became loud twitter-leftist TRA overnight in 2015
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Oh my god. This happened a month or so ago but in case this wasn't already talked about, get this: Dead by Daylight created a new killer called The Unknown, which seems to be a shape-shifting creature that mimics human voices and appearances to lure in victims. Now, this character was played by a tranny, specifically a TIM. But Dead by Daylight released a skin where the Unknown is dressed up like a woman, and is basically like a monster in a skirt. Twitter saw this, formed the connection, and went on a rampage that it's transphobic because of the supposed allegory that the Unknown is a caricature of "transwomen". The tranny voice actor saw this drama, and wrote a crybaby article about how offended he was at the Dead by Daylight staff. You wanna know what's ironic about this? I wouldn't have even connected the dots of the Unknown being a huge joke on trannies had it not been for TRAs loudly making that connection in the first place. Next is the tranny voice actor seeing the parallels so well that he took offense. Then there's the irony of this unintentionally "transphobic" move on Dead by Daylight's part despite shoehorning that ugly ass LGBTQ+ flag all over their trial maps. The fact that the Unknown can be seen as an allegory for trannies only makes it even more repulsive, and would give me another reason to sprint at break neck speed in the game. And finally. Finally. The tranny voice actor? Zoey Alexandria? Yeah, he fucking DIED. Not even a month ago. HOLY SHIT.
No. 2007460
>>2006333>>2006345>>2006349thank you, nonnies. i truly appreciate the advice and the concern. i’ll try to gather the strength to tell my mom as soon as a i can. i’m thinking about doing it in the morning. she needs to know.
he was on r/mtf posting about how he was seeing changes on hrt after only 4 days of use or something if you want to know just how delusional he is. he doesn’t take care of himself at all, and it’s terrible to watch. he was a premie and an extremely sickly child. watching my mom essentially lose him to his delusions after he survived so much as a child is terrifying. she’s scared he’s going to kill himself.
i don’t think i can bring myself to cut him off entirely. not yet at least. that being said, he is definitely willing to cut me off. he removed me from all of his social media because he knew i was telling our mom about his bullshit. he’s blocked my phone number and called me a bitch and whore in a fucking cluster b rage before. he’s horrifically unstable and he’s just been allowed to poison his body because that’s apparently the best thing we can do for mentally ill men that want to be lesbians.
i may update after i tell my mom. thank you guys for caring about her. she truly is a wonderful mother. and, yes, she’s painfully aware of agps now thanks to him.
No. 2007479
>>2007474i just told my mom. she got home late and i realized i should just rip the bandage off. she called him. she’s on the phone with him now trying to figure out what the fuck he’s thinking and doing.
resources would be greatly appreciated. i think his biggest issue is his mental illness rather than porn addiction, but i think porn fed into the illness. he’s trying so hard to convince her he’s stable and feels great about himself. she doesn’t believe him, obviously. i guess we’ll see what happens. it’s all so much.
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Oh wow youre so counter culture. You’re so rebellious
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No. 2007819
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>>2006899Serano's argument against gametes being binary is that different species have different gametes from humans. This is such a ridiculous point to bring up when talking about human biology specifically. What's next, some animals have wings so human-to-bird transspecies is
valid?
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lol
No. 2007951
>>2007609based
>>2006712same. this moid i know is trooning out and keeps sperging out everyday about how he's getting "girl drugs" and is "gonna dress like a huge slut" and i just hope he gets sick and dies at this point from injecting this shit into himself. i used to have sympathy and feel bad for him since he's autistic but i can't take it anymore
No. 2007965
>>2004390kek this is so true. I'm so sick of interacting with people who label themselves as nice and act like they're sooo much kinder than me simply because they say anything and everyone is
valid including troon shit and never criticize anything. they'll call me a bad person simply because I don't do the same and have committed thought crimes or whatever in their eyes. they'll ghost people, act like massive pieces of shit, throw a tantrum if you have any differing views from theirs, be emotionally unintelligent and unavailable, and somehow think they're still a nicer person than me just because they validate mentally ill people's delusions. i wish i knew actually nice people instead of these larpers
No. 2007970
>>2007930>when you get out of bed in the morning the most important thing you have to do all day is tell the world what your gender isi legit wish my life was this easy
>office supervisor (..) police (…) are all human constructsisn't everything a human construct?
>deep down your real job is to reproduceah, so that's why trannies advertise themselves as the opposite gender, in order to attract people with the same genitals as them, which we all know it's the way mammals reproduce
also, kinda homophobic
No. 2008016
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>>2007929>>2007930Decided to look it up to check if people were dunking on it in the comments. This article was initially posted in 2016, and the single comment there is a based woman who commented on 2022.
Fuck me, 2016 and trannies were spouting the exact same retardation as now.
No. 2008684
>>2008675>trans Healthcare saving livesI can dismantle the entire tranny myth that gender reassignment surgery stops suicide attempts with one single detail:
it doesn't. IIRC, suicides and attempts actually increase AFTER 'gender reassignment' surgeries. This argues that trannies are NOT, in fact, happy after they get what they want. So when they swear that 'trans healthcare' is productive and will "save lives"
they are lying.
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This is gonna get me banned for “attempted infighting across boards” yeah lol ok but god this copium is so pathetic. Men. Do. Not. Care. About. Women. They see lesbians as a porn category and not as actual humans beyond a sexualized pov. It’s autogynephilia simple as, straight men are able to turn into AGPs, the very thought of pretending to embody the traits of women is what turns them on. Trannies are just mentally ill sex pests and straight men certainly do not give a fuck about suffering women all around the world, they are more concerned about what gets them off.
No. 2008713
>>2008684They will rebuttal that the suicides are caused by transphobia even though society at large were always neutral towards trans people. The issue is that no matter what we do for troons as a society, it will never be enough. They don't seek to be treated as normal human beings, they seek to be worshipped as gods. The sooner we as a global society can criminalize troonery, the quicker we can go back to ignoring them.
>>2008706The perceived purity of lesbian relationships is literally part of the fetish many agps have for lesbians. That anon is engaging in serious wishful thinking. The same troon talking about lesbians being so pure will also have a scat fetish on the side.
No. 2008720
>>2008706I don't see why your post would be considered infighting. In fact, I absolutely agree with you. When I saw that post, I thought that nona was viewing them from too much of a sympathetic lens and attributing too much empathy in troons. When, on the contrary, troons tend to end up
lacking empathy. For example, many of them readily admit and say "I don't care about making women uncomfortable, I'm going to use the bathroom, you stupid
TERF cunts." They're absolutely narcissists, and there's already a high comorbidity with NPD or other personality disorders. That aside, as you mentioned, men don't care about women's issues or the violence they as a group impose on women. Those men view lesbians as a porn category, and they've gone so deep in their porn addiction that they want to become a woman and be a "lesbian." That's the short and simple answer. There's no need to embellish it with men having a guilt complex and seeing the reality of violence against women. If that was the case, those very men would take the time to make the world a better place for women by standing up for them or offering them help. Instead, those men troon out and impose their will on women and harass them into compliance. It all perpetuates the same old patriarchal cycle. It's all so tiresome, isn't it?
No. 2008727
>>2008716Troons are the ultimate “not like other men” men. Societies expectation of men, and womens expectations of men especially, are of a stupid violent exploitative rape ape and so troons seek to not be like other men by presenting themselves as harmless laydees who just want to be bffs and soft uwu princesses instead of the rapists we suspect them to be (and that they often are). Whether societies expectations of the sexes are
valid or not isn’t really the point but nlogs and nloms seem to suffer the same delusion that if they could just prove societies expectations wrong they’ll be treated like they’re worthy (obviously that means something different for each sex).
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>>2008684The only data that suggests people are ‘happier’ (not the same as being less suicidal) after taking steps to transition comes from people who are polled immediately after first taking those steps, so people who’ve just started hormones or just had surgery. What we’re seeing is the result of pain medication, the short-term antidepressant effect of testosterone, one hell of a placebo effect and the high that addicts experience when chasing the dragon. There’s a reason gender clinics don’t follow up on their patients or collect long term data because that would clearly show this is all very short term and that their mental wellbeing only goes downhill afterwards when the high wears off and the consequences of their self-inflicted health issues become more apparent. It’s easy to ascribe any subsequent suicides to ‘transphobia’ if you purposefully neglect to follow their mental health trajectory after chopping them up. Transgenderism is medical malpractice on every possible level. I suspect we’ll be seeing more instances like that surgeon’s online review that was essentially an accusatory suicide note from an ex-TIM.
>>2008713>They don't seek to be treated as normal human beings, they seek to be worshipped as gods.Pic related. They’re literally a self-appointed priest class.
No. 2009361
>>2008706Her observations on yurifags are correct but it's just part of the disgust they have for their male features, which is itself related to AGP and whatever collection of fetishes they have. Funnily enough some male detransers and 4chan dwellers will attempt to blame feminism for making them this way, it's a deflection from why they really loathe their masculinity (because it gets in the way of their fetish).
TiMs might get really into feminist theory and go on and on about being 'sex traitors' but it's still in service to their 'one of the girls' feelings, and they never lose sight of their male interests in the process.
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I hate how we went backwards in terms of progress, the T is the cancer of the community.
No. 2010414
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It makes me so freaking mad that every time I go to look up a female health issue, all the "legitimate" medical sites (Medical News Today, Cleveland Clinic, etc.) say "people with cervixes" and similar BS. Why should I trust anything these people say about medicine when they don't even know what a woman is? People say to stop being obsessed with the gender issue, but it's impossible to do that when it gets shoved in your face just for reading stuff about female health.
No. 2010630
>>2009627Statement such as "being trans is not a medical condition" "but medical treatemends are demanded ASAP"
"Born in the wrong body" "The true authentic-self" -> I'm born in the wrong body i was supposed to be rich and skinny.
No. 2010663
>>2010436Same, and only for other women. Especially tifs, actually, not because they are actually masculine but because hey, since I'm not pretending to a man, I must have some innate feminine essence they've ascended.
That's how I thought when I was a young gendie at least.
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>>2011384Nope, completely flip flopped again and went back to saying he's a woman according to wikipedia. he wrote about it on a now deleted wordpress blog.
https://web.archive.org/web/20221229055132/https://elisashupe.wordpress.com/2022/03/03/elisa-shupe-setting-the-record-straight-about-james-shupe/ not sure what he's up to now, maybe he flip flopped again.
No. 2011736
>>2011699Oh, that's unfortunate. Thanks for the update.
>I continued to suffer from debilitating gender dysphoriaHope he gets therapy for his dysphoria and realizes it does not make him a woman.
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>>2011739Agreed. After reading about the abuse and PTSD he endured I feel really bad for him.
Unfortunately, it looks like he's a ChatGPT activist now too:
https://www.techpolicy.press/dont-let-the-copyright-fight-take-away-my-ability-to-create/ No. 2011997
>>2010660What would the moid way be? When it happens I do get this retarded urge to act more masculinely around the person causing me to feel this way, and in my understanding that's what retarded moids may do as well.
>>2010663When it comes to TIFs I feel a strange kind of schadenfreude for being able to be masculine and a woman, while TIFs are too weak to do that and thus have trooned out.
No. 2012319
>>2011743"democratizing force in the creative arts"
That's certainly one way to describe plagiarism.
>>2011778The stupid thing is that it's not a vision any more than just reuploading some random shit they found on Google images is.
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I think that this troon shit will not go away on its own, I think it will take at least another 10 years, enough time to study the long term effect of horse piss on humans, like when cigarettes used to be advertised on magazine and now they don't even have colorful packaging but they keep selling it so smoke junkies don't jump off a bridge, I'll believe it will be the same with hormones. Idk, weird feeling.
No. 2012717
>>2012502I'm just wondering what will gradually make it stop. There will still be transpeople after it stops being trendy (to use your cigarette comparison, my parents were around when smoking was advertised to kids and are still smokers). I honestly think it'll be the detransitioners and if the current "transkids" on puberty blockers grow up.
>>2011736>Hope he gets therapy for his dysphoria and realizes it does not make him a woman.His Substack and interviews were taken offline but I explicitly remember him mentioning in a blog post that therapists refused to help him to the point he sought out Christian conversion therapy. He had an interview on Benjamin Boyce where he said even medical professionals wouldn't help him unless he re-identified as trans. I don't have that much sympathy for him because he also detailed how he coerced his wife to pretend to be a man during sex and rope her into his fetishes, but for people like him I have no idea how someone can "get help" when therapists and medical professionals buy into gender identity.
No. 2012895
When I was in college in 2022 my intro to human reproduction class had a mid 30s non-binary woman guest speaker tell us that being non-binary means some days she rather wear pants than a dress. In a room full of women wearing pants. I’m pretty sure none of my classmates were obvious gendies but when we were assigned to come up with a list of class rules the first one everyone agreed on was respecting pronouns. I’m so glad I don’t go there anymore
>>2012502Why is it always about dating and being sexually attractive? Why does that have to be the second line of even this
No. 2013255
>>2013240AYRT and I agree. Most of the lesbians I know have been openly lesbian for years and so if they refuse to date AGP scrotes they are immediately dogpiled and interrogated about their 'genital preferences,' they have men coming into lesbian events and gatherings trying to infiltrate because AGPs are obsessed with the validation they get from thinking they're dating/interacting with real lesbians, etc. As a bi woman I have gotten away with being way more of an open
TERF socially because I can stick to mixed-sex normie dating environments and if some gross AGP hits on me or sexually harasses me he can't start acting like I'm rejecting him because he's male lmao. I'm glad the bi women I've met have been on the TERFy side but I think part of it might actually be because dating both men and women you kind of get used to the differences in male and female dating dynamics and behaviour, some of them used to be more gendie/trans supportive but then couldn't keep up the farce because they knew what it was like to date both men and women. This sounds condescending and I'm sorry but some of the lesbian women I know seem kind of naive about male behaviour if they've spent a lot of time in all-female spaces and will be way less world-weary when some man infiltrates because they're not as used to men trying to hit on them in 'lesbian' spaces. Like one of my best friends over the last decade is a lesbian and she was always making these weird bemused excuses for AGPs who tried to infiltrate lesbian spaces and dating apps because she used to mostly keep all-female social groups and seemed to like really 'want' to think of the men infiltrating those environments as women, idk if I'm explaining coherently.
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>>2013486openly discuss your views and see how they react, also go for older therapists. my therapist is a woman in her 50s and she has trans-identifying clients but doesn't fully get or agree with gender identity crap. she's not full on GC but it's fine with me, she doesn't censor me.
Pic rel and link is for a directory of trans-critical therapists. I can't verify or vouch to how current it is though.
https://beyondtrans.org/therapists/ No. 2013606
>>2013255>This sounds condescending and I'm sorry but some of the lesbian women I know seem kind of naive about male behaviour if they've spent a lot of time in all-female spaces and will be way less world-weary when some man infiltrates because they're not as used to men trying to hit on them in 'lesbian' spaces.AYRT, I disagree and I do think that is condescending because lesbians do deal with men in our daily lives despite not being romantically involved. The only lesbians I know like that are middle-aged, settled down and don't deal with how the dating scene is, and the only MTFs they've known were HSTS gay men and not trying to fuck them. I've grown up sexually harassed by men and despite never dating them I've peaked from seeing how similar MTFs act to (or are) pornsick men I knew as a teenager. Men liking lesbian porn and saying "I'm a lesbian too, I like girls the same way, and now people take it seriously instead of seeing it as a joke. I don't engage in IRL spaces but I tried being in a normie queer space and I swear any actual lesbians are under gag order to not say anything that isn't kissing their asses. I only became mask-off GC 5 years ago but that was because I was called a
TERF for saying that there's nothing wrong with being "same gender and same sex attracted" despite claiming transgender is uwu
valid. Outside of the febfem/TERFy bi women they were ones grilling me about accepting transwomen.
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The absolute delusion.
No. 2013862
>>2013465These people are just legitimately retarded there is no other explanation. Imagine in 2024 thinking that women wearing pants is GNC. Wearing skirts or dresses is much rarer.
>>2013486You're probably SOL nonna unless you know someone personally who can recommend one, in most countries now being a 'gender critical' therapist is illegal and will get your license taken away.
No. 2013867
>>2013487NTAYRT but actual actively bisexual women are different than "bi" women. Obviously fake-bi women and fake-lesbian women are the worst offenders of gendershit but actual bisexuals in my experience usually hate troons and are more open about it than any other demographic.
>>2013500It's possible but in my experience the type of woman you're talking about usually uses the word 'queer' or 'pansexual' not bi. Calling yourself bi is usually a sign that you think there's 2 sexes and don't love gender nonsense at least where I live, most people into TRA rhetoric will identify as 'queer.'
No. 2014078
>>2012502I think it's going to linger but it definitely won't be mainstream. It's currently a trend among kids, like being a vampire witch was a trend among kids in the Livejournal days. Plus, the aesthetic really does appeal to kids. Bright hair, weird haircuts your parents would never let you get, sticker book tattoos, outfits that came straight out of clown Tiktok- it's like a honey trap for 13 year olds.
The hormone thing is probably going to take a lot longer than 10 years to study. Until troons stop being a political hot topic nobody will want to fund actual studies on them in case they come out with results that offend the brave and speshuls. We all know troons are chronic liars who will do anything to play into their own delusions, any studies that require self reporting will be unusable. Moids already think they have a feminine figure after taking DIY horse piss when they just got fat, any results they reported would be Reddit fanfiction about their desirability to lesbians.
No. 2014265
>>2013255>some of the lesbian women I know seem kind of naive about male behaviourI’ve noticed this too, particularly socially awkward lesbians in female-dominated environments (hobbies, work) who aren’t very conventionally attractive and so tend to get ignored by men. They seem to have an idealised fantasy image of males in their heads that’s informed by media like tv shows and books rather than real life. They’re especially sympathetic towards men they deem to be marginalised in some way and will handwave their misogyny as an excusable trauma response. Of all the women I’ve known who’ve defended incels and other male sex pests as “just misunderstood” and tried to shame other women into “giving them a chance”, the majority were lesbians. I think they overempathise with these men and project their own good intentions and issues with marginalisation and sexuality onto them and so take it personally when other women think the men are creepy.
This is especially noticeable with TIMs but not exclusive to them. One friend of mine keeps trying to befriend shitty Muslim moids and being surprised and disappointed when they turn out to be homophobic as well as misogynistic. For some reason she can’t accept that other women avoid these men
because the men are shit and not because the women are all mean shallow Karens unlike her enlightened and accepting self.
>>2013884This too, except not just flirting but sexually inappropriate behaviour in general. Like they’re far more likely to give men the benefit of the doubt and excuse blatant sexual harassment as “awkwardness” because their only insight into male sexuality comes from sanitised works of fiction and they can’t imagine anyone being a scumbag on purpose. And if a man turns the harassment on them they ascribe their revulsion to their lesbianism and assume that straight and bi women would (or should, if they were
kind) be cool with it. I’m curious to see this play out with a TIM, but TIMs tend to leave these women alone in my experience. Lucky them.
Of course not all lesbians are this naive and many (most, probably) are well aware of male depravity but it’s definitely a pattern I’ve noticed with the hardcore TWAW ones in my life. I guess you’d have to be naive and blind to real life social dynamics to spend any time around TIMs and not peak.
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Logical transphobia by one of their own
No. 2014942
>>2012954>>2012961that's so creepy. the closest thing I experienced to troons trying to skinwalk me was them asking me for tips or something and asking me how to be "feminine like me" and even then that was already gross enough. also it's like, I'm not necessarily surprised it's more so just how they all act
exactly like how I see people here talk about them. it really makes their whole argument that like, you're just generalizing, hating or being a bigot or that the theories around agp and whatnot are fake just seem even more like a retarded cope. like if they're really so different and unique and it's not a mental illness, there would be more of a variance in behaviors and not always the same "symptoms"
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just found this venn diagram I had saved that a nona posted in one of the old gc threads and thought it deserves to be reposted
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the most pathetic TRA libfem
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No. 2016112
>>2016057samefag, you literally cannot make this shit up.
he got super drunk, settled down i guess after my friend ‘supported’ him, and i practically ended up babysitting them both. he came inside and lied down after sperging in typical ‘autistic moid drinks alcohol for the first time’ style.
after a while, considering my friend was also fairly drunk, i believe he took advantage of a moment within their drunk ramblings. he said some retarded shit along the lines of ‘to be comfy, i need to like be squished. one on this side, one on the other’ gesturing to either side of where he was lying down. my friend was too drunk to understand what was happening so he just said ‘no, nevermind’ once she asked him to repeat it. it’s pathetic because the only support he gets from her is because she’s a faghag, yet he seems to still be enacting his fetish on a girl who so clearly just views him as a gay dude. honestly, i’m feeling really affirmed rn lol, people always say ‘oh the weird ones are only online, thats a small minority!’ yet one of the first times i go out in a while, i encounter some fucking perverted freak.
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>>2016112>he said some retarded shit along the lines of ‘to be comfy, i need to like be squished. one on this side, one on the other’ gesturing to either side of where he was lying down. my face when reading that
No. 2016166
>>2015467kek that comment section is full of milk
>>2015476no you can't i had my comment auto-deleted several times because it said suicide
>what video is thiscybergirls sillypoo
>>2016028i think you're reaching, nothing in these posts suggests the TIM
asked OP to buy him a bear.
>>2016147retard
No. 2016225
>>2016057>honestly his voice doesn’t even sound like hes on hrt.NTA but I think HRT only changes the voice in TIFs; you can't un-deepen a voice that has already been deepened by testosterone. TIMs can only try to make their voices sound higher with voice training.
(Could someone please confirm whether this is true?)
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i feel like i've noticed a trend in people starting to coddle and excuse HSTS on Ovarit and i find it really frustrating that they don't see that they're just as misogynistic and creepy as AGPs, they just aren't as aggressively autistic and follow social norms better
No. 2017504
>>2017230I've stopped browsing Ovarit because it seems to be filled with middle-aged women who are self-righteous about being nice, and as a zoomer with anger issues I can't relate. I like this site because it doesn't make me feel like the meanest person in the room.
Also,
>Trans legal status should apply exclusively to HSTSs>we shouldn't be allowing biological females to transition at allWhy the double standard? Seems pretty sexist.
No. 2017729
>>2017504>middle-aged womenYeah i think that's it. I find Ovarit to be fine, honestly, but middle-aged (and older) women aren't dealing with the same shit as Gen Z. This is how you get older lesbians thinking the younger ones are rude for not 'letting' the TiMs 'live'. People get mellow with age, they're out of touch with the zeitgeist. Older generations are also more concerned with institutional acceptance, so they tend to make exceptions ('HSTS are fine, they have
real gender dysphoria') to seem reasonable. ROGD for boys is another example of this, they needed to feel 'fair' and find an explanation that softened the (disgusting) reality of AGP in young men/teenagers.
There's still a significant group of older women who get it but they get chastized by others for rudeness, 'homophobia', etc.
>>2017504I wouldn't say it's entierely sexist, she probably thinks chemical castration for HSTS is fair game, but never okay for women (fine, whatever). HSTS-only trans status is hardly feasible though. AGP troons made up the majority of HRT patients, even back in the 70s when it was supposedly 'only gays'. Maybe she hopes that medical institutions will have women's best interests at heart and nicely weed out the perverts, but male fetishists were historically the main target of 'trans care', down to the first attempts at SRS.
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It’s so fucking over. Also the post was satirical compilation of Taylor Swift photos with SCUM quotes put on them and libfems couldn’t handle it. The any kind of misandry = TERFery rhetoric was the most effective psyop.
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>>2018385>implication that we are misogynists Hmm. I wonder.
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Why is there so much backhanded racism like this in the TRA community?
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>>2017230I still look at ovarit very frequently and coddling HSTS to this level is a rather fringe opinion, you can see the commenter say it herself that she thinks her opinion is controversial (picrel is one of the replies to her comments). majority of the women there direct most of their hate at AGPs but also acknowledge that HSTS are also harmful in a different way.
The other nona said it correctly, ovarit userbase on average are older and just less prone to shittalking than your local lolcow anon, and also bound by the site rules of no slurs (sometimes I do see posters mention being zoomers though, but it's not common). I can see why the site wouldn't appeal to imageboard users in general but it's not a tradwife hangout like I've seen some nonas in past threads claim.
No. 2020275
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Gee I wonder why
No. 2020575
>>2020275The thing that always gets me with troons is their coy denial of reality. It's been repeated to death but there's something really strange about their relation to rules and how they relate to the world around them. I get that creepy feeling even from seemingly 'asexual' (low libido) TiFs, like they can't somehow comprehend that being a woman with a short haircut and baggy clothes doesn't fool anyone. 'Gee! Can you imagine! I got she/her'd at the grocery shop!' well we can imagine because we have eyes and are slightly less mentally unwell than you. And they expect you to play along with their perverse little game of denial, constantly testing your beliefs ('oh, you said women only, but you
know i'm a woman… riiight?' , smugly stating they have they/them pronouns or whatever). It's like stepping into a dysfunctional home and pretending everything is alright for the sake of whoever invited you, nervously laughing at whatever you are witnessing. TiFs/TiMs make this dysfunctional mindset their constant reality, enforcing it everywhere, offline, online, to unsuspecting people etc. It's a little different from autistic/furry retards who just seem to completely ignore rules, and a little different from AGPs who have a precise target in mind (themselves) and totally disregard others (though it often overlaps). The 'chaotic queer TiF drag queen' type especially seems to thrive by acknowledging she's
actually a feminine woman beneath the fake provocative denial and subversive identity. This is why so many of them larp as femboys, these otherwise feminine TiFs will go on subreddits for masochist troons and write essays about how they want to be abused and 'found out' as female. They desperately want their lie to be uncovered to make it worthwhile, unlike more autistic TiMs/TiFs who just skip over 'normal' sex (as in, mutual sexual relationships involving genitals) and use each other as fantasy fuel. The most autistic ones invoke pity or revulsion because they're barred from enjoying normal sex to begin with (unless they really try) or are very antisocial. Self-aware kinky redditor spicy straights are, weirdly enough, far more irritating because of all the reasons detailed above. The absolute lack of boundaries is another issue with them, they
love to tell on themselves, talking about their ebic 'gay' hardcore sex, their oh-so-queer hookups etc. If these women weren't troons, they would most likely still be a flavor of mentally ill queeriospecial, dwelling in 'alt' communities like goth or emo, wearing their psychosexual issues like a badge of honor. I have a lot of compassion for the younger ones (obviously) but by the time you're 25 you should have wrapped up the embarrassing adolescent angsty navel gazing shit
No. 2020707
Does anyone else remember the exact thing that peaked you? It was like 4+ years ago when the MTF threads first appeared and r/itsafetish was still kicking. I used to be a massive handmaiden before finding lc but seeing reddit screenshots of MTFs talking about stealing underwear from their mothers and sisters and other trannies validating it as relatable and harmless made me feel so disgusted that it made me transphobic in like a week, and that no, these ugly balding men do not have repressed womanly souls.
>>2020275She just looks like a masc woman
>what about this is giving she/her (nails emoji)So women can't be women unless they're hyperfeminine? I feel bad for normal gnc women who get mistaken as gendies because of this
No. 2020708
>>2020275Gender is just clothes!
I refuse to use tiktok, but sometimes i wanna make an account just to troll/confront gendies.
No. 2020718
>>2020708For me it was a series of things that ultimately 'peaked' me totally but I can remember some of the specific things. One of them was some article on a popular news/editorial site where an AGP troon was talking about how 'he received female socialization while male.' He tied himself in knots trying to explain this like when girls got subtly treated differently than boys he 'internalized' this. I remember trying really hard to be a good 'ally' and explain this to my boyfriend at the time and he kept being like 'huh?' and I was like yeah that doesn't actually make sense now I explain it in plain language. Trying to be a TRA made me actively find it more nonsensical because when I tried to summarize the points myself I realized they made no sense.
Two of the other really big moments I remember slowly peaking me were 1. being on tumblr and all those '
TERF blogs to avoid' and someone listed Ophelia Benson's blog, who's an evolutionary biologist. I used to be an evolutionary biologist as well before I switched fields and had followed her blog in the past so I checked it out to see what the '
TERF' thing she was saying was and it was just a really basic post about sexual dimorphism. Then shortly after that someone reposted something on facebook about Chiminanda Ngozi Adichie being a '
TERF' because of saying 'women and trans women's experiences are different' and even after she apologized she kept being berated. I read the facebook comments and they were absolutely chock full of easily clockable hideous male troons gloating about how they're 'better women than cis women' in a very degrading way and claiming 'cis' women are just jealous, I think that's when I snapped and went to one of my saved tumblr posts about '
TERF blocklists' and read every blog on the list.
No. 2020721
>>2020707I defended then 10 years ago on the basis of "live and let live" and "who are they even harming by dressing in unusual clothes", I thought they were like the LGBs who were campaigning for gay marriage at the time. I thought the tumblr neopronouns were obvious bullshit but tried to be respectful of people who wanted to be called by existing pronouns of a different gender.
Then they started asking for access to women only spaces like bathroom. It seemed blindingly obvious that unscrupulous men would seize that as an opportunity to prey on women and girls and yet nobody seemed willing to admit that it was a risk. Then I saw posts from the gender critical subreddits including itsafetish documenting what these people were actually saying and doing including, as expected, assaulting women and girls in bathrooms. Instantly peaked and lost all sympathy.
No. 2020748
>>2020707I had an ex on the verge of trooning around the time I found this place, so it ended up being a combination of the two. Seeing how he considered himself a woman, but had all these aspects of male socialisation and privilege he failed to recognise made me start to connect some dots. He also just hated being male. I don't think he actually understood what being a woman was, or meant. I was never a full blown handmaiden but in that relationship I began with sympathy and ended it in utter disgust.
It wasn't even a sexual thing for him, he was asexual (had mentioned a brutal sexual assault he endured by other men but I digress), but one time he said he wishes he didn't have a dick or vagina down there, just nothing. When hearing that combined with everything else he told me and knowing he wanted to transition I kinda wondered if he saw women as full, sexual beings with healthy desire.
Either way, he was heavily autistic, and since him every troon I've met and interacted with has shared at least some traits with him.
Tl;dr the best way to peak is actually closely interacting with troons.
No. 2020773
>>2020160>12 year old>incelTwelve-year-olds
should be involuntarily celibate because 12 is below the age of consent.
No. 2020800
>>2020791Oh yeah I know what you're saying and that's why I'm like 'as a bisexual I have no idea what to think about this.' I wasn't even saying you 'can't' be born LGB, just that I'm not 100% sure all cases of being LGB are 'born this way' cases. I am a scientist and after reading lit about it it seems like there are multiple factors that can lead to someone having a 'non standard' sexuality, some seem to be pre-birth and others seem not to be. I'm not projecting anything on gay people because I'm not gay so I don't think I can even imagine what it's like to be gay but I have looked at science studies showing that certain people with certain hormonal irregularities in the womb predict homosexuality, but then that other homosexual people have 'unpredictable' presentations. I also know gay people who said they were 'attracted' to the opposite sex until their mid-teens and then suddenly stopped, and I don't want to invalidate their experiences either.
I will say that my personal experience was that when I was around 5-12 I thought I was 'attracted' to males only, then after some traumatic experiences I 100% stopped being attracted to males and thought I was lesbian (and other people thought I was lesbian, I was horrifically bullied for being lesbian, my parents abused me thinking I was lesbian etc) for several years, then due to the bullying I tried to 'act straight' for a while and discovered I was selectively genuinely attracted to males sometimes, but I remain primarily female-attracted. I went through so many mindfuck moments in my life due to my sexuality seemingly 'changing' though and I think some of it could have been due to social inluences/'nurture.' I have quite a few gay and lesbian friends and it's kind of mixed between what they've said to me, some of them saying 'everyone knew' they were gonna grow up gay when they were like 5 and others saying that they felt 'genuinely' attracted to the opposite sex until later. I think until there's a clear answer I won't have a clear cut opinion either way but my main point is it shouldn't even matter. Even if someone wasn't 'born' that way but developed same sex attraction in puberty it's still rapey and disgusting to try to 'turn' them. It just is.
This is a minor thing but I have the 'male pattern' ring finger length lmao. I always wondered if that 'predicted' my bisexuality.
No. 2020811
>>2020800Oh my bad, i misinterpreted your response a bit sorry im tired and get defensive over that stuff quite easily. now that I understand more i agree with you alot actually, imo homosexuality is a very case by case thing. I think trannies are very similar to moids in the way that they try to peer pressure lesbians (or even women simply not interested in them) into "unlearning" their sexuality. So yeah I agree, i think in all cases of same sex attraction, one's sexuality should be respected no matter the case. I do wonder though, do bisexual women have trannies on their backs as much as lesbians do?
>This is a minor thing but I have the 'male pattern' ring finger length lmao. I always wondered if that 'predicted' my bisexuality.interesting, i know a female bisexual relative who has it too.
No. 2020827
>>2020811Yeah I know what you're saying and I get why you would feel defensive but I have the somewhat unpopular opinion that while 'born this way' is a convenient way to just get people to leave you alone, it shouldn't be necessary to respect someone's sexuality. In 2024 it should be known by any person in a western society that consent is important and interrogating 'when' someone knew they were gay shouldn't be necessary or important. If a woman doesn't want to sleep with women she doesn't, period. Even as a bisexual I have had multi-year phases where I was never attracted to men at all and would cringe thinking about getting close to men physically and just because I've had boyfriends in the past people would question me and gaslight me like crazy about saying I'm not interested in men at this moment.
I posted earlier in this thread but I actually don't think bisexual women have AGP moids on our backs as much as lesbians do. I think for one thing AGP moids are obsessed with the validation they get from thinking they're dating a female-exclusive homosexual and specifically seek out actually lesbian women (or women who claim they are) to validate this delusion. For another thing I think that as a bisexual woman you can just say 'I'm not attracted to you because I'm not' and they are more likely to just accept that because they would feel like weird rapists if they pushed you on that knowing you're okay with 'both' sets of genitalia, but when it comes to lesbian women they will think 'oh this woman doesn't see me as a real woman' and try to convince the lesbian to sleep with them. As a bisexual if I tell some troon 'sorry I'm not into you' they can't argue it's because I have a bigoted genital preference.
I have had tons of troons be really predatory toward me specifically because I'm bi and they assume I'm therefore okay with 'the queer community' but I haven't had the kind of cotton ceiling pushback my lesbian friends have, I also don't think male troons are as interested in me once they learn I'm bisexual.
No. 2020835
>>2020822The 'best of both worlds' thing is so stupid lmao. No you're the worst of both worlds. I like women when they are beautiful and have women's bodies and act like women, I like men when they are beautiful in a male way and have masculine bodies that are hot, troons are the worst of everything. Bad style, stinky, stupid interests, trying to develop mannerisms and secondary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, mentally ill, gross hobbies, and a lack of confidence in who they are. Everything about them is offputting and entitled.
I know some bisexual women say they're into extremely feminine women and extremely masculine men, I'm not, I actually tend to like more 'androgynous' people of both sexes but I'm still drawn to their sexual characteristics. I tend to like beautiful women who are more GNC and beautiful/pretty men who are a bit more GNC as well (not in the troon way). I'm never going to be attracted to a mentally ill freak abusing their body with cross-sex hormones and ill-fitting clothing, ever.
No. 2020836
>>2020811>do bisexual women have trannies on their backs as much as lesbians do? they put such a big emphasis on being/dating "lesbians" because a bisexual, especially one who primarily likes men, may not see them as a true and honest woman. I know a self-described lesbian who solely dates MTFs and she is incredibly popular with them. I'm bi and dated an MTF
in high school, he was a pretty goth twink with pronouns ok who would call me a lesbian, which really pissed me off. He loved bragging about his "cis les gf" to his tranny friends and honestly, it was one of the moments that peaked me. Like rather than liking me he was only attracted to the idea of being a lesbian, and I was a prop for his vanity. The way he was so fetishistic about being "irl yuri" made me so uncomfortable.
No. 2021172
>>2020791Yeah people often use the 'born this way' debate to basically deny lesbianism for their ideological purposes (trans ideology, sexual orientation self-ID) even if it's irrelevant. The 'born this way' concept deserves to be criticized like any other theory but you have to be stupid or in denial to act like sexual orientation is not fixed after a certain age (probably very early on, since people report getting homo/hetero crushes in childhood). Bisexuals who think they're so enlightened for bringing up fluidity are really embarrassing, it's like they lack a theory of mind and can't imagine others having a different sexuality.
>>2020707>Does anyone else remember the exact thing that peaked you?There was a pre-peaking when i looked up 'gender theory' (before it was big online) and found the then-TRAs to be weirdly forgiving of the John Money experiment. They talked about it like it was a fun little scientific project that validated them and not a horrible case of child abuse. I was instantly peaked by how agressive TRAs were in very early tumblr transactivism days (the 'die cis scum' shit). Went from 'i wonder who these transsexuals are, no one talks about this' to 'nope'. Soon after i picked up fetishist vibes from activist TiMs, it was too obvious for me to ignore. I had no idea of what AGP was then but i sensed something was deeply wrong. Last nail in the coffin was seeing my entire friend group of nerdy girls troon out in record time.
No. 2021468
My coworker told me his daughter has identified as a tif since 11 years old. He says it is because bad relationship with her mother, but of course as a typical moid he loves to blame the ex wife for everything. The daughter just sounded like she is a bit nerdy and gotten neglected in the divorce, reminded me of myself at that age. It is just that now we have social media to groom children and even schools teach about gender shit. I feel so bad for little girls.
>>2021172How do people think that sick experiment by a pedophile proves anything. A boy is horribly mutilated (even a frankenvag needs penis tissue, he would have had literally no genitals), drugged with hormones and molested. He doesnt just happily think he is a girl. This means gender?
No. 2022323
>>2020707I distinctly remember being in the mtf thread and realizing that there could never be any such thing as a "real" trans. I'm not sure what sparked the thought but I realized I was being inconsistent with my logic and basically either they're all fake or none of them are. It was easy to apply the same logic to TIFs, especially as I'd been close to quite a few and it was very obvious what kind of mental issue were motivating their choices.
Up until that point I'd been treating them with a "wait and see" mentality and I was facing intense pressure to toe the line being newly out and only having gendie friends + my gf was a handmaiden at the time. It felt incredibly dangerous to realize that I was willingly rubbing shoulders with a bunch of predatory men. It was also disheartening to realize that I was enabling women who were dealing with deeply internalized misogyny (not to mention figuring out why so many straight, homophobic transmascs were so hostile towards me).
This is what they fail to realize. Very few female allies truly believe in the cause. Compliance seems mostly motivated by social pressure and fear. And they're right to be suspicious of feminists, because I noticed that the women in my friend group who peaked first were the ones who cared a lot about politics and actually bothered to learn the rhetoric and construct good arguments. Yet another sad case of what happens if you listen to trans people.
>>2022125Kekkk I'm so sorry nona. Pathetic of her, why didn't she just go work out?
No. 2022371
>>2022125If you still know those people call them out on it now years later because that's fucked up kek
"remember when i was broken up with because my shoulders are too wide and you felt bad for HER" I'd leverage that any time this person went against me or mentioned any kind of body shaming in any way kek
No. 2022378
>>2020707>Does anyone else remember the exact thing that peaked you?It wasn't one single event but one absolute key thing was my friend showing me Blaire White (i know, cringe kek). That was the first time I saw anyone who (in my then tumblrina groomed mind) wasn't an evil right wing nazi complaining realisitically and making fun of nonbinary gendersplats. When a "real" trans person points these things out it suddenly had merit and I was finally allowed to listen. It finally clicked that it really was bullshit that mentally ill girls are calling themselves "he/fae/faeself" and dress up in pants and call themselves "real men", switch to a skirt tand they're suddenly "fae" the next day…
As much as lc hates Blaire he really is useful when it comes to peaking people, he's a good first step.
No. 2022570
>>2020707It wasn't just one thing but some small things that happened over time. I used to support that shit for 10 years but in 2020 when gendie crap on tiktok blew up and people started using neopronouns and those retarded made-up genders, it was downright ridiculous to me and gave me intense second-hand embarassment. And the behaviour of my gendie peers was always off-putting to me but I could never put into words why that was. I guess it was because of how extreme a lot of them were. And like another anon said, out of curiosity I started watching Blaire White videos and other similar videos by other YouTubers. Then one day I found lc
while looking up Cryaotic kek and wondered what this site was. Lurked for a few days, and instantly peaked for good.
No. 2022645
>>2020707I was a handmaiden for a long time because I grew up on tumblr and thought not believing the “trans women are women” mantra made me an evil bigot or whatever. Still when I saw people I followed online I immediately disengaged from them because it just found it difficult to believe they truly were the gender they said they were, it was easier for me to accept trans people who I already knew as trans. I also found it incredibly unattractive how these people were at a war with their own body. I thought this was some internal prejudice I had lights I should unlearn, but I didn’t try very hard to lol.
When I reached my twenties I started to question gender ideology and not feel guilt for it. I saw a tumblr post that said “kids should be allowed to medically transition because kids deserve bodily autonomy” and thought that that was dumb. By that logic you could allow kids to do hard drugs, get tattoos and extreme bodily modifications, which most people would consider
abusive and neglectful.
I then began deconstructing other ideas. I began to read more stuff critical of TRA’s. I actually used to read radfem tumblr blogs before I peaked and agreed with a lot of what they said but repressed it. Idk why. I guess because I was being told these people were evil and irredeemable. I also looked at more normie people critical of TRA’s like Jesse Singal. I realized that in a lot of cases gender dysphoria was no different to regular body dysmorphia, so it didn’t make sense to treat a mental illness with surgery and by pandering to delusion. I also realized how misogynistic the movement was and came to really dislike TIMs.
Peaking was actually a very good feeling, I no longer had to feel guilty for having eyes and knowing what a woman is. Also when I saw Lolcow mentioned on a gossip discord I started lurking and this site helped with that too. The trans movement really is extremely religious and realizing that it’s all bullshit is such a great feeling. If I ever have kids I’m going to be careful with their access to the internet and make sure they learn critical thinking, because I don’t want them to be indoctrinated by internet weirdos like I was.
No. 2022657
>>2020707Unironically, being tomboy-ish and having a tim bf made me peak.
I had a faggy male leaning bf and I hated myself that even his crumble of attention was fine until I saw him using my bras to do shit in chatroulette and I was like "hmm okay it's fun tricking moids" and after the bras, the makeup came. He destroyed all my makeup like a kid would do with expensive gouaches, I was heartbroken and his excuse was "Well, I'm experimenting!"
Then the first dresses came and that's when I peaked: he was calling himself a woman, saying that those things made him a woman. I never wore a dress in my life nor heels and I remember thinking "Then what I am if women are heels and dresses?"
I always struggled to being seen as a girl because I liked being a girl! I wanted to be one! And I actively fought these stereotypes (maybe being a bit of a nlog in my teen years saved me from this madness), when I saw them coming full circle, that's when I peaked and then realized that troons were cosplaying women in the most narc way. Hated that. I love how actually listening to troons makes people peak.
No. 2022674
>>2020707The EXACT thing that peaked me was going through a terrible ritalin experience, burning out, crashing, having to go to an outpatient therapy group, then while I was doing my usual scrolling of lolcow I finally unhid the MTF and FTM threads and took the plunge. I was slightly scared, but I kept reading them both and I finally peaked completely. What also helped was that I had one very stereotypical "big boy uwu" FTM and a very stereotypical "quiet autist" AGP who wore a shitty wig. They were very stereotypical representations of trans people.
For background, I have been on tumblr for over 10 years or so, assimilated into their little tranny loving cult, only interacted with FTMs because I only had FTMs in my school but every single interaction with a MTF made me so uncomfortable for a reason I couldn't explain, plus I felt annoyed when people would go on about "the first female [whatever]" but it was actually a hulking male troon but felt bad about it.
The MTF and FTM threads helped me come to terms with my feelings about trans people and then trans ideology as a whole. It took like 7 years of scrolling and lurking lolcow before I finally looked at the troon threads because at first they annoyed be on the basis of troonphobia, then they started to catch my interest but I felt really bad for it. Then the ritalin thing happened KEK and I read every single troon thread from the beginning and I still keep up and contribute somewhat.
No. 2022700
>>2020707Mainly being exposed to TIMs online and reading what they were saying about lesbians. I was pretty live and let live about it when I thought TIMs were primarily feminine gay men but AGPs always kind of gave me a bad feeling. Didn't ever make sense to me that they could be homosexual females, at first I was kind of okay with them being in lesbian groups because I assumed they were hoping to date the bi women
This is cringe but the final nail in the coffin for me was fandom drama lol. The 100 was airing and I was seeing posts circulating like "Attention cis lesbians: There is nothing interesting about two white cis women pairing up. You have a moral duty to pressure creators for more trans women in lesbian couples! Also if you must engage with this horrible stupid oppressive pairing make sure you give one of them a penis, if you disagree with the G!P Lexa headcanon you're an evil bigot and forcing trans women to kill themselves.". Yeah we have an entire internet filled with disgusting futa/female porn but I'm the bad guy for wanting to write fic with normal lesbian sex. It made me so cranky that I started researching it more and lurking trans subreddits and reading Autostraddle, initially I was trying to convince myself that Tumblr trans were a minority and of course "real" trans lesbians would be more reasonable, but everything AGPs say about lesbianism and womanhood was so gross and wrong it peaked me completely.
No. 2022717
>>2020707Volunteered in an lgbt centre a long time ago when troon numbers were low. We had a new monthly support meeting for them and I found myself reluctantly stuck sitting in on one. There was a single youngish TIF whose whole personality was telling people how sexy they feel as a 'guy' now. All the women they get. Was barely 5 foot tall and it almost seemed like a satirical play on how actual men brag and exaggerate about their insane appeal with the ladies. Think heavily inspired by johnny bravo. Wasn't so much there for support. Seemed deliriously happy about how great life is as a ladies man. Was the lil odd one out amongst the otherwise all TIM bunch. Sat with her legs spread as far apart as possible because.. man
The TIMs summed up; middle aged men who had either semi abandoned or already abandoned their families for the sweet allure of garish dresses. The biggest issue discussed was their bastard kids not auto calling them mommy 5 mins into hearing the news. Which of course means you never speak to your kids ever again, that's a no brainer. I sat there and thought.. this is who we're supporting? We're providing a free space, free staff (mix of volunteers and paid) and free refreshments to these well off old clowns
Middle aged men fucking off and leaving their families so they can instead go spend tons of time and money on something new.. that used to be men having affairs. Struck me that they're essentially just being their own mistresses in some sick way. Obsessed with becoming a sexy woman rather than chasing one. Spending a fortune on trying to look the part but making sure to avail of free services for 'support' at this hard time. Men who could just up and leave and rent a second home to go and play dress up in.. aww the poor things. Such
victims despite them doing whatever they please. It won't be good enough till their kids cheer em on.
And the TIMS who were so sensitive about pronouns n being mommies.. kept calling the one TIF there a she throughout it.
No. 2022825
>>2020575It's the cult mentality. It's kinda similar to when you go to a deeply religious but pretty isolated community where the waitstaff pray at you for not saying grace before your meal and the shopkeepers go on unprompted monologues about Jesus and the Rapture. Except they only see the fruits of their lunacy after death, and troons have to live with reality. Does the woman in that video look like a man? No, and a man in her outfit wouldn't look like a woman. But they need to convince themselves that they can warp reality. They put mascara on their lip hairs to pretend they look manly, cut their hair, learn angles to pretend their bloated red acne-riddled faces aren't feminine, end up looking at themselves exclusively through filters, get surgeries that don't do anything to make them look more like their chosen gender or make them look less like their actual gender. Every second of a troon's life is a performance. At some point they look in a mirror or see an unshooped pic and something inside them crumbles, so they double down on the crazy. If they venture outside their echo chambers they're faced with reality. So yeah, they do always enforce their gender shit everywhere they go. If the waiter misgenders them it shatters the illusion that they're totally the opposite gender and nobody can tell. There's also the sunken cost fallacy to consider. When you burn bridges and physically alter your body into a bootleg drag performer you need the rest of the world to play along, or you'll be forced to admit that you did all that for nothing, and there's no going back.
>>2022676I assume that most of the ex-TIF posters were women who hate read the troon threads and eventually peaked. As long as they're out of the cult that's what matters. It's also a place they can speak to other women without having to tiptoe around male feelings, which I imagine is important to them since peaking/desisting/detransing will instantly kill a TIF's entire social life and estrange her from her friends.
No. 2023094
>>2020707I very recently peaked, about 2 months ago. Before peaking, I was an extreme TRA for years, but parroted whatever tumblr and TRAs told me. My peaking started when I was trying to find pro trans arguments to be a better ally. Every argument I read just made me more unable to defend my beliefs because it all contradicted each other. No one could agree on anything. I was more confused.
For some reason this thought of, "if my brother started identifying as a woman, would you honor that?" popped in my head. I said, no way, he would just lie to get with women, he wouldn't be serious. But that went against my "if they say theyre a woman, thats all that counts" argument I had.
It all went downhill from there. I tried to find comfort in womens forums or blogs online since I didn't have anyone IRL to turn to. I was so fucking annoyed how every safe space for women spent more time saying how twans women are women than actually advocating for women. It felt so disgusting that no one could talk about female issues without saying not all women have a vaginas! some have penises! don't forget that!
Found refuge in the radfem side of the internet. Before peaking I made genide, tif/tim friends, now I don't know what to do. It can feel lonely at times, but it's also freeing that I'm no longer lying to myself. I no longer feel guilty for not wanting to date a TIF, that I won't have to pretend to be attracted to their frakenpenis in order to look progressive, for daring to say something like pregnant woman instead of people with a uterus, birthing bodies, etc.
I dream I can find radfem friends IRL one day. Its true that the more you listen to tims/tifs, the more it peaks you.
No. 2023168
>>2022825>they double down on the crazyI've seen this happen in real time and know exactly what you're talking about. A TIM I'm forced to be around in real life got the chop last year, then a revision surgery, and I can only assume he's in pain and is unhappy because now he walks with a limp and he's introverted and never willing to make small talk with me (although maybe that's just due to his autism, or maybe he can smell the
TERF on me because I don't yasslight him like the rest of the women in our social circle do). Obviously he can't grow his dick back if he detransitions, but a few months after the surgery he got "SHE/HER" tattooed on his chest, right below his neck, to double down on the crazy. I keep waiting for the day when he inevitably either 41%s or commits a mass shooting.
No. 2023446
>>2023168I also know a TIM who became incredibly introverted and had problems (limp and was bedridden for like half a year) post-SRS, it really changed his whole personality though he went from happy-go-lucky outgoing and friendly to withdrawn, stopped being friends with everyone, acted jumpy if you ran into him outside.
>>2023443Man I'm sad I missed the Yaniv discussion on this site, I had to follow the other farms for news on him back then because I hadn't found lolcow yet and every other website was censoring all Yaniv discussion.
No. 2023494
>>2023471Okay sorry for my aggressively worded response then, I am just used to people arguing 'but you're bi so you don't respect gay people' whenever I bring up some relatively unpopular opinion like this, which has more to do with the fact I can't find any research or even anecdotal evidence clearly showing orientation is set/can be known at birth than my own personal experiences. I think it's shooting ourselves in the foot to lean too hard on 'born this way' arguments as justification to give LGB people legal protections because then it's easily co-opted by troons, pedos, fetishists etc. claiming they deserve special considerations because of being 'born that way' too when the point is they are harming people and asking for special privileges and gay/bi people are not.
I agree with you about the 'penis trauma' thing being a bad idea, you should never have to explain to any man why you don't want to sleep with him whether you're lesbian or straight. 'I don't want to' is a sufficient reason and a man who doesn't leave you alone after that is a creep/potential rapist.
No. 2023503
>>2023398There was a hot day last summer when I could smell his frankenvag from like 10 feet away, but these days he wears a lot of scented body spray, he's probably self conscious about how his crotch wound smells.
>>2023446Is that TIM still alive? Does he live independently, does he have a job?
No. 2023601
>>2023587Oh sorry I'm dumb, apparently he is still alive, someone saw him recently but he quit his job, school, and torched all social connections he had before/deleted social media so I don't know anything else about how he's doing now.
Sad because he seemed pretty well-adjusted and happy by TIM standards before the SRS.
No. 2024275
>>2023094>My peaking started when I was trying to find pro trans arguments to be a better ally. Every argument I read just made me more unable to defend my beliefs because it all contradicted each other. No one could agree on anything. I was more confused.Same, it hits a point where they contradict each other directly. Like for example they'll loudly and proudly say
>"denying trans people life-saving surgery that they literally need to not die is transphobic"And you go, yeah that makes sense, of course trans people need their life-saving surgery! But then the then the next guy says
>"thinking trans people need surgery is transphobic, you're just disgusted by the transness and want them to perform oppressive cis-ness"and you sit there like wait- I guess that also makes sense…? So do they need life-saving surgery or not..? And you desperately try to find an explaination that makes the double-think true somehow, but instead you just find more and more contradictions until you snap out of it and peak.
No. 2024352
>>2024275I definitely peaked because I attended a transgender student club and several trans-focused events with my trans-identified friends back in college. At one trans club meeting, we were talking about stuff like getting the university to add gender-neutral bathrooms, and let trans students choose roommates of the same gender (opposite sex), which seemed reasonable to me at the time, but then the club president (a TIM) abruptly changed the topic to “Do you think it’s transphobic for someone to refuse to sleep with a trans person because of their genitals?” This made me go “Hmmm…” I remember saying something like “If the person is already willing to hang out with you as a friend (and not commit a violent transphobic hate crime against you) why do they also have to be willing to sleep with you in order to not be transphobic? Why is just being platonic friends not good enough?” and I didn’t receive a satisfactory answer.
Also, at our university’s transgender day of remembrance event, I remember this badly-passing AGP man talking about how it was transphobic that he was constantly groped and sexually assaulted, but also he shouldn’t have to pass and perform perfect femininity to be respected as a woman. This also made me go “Hmm…” I now realize that him talking about being groped and assaulted was probably just him sharing his AGP fantasies - he probably got a massive euphoria boner from standing on a stage with a microphone, sharing his sexual fantasies with a room full of people.
Also, realizing that my 3 closest trans-identified friends in college were all deeply mentally unwell people - in particular I’d known my best friend since high school and I could see how her transgenderism was tied in with her (likely) autism, sexual trauma issues, issues with her bi/homosexuality, self-harming impulses, and her general feelings of alienation for being a weird nerd girl. We haven’t spoken in years, but she’s still a TIF, she’s dating another TIF who posts BDSM porn of her, and she uses it/itself pronouns. So sad. I wish she’d wake up and leave the cult but it’s been more than 10 years.
It is true that listening to trans people will eventually make anyone peak.
No. 2024411
>>2020707i never really believed in any of this shit deep down but i used to be the type to say oh just let them live or whatever and believe in trutrans to some extent. then my bf said he wanted to troon out and at first i was trying to be a handmaiden and in denial that this was going to destroy our relationship until i realized how sad it made me and how alone and isolated i felt because i felt like i couldn't tell anyone how i felt out of fear of being called a bigot. then i found radfem spaces and other "trans widows" and it helped me fully peak and decide i didn't want to put up with that shit anymore and made me understand how retarded it all was fully. i always thought it was odd people couldn't just be gnc and had to call themselves trans or whatever to begin with but that was what fully made me go anti trans rethoric. and i have to say ever since i've felt more isolated than ever and it's been rough since despite knowing a couple of people who don't believe in tranny shit a large majority of my friends still believe in that shit and loads of them troon out…and it's just like, i can't really say anything or just watch it all unfold. it made me realize people are incredibly stupid too since they'll have shit happen to them and still remain retarded or delusional. knew a girl in the same position as me with the bf turned tranny thing but she stayed with him for example and still capes for trannies and it's just sad
>>2024275it's weird to me how people don't peak even after this, i've known a lot of people who even when you present those contradictions they don't change their mind at all.
No. 2024734
>>2024352I already posted my peaking story earlier in the thread but what you mentioned about knowing troons personally was part of what made me initially start doubting gender ideology before I fully peaked. A bunch of my female friends from highschool (both online friends and irl friends) all trooned out around the same time and it was all the same 2 types of people - either shy 'asexual' autistic nerd girls who couldn't find boyfriends and assumed they would be 'cuter' as a man or girls with severe trauma issues who were doing shit like receiving anal sex in public and bragging about it because they were so fucked up by trauma. No 'normal' functional girl I knew back then ever tried to troon out, so it was pretty obvious it was a sign of being either autistic or mentally disturbed.
The only male troons I knew when I was younger were also autists.
No. 2024736
>>2024411The weirdest situation I know of is a girl who is basically a '
TERF,' used to go on r/GenderCritical and was pissed off that reddit deleted the
TERF subs, but for some reason this whole time has been dating and now is about to marry a mentally ill autistic troon who doesn't work and freeloads off of her. It's so weird like she will say all this outright
TERF shit to my face but is going through with marrying this useless troon who doesn't even have a job. Why are women like this
No. 2025135
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>acting like disgusting TIMs are even remotely on the same level as butch women
if anything we'd be owed a thousand unapologetic butches to compensate for even one of these shameless parasites.
No. 2025150
>>2025135you can tell a male wrote this because not all tomboys are butch
and also because it's gay and lame
No. 2025274
>>2022600I'm
>>2020748 and I relate to you
nonny in that I'd pretty much always been chill with trans people (didn't care, knew some but not in any intimate capacity) until my ex trooned. I felt pretty isolated because everyone around me was just so open and accepting but I was starting to have some serious doubt. Not sure about you but I went through the phase of "he's not reaaaally trans" before stumbling upon here.
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>meet they/them enby whose circle overlaps with mine
>actually seems kinda cool, hope she's another butch lesbian
>she's a literal aiden who calls herself gay as hell and only loves dudes
>tries way too hard to seem tough and fit in with the guys, even the ones who are jerks while ignoring how uncomfortable the girls around them are
>we're generally polite with each other but sometimes she laughs at my silly jokes
>today she misunderstood my joke, then continuously berated and made fun of me in front of everyone else
Damn, why do nlogs have to be this mean…
No. 2025627
>>2025499AYRT and yeah when I still thought he was female it just seemed utterly bizarre and incomprehensible to me, then as soon as I realized he was a troon it all made sense as typical gay moid behaviour and it was such a mental relief to realize what I was witnessing. He would even openly hit on my (extremely uninterested) boyfriend in front of me and then wink wink nudge nudge me claiming my boyfriend was into him, I didn't feel threatened but it was so extremely weird because women basically never do this, but it made sense realizing he's gay and a lot of gay men are more OK with sleeping around even in relationships. There was this really bizarre combination of overwrought 'girl power' 'omg girlies' type behaviour that seemed very middle-school to me and nasty competitive male-pandering behaviour where he didn't seem able to relate to women at all that made no sense to me on a subconscious level before I realized he was a troon. Also lmao despite what troons will say about feeling 'even more unsafe' than real women he would act confused when me and my friends offered to walk him home late at night which again just seemed extremely bizarre to me. What 5'2 woman would say 'no haha why would I be scared' to a group of friends walking her home at 3am in a seedy part of downtown?
The other big tell was that he was super flirty with and into like literally 60+yo scrotes as a 19-20 year old, I never saw a woman unironically thirst over some geriatric moid like this guy did.
No. 2025646
>>2020707What peaked me was TIMs. Even when I was a trans ally I was always skeptical of transwomen, I figured the HSTS men on TV were fine but I was never comfortable with the concept that someone can live their formative years as a man with male privilege being a woman all along and understanding what that's like. There was also a thing on TV about a transkid and I thought it was weird and creepy, even a classmate who skewed conservative thought that it'd be no big deal if this was a 20 year old, but this was an actual kid being "turned into a girl" just for liking dresses. I read some old school gender theory from the 2000s and thought some of it was regressive, but I thought that this was just a small minority of people and it's not like they would turn the tide of things. Then when I came out as a lesbian at 19 I saw the whole genital preference/"lesbian sex can include PIV"/"you're a hypocrite if you're willing to be friends with transwomen but not go on birth control to date them" shit and it horrified me as a rape
victim who spent my teen years going through homophobic abuse. I thought the mantra was that we were born this way and that conversion therapy is abuse, but now "gay" communities support it? I figured
that was just a minority of trans and they would just seethe on Tumblr, but once again I was wrong.
No. 2025661
>>2025646Yeah nona idk how anyone can regularly interact with TIMs and not come out of it thinking they're predators, especially AGP TIMs. Even when I was more supportive of gendershit (I was never TRA/fully libfem but like you I thought oh it's a tiny minority with dysphoria, I'm sure they're harmless) whenever I met a TIM irl it was always the creepiest, most low-effort scrote and I kept trying to tell myself 'I'm sure most of them aren't like this' until I couldn't anymore. I genuinely think most women who unironically support TRA/troon shit just haven't interacted with many TIMs irl because they would peak anyone.
Like you said it also makes no intuitive sense that a man can be raised and socialized male his entire childhood and adolescence and even early adulthood and somehow 'relate to' or 'understand' what it's like to be raised female. How would that even work? The shit you deal with being raised female is shit 99% of males don't even notice at all, they are too accustomed to thinking of themselves as the human norm to even consider what girls are raised like. Talk to basically any normie moid that hasn't read a bunch of feminist lit and you'll see they never even noticed 90% of the shit girls were subjected to growing up and probably won't even believe you if you tell them. So how can these specific moids claim to be so extremely sensitive to the female child experience that they not only noticed it all but 'internalized' it even though it wasn't directed at them?
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something i have noticed as a very tall woman is that TIMs consistently treat me with absolute contempt once they realize i am an actual woman and it’s honestly so funny to me at this point, like it’s obvious enough that even my friends can pick out when a tranny is staring at me like they want to wear my skin.
i frequent a number of spaces that have a disproportionate number of troons in the community and they are typically all ogreish and obviously male, like i have never met a single TIM that comes anywhere close to passing, and it’s kind of a known thing in some of these spaces that if you see someone over 5’10 in a dress it’s almost definitely a man. they often bemoan their height and insist that if they were just shorter and smaller they’d totally pass and that the only thing that outs them as male is being “too tall” for a woman. and then they come face to face with a real live natal woman who is the same height as them and yet so unmistakably female in comparison that it’s often impossible for them to hide how hard they are seething lmao
No. 2026069
>>2020707I was into Jfashion and there were always sissy fetishists trying to ingratiate themselves with my local community to use us as fetish fodder. Before gender ideology really took off everyone acknowledged that these men were sexual predators who should be banned on sight. Then around ~2013 there was this shift towards a more sympathetic (that is, naive) attitude because “some of these people might actually be transwomen, who are the most oppressed people evar and the only reason anyone might feel uncomfortable around them is ignorance and bigotry!”
All of a sudden we were supposed to welcome these men with open arms and give them the benefit of the doubt no matter how inappropriately they acted towards us. Being told to suppress my intuition regarding predatory men (who we all agreed were perverts only like a year ago) already set off plenty of alarm bells, but then I found out that the most deranged, pornsick, serial-killer-in-training horrorcow I knew had been allowed to fully legally and medically transition. He showed us the fraudulent sex marker on his passport and threatened to show us his designer rotpocket, too. That shattered the concept of “true trans” for me. If a fully trained team of psychiatrists and surgeons could look at this guy, who had a raging cluster B personality disorder and couldn’t go five minutes without saying something misogynistic or oversexed, whose entire social media presence consisted of degradation porn, and say sure, this is a legit transwoman, then clearly there was something very wrong. Either transwomen could be dangerous sexual predators in a way not meaningfully distinguishable from men or the process that determines who is genuinely transgender is a farce.
It’s both! It then clicked that the better behaved ones weren’t women either. No men are women, no matter how they behave or who they’re attracted to or how they dress. I had peaked and there was no going back.
No. 2026417
>>2026268the right to call himself a woman without forcing anyone else to do so is included under free speech, so unless they live in a 24/7
terf surveillance state
aka. what they think the UK is kek there's no reason to "want the right" in the first place as it's something they already have.
No. 2026686
>>2024418I had a similar concept, forget the exact words, handed to me when my old friend tifs out and I replied no she killed my friend and trashed her fucking name.
It was to my boyfriend at the time, husband now who was peaked separately by one of his old friend group becoming a cam"girl" and my tif revealing her true shithead powerlevel
No. 2026787
>>2026268I would question what the root causes are that drive him to desire to refer to himself as a woman because it is 100% always rooted in misogyny. I do not associate with any man that believes he understands what it's like to be a woman because it is an inherently misogynistic delusion that can only exist if he has little to no understanding of what women actually experience. In my
terf utopia he would still be sent to a labor camp.
No. 2026804
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>>2014983Awww, anon! I made this forever ago. Here's the accompanying TiF version from back then.
No. 2026961
>>2026268I’ve found the most self aware trannies are the HSTS. They still say some viciously misogynistic shit because they’re gay men but they’re less insecure and at least bond with the faghags, so for me it’s less a division between what’s requested and more a division between AGP and HSTS. I automatically do not trust AGPs no matter how innocuous they claim to be, where HSTS I can give the benefit of the doubt.
Also like other nonas have said, that’s technically protected under free speech/spiritual belief. I’ve grown to not believe in trutrans and see it as a spiritual belief like religion and from then on it’s how well the person can integrate despite their belief. HSTS broadly integrate with women better and I respect them on that regard. AGPs are universally degenerates and should stick to their own cliques like flat earther and qanon retards stay in their own circles
No. 2027161
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>>2026936>would you rather a dead son/friend or a happy trans daughter/friendYeah, and it also assumes that troons are guaranteed to kill themselves if they don't medically transition, which just isn't true. The Cass report found that the suicide rate for trans-identified people is about the same as it is for other mental illnesses, like schizophrenia, autism, and BPD (all of which troons typically have). What this means is that there are confounding variables; it's difficult to be certain if the suicidality is caused specifically by the gender identity issue. The same report also indicated that there isn't a strong base of support for the idea of transitioning actually reduces likelihood of suicide attempts. There are some studies that indicate a reduction in depression symptoms, but that could just as likely be because GIDS required patients to receive ongoing talk-therapy.
>I recently lost a friend to the trans movement and it's like they're dead because after transitioning her personality switched to a chronically online twittard one and it's like speaking to a scripted botYes, something very similar happened to my best friend after she began dating a TiF. Luckily, her personality has yet to be completely eclipsed by the ideology, probably because she's maintained connections with me and a few other non-crazies. I'm still so fucking angry at her TiF girlfriend, though. Trying to turn your girlfriend into a clone of you isn't love, it's abuse.
But to your point, it
is basically like your friend or relative died and their body is being puppeteered by a cultish ideologue that acts and speaks identically to thousands of others just like them online. You just kind of hope that some day they'll snap out of it, and luckily, they occasionally do (though not as often as would be ideal, which is always.)
No. 2027239
First tranny I met was actually an AGP in the late 00s. Since I was young and stupid I just accepted him as being a tall, kind of ugly looking woman. I met him through an anime convention forum that lets you find roommates. Was dating a woman, didn't realize that she was straight and dated him since pre-transition. Quickly learned how abusive he was to her after spending more time with them. Classic tranny narcissism, just throwing male rage fits and screaming at his gf in public. And having no self awareness. I remember he was fishing for compliments trying to ask if he could pull of a Bayonetta cosplay, then insisted that he could kek. Also, since I'm tomboyish and kind of frumpy he had the audacity to try to "fix" me too, since he's clearly an expert on it!
Whats funny is their friend secretly hated him and would misgender him behind his back. Sadly now she's a massive TRA and they're still friends. I looked back on his Facebook and he's still done nothing to fix his fucked up non passing face, just keeps getting breast implants every few years. I don't know what it is with AGP trannies where they neglect face surgery in favor of breast augmentation. His body, like many others, have that male fat distribution problem where having large boobs just makes him look top heavy and hunched over, whilst his lower half is all compressed.
It's funny to look back on now. I only peaked in the last 3 years or so but that should have been a sign.
No. 2027269
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Funny, you would say the same thing about TRAs.
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Everybody point and laugh
No. 2027305
>>2023443Oh shit
nonnie, that is the same exact thing that peaked me. It was kind of a fateful day seeing that discussion on the front page back then, because I never would have even heard about it if it wasn't for this place
No. 2027316
>>2026417This, they already have the right to call themselves untruths. And we have the right to disagree.
If you mean legally, then no, they shouldn't be allowed to lie on legal documents.
No. 2027405
>>2026393>>2026427>>2026787Agree with all of these. TIMs are inherently misogynistic, deceitful and predatory. There is no such thing as a harmless TIM. Even kids like Jazz Jennings who are
victims of transhausen by proxy are contributing to the erosion of women’s rights and boundaries. If you agree that one kind of male can be considered a woman then why not other kinds of male? It’s not in the nature of TIMs to ever be satisfied. If you give them a finger they will keep pulling and pulling until they’ve ripped your whole arm off.
Men can call themselves women in the same way that anyone can claim to be a reincarnated Napoleon Bonaparte. Being mentally unstable and delusional shouldn’t be a crime. But those delusions shouldn’t be given any kind of legal weight and nobody should be expected to play along with it. It shouldn’t even be considered kind to play along, because then it will automatically be expected of women to do so. It needs to become common knowledge that men who want to be called women are coming from a place of fetishism and misogyny and that women are fully justified in avoiding them. We need to treat transgenderism like we treat transracialism. Not illegal, but definitely embarrassing and offensive.
No. 2027411
One of the saddest thing about TiFs is witnessing their rapid disillusionment as they settle into their 'transition'. In my experience there's always a moment when you can tell 'oh she's pretty aware she's still a woman and will never be taken seriously'. Recently a TiF i know reacted strongly to 'misogynistic men are spiritually gay' talk but her reaction was really different from your typical woke response (saying it's homophobia, missing the point). She ranted about how 'us gay men' aren't a garbage bin for shitty men who can't respect women. She very clearly spoke as a female, because there's no way an actual gay man would be this badly hurt by witnessing misogyny. She went on and on about how much it sucked to have a dating pool comprised of such men, and you could sense her slow realization that the so-called 'gay men' she dated were really bisexual or straight perverts at most. Every time i hang out with her she (briefly) complains about extremely female-typical experiences, like never being taken seriously or being prevented from solving/fixing stuff, things like that. I don't know how these TiFs can stand this life, being extremely aware of female socialization but never escaping it. She's tiny and has a frog voice, too. I'm starting to think this kind of non-passing TiF only sticks with this farce because they undergo drastic things like mastectomy really early on, as a way to fully commit before they can second-guess themselves. They most likely have terribly low self-esteem and can't imagine going back to honest womanhood with a partially masculinized body.
>>2027239>I don't know what it is with AGP trannies where they neglect face surgery in favor of breast augmentationFetishism. This word has been watered down to the point where it barely means anything now, but fetishism has always been about reducing the other (most often a woman) to an object. AGPs will always have a body part or costume or behavior they're obsessed with, breasts (very commonly), tights, shoes, a mask etc. AAP doesn't quite fit this fetishism definition, which is why fujo fakebois are noticeably different despite a common obsession for anime/homosexuality/etc. Women in general aren't prone to fetishism. A lot of AGP behavior makes sense when you realize they've given up on things like actual relations with mutual pleasure, because most of their sexual/fantasy life revolves around dehumanizing the self or the other by turning it into a thing. This is why men who are deep enough into their fetish feedback loop will ruin their marriages/jobs/families, they've already substituted normal affect for a fetishistic one and only stay in marriage because it's convenient, or to have someone to enact their sexual scenarios and help them realize their fetish in day-to-day life.
No. 2027414
>>2027411Good analysis of the AGP fetishism thing nona. Yeah I think a lot of 'normies' won't understand what male AGP troonism (and honestly a lot of HSTS troonism) is really about until they understand this. They might understand if they spend a few hours reading trans subreddits and see that many of these men admit they will take the chance of cutting their genitals off and never experiencing pleasure again for what they openly admit is a fetish. Normal people can't even imagine this level of sexual depravity and mental degradation so they think it doesn't/can't exist.
Regarding TIFs it's not only the moment where you can tell they know they are being treated like women and always will be, there's also usually that moment where you can see them going from 'excited' about physical changes to realizing they will be unhealthy and ugly forever, more and more and can't go back. Thankfully a lot of younger TIFs desist/detransition before this point but you can always see the attitude change in TIFs who were excited they were turning into 'cute boys' for the first year or two and then how they start acting when they become obese, balding, have a scruffy neckbeard and their voice stops 'dropping' and just sounds like they sucked on a helium balloon. I imagine a lot of these women are also undergoing really painful and depressing physical changes that aren't externally obvious, too. The clit enlargement is something a lot of them don't even know about beforehand and that I bet is dysturbing, many start to experience vaginal pain, some have prolapses…
No. 2027512
>>2025433I'm like
nonnie and my old therapist thought I was a TiM when I was having my TiF phase, thank God I never took HRT ("In what way are you transitioning?") same happened online, where I'd be mistaken as a femboy even if showing my face. I also remember this TiM telling me that I'm a cute "boymoder" (he thought I was like him, how deluded some people are is crazy)
No. 2027663
>>2027513There was the picture, and me going on video chat once (it's a shitty logitech webcam). The man was so weird. He was really insisting if I had a penis, and told me that I should stop trying to fool in men, I said that I had a cock and XY chromosomes, because I knew that if I didn't say that lie, he would've acted even more inappropriate with me. Men online, when they are "transmisogynistic" to TiMs, still hold more respect than when they're just misogynistic. In any way, he acted more homophobic towards me than misogynistic.
I wonder if I should go back to my therapist, because most of my suffering was around my gender nevrosis and she couldn't know how to help me.
In real life too, I get "sir"'d but it's until I talk, after that, the other person (usually a woman) meekly apologizes for her mistake.
It is hard to just not feel like a failed woman in those moments - even if there's no right or wrong way to be a woman.
But thank you for your insight. It's true that IRL, people can indeed, tell.
No. 2027684
>>2027668Oh no no no it was the opposite with the guy - I was just pretending to be a guy to be left alone (harassment by incels on women online is horrid), and he insisted I was a femboy/TiM who should take more estrogen to grow my boobs and to quit fooling men - and I said I was just a man with hormonal issues, not a TiM - Because I knew that if I told him I'm a woman he would've gone nuclear.
But you're right that a lack of attention can result to this. I go to a woman only gym sometimes, so sometimes I really see those very gorgeous and masculine women and I know they are not gendies lol
No. 2027799
>>2027771Samefag
>TIF that didn’t transitionSo like a woman’s voice then? Don’t worry about it.
No. 2027802
>>2027795Haha I do sound like my Asian friend, but no I'm around Europe
>>2027799Yeah but many TiFs try to force themselves into sounding deeper. This voice is my comfortable range
No. 2027839
>>2027806You're very sweet, thank you, I always hated my voice but I think that's everyone? I'm sure you sound lovely too
>>2027809>>2027829Oh that makes so much more sense now. I am on the spectrum so it totally went over my head.
No. 2027912
>>2027902One of my female friends has a male-level low voice lower than a lot of men and her voice is still recognizably female, female vocal cords just sound different or something. No one has ever mistaken her for a man.
I think the only time that voices are confusing is around puberty/teenagerhood, TIF T voices can sometimes be mistaken for voices of boys going through puberty and male/female preteens often have similar voices, but after that it's usually pretty obvious.
No. 2027996
>>2027411>>2027414This has been discussed here before, but it's still worth pointing out how most TIMs spend a lot of effort/money on the same few specific things: breast augmentation through hormones/surgery, body hair removal, growing their hair out (regardless of how good it looks), and aping a "feminine" voice. Everything else about their presentation is hilariously slapdash and malebrained, from the way they dress to the way they move. It's like they think that as long as they have what a man would consider feminine, i.e. long hair, shaved legs, pink/female clothes, no facial hair and so on, then they pass, and that allows them to focus on the aspects of transition that sexually excite them.
No. 2028008
>>2027996>Body hair removalOh
nonnie that's generous, kek. In my experience, most of the ones I've met don't even go
that far. Most think that growing out your hair, getting boobs, and buying a skirt and thigh highs combo off aliexpress will be enough
No. 2028304
>>2027996It's true and that's part of what makes it so funny. Seeing a 6"7 ape with bolt ons and greasy strings of hair battling past the male pattern baldness mince about in a pair of stripper heels and call himself a laydee completely unironically has peaked many TRAs. They make it so obvious that it's a fetish and nothing more. Those same moids seethe over women who like Chinese BL men with pretty faces, long hair and flowing dress-like robes, which only makes it funnier.
>>2028008They fixate on body hair removal if it's part of their fetish. If the fetish stops at putting on thigh highs and giggling in the mirror, there's no incentive to put in any more effort.
>>2028009Can you post proof or elaborate on this? Is it like Tumblr censoring trans women's blogs because they're filled with bare moobs and bulge shots, or is Instagram just deleting troon accounts randomly?
No. 2028874
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461901/Transgender-men-postmenopausal-bladder-bowel-problems.htmlIt seems like we can expect an influx of studies telling us how much testotorone fucks up the female body. Not surprised, but i've always been curious as to how tras react to such studies. I've never seen them respond to them, they always act like it they don't exist.
No. 2028881
>>202887495%. Transmen are all literally pissing themselves, their "true selves" is being covered in piss.
I've only ever seen troons combat medical lies about them when it comes from a fellow troon or makes them look "better". For example scishow recently lied about hrt not effecting the bones of adults (only teens) and a troon chimed in that "actually poor adult transwoemen suffer from poor bones due to hrt too, it makes us more like cis females with weak bones" so even then it's not honest because they don't care about the science. They're going to dismiss every study as transphobia for as long as they can, while secretly pissing themselves of course.
No. 2029280
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>bored
>join discord server
>its full of a bunch of edgy racist gaydens
>immediately greeted by a nazi one calling people nigger left and right
>pronouns in bio
>one of them is a columbine fujo
>despite their attempt at mimicking male socialization they’re still aggressively female
Do trannoids really?
No. 2029292
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>>2029284Here is one of many
No. 2029338
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>>2029296Shit like this is why I feel like teenagers getting "cyberbullied" is a part of the internet's circle of life. Think of how many tranny kids would quit this gender shit if more people, even normies, bullied them for being autistic, coomerish attention-whores.
No. 2029368
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>>1992125Sorry to reply to an old post but is chaotic enby supposed to be that Himmler looking mf from the femboy thread (can't remember his name)
No. 2029462
>>2029448Fucking
exactly, nonna. Affirming teenagers for every dumb fantasy in their head is how you end up with young women who cut their tits off and try to go as 'Aiden' because they never got the proper talk they needed about their insecurity during their teen years. More people need to tell teenagers to shut the fuck up about trooning out, and to embrace simply not being their gender's
stereotype.
No. 2029752
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>>2028304No it’s a huge mass banning of
terf and gc accounts under these new guidelines. MRAs unaffected, so the new rules are being applied unevenly.
No. 2030073
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Banned GC subreddits being mentioned on the mtf thread made me go on a hunt for archives, and saved the ones I found on saidit on a pastebin.
https://pastebin.com/qUA5XYgdPicrel is one of the posts from the first ever peak trans thread in r/gc, I can't believe things were already so cursed back then.
No. 2030119
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>>2029296Kekerino. Literally the TIF MRA in the TIF chart. (S)he's a vewwy scawwy man.