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>>1892891(known baiter inserting bias into OP) No. 1904493
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got friend-requested in a gacha game, when I look at their profile they list their age (11!!), location, and discord handle. wtf happened to basic internet safety? I remember larping as a 20 year old man or warrior cat OC online at that age. tbh even if kid-safe spaces like club penguin came back it would be too late. the popularization of discord as the main source for all online socialization opened pandora's box. these kids are all going to get groomed they're doomed
No. 1904502
I would mission impossible style steal a million dollars from a bank to bribe a farmhand into changing the thread pic and I'm not kidding
>>1904493Parents don't give a fuck and will blame strangers/corps for their incompetence in the future, internet safety is not taught to children nor parents thus severely worsening the problem on both ends, and oversharing is and has been normalized for years. Welcome to hell
No. 1904561
>>1904493Kids as old as 7 are playing gacha which quite frankly sounds gross as hell. We played roblox at that age but now everyone else roblox want the slice of that genshin pie. Credit cards get dispensed, kids get groomed, and no one wins in the end. Oh, and little jimmy wants his dick gone because he's a girl now.
We laughed at horse armor. We made fun of disc dlc and now every single game can't go two steps without shoving truckload of microtransactions down our throats. it should be illegal yet here we are…
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>>1904493back in my old days, the "a/s/l" was a quite dangerous question, so you had to lie over it.
>>1904523>>1904523Specially when minors ignore that some stuff are obtained with real money without their parents permission.
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>>1904561>we played Roblox at that age Speak for yourself, I was playing on the Diva Starz website at that age
No. 1904567
>>19045617 is
old to be playing Gacha? And who plays Roblox at 7? When I was 7 I played ClueFinders and with toys.
No. 1904620
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sagging for retarded vent
>join discord art server
>i mostly draw husbandos with guns and military outfits
>start posting my art
>''ummm can you add tw for guns it makes me uncomfy'' ''ummm very problematic you are glorifying war did you know people die in war''
>leave
Why are female spaces so retarded? specially since that server is filled to the brim of women glorifying ''problematic'' stuff like lore olympus crypto-ddlg shit, old man yaoi, etc. And no, before anyone says i was in the wrong, i was not posting husbandos in nazi uniforms or even uniforms with political attachment it was more like pic rel. I find it funny they are ok with everything else but draw the line at the most common male stripper costume. I had such high hopes for that server since it seemed to have a high bar quality where they didnt anyone with mspaint tier skills in.
No. 1904634
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stolen from the bad art thread but this is hilarious and a little bit sad at the same time. i know it has been talked in the past threads that fandom nowadays focuses more on the checkboxes a character might fit in over the characters actual value, but something about the obsession with illnesses disturbs me, see daphne posing with the pill bottle for example. ive seen young teens make their whole carrds about how many totes real illnesses they have, as if it matters in online spaces?
also theres the other thing about remaking already existing popular characters, you could argue that they rather take characters people know over making ocs but you know this kind of art isnt the one getting liked and shared so its not like it changes a whole lot.
No. 1904636
>>1904620I'm sorry nona, it's really irritating how virtue signal-y female spaces are online, especially ones infested with TIFs. Your art sounds super cool though and I'm sure for every person crying about muh
trigger warnings theres a larger number of people who think your art is neat
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>>1904664I am so tired of cool female characters getting trooned out. I was in the admitelly cringe as fuck tangled: the series fandom and the amount of retarded tranny headcanons surrounding cass was exhausting.
No. 1904744
>>1904634kek one thing I always find funny about these kinds of scooby doo redesigns is that they never include the damn dog- I've seen him get converted into a guide/emotional support dog a couple of times, but usually he's just absent (I see this with other properties too where the non-human or more difficult to draw/warp main characters are absent from the redesign line-up). Wonder why there is a bit of a fixation on these characters in general tbh, never really knew anyone who was super into the shows when I was a kid, yet I've seen a fair few things like this even before the Velma show rekindled some discussion on it.
And yeah it is kinda sad and disturbing that there's such a fixation on illnesses as a character trait or core aspect of a person's online identity. I know it was all the emo rage to have OCs with like self-harm scars and such when I was a kid, but that was for the angst, not uwu quirky rep shit
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>>1904634As someone who grew up on classic Scooby and Mystery Incorporated it's so obvious that they barely know the characters beyond the basics and the illnesses and genderism is attempting to hide that.
>>1904743As someone who regularly (not by choice) interacts with this type of zoomer they do geniunely think like that, the more labels you have the more interesting you are and how it can be a stand-in for a fully formed personality.
>>1904744I think from the outset the characters seem really two dimesional personality-wise while having simple and recognisable traits, thus being easy to project a lot of things on them.
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>>1904744the scooby doo gang is very recognizable and iconic, nearly everyone knows who they are, and they're designed pretty well, with obvious personalities and such. i think they're an easy target for redesigns since they have been changed over the years to fit different eras and audiences, so it isn't anything new- they're a bit timeless, honestly. so since they're all white, able-bodied or whatever, ect., so this is what modernizing them is to zoomers/millennials. its sort of an easy way to practice character design since they have a relatively solid base.
it is kinda funny they have an issue with their races all being white when they were designed by a japanese-american man, and their races only began to get changed in different medias after his passing.
No. 1904826
>>1904744I think the more "iconic" a character is and the more people casually know about them without getting into the media the more butchered and projected on they get. It's the combination of being a fake fan and instant recognizability with only a few traits that makes sjw artists believe they can change everything about the character except their clothes or an accessory and they will still be "themselves" or recognizable enough.
You see this shit a lot with Sailor Moon, Hatsune Miku, Princess Peach. When it's done with characters less ingrained in pop culture that's when you get the "who is this supposed to be" guessing game you see often in the bad art threads so people interact less with it, not recognizing the character. That's why these people constantly gravitate towards the same ones. The attention.
No. 1904831
>>1904620Female spaces suck so much now. They're usually anti
terf and pro tranny. I had to unfollow a few people on social media because they all changed their pfp to the Palestine flag. I hate how sensitive these women are. I think you art and hobby is probably amazing. It sucks what has happened to female spaces on the internet, leaking into real life
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>>1904259why did they make tranny bully fanart, i hate twitter so much
No. 1904936
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>>1904869You know why kek it's a man and homestuck is already known as Bad so it doesn't matter what the creator did or didn't do. All the fans only like it "ironically" or they have their own fixed version that's soo much better.
That reminds me of the Captain Howdie callout doc though, all of it was such a reach. I can't believe posting something about a memorial between random posts was enough to be an offense in 2022 considering how zoomers treat current events now.
No. 1904949
>>1904943Kek considering most of the people upset with Howdie were literal 14-18 year olds it makes sense. Maybe they'll grow out of it. I guess Homestuck has an advantage in that regard because it came out in the early 2010s when no one gave a fuck about
problematic behaviours, then it became cringe in everyone's eyes and now no one cares anymore
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>>1904664>>1904669what pisses me off is that even "progressives" who were asking for more gnc women will turn around and draw arlecchino in drag queen makeup complete with that ridiculous skimpy undersuit (fuck hyv for giving her that btw). in fact, it's not enough to uberfemme her in fanart, they'll even beg for the coomer moidgaze outfit to be part of her stance change in official fucking gameplay. i'm a huge arlecchinofag but man do i despise so much of her "fans".
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>>1904998i believe the perception is a holdover from lazzo. back then we thought she had short hair, and reputable leakers were saying hoyo's internal design philosophy for her was that of a "handsome woman" (i believe they weren't bullshitting, it's just that hoyo's definition of the word is…skewed, and resulted in mistakes that never should've happened such as the rattail, the undersuit, and the stilettos). picrel of fanart from back then that might help showcase the initial perception, contrast this to some of the slop you'll see nowadays thanks to both the fandom coomers and hyv's own shitty design choices in regards to her. i just wish arle was allowed to be a proper handsome woman, but i'll quit rambling for now. see you in the genshit thread nonna.
No. 1905079
>>1904994This shit is so sad, I used to have a group of spergy girl friends in the early 10s (the Homestuck days kek) and as we got older and zoomers started making up the majority of fandom spaces it got infested with sjws, tifs and troons. Even if it went against their beliefs deep down, my friends started sucking up to them and the fandom became a cancel culture shitfest. I'm very blackpilled about online female spaces ever since because they're always full of slacktivism of current thing and the ugliest minority pandering art.
Ironically irl it's moids for me who are insufferable and my girl friends are cool, don't know what the deal is with terminally online girls and gendie shit/politics
No. 1905134
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Just no words. I got nothing.besides most "ace" people being some form of mental illness, pornsickness, or both. Long before I peaked, I gave most asexuals the benefit of the doubt until the coomers came in and ruined it for everyone…
No. 1905238
>>1905158Don't get me started on demisexuals. It's
valid to feel horny after knowing someone for a month? Like what? isn't that…normal? Knew someone who ID'd as Ace for like a year before realizing she's lesbian and didn't know it because her frame of reference was almost always men. People often forget humans are biological creatures, where our basal mechanisms are predicated on survival and propagation. Women being horny once a month is natural and co-assigns with men's own sexual cycle. You know why female sex criminals are rarer? socialization and biology.
We will never be as depraved as men, and probably never will. This leads to fandoms getting infested by "aroace" gendies who swear top and down they're hella queer yet often fall into same trad thinking like any bargain bin conservative. Oh, but they're ace,you see, sex is just icky-wucky for them. No, screw that. They're mentally ill, or worse, traumatized from years of sexual abuse. What they need is help. Better yet, take a break from the internet.
No. 1905252
>>1905134I feel like a lot of people, both on the young end and those in their 20s (or even 30s), have a really warped idea of romance and sex due, in part, to media on a very basic level– I'm not even talking about degeneracy or fetishes, just the baseline expectations more and more people seem to have to these two aspects of life. Like, a lot of people think that if they're not like the people in the movies they watch or the books they read etc by not being constantly horny/insta-love or immediately falling for someone/fucking like rabbits, then they mustn't be normal and have to be some special other thing. It's fine to not constantly be dating or in love or hooking up with someone if you're not interested in it, or if other things in your life make that unappealing to just jump into. Passion is good and all, in life and fiction, but relationships and sex can take time (they are risky and intimate, after all) and somehow these people haven't gotten that message. Idk sorry for the ramble, these people just often speak like aliens or have wild assumptions on how everyone else operates kek, had to deal with so many of them at uni.
Then yeah, there's the smut brainrot playing its part, and I've also seen some use it as a shield to avoid being called a slut or associated with the term because they're a horny woman and that's not allowed. The unfortunate people who are like this because of trauma really should be addressing their issues instead of covering them up with ace/demi labels.
No. 1905316
>>1905252I knew one or two who saw romance as a trade offer and not an attempt to spend their lives with somebody. Don't they like this person? I don't see a guy on the road and think he'd make a great business partner.
I think media as a whole stinks at conveying romance organically, so kids grow up harboring these views until they end up in relationships. People are complex, messy bundles of chaos. Being friends with actual people is more than enough to signal that life doesn't function that way. But since this generation grew up online, media is all they know and operate with. Miyazaki is a scrote, but his "anime is a mistake" speech really opened my eyes to the amount of incest going on in media. Not just in anime, but in video games, manga, live action, and animation. It's everywhere because no one touches grass anymore, or at least the creatives aren't.
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I sort of knew this was going to happen, despite conservative retards complaining about "muh SJWs". The reason those "SJW" were even hired in the first place is because its way cheaper, as they lacked union quality. However, as soon an even cheaper option presents itself, the soulless media company would take it.
No. 1905368
>>1905323if it's not that, they simp for the most butchest women alive. No inbetweens.
>>1905357Aren't some of these "sjw" troons and troon enablers inserting their bull into anime? not a fan of AI but it's hilarious companies never cared for "woke" politics when money was always the bottomline.
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>>1904614There's a whole amateur fanfic/book binding community out there that prints and binds fanfiction but it's strictly for personal use and they don't sell it/can't offer commissions (picrel is a handbound reylo fanfic). The problem with this is that there are printers on various websites and etsy who are printing and selling popular fics that have been printed on demand and dumbasses on tiktok are promoting these places rather than learning a new skill or just printing it off themselves and putting it in a binder.
There was also a whole incident in the summer? where these fanfic binders decided to hold a charity auction selling off their binds of different fanfics which didn't go over well either. Not only did they not get permission from the authors, it started getting crazy in that some binds were being auctioned off for thousands of dollars because they were done by popular fan binders. I can understand why the authors who are inadvertently involved in these situations want to delete or put their shit behind paywalls. Why should others massively profit off of their work when they don't see a dime? It sucks that greedy ass people have to ruin hobbies like this
No. 1905506
>>1904634>Private school kid traumaThat's a funny way of saying that you were a rich kid.
Also why Scooby Doo? It's a shitty kid's franchise that basically prides itself on being as cheap and repetitive as possible.
No. 1905778
>>1905134>>1905651Honestly so much of these "acespec" label kids are just normal people who have aversion to men but can't admit it because muh sexism. I hope misandry becomes mainstream so fucking bad.
>>1905175This happens too but thats for male "asexuals".
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>>1905948I think they can be funny if it's something really goofy, but when it's either fetish or coom bait like picrel, then It's beyond cringe.
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>>1905981mind you, this is what the character actually looks like.
No. 1905989
>>1905946Yeah, youre definitely right. In the fandom I'm in, I follow a lot of women who are wholesomely schizo obsessed with their favorite (female) characters, and they just make whatever kind of merch like keychains or wall scrolls on a whim because they personally wanted them, and then share the love with other fans by selling extras. There are some girls who cosplay their favorite character and i see them on twitter always just hanging out together in cosplay and having a fun time together playing games, and when I met them in person at a fan event they were just super sweet and hyper excited to talk together with me about their passion despite only just meeting. They were selling a 40 dollar ~50 page cosplay book that was basically their nerdy paragraph rants about the character, as well as irl location photography related to the character that they had personally mapped out and visited, and handwritten details about their self made cosplays. Everything is focused on the love for the source material and the fans' deeply personal connection to it. Nobody is sperging over sexualities or policing other peoples personal interpretations even if theyre super out of character. Western fans could never.
There are definitely issues with Japanese fandom such as artists amassing small fan cults or going insane and wiping their accounts, but nothing compares to the absolute mental illness of western fandoms that I see, and I pray every day that the bullshit of the latter doesnt infect other places.
No. 1906032
>>1905983I hope you're light skinned, thin, and conventionally attractive to east asian standards, or else it's gonna be hell for you, nona.
t. also from a shithole country.
No. 1906040
>>1906026I feel I shouldn't have to explain why
>schizo obsessed with their favorite (female) characters, and they just make whatever kind of merch like keychains or wall scrolls on a whim because they personally wanted themisn't healthy behavior.
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>>1906073Because I grew out of ic, earn money, occasionally touch grass and are also in fandom and art spaces.
>>1906074Kek to me a schizo fan would be something like snapewives or final fantasy house, or St Catherine of Siena.
No. 1906106
>>1906091I don't know, anon. Maybe she shouldn't have used the word meant to describe psychotic people when she just means passionate kek. I don't mean to split hairs like an autist here but there
are fans who make shrines out of earnest. In the west there's people who splurge their income on commissioning art of their characters and bankrupt themselves for it. There's actually psychotic people who get worse by being terminally online. I'm not saying that's what the cosplay book lady is. But there's an unhealthy level of devotion whether it is to 2d or 3d. I can't speak for anon but do touch grass if you think a woman only ever is either a trad thot or a yumefujo sperg (or anything in between those tbh).
No. 1906152
>>1906106Original ayrt, and
>i don't mean to split hairs like an autistsplitting hairs like an autist is what you are doing. Please chill.
Like other people said, these are women who participate in society and still obsess over their hobbies and interests. Of course I'm not suggesting that these women are literally schizophrenic, or that there is some tradthot-yumejo binary that everyone must fall in. If you're the only one drawing those conclusions when everyone else understood what I meant, next time I will personally tailor the speech in my post to your comprehension level.
Besides that, I didnt specifically mean tradthots, just that here in Japan it is still commonly expected that young women become wives and homemakers (see: Christmas cake) and I personally know way too many scrotes who moved here to win a PR card by saddling some poor early 20's Japanese Google Translate girlfriend with a ton of small children and emotionally neglecting them until the inevitable divorce, so fuck me if I'm happy that women can find ways to enjoy a nerdy youth for a bit without men. Kudos to the moms engaging in nerd hobbies too, like another anon said, it's a good way to relieve stress and maintain some identity.
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What’s with the woman-fication (for lack of better word) of male characters these days? At first I thought it was ironic spin off jokes of the moid breed obsession meme with “plap plap get pregnant” but now I dont think its as ironic anymore.
No. 1906337
>>1906336likely a severe case of what
>>1905252 described.
No. 1906352
>>1906336when it comes to shit like mpreg with what you're talking about, some women see pregnancy or a baby as the ultimate expression of love/a relationship/sexual success, so they kind of force it on their male fixations (force as in the uh, obvious biological hurdles kek). It reminds me of how some authors (or fans) see their previously independent female main characters becoming barefoot and pregnant as the ultimate culmination of their arc (first example off the top of my head is Feyre from ACOTAR lol). The gendie nonsense in fandom doesn't help either, as that lot are biologically illiterate and view their headcanons on how sex, bodies, and masculinity/femininity works as an avenue for activism and self-reassurance.
There's probably a lot of other/different motivators to arrive at the same mess, such as what
>>1906342 said, on top of a growing portion of fandom reading and creating way too much omegaverse content (ignoring everything else about it, omegaverse stuff treats babies in quite possibly one of the weirdest and sometimes outright creepy ways I've seen when the main pairing actually has some instead of just leaving it at all the loopy sex), which some are clearly not able to consume without it affecting them.
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>>1906352>It reminds me of how some authors (or fans) see their previously independent female main characters becoming barefoot and pregnant as the ultimate culmination of their arc I sort of have mixed views on this because I have heard this criticism almost exclusively from TIMs, especially regarding an author whose work has been criticized by coomers for over 2 decades now, Christie Golden. She writes mostly about badass female characters whose arcs often end up with them getting married to handsome kind men, having children, and living peaceful lives.(thought this doesn't happen to every female character she's written about) I can understand why certain women wouldn't like being the end goal, but I think if a character has completed their goals, then what more is there to do but have the character 'rest' and finally live their life, other than stretch it out where it devolves into either misery porn or a childish power fantasy.
No. 1906522
>>1906336You know when I see these stupidest joke posts like this get like 10 anons being outraged like "HOW DARE THEY, DON'T THEY SEE HOW MISOGYNIST THIS IS?!?!?!?!" I can't help but be completely mystified by their lack of self awareness in seeing how they've become what they constantly accuse terminally online "twitterfags" of being - taking fiction and fandom stuff too seriously to the point they completely embarrass themselves by their uncontrollable sperging. It's the same for virtue signaling tranny artwork like that ungodly horrible Scooby Doo image here
>>1904634 , any normal person would look at that and laugh their ass off at how ridiculous it is yet some anons can't contain themselves and armchair over how ackshuawwy pwobwematic it is. It makes this thread such a drag to read when I know I'm in the company of a bunch of autistic kids acting in bad faith and looking for things to get angry over. Like I have no idea how people justifiably moralfag about how women are always put under the microscope for whatever they do (absolutely true) yet go to fucking war over the most nonsensical, insignificant things like a female fan calling a male character babygirl or something, thoroughly oblivious to the irony. Truly boggles the mind. We need to bring back the talk about Korean gachacels so they can direct their anger at something worth getting mad about.
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>>1906451Maybe it's naive, but I want to believe they genuinely want to write gnc women and men. I'm sure it's women and girls posting that "I'll impregnate my husbando" thing. They just don't have the vocab and imagination to think of subverting status quo without feminization of their male object lel.
No. 1906551
>>1906471A lot of omegaverse/soulbond stuff (especially if it includes smut) is all about falling madly, feverishly in insta-love with someone who is also experiencing the same. If it is a longer story and intended as a slow-burn, smut will often still happen throughout with the slow-burn being the characters finally saying 'I love you' or some shit that gets padded out by melodrama. An interesting thing about omegaverse and the like is that sex is arguably more 'dangerous' than in non-abo, as at least one party is at an extreme risk of pregnancy, is out of their mind and completely pliant, and casual sex has the potential to leave a couple permanently bound to one another or even a near thrall to the alpha/dominant of the pair. The relationship part is often pretty certain/basically fate, with each character having a perfect person out there for them which obviously means a perfect romance (I get the fantasy, I do, I just think it's an interesting contrast in context).
(I find omegaverse interesting to observe because horny-motivated worldbuilding sperging can get wild- have a few personal cows that write screeds about their elaborate alt dynamics and biology that still boils down to the standard a/o or a/b/o- and it's essentially got its own fandom of itself, which I can't really think of any other examples of rn. Sorry for the spergout, watching the whole niche genre develop over the last decade or so has been interesting imo)
'Slow-burn' is also starting to lose it's meaning, as I've seen it more and more used to describe romance books where the main couple doesn't bang until the last quarter of the story, which is… slow, I guess, if you're used to stories where the smut comes in by chapter 5 kek.
No. 1906578
>>1906573They are mammals.
>>1906565They just carry the eggs, they don't actually get preggo.
No. 1906582
>>1906561ayrt and you'd think so, but I think these people are so lost in the fantastical shit they've world-built that they can't see the forest for the trees. Omegaverse might as well be about aliens with human faces, the understanding of biology is so bad. Doesn't help that it's a favourite of gendies, since it's basically both wish fulfilment for them and plays directly into a lot of their issues.
>>1906565Seahorses are very interesting, but the female does still produce the eggs before depositing them into the male to be fertilised and brooded/gestated, so as ass-backward as their system can seem it's still rooted in the same gamete production 'rules' as other gonochoric organisms.
No. 1906614
>>1906551I agree with your analysis. Not particularly into abo myself, but I can see why it’s popular and how this reflects unrealistic media depictions of love and sex. It’s wish fulfillment for women, as
>>1906603 said. I think it’s so mainstream now though, it’s hard to argue that it’s some kind of fringe kink only loser women engage with
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>>1906705I don't know about that, but I have occasionally looked into the old star-trek fandom and it's genuinely fascinating to read up about, it was the first true fandom, everything in western fandom can trace it's self back to star trek, from what I understand the appeal of star trek was an entire universe where rationalism, equality, diversity and inclusion won out in the end, it attracted a lot of people with that message, people who believed in those things and wanted a better world.
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Regarding a previous discussion in the previous threat about how can deeply attached to a character from a form of media without actually engaging with the original material (such as not watching the show or reading the books). I think I somewhat understand this phenomenon and where it comes. The less we know about something, the more we can project our own ideals onto it. For example, I sometimes fantasize about a guy I knew in high school who was a friend of a friend. I didn't know much about him, except that he was tall, cute and once saw him smoke a cigarette, which made him seem more mature to me at the time. I would imagine our life together and the experiences he had, even though I have no idea where he is now, how much he's changed physically or if holds batshit political views. but my limited image of him keeps me almost perpetually infatuated with him. I suspect that if I knew more about him, my idealized image would likely crumble and the infatuation would stop and so the same concept applies.
No. 1906778
>>1906748I swear this kind of thing just didn't exist or was an extreme niche 10+ years ago. In 2008 you were basically kicked out if it came to light that you're snooping around the fandom making stupid takes without ever watching or reading the source material, now it's so far normalized that it's you who's considered the creepy nerd for actually being invested in something. I can't help but think that this is another issue derived from online fandom spaces being commodified and gentrified. In your picrel the person even admits in the tags that "this is an oc at this point" which it absolutely is. It's just an OC riding the fame of an established property and exploiting its visibility to farm clout. Media has just been reduced to surface level aesthetics instead of stories and experiences because
everything needs to be able to be used as grounds for self-insertation and other egocentric purposes.
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>>1906748I was thinking about this today but in the context of ships and satusugo. JJK gives some context about how their friendship broke down and the fandom goes wild and starts filling in the blanks or projecting.
It's really funny seeing people being adamant about how they're romantic when even the mangaka himself doesn't understand where the shipping is coming from.
Anyway you see this whole phenomenon in JJK because admittedly it doesn't have much going for it so you can project your ideas of the characters more easily, the fandom really does make the show worthwhile.
>>1906778I feel the start of normalising this fan behaviour started with comics first (maybe bands actually) from a good place (you're still a fan even if you didn't read Batman's 80's run during 2010 or something) but people have been pushing the limit for it. Same for for video games on tumblr with respect to playing the game and watching playthroughs, which eventually get stretched into seeing tumblr OOC discussions.
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>>1906424Obviously the original is much more wholesome.
There's a similar meme where the original was edited to be like "I want him to suck on my dick" or something and it went viral. I think it was patient 0
No. 1906846
>>1906657I know for a fact that most of it now comes from tiktok stealing 4chan lingo.
Everything about mewing, mogging, even the gym obsessed culture is from 4chan.
A few months pass and it goes makes rounds on instagram first on edgy accounts then more mainstream normie stuff.
No. 1906938
>>1906778The industry enabled these retarded takes. How many shitty adaptations did we get the past years? They would change the story, the appearance and the personality of a character, but they were still wearing the same outfit and had the same name, so I guess it's the same character, right?
While most of the fandom was usually very critical to adaptations, people who didn't care for the original enjoyed the adaptations and suddenly joined the fandom. Even if they were completely different. It got progressively worse, because so many pieces of media are written by different people now, so they can change the narrative and personality of the characters any time and that becomes canon. Everything nowadays has a spinoff, a sequel or an adaptation. While I enjoyed exploring the "what ifs" in the fandom, but we knew we were deviating from canon. I feel we lost the limit on how much we can distort and adapt or ignore the original content, to te point the original content became just a faint inspiration. Maybe we dont see as many ocs, because it's just a reflection on the shitty quality of the media we have today.
No. 1906954
>>1906938> They would change the story, the appearance and the personality of a character, but they were still wearing the same outfit and had the same name, so I guess it's the same character, right?In all fairness that's only a thing in westoid fandoms and media for a reason. Complaining about changes in adaptations got you mocked. Overtime because studios pushed for diversity that way instead of creating original IPs you also got accused of being racist on top of caring too much.
With respect to comics I can understand deviating a bit because certain characters have had a lot of different writers but some characters have remained pretty consistent over the years or have a specific beloved version, but studios just did their own thing anyway with either great success or resulting in isolating fans.
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This might sound like a strange question, but why do many wokies seem actually unable to accept the fact that white people can get tans? I've noticed this when people discuss fictional characters who are described as having tanned skin (because they work outdoors), and then assume they are "POC". For example, This has become a trend with Katniss Everdeen recently and I saw this reaction to the girl from the 'distracted boyfriend' meme, who had gotten a tan over the years, and Americans couldn't understand how that happened.
No. 1907283
>>1906835I just finished JJK and tbh there is fujobait between these two. If the mangaka doesn't get why they're a popular pairing then it must come from the anime director(s) and the guys who wrote the lyrics for the opening and ending songs. Kind of like the Get Backers anime has even more fujobait than the manga, the character designer shipped the main guys together iirc. The third opening is straight up a love song about youth and nostalgia or some shit and I just found out that the writer/singer wrote the lyrics from Gojo's point of view about Geto. The movie has the final scene between these two retards plagiarizing a scene from X1999 between a canon gay pairing. I think MAPPA is still salty that they didn't make that much money from YoI because of some contract fuckery but they know who was spending a shit ton of money on BDs and merchs on that series so they're actively trying to attract the fujo audience again.
Me being a fujo aside before watching the anime I thought satosugu was going to be a pairing between two random hot guys who happen to share a backstory so I was surprised there was more than that to them.
No. 1907310
>>1907234I haven’t read the books in ages but Katniss was described as having olive skin. I don’t picture a white person tan when I hear olive, I pictured her having a lighter brown skin personally. This isn’t a recent thing, your picture is probably over 10 years old, the look of Katniss in the movies was a bit of an issue with some fans because she’s described pretty racially ambiguous in the books from what I remember.
>gotten a tan over the years, and Americans couldn't understand how that happenedWeird kek where I’m from tanning has always been a beauty trend and some people can naturally get pretty dark so that’s not all Americans. Just very loud, probably young ones who would have a stroke if they went to different parts of the country.
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>>1907310I wanted to post another recent image that had gotten really popular(couldn't find it), obviously referencing Hunger Games, It was basically a re-draw of picrel featuring Katniss.
No. 1907455
>>1907342Nta but I remember back in the 2010s there were posts shitting themselves over drawing spaniard characters blonde or "white washing" them (I remember this with some Tulio and Miguel fanart specifically), things have definitely changed since then though, I think part of it is a bigger presence of black users active in social media. Those retard takes came from sheltered white Tumblr milennials.
>>1907419Almost every fandom I've had interest in has been infested with under 25 zoomers, they're hard to avoid. Even the ones hitting that age have the terminally online mentality of that generation, look at people like Pixielocks for example who aren't that young anymore and yet still roleplaying autism and being ~qweer~
Sure, the the more obnoxious but I also believe it's a generational thing for Gen Z to obsess over identity politics, and Gen Z is starting to age into their 30s at this point. It makes sense that the internet will be filled with these kinds of people as Milennials age out of fandoms.
No. 1907541
>>1907275Ayrt, there a huge visual difference between a Northern European and a Southern European that Americans mentally can not grasp. Romanians are certainly white, yes, but the aesthetic differences between a Southern European (olive/dark/tan skin, brown eyes, dark hair) and the American concept of a white character (aryan blonde milky white with blue or green eyes and 0 cultural background) is a world apart from Eachother. Having a white character with tan skin doesn't even compute to these people because tan immediately signifies
POC to them
No. 1907553
>>1907467>insisting a character is white and that every other interpretation is "woke" and wrong is just retarded and does actually come off as racist and a little crazy.Have you ever considered maybe, just
maybe, not everyone who feels weird about this isn't a seething racist? Harry Potter was a white bitch they can't just roll out a Japanese guy for the movies and say "actually the book just said he was pale with black hair they never said he was white". It's less about people chimping because of brown people being present It's about people just being so fatigued by this weirs insistence that every protagonist has to be a Liza Koshy quirky brown woman to deliver commentary
No. 1907860
>>1907665>and feeling "fatigued" with ethnicities other than white in media is silly and childishThoroughly examine the non-white characters being peddled at people right now and actually think about what you're saying. Most mainstream
POC characters are the same flavour of annoying sarcastic nlog shoehorned into things, they're not well written and they have no depth. You're calling people childish for being vocally bored of the same copy and paste character being shat at them over and over again kek
No. 1907963
>>1907860>annoying sarcastic nlog shoehorned into things, they're not well written and they have no depththat's all female characters, all the time. you're just reaching hard for criticisms that could be applied to any female character regardless of ethnicity, because you have no argument against non-white characters in media other than "but mommy i don't
want to see the brown people anymore!"
No. 1908051
>>1907321maybe this anon meant hundreds of years ago kek
>>1907419some of the most annoying gendies i encountered were 25-30 year olds, i don't hang out in fandoms popular with teens.
No. 1908127
>>1907963Literally not once did I say I was completely averse to brown or
POC characters, the problem is that the
POC and brown characters that are being provided are complete ass. I can pick out multiple examples on non nlog sarcastic shallow characters in modern media but once they're
POC or brown they are purposefully written as a vessel for the author to preach through. I'm sorry that nobody wants to sit through another movie/book/TV show where they get preached at by a badly written boring character, but go off I guess
No. 1908166
>>1908127And plenty of white characters suffer through this, too. Let's be honest, we've seen how fandom will take the most bland, stale bread white boy and give him an entire backstory and personality unrelated to canon. Fandom has plenty of imagination and empathy when it comes to their white faves, yet it's the
POC characters that have to be "good and have depth" for you to give a shit about them or be valuable to the story.
No. 1908172
>>1908149>or have gone to the opposite extreme of gendie anti shippers and spend all their free time talking about how shipping incest is kweer activism or whatever.God I fucking hate that shit. I honestly don’t give a fuck if people like “
problematic” content most of the time, women aren’t the ones out there committing sex crimes so I really couldn’t care less if they like an age gap or incest ship here and there. But they will never fucking shut up about it, they have to make their whole personality revolve around how
edgy they are for wanting to see two brothers buttfuck each other and how totes oppressed they are for writing porno fanfics. Part of me thinks people shouldn’t be harassed over fiction when fandoms overreact to any minor aggression, but when people show their whole ass drawing shit like that one TiF drawing shota torture amputee porn I can’t help but think they have the zoomer hatemob coming.
No. 1908210
>>1907283Nta but
>mappaThey do have tons of fujobait in their works it's crazy. They did it with AOT the final season with the infamous table scene and Armin, and they made Floch extra hot for the shipping with either Jean or Eren and for fangirls in general, and they released merch where Floch is holding Eren's jacket as his most important possession.
No. 1908222
>>1908172tbh I think the whole pro/anti thing being so black and white is why the fans of proship stuff are like that. Almost every fandom has that one ~
problematic~ ship where if you like it, you're blacklisted by the rest of the fandom and forced to hang out with the kink freaks. I don't like shota torture amputee shit but that person would be more likely to talk to me than anyone else in the fandom because I ship a character that's 16 or like an incest ship. I'm not oppressed for my taste or anything, don't think there's anything wrong with not liking it, but I wish people could just be more normal on both ends of the pro/anti shit kek. I really hate how "proship" encompasses everything from edgy fanfic TiFs to actual pedo moids making photorealistic 3d loli porn
No. 1908266
>>1908172I think part of it is the more hate you get for something, the more you counterreact. It's why so many of the people who like
problematic ships and kinks are the most edgy try hards in the fandom. They think they're being oppressed, so they become louder and more obnoxious, even encouraging the hatred while simultaneously trying to censor it.
No. 1908311
>>1908222"
Problematic ship" is too wide of an umbrella in general. There's content that's technically unethical in real life but still in mainstream media, like teacher/student or younger woman/older man. Things like Twilight or Game of Thrones would technically be "
problematic content" even if most normies don't blink an eye at it. When I was in fandom during the 2000s things like shipping teenagers or incest wasn't callout-worthy and a matter of "don't like, don't read". I always thought "
problematic ship" was for noncon or characters under 16 until I saw things like Sheith or Kaeluc labeled that.
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>>1906522>>1906559>>1908474Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe there is something to be said about how a popular way to allegedly sexualize men is to use terms that are usually used for women, like the whole "get pregnant" thing and of course the "big bara tiddies"? We all know that men's chests don't work that way. I would assume that most people who make these memes are likely virgins or have only been with overweight men and TIFs. In my opinion, it doesn't sexualize men because none of these physical traits are found in most men. Regardless of her many issues and beliefs, someone like Ayn Rand could sexualize men better without any issues
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>>1908499In her most famous work(The Fountainhead) Ayn Rand literally wrote her self insert character having steamy sex with with her idealized husbando i.e a hot capitalist dude.
the actual lines
>"I pay you big money for one hour of fixing my chimney. Yes, it has only a little scratch and I did it on purpose>Also I am alone and defenseless, I wonder what would happen">"Yes, mister Roark, I am glad we understood each other, now if you want to keep your job come to my place once a week to fix my chimney again and I would pay you a lot"Ayn Rand wrote a book about genius architect who has a perfect body, Then self-inserts as a strong woman who harasses him and uses him like a whore, IRL she did have an affair with a young psychology student 25 years her junior(While she was married to another man)
No. 1908537
>>1908534>childish term infantilizes peoplei dont care if men get infantilized
>men say it to be weirdi dont care what men think
it will never be as retarded as calling male pecs boobies because you are uncomfortable sexualizing men
No. 1908578
>>1908555Titties is OUR objectifying term. Only women should be pointed out as big bouncing boobies.
Objectifying a man like that? Sounds a bit gay ngl. They should be nonexistent, like flat boards.
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i keep seeing posts like this but never any actual examples of it happening. one or two people having ocs where the butch has darker skin and the white one is very feminine is not enough to call something a racist trend, not to mention black and brown butches exist irl
No. 1908589
>>1908585>when compared to womenWhen described with sexual terms that are usually used to onjectify a woman's breasts.
Who calls breasts "titties" in a nonsexual way?
No. 1908590
>>1904787>>1904743>>1904804There is problems with their weird concept of 'identity', but primarily it's because it makes you a
victim and proudly displaying that secures your place in the hierarchy, so it's often a requirement.
No. 1908596
>>1908591Connecting sexualizing terms as only to do with women sexualizes women more than having it describe both.
Anything can set men off, pecs, thighs, tummies just as much. So personally, I don't care what men think.
No. 1908614
>>1908601I use pecs too but now it's very annoying to see the absolute autism over it.
Maybe it's because I refused to ever call my breasts titties to begin with, that I don't immediately think "woman are the ones with titties".
No. 1908650
>>1908630The "it's misogyny/gay moid brained(?)/ tranny coded to take titties away from being a woman word" needs to touch grass as much, tbf.
Just say the word sounds gross or its shit or pecs are gross and be done with it instead of both sides dragging "I'm right because I'm the feminist way". It's pathetic.
No. 1908670
>>1908664No I just saw all of this, I haven't viewed this for "hours" but im telling you that you are a
triggered psychotic bitch because men's chests have been referred to casually as titties for longer than I can remember.
No. 1908685
>>1908674>I have never heard mens pecs get refereed as titties except for moids degrading fat moidsWe can read back the thread so why lie?
You have nonstopped blabbered on about seething how its being used by "tifs" which at this point, I wouldn't be surprised would count literally any women.
No. 1908694
>>1908685literally who but tifs calls men pecs boobs its extremely mentally ill modern twitter slang this didnt happen in the pre 2014 internet when women existed in fandom separated from moids and their degeneracy
>>1908689i mean all of you have been trying to justify how calling men pecs boobs is not misogynistic at all!1! and then all you examples are other men using ''titties'' to degrade fat moids. Still none of you can justify why using 'boobs/tits' is better than just calling them pecs, which proves my point kek
No. 1908710
>>1908709No you're like a dog with rabies biting at anyone who comes near you. Your level of delusion is impossible to reason with. You will remain a whingy
victim all of your life. Please go find joy in something lol you're going to get Parkinsons disease and dementia simultaneously by age 45.
No. 1908717
>>1908709>All those zoomer pickme tifs.Can you speak without zoomer tif word salads?
>>1908711Was on team pecs but I kneel. Peccies it is. Guess we can compromise.
No. 1908724
>>1908716Calling pecs boobs gives men a victory somehow?
Have you done this before and fell on top of a tranny or sonething?
No. 1908725
>>1908718>barakek ofcourse
>>1908717my bad, all those women born between 1997 and 2009 transexual men who are too afraid of their own sexuality and call male pecs boobies are retarded. Is that better for you?
(infighting) No. 1908739
>>1908730You tell me what's wrong with people neutralizing a word commonly used to sexualize women? Also, men
do have breast tissue so there's nothing even anatomically incorrect about using the word on them
No. 1908751
>>1908750It's funny how all the losers come out of their lonely caves like roaches to make fun of us roided muscle-crackhead enjoyers.
I'm feeding my pig carcinogenic protein dust by the spoonful and he let's me punch him in the jaw because he's too poor to buy his own MEGA BIG-BOY PROTEIN EXTRAVAGANZA CHUM BUCKET from Decathlon. I don't have to worry about when to dump him because his heart will give up on him before I do.
You will be buying diapers for skinnyfat faggot with your own retirement money in a couple decades but MUSCLEPIG will already be six foot under & STILL mogging your faggot even as a skeleton.
Imagine being too scared to drop kick your Nigel becuase he might fucking die. Couldn't be me! Mine is already dying. A heart attack wouldn't be out of the ordinary in an autopsy situation.
Bucktooth Becky's stay seething over the PIG-PUNCHING Stacy. #mindset
No. 1908754
>>1908741I think titties should exist as a word, just not only as a way to sexualize only female breasts.
I think pussy should never be used for anything.
No. 1908757
>>1908751you got nothing original to say? only an old copypasta and reaping the same thing i say like a child throwing a temper tantrum?
>>1908753how is that a false equivalent? calling moids pecs boobs and moids asshole boypussy are literally the same. But i guess when moids do it instead of tifs its ''not based'' and ''bad, actually''
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>>1908755She cant read. She is typing from the dim light inside of her hole and she doesn't have much time left
No. 1908768
>>1908765Not a single person has called it based. You are projecting. The only one being laughed at is
you but I have a feeling you are used to that
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No. 1908783
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The most entertaining shit I've seen recently was fujoshi and male shonentards arguing over whether Gojo/Geto are an actual thing or not. I thought it would be the same as usual, fujoshi claiming that their non-canon but fun favorite pairing is actually canon or implied or better than the canon ones, and guys saying they're delusional fake fans, but it ended up with the straight powerlevel obsessed guys saying actually they would NEVER act like these two with their friends, or arguing over who's the seme and who's the uke and over how the characters could use their powers to do inappropriate shit to each other like mpreg, etc. I wish dumb things like this would happen more often.
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Post tatas, ladies(derailing)
No. 1908800
>>1908792I did answer your question
>>1908739 you just decided you want a feminist manifesto from us to justify the use of one measly word
No. 1908806
>>1908799You did insult people though?
Could you not tell that some of the stuff you said can be seen as a slight?
No. 1908807
>>1908798all they have done is call me retarded and post shitty memes none of them have answered my super simple question
>>1908800and i disproved it because i studied anatomy though, pecs arent the same as breast tissue so it makes no sense. I also made a comparison to men 'neutralizing' boypussy but you dont seem to have a real answer despite being the same.
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>>1908807I wasn't talking about pecs. They literally have breast tissue
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topic is too long, gonna wait for the movie.
No. 1908835
>>1908829they have pecs not tits though. A flat woman still has boobs, a flat moid doesnt have ''boobs''.
>>1908831so it is indeed terminally online irony poisoning?
No. 1908848
>>1908826i's a little hahahehe kakakiki joke. i didn't even come from twitter like what kek. i'm autistic and even i can tell. there's no "origin" because people have said that since god knows when
>inb4 well i've never seen that happen before internet memesthat would be a personal issue
No. 1908853
>>1908837You see, here you are calling it a "terminally online coomer meme"
This is implying that people who use the term are terminally online coomers, right?
People that use the term are here, we can agree with that, yes?
You are calling them terminally online coomers.
This can be seen as an insult.
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>>1907314Fair, that picture would be pretty retarded to remake with Katniss because there is no “official” version of her. The book just states she’s olive skinned and that can be interpreted way differently by people. The original of that is probably referencing Marina from the splatoon games. That exact scenario of the plush happened to her. Twitter users water down whitewashing but I think this is probably the least exaggerated case that’s actually happened IMO. But I don’t think that some merchandise or fanart that whitewashes characters is as much of a sin that it’s made out to be. It’s just 1 plush toy, it’s not the same as if suddenly in a new game Marina’s skin was that light. People want to be so upset they’ll call anything whitewashing like when someone was drawing the Indian character from Spider verse in “white people clothing” or Polynesian Star Wars characters having blonde hair which happens naturally in real life.
No. 1908875
>>1908858This is a site that can be accessed by more than two people.
Just like you can use it, someone posting Sugimoto can also use it. That doesn't mean that the person posting Sugimoto is you or me though. It's tricky, but does it make sense?
>Also a "lol u mad" right after your earlier weepy "but I didn' insult nobody" No. 1908881
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>>1908783I find it funny when moids argue over shipping as if it's powerscaling autism like that kek their brains are really too simple. I've been watching Bravern with some mecha fans and it's been really fun to talk about it with non-fujos like that. That show is very overtly gay though so I guess it's a bit different
and obviously bravern is the uke No. 1908888
>>1908883goodbye sweet
nonny might your ban be lenghty
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>>1908887ngl the show's a bit bara for my taste but smith is still pretty cute. Also I love this art because I immediately saw the resemblance too kek
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>>1908901I want to squeeze them so bad…
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>>1908829retarded comparison, cause women who are "flat" still have breasts that function like breasts.
No. 1908916
>>1908881I need to watch that series soon, it looks fun. This reminds me of how Samurai Flamenco changed genres every 5 episodes and
got super fucking gay in a plot relevant way that cannot be ignored at the end of the story.
No. 1908945
>>1908566Not about your titscourse, but
I hate with passion when male attractiveness is being called gay, like every time when men are good looking or sexy it is automatically homosexual
I hate retarded moids who can’t possibly comprehend the concept of other people - as if there are heterosexual women out there and the world is not revolving around male perception of sexuality wow
And women are doing that too btw: they will call any erotically presented man “gay”, fucking why
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>>1908945The weirdest part about that is how recent it is. Up until the 1970s, it was understood that men had to dress well and maintain themselves to be considered attractive. A fit young male was always considered the peak of masculinity, not some 40-year-old steroid gym freak or some fat hairy goblin looking moid.
No. 1908993
>>1908966sauce on this cutie
nonnie??
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Funniest thing is seeing how much tumblr hates Vivzie's shows. I have a feeling that if Viv was a man tumblr wouldn't have such a negative response to her shows.
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>>1906336I know this phenomena gets every other
nonnie and their nan pissed as shit but as a regular old non-troon fujo, I actually love this shit. The memes can get annoying but I find the core idea of men getting fucked and objectified by other men the way men view women (as sex objects) to be hot. Is it this a perfectly feminist fetish? Lol, not really. Is it kind of funny and does it piss off moids in fandom? Yes. Does it get me off? Double yes. So, I don’t really care what anyone has to say about it.
The only downside is that it’s only funny when normal fujo women do it. Fujotroons using the ‘men pregnant’ meme is just sad and pathetic to watch, for obvious reasons. [Re: I can still be a manly faggot with a uterus! This isn’t cope, I swear!]
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>>1908586It is common.
Picrel isn't butch but takes on the "tough" persona masc/butch OCs basically have.
No. 1909110
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>>1909092That's so fucking petty and hilarious kek. There's so many issues in the show but it's like this person never watched an episode beyond compilations on youtube. I like to imagine these are frustrated oc artists who are dead envious about viv's opportunity.
No. 1909121
>>1909106Nta but I'd say that's just a side effect of Japanese beauty stereotypes manifesting in their art (and westerners who grew up on anime subconsciously recreating them). Traditional femininity being associated with being small dainty and pale (à la Yamato Nadeshiko) while masculinity with being taller and stronger (obviously) and being tan. Same reason why tomboys in Japanese media are all sporty, some-what muscular and tanned. And of course they apply those gender stereotypes to butch/femme lesbian relationships because they can't help it.
It's bizarre because in the west being darker skinned (as in tanned) is actually associated with more traditional feminity especially when paired with unnatural blonde hair. Women in media being pale are often associated with being a shut-in and having nerdy hobbies.
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>>1909102Real and based. That one nona in unpopular opinions was right when she said that it's only cringe when you self-insert as bottom instead of inserting as top (or not at all).
>>1909110I mean, they can still make their own show or comic if they think their ideas are so much more interesting and deep but the fact that OP only posts ugly scribbles and not even frequently tells me all I need to know kek. The ones that do watch and obsess over Viv's shows while considering themselves "critical" of it are even more annoying though. They are always arguing over such pointless shit in this super serious tone
No. 1909173
>>1909120Kek, you're so
valid, nona. Apparently Charlie and Lucifer are meant to look like porcelain dolls for some reason? But also some say charlie's meant to be a goat so I don't know.
No. 1909178
>>1909121What do you consider "traditional" femininity in the west? Having tan skin is associated with more leisure time or access to the beach, but I don't think it's considered "traditional" in most places in the west.
Even then, the darker the tan, the worst the stereotypes about the woman gets, mainly of the sexualized, promiscuous variety.
No. 1909196
>>1909178>>1909178Traditional is perhaps not the right word, but definitely stereotype, especially when it comes to pop culture and media (and by consequence, fandom). Most current millennial/gen Z/gen X westerners who grew up on TV and Barbie and with other intensified interactions with pop culture probably see the blonde, tanned, pink-wearing makeup-caked female character as a symbol of femininity (though a sexualized on). This is contrasted with east-asian and more specifically japanese society where having darker skinned is considered un-feminine (and thus where reactionary subcultures such as gyaru exist).
As an aside, is there really a pop culture/fandom stereotype of femininity that isn't sexualized in the west? Japan has its sexualized gacha women but also its "submissive barefeet and pregnant waifu" stereotypes to choose from. I guess the 2010s badass warrior Mary Sue character would be one.
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>>1908586I hate the way the OP worded this because now there are people thinking the issue is butches being dark skinned kek, when really the problem is how darker women have been portrayed in lesbian art in general, even when they aren't 'butch'.
>i keep seeing posts like this but never any actual examples of it happeningSorry for the huge schizo compilation but it is a thing. I've been seeing similar complaints going around since 2014.
If you pay attention to lesbian art that has darker women, you start to notice certain trends. The people complaining likely noticed it enough times that it started feeling more like a pattern. If there's a darker woman, she's gotta be the more masculine one, or huge/muscular, or animal-like, or the protector, or… etc etc. And I don't necessarily want the opposite of this trope either. There are some people who obviously do that as a reaction to picrel, and they're the type to be afraid of offending people, so the art/story ends up being boring/bland/passionless with the feminine black/brown girl getting the most blandly 'nice' personality possible. I just want more genuine variety with couples with black and brown girls in lesbian art.
Note, I am not saying all this art in picrel is bad. I think a couple are cute and some are just boring. I just compiled these to show how there's a lot of it, and there's more beyond this but I only included popular art/art by popular creators I could remember, all lesbian/bi or gendie women btw.
There are also lesbian artists who like to draw couples like Pharah/Mercy and Suletta/Miorine where Pharah and Suletta are way more exaggeratedly huge and masculine or hell, futas (in which case I don't consider those artists "lesbians" at all).
The art I do particularly hate are ones where the brown/black woman is exaggeratedly huge/muscular next to a petite lily white girl, and the one where the white artist obviously has a fetish for being dommed by black women. Also the "barsheniqua" shit with a character from a popular wokie lesbian vn lol.
No. 1909223
>>1909102same, this is partially why i like
traps so much. partially because i'm bi, partially because they do piss men off.
No. 1909243
>>1909235I could see it with reverse traps.
There should be more elegant happy to dress as they like and zero "urgh if only I looked good in a dress waah" type.
No. 1909246
>>1909235>>1909237as a content creator, i often get angry men in my notifs telling me to just make girls. i've also had people swipe my content and edit them into being girls. it's popular yes but plenty of dudes also hate them
>>1909243nah from my experience reverse traps are (unfortunately) very popular with males. see kino, the precure girl, rika, etc. they only get hate if they're sakura ogami tier
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>>1909246Really? I saw complaints being annoyed at pic related's anime announcement for not having the female leads mend their ways and get their pants wearing cured by the male leads.
No. 1909264
>>1909251i'm just speaking from my own experiences, anon. i'm also not sure how what you've posted negates/disproves anything i've said
>>1909256bit ironic that you'd mention
king as if she doesn't have a shitton of porn/male fans. also no, i meant "draw boy call girl" characters like what this anon
>>1909251 posted kek. men seem to like the contrast between the masculine clothing and the female body/the idea that a woman's dressing butch but secretly hiding massive cans
No. 1909287
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>>1909164>>1909102>>1909193This isn't about fetishizing men, though. This is specifically about finding the whole 'get pregnant' disgusting, cause no man will ever get pregnant. Every meme that frames a male character getting pregnant as degrading, it's not actually fetishizing or demeaning men in any capacity, because that trait is solely found in women, and yes it of course gives TIFs delusion about getting pregnant and being true and honest men as well.
No. 1909298
>>1909277I am speaking from experience from talking to
4chan scrotes, "confirmed female" really is all some of them need. They get off on the idea of a reverse trap secretly having huge tits or secretly enjoying feminine things and will only show that side to (You).
No. 1909319
>>1909251>>1909259I tried reading and so far it’s pretty cute but man I couldn’t help but ship the cross-dressing girls with each other instead lol, I’m more into their chemistry but maybe it’s because I’m a (butch) lesbian. I wish I could find more yuri with girls that look like this and with art this nice.
I find the dudes annoying with how often they keep going “OH NO AM I GAY/BI FOR FINDING THIS GIRL CUTE???” kek I’m only 12 chapters in though so maybe they chill out eventually. The interactions between the tan girl and the guy she’s paired with are cute though.
No. 1909328
>>1909326Sorry
nonny next time will be yours just let us have this one for once i am so tired of shitty meek girly fmc
No. 1909339
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>>1909309Re:Zero has a gnc woman.
They're meant to be a gnc couple.
No. 1909352
>>1909340I'm just saying that's how it's written, its unfortunate about the art but it is what it is. I dislike the art so much it's such a bad fit, my god. Why would you choose an artist who can't draw gore???
Anyway, her implied more masculine appearance and character is actually kind of important, but it's a bit weird.
One of the female leads, Rem, also crossdresses.
No. 1909360
>>1909357I'm sure they are, but this is whataboutism, the overwhelmingly majority of people think men getting pregnant is weird, why is that such a
triggering concept for you.
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>>1909388>it's not really surprising that men love reverse trapsThey don't. Only women do. Hardly seen any scrotes that simp for Rika, Yuu Kashima, Haruhi Fujioka or Haruka Tenou but only big ass titty tomboys and short hair women like Ryuko Matoi or Tracer. More so if they feminized her in the male gaze having her in a skirt/dress with revealing skin and emphasis on the breasts to show her vulnerability like Tsugumi Seishirou. If you showed a reverse trap to a moid that look like straight out of a bl/yaoi or otome game they be turned off by it unless she gets sexualized in the moid gaze.
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>>1909216Anon I need the name of this artist pronto
No. 1909518
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>>1909511You don't have to get it kek
>>1909517Pretty sure that's 82PIGEON
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>>1909516Remember when Rika won the Japanese yumejoshi contest twice in a row and left Gojo and Geto at the second and third place behind her this year? That was hilarious.
No. 1909554
>>1909216>The art I do particularly hate are ones where the brown/black woman is exaggeratedly huge/muscular next to a petite lily white girl, and the one where the white artist obviously has a fetish for being dommed by black women.I've started to notice this too in both original and fanart femslash art. I think the real issue is that the darker skinned woman is always drawn more masculine and sexually dominant, not the fact that it's an interracial couple. (Since that's what the OP tweet made it sound like.) And how in spicy straight smut the masculine one is given a dick and they have straight sex, they literally can't imagine sex that doesn't involve a penis at all. If a female character isn't hyperfeminine she's basically treated as basically a man, I saw some anons point out that Arlecchino from Genshin is literally a feminine woman and not GNC at all, but I've noticed she's gotten the "he/him butch" and portrayed with a penis treatment.
>>1909511It's just a dom/sub thing.
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>>1909554Speaking of this trope and Genshin, one of the prolific f/f ships i.e. Beidou and Ningguang often draw Beidou with brown skin despite them both being pale skinned in the game, but of course the strong rough&tumble one has to be brown I guess.
>If a female character isn't hyperfeminine she's basically treated as basically a manKek as was proven here
>>1909339 No. 1909628
>>1909575I've noticed that as well, but for some reason it doesn't happen nearly as often with Jean x Lisa or Eula x Amber for example. Maybe they do that without considering any implications because they simply want to change the skintones for the sake of it, but light hair just won't look as natural with another one and changing the haircolor as well would make the design too difficult to recognize or something?
>>1909610Tbf Wrio had a darker tone in the first concept artwork but it's weird how people then also go out of their way to add stubble and other bodyhair and make him look generally unkempt when that doesn't fit his personality at all.
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>>1909386I agree. Traits that are inherently tied to women getting sexualized in fandom spaces is an interesting topic but I find it funny that some anons ITT think mpreg is a TIF fantasy when it has been popular among fujos since the 1970s/1980s.
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i love how they keep on being tone deaf, its kind of endearing
No. 1909930
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internalized misogyny is a killer. fake lesbians obsessed with men policing other women over their sexual preferences because they truly believe their shonen anime boy is supposed to be canon gay is wild. The teen girls sending death threats to kaira x sora shippers for getting in the way of their yaoi ship didn't go away, now they just police you with their badge of honor in homosexual studies even tho they would gag at the idea of actually touching another woman in the flesh
No. 1910023
>>1909979Same sex shippers already get to eat shit all the time and everyone tells them their ship will never be canon or even a
valid ship since heterosexuality is considered the set default across the board unless otherwise stated, and even then they are screamed at for """sexualizing friendships""" if they ship a clearly implied romantic same sex couple. Hetshippers cry, scream and throw up making endless twitter threads about heterophobia (or "bi erasure" as they call it now) and being "bullied by the alphabet people" like a bunch of crybabies the moment someone says their ship is garbage. No, they need to be bullied way more than they are now.
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>>1909930>>1909968Every single weebshit has at least one male character that gets the town bicycle treatment. In JJK, it is Gojo, Genshit has Childe, and so on. It's honestly entertaining to see shippers argue among themselves over which ship makes more sense.
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>>1910141She's my personal cow and has been posted here a few times.
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>>1909913they liked magical baby acquisition, honestly. although if you really want to look, there is a LOT of mpreg BL. one of the most popular shoujo manga of old (patalliro) had mpreg as well. def not just a western fujo thing.
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>>1910027>>1909820>>1909813This is a whole other topic, but fandom and troonism have unironically convinced us that sexuality is innate, rigid, and cannot be changed. A straight man or woman will always be straight, and whatever same-sex media they try to create, whether it's m/m or f/f, will always carry those lingering traits of their inherent straightness. Even the pseudo-bisexuality developed between men and women, its different from each other.
No. 1910188
>>1910178>>1910179I'm back and found her thread again, despite forgetting her name:
>>>/w/17713As for her current twitter account, I just found it, her ID is @dyscotheque
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>>1910173>>1910178Not a greentext sorry. Repost from an old thread but she's the peak fandom slacktivist in my heart.
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>>1910191Meant to quote
>>1910176Speaking of Nozmo, I think she's in the bg3 fandom.
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>>1910200I really liked her bg3 works, it felt like a fresh air from sterile safe boys love fanart nowadays. And now it's the same person who made Petunia Violet comic. What a wonderful small internet. She also has her thread on /snow, btw.
No. 1910246
>>1910242I posted it here
>>1910188 but no idea if she's on other websites.
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>>1910222>old art was the epitome of tumblrtardAnd that's why you will never be as good as Nozmo.
>>1910242@sexgoldrevenge
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>>1910168Sad to hear. Understandable, playing safe as possible. Making sexual relationship is a skill too. Why bother and risk if just platonic romance works itself.
No. 1910276
Genuinely not trying to racebait (and I'm sorry of this has already been brought up for speculation) but I'm curious as to why it seems as though the average east asian or eastern european twitter artist is often more talented than the average western artist and I want to know what other people think about the phenomenon. Personally, I believe some people have this perception because they use twitter on the western hemisphere and are more exposed to the western side of twitter and view more varied content whereas foreign posts have to create lots of traction, i.e have many likes = be very good to show up on the western users' scrolling experience = narrow view of what the average foreign artist is really like. There is also this phenomenon of wokeshit that when is present in western art, in most cases turns it into pure garbage, as in titchop scars, slapping 495747 disabilities, mental illnesses, genders, pronouns and sexuality in addition to making them hambeasts to pander to 'marginalized groups' slapped onto random characters. I have never seen wokepandering by eastern european/asian artists from my experience, and because they are more focused on their personal designs rather than modifying pre-existing ones to pander to a crowd it seems as though the deviation allows their art to look better or more unique. Also, there is less censorship and dogpiling that happens in non-western communities for 'problematic' behavior like disregarding 'queer/poc coded' headcanons or just the general crime of badthink. In general I feel like western art seems worse in many context because of their hivemind obsession with looking politically correct and rabid cancellation of those who do not fit the current hivemind which drives actual good artists off the internet.
No. 1910315
>>1910276How many times does this stupid "Russian and Chinese artists create god tier art while westerners are just LE GENDERSPECIAL SNOWFLAKE WOKIES" discourse come up? Unless you actually speak an East Asian or East European language and are immersed in their fandom
on the same level as you are in the western one, you don't really have a realistic comparison. If you only speak English (and possibly some other major western language) and hatescroll fandom drama day in day out while admiring those exotic other artists on repost sites or their art accounts, of course you get a warped perspective. Slavic and Chinese artists are notorious for photobashing and tracing so they also get to produce seemingly high-quality work at a faster pace at they both have insanely schizo level drama in their communities with a terminal crab bucket mentality, Korean artists suicide bait all the time and nuke their accounts during their numerous meltdowns and Japanese artists will delete if their art becomes too popular because they're too afraid of getting a flood of jealous anonhate and being doxxed on 2ch. And all three major countries are constantly butting heads calling each other racist colonialists like that spiderman meme picture, especially Koreans and Chinese. And Korean gacha incels, that we have been through before. Just because they're not drawing your fave as a fat black transwoman (because they live in a monoethnic society for one thing) doesn't mean they don't have their own version of retarded fandom bouts and cancellations, if anything their dogpiling is even more aggressive than in the west.
Also Russians draw plenty of trans/gay/whatever headcanons too, only post-war a lot of west-minded liberal citizens escaped the country and are living in a diaspora because surprise, their country is a totalitarian dystopia.
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>>1910276The west is such a big umbrella kek. This east vs west art debate has been had and rehashed in this and art salt thread many times already. I think anons forget the accessibility of art education as a hobby. I hear Japanese kids are expected to pick up a hobby to be a serious skill like music, art, sports, etc. without pursuing that as a career directly. I think the website being western made definitely skews more kids western kids/hobbyists using the platforms.
No. 1910329
>>1910276I'm not sure about other people, but from personal experience the arts just aren't as big as a thing in education in the west.
In Japan and other mentioned countries there's more effort in teaching, not just illustration but calligraphy, so the base level is a bit higher.
Meanwhile art, home economics, wood shop, it all got cut/dropped as much as possible when I was in school.
No. 1910342
>>1910327"beauty" lmfao. as if generic anime girl art is beautiful, its just a silly argument. there are plenty of western artists whose work is amazing, and i would even argue that the western comic book industry, for example, has many incredibly talented artists that frequently share their work on twitter/tumblr but don't get attention/notes because they don't do it "right" (such as glenn fabry). maybe their work is held back by just doing covers for superhero comics, but i have yet to see a manga, for example, manage to touch the beauty of comics like stray toasters or the artwork of alex ross.
if you're talking about fanart, its because a lot of the western artists you are posting are on the younger side. there are thousands of talented western artists that do professional grade fanart, just as the eastern side does. even on pixiv, there are thousands of horrible fetish art drawn by eastern artists and AI spam, its just you get a biased view on which get attention from the western fandom.
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>>1910342seriously
nonny? are you really trying to defend western art by using ugly scrote hyper detailed grimdark capeshit art as examples? at least give good examples like Berni Wrightson
No. 1910356
>>1909844AYRT, I mentioned that later on in my post that
>if it's not rehashed heterosexual dynamics, it's straight/bisexual women with no natural interest in the characters trying to posture themselves as open-mindedI remember on Livejournal and early Tumblr, f/f was rare but the devoted female fans were passionate and actually gave a fuck about the characters. The fic and fanart was good, too. Now most female-written f/f is from women guilt-tripped to just headcanon two random women as lesbians to pair the spares, but they have nothing to say about them besides "they're so gay" or redraw the photo with two women putting on makeup as the ship. I'd rather have nothing than those performative scraps.
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>>1910354yeah? this shit is better than 99% of the ugly art styles i see in manga, be honest. there are tons of other talented comic book artists such as cliff chiang, greg smallwood, tamra bonvillian, frazer irving, even jordi bernet. i don't see the issue with praising capeshit artists, they are dozens that are extremely talented and overlooked.
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>>1910373he's hot in fanart, but in canon they almost always draw him ugly as fuck because western scrotes cant into attractive men. I will also never forgive DC for making a bishie figure line and sabotaging it by having only one actually attractive figure and the rest being generic statues you can find at a toy-r-us, while the female versions all have enourmous asses and thight fitting suits that show their midriffs and tits. You dont get this level of disrespect in animu.
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>>1910366yeah, i do agree with you. i just used some comic artists as an example because i, too, love comic books and many of the artists are very talented and overlooked. you get more variation, at times, than manga/manhua/ect. and more experimentation, and there are great content that is not limited to capeshit.
99% of comic book males are hideous, i agree with you there. some gay artists like moore travis and david talaski (when he isn't drawing ugly fat guys) can draw attractive ones sometimes.
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>>1910387I just think capeshit is an awful example of good western art, not because they are bad but because superhero comics are extremly offputting and filtering to normal people. I would rather recommend non-capeshit comics like lenore the little dead girl or something like i hate fairyland for people into anime.
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>>1910342I think nonnies like to shit on Western comics more because right now because people are more familiar with anime, but only know about capeshit when it comes to western art. I don't hate capeshit, but western stuff is more varied than that.
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>>1910393in my defense, i did mention stray toasters, which is not a capeshit comic and instead just an experiment comic that was published by marvel. if i wanted to recommend more western comics with good or interesting art, i would recommend (off the top of my head) rork, my favorite thing is monsters, 5,000 kilometers per second, pretty deadly (bad story, but great art and ginny cannot be touched when it comes to cool female characters), paper girls, lone sloane, the incal, ext.
mainly, i just used comic book artists as an example because people were mentioning how american cartoon artists don't have any good work, so i thought comic book artists would be a good example of professional western artists that have good work that they share online.
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>>1910366There's also a lot of good French comics that fly under the radar with a lot of people.
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>>1910386It's not flat, and bubble butts are for faggots
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>>1910404they are good but i dont think they would translate well to a manga reader tastes. The problem with western art is that the realistic style can be very limiting. People that shit on moeface doesnt realize its advantages compared to realistic faces, like how expressive they can be if drawn by a talented artist.
No. 1910417
>>1910376Mine (american) consisted of just electives where the teacher would hand us a paper and tell us that art is about being free before complaining about not getting paid enough.
If they felt inspirational they'd teach us how blue and red make purple.
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>>1910419>>1910418my westaboo queen ricken always draws them with sexy asses
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>>1910414i apologize for the capeshit example, but the right artist can be really expressive in western comics. i do agree it would be hard to shill these comics to manga fans, and i would have to think on what to recommend. the story structure, character design and personalities, and just plotting is so drastically different.
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>>1910430its just stylized art. i don't think it looks retarded and poorly drawn, it is just supposed to look a little strange and exaggerated.
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>>1910431thats more like it
source? No. 1910436
>>1910418Weirdly enough the only one that comes to mind right now is an isekai where the mc had a real big ass.
It wasn't gay or shoujo or anything, it was just mentioned here and there that he had a pretty nice ass and old grannies would smack it on occasion.
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Some marvel comics look pretty.
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>>1910440i dont think the example i posted looks as bad as you're making it out to be, but i guess there some other good examples like nemi (which isn't capeshit). sometimes manga looks really bad when they do exaggerate expressions as well, or just look ugly in ways that are supposed to be humorous but aren't.
No. 1910449
>>1910443it's not comfirmation bias though, it's something everyone who reads both manga and cape can see. Extremely realistic art IS very limiting. It's why if you are a manga reader its better to check more cartoony stuff rather than capeshit.
>>1910445see, that works beause its basically manga simplification (big eyes, subtle dot nose and simple mouth) it's easier for the mind to fill in the gaps.
No. 1910450
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>>1910435Nightwing (2011-2014) #20
No. 1910467
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>>1910452Comas are for commies
>>1910457Although it is true simplar cartoony artstyles can make expression "easier" bur there in lies the skill of the artists there are many realistic artstyle mangas that portray expressions clearly aswell. Portraying a correct expression in realism is a feat every artist strives to achieve,it seems like you're comparing the easiest artwork to mimic ie the moeblob where as the realistic artstyle you call restrictive is much harder to achieve perfectly without tracing.
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>>1910449Feels weird to call it manga simplification, I would say that comics came up with it first.
No. 1910491
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>>1910342Yeah, I was talking about fan art since this is a thread about fandoms. But the western artists with ugly art are usually 20+, not that young. An example of a fandom I'm in is winx club, Russian and Japanese artists stay true to models or use realistic art styles with nice rendering, giving the characters interesting and creative outfits or drawing them the way we recognize them just in a different art style, be it anime or realism or a mix of both. While American artists and people affected by American politics make lazy ugly art and only care about changing the skin tones of the characters. Or draw them in unappealing tumblr/twitter art styles, with ugly modern zoomer fashion outfits. But there are some rare ones that make cute art though. Picrel is an example of the tumblr/twitter art styles I don't like, and it's worse that they made her fat. I've seen worse where they raceswap her as well because "white girls are lame". They also make Stella, a white blonde character, super tan and darker than the Latina character, Flora, because "white blonde girl bad".
No. 1910494
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>>1910491Compare this to the most known Russian winx club fan artist, she doesn't have beef with the characters' skin tones and weights and draws them the way they actually look, and she mastered the official art style as well.
No. 1910514
>>1910365Haena and Sora, it is very cute!
>>1910382In canon they gave him his finger stripes ONE TIME and it stuck forever with the fans, clearly a hit, yet in official designs they leave it out.
Games do it much worse imo
>>1910328This picture made my brain glitch for a minute.
It's a drawing imposed on a photograph with a painting behind that wasn't drawn by the artist
No. 1910525
>>1910276Honestly? Because of laziness.
I noticed that whenever someone complains about their art looking bad and wanting tips to improve and someone suggests a book/course/DAB/something to grind at with a million "but take it at your own pace and don't rush yourself!" disclaimers you'll still get a crowd of people getting angry because how dare you suggest assignments to practice in order to improve and this is just a hobby!!! stop trying to make art boring!!!! This kind of pushback is always surprising to see especially in art spaces. I know art spaces attract different crowds but idk if that mentality is around in Asian and East European spaces. I can't speak for my region because the art scene is very small.
There's also massive selection bias, which Asian and East European artist are you taking about? I know that Isayama used to redraw his favourite manga as a kid but then he later went to art (or animation) school, that's not the same as a Japanese person who became an engineer yet likes to draw for fun (and might have an outburst if you recommend practicing perspective to improve)
No. 1910571
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>>1910534Yeah imagine being older and not drawing as good as some 15 year old haha
No. 1910616
>>1910403source
nonnie ? i'm intrigued
No. 1910636
>>1910582he's 54 actually but yeah still rough
>>1910571don't listen to her nona, everyone's different. it's ok
No. 1910810
>>1910491if it wasn't for the character now being a fattie, the anus lips and the horrid fashion choices for a teenager (the choker, those stocking lingerie belts don't know their name), this wouldn't
that bad compared to genuinely horrible tumblr fanart. like those with muddy colors, blush on every single part of the body, vitligo + acne + huge ass noses, made with the purpose of being ugly so it's ~subversive~. at least this one seems to take inspiration from 2000s flash games and doll box illustrations so at least it isn't made to gross you out (like a lot of "stinky goblin" tif art for example).
No. 1910882
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>>1910276I'm in a small japanese fandom and I can assure you finding art that isn't ugly is hard. The problem is that westerners make meme and woke drawings like the palestine shit go viral, while the asian art that goes viral is the most skilled and beautiful, so that's the stuff that is going to reach your feed.
I remember in the 2000s and very early 10s the western art scene being pretty decent, but the more people dialed up identity politics the more hideous fanart became. Western artists have no motivation to improve or draw better when they can go way more viral doodling blackwashed peter griffin saying trans rights in a void
That said if you dig you can find pixiv tier western artists. Pic rel
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I think it’s so wild that there are groups that organize themselves to mass report artists kek Gay porn artists of all things. Like you’d think they’d go after something bigger than that.
No. 1910952
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>>1910909It couldn't have been that explicit if the person collecting the drawings could save them "as evidence" which I doubt would work as an excuse with actual CSEM. Interesting doc though, I didn't think moids engaged in this kind of petty behaviour over artwork they don't like
No. 1911030
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>>1911003All due to seething jealousy kek these people are bad at drawing and mad at other gay artists for having more skill.
No. 1911049
>>1910255I was friends with her friends (never knew her personally because this was during her disappearance arc), it's not shocking. A lot of them were sickos on their privs, which didn't really come to light until one of them got called out for "
problematic" DMC art years later and a bunch of them masked-off in solidarity, kek. Personally I couldn't care less since it's not like they were pedophiles but it was sort of funny to watch since the person at the center of it all was a TiF and the big artists (like Leslie Hung) also involved were lying through their teeth about how much of the stuff they were involved with.
Unrelated, I still like a lot of Nozmo's fanart even if the characterization is insanely off base sometimes. That whole group largely operates on multiple levels of abstraction from the source material because it's all raving headcanons between each other so it's nostalgic to see the obvious byproduct of it. I don't keep up with who she interacts with but I'm sure they welcomed her back openly as they always talked about missing her. They even found her lolcow thread at one point and kept up with it in case they'd hear something about their AWOL friend.
Sage for blogposting that I'm sure most people won't believe. I'm no longer involved with them because they're all TRAs or TiFs and I distanced myself gradually ages ago when I peaked.
No. 1911075
>>1910958"The very important info" it's just petty fandom drama over drawings. Like what possesses someone to make an entire spreadsheet documenting
problematic artists when there are actual pedos targeting children and discord groomers everywhere online. I get spending your free time laughing at lolcows, we're here for a reason, but they don't even find this funny they mald over it and think this is helping society in some way. Can't they spend their free time actually contributing positively to their fandom or go outside and touch grass
No. 1911331
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picrel is more or less what most AGP TIMs entire perspective on characters, all the women should be "hot and gay" for each other, and men(especially handsome men) shouldn't exist or be trans-girls themselves.
No. 1911438
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>>1911258She scammed a bunch of people who paid for her doujinshi (of various famous fandoms and of her own work) and then she resurfaced when people found out she drew Despicable Me yaoi incest, which prompted a callout for incest and another callout for scams.
Long story short, don't buy from her unless you feel like testing your luck.
No. 1911492
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>>1911438>Despicable Me yaoi incestummm hello, based department?
No. 1911515
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>>1911512its insanely well drawn i wish more of it was archived. I love autistic cringe but free art
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>>1909521You are completely correct about how men view tomboys. Pic related is Andi from Enceladus V. In 4chan threads, men talk about wanting to make her wear a dress and feminize her. What is the point of liking tomboys if you don't like masculinity in women?
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>>1911663Do you know where you are?
No. 1911742
>>1911713unrelated but similar, so many guys want a woman who shares their interests but, in the same breath, need a feminine tradwife. They can't handle nerdy and masculine women because then they must confide that most are reflections of themselves. Maybe not the same, but sure as fuck destroys any semblance of an ideal dream girl. Men hate reality. They hate their perverse fantasies having real weight, seeing as some will stop at nothing to realize their debauchery. I fear for any OSA tomboy who dates these guys and forces them into a relentless game of do as I say until their hearts finally break.
literally just the other day, one moid commented below some art on so-so helping a tomboy realize her "feminine" side. You'd had no idea how hard it was to hold back the projectile vomit in my gut. Absolutely gross. he was also the same guy he proclaimed all women were bi despite evidence to contrary. Surprising to say, he's a piece of work kek.
>>1911735Explains all the moralfagging. You normally see this in your local twitter thread, not lolcow of all places.
No. 1911963
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>>1911926I remember posting like that about anime characters on tumblr when I was a kid minus the emojis, it's a little nostalgic. Also using too many commas,,,, and spacing the exclamation points !!
No. 1912064
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>>1911357The point I was trying to make is the fact that in fandom spaces you will come across so-called 'feminists', these feminists are not just naive libfems, but TIMs with a very typical pathology, they hate men and male characters, not in the way to which women hate men, it's just jealous Incel hatred and in their ideal situation men wouldn't exist and all women would be badass 'punk' lesbians.
No. 1912085
>>1912064these type of men are a disease, honestly. when they flood a fandom, they completely ruin it (look at the guilty gear fandom, where they discuss which character is a "puppygirl" in the official discord). they are incapable of making content beyond porn and polyamory jokes, and demands every character be a lesbian, while trying to hide its a fetish thing. you should have seen how many of them seethed over the male characters flirting with their ~total lil lesbian~ self-inserts in BG3, they are unhinged and unpleasant.
i think its incredibly weird how many of them plaster their ugly selfies all over their fandom accounts too, unless you're a cosplayer, i believe in fandom anonymity.
No. 1912088
>>1912083irony poisoned
>>1912084NPC
No. 1912140
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I never get this especially with silent protagonist characters, just self insert as the silent protagonist like a normal person.
No. 1912154
>>1912070As long as it's constantly and exclusively directed at women being harmless like it is now, no it's not. When was the last time you saw a moid harassing living breathing children being called out? Never, and it's not like there's a shortage of those faggots around. I've seen actual callout posts describing heinous and blatant grooming and sexual abuse that never gains any traction because nobody wants to be the one who receives harassment from manosphere cunts protecting one of their own. Try calling out some degenerate fuckboy waving his dick at women and you'll get a Turkey Tom video calling you a liar and a clout digger between the lines and all his equally retarded fans will agree. But some woman drawing nasty porn that instead of you finding gross + blocking her you send a hate mob her way? Everyone will be like sharks smelling blood in the water.
It's not a goodwill moral crusade of cleaning up fandom spaces, it's a power trip and everyone knows it, nowadays they might even say it out loud, but nobody gives a shit. Bottom line, nobody genuinely thinks they're on the good side of history making things better for everyone, it's a tale as old as time to exploit the idea of purity to gain power. People need to learn to accept just blocking people and muting words as a
valid reaction or they might as well just get off twitter because most likely they're into something someone else finds to be freak shit that justifiably needs to be taken down. Back in the day people laughed at things like Sonic Passion and clowned on it endlessly to the point it became a fandom meme, now that crazy bitch would've been called a confirmed pedophile (because Sonic is only 16!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and fandom kids would've been contacting the french police in hordes for fictional statutory hedgehog rape.
No. 1912179
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>>1912085>>1912064These TIMs serve as a good example of my point
>>1910177, which is that aspects of their sexuality and paraphilias always become apparent. Take a look at how different the f/f ships written by straight women are like. They often comes across as wishy washy and almost asexual(picrel describes what I mean). Instead, it focuses more on the overall atmosphere and "vibes" rather than sexuality or romance, On the other hand when it comes to f/f ships written by straight men or TIMs, their interest in such material is purely driven by coom. basically for straight women f/f ships are an idealized fantasy born out of frequent disappointment with men. However, it can never be explicitly sexual since it originates from straight women, so they have to masculinize one of the women and also essentially give them a penis, on the other hand, for straight men and TIMs their interest in f/f ships, stems from envy towards normal or attractive men who attract women. They don't necessarily want to improve themselves to gain that attention, so they imagine a scenario where women are not attracted to men altogether.
No. 1912195
>>1912157What? Why is anyone here to make thoughtful critique on why minion incest ships are bad? No one was shutting down nonas for disliking it and I don't think anyone actually likes it either, it's simply interesting to see what people come up with
>>1912070Not the moralism sperging again. Can you answer how that would even be enforced beyond bullying women for drawing what they like in their free time
No. 1912212
>>1912070The insistence of moralfagging that exclusively women and tifs have is what ruined female spaces. Why do you think only women ever get cancelled, by fellow women while men get to draw their loli guro skinning machines in peace. "Puriteens" are a disease that ruined women's spaces because they cannot for the life of them mind their business.
I say that as someone who used to be part of women heavy fandoms and when things got bad with Gen Z antis switched to things only moids like, I've never been more at peace and left alone. I sound like the baiting anon that rps as a scrote but I swear I'm not, I'm just talking my experience kek.
No. 1912213
>>1912074> fandom kids would've been contacting the french police in hordes for fictional statutory hedgehog rape.I hate this so much, these people must be so fucking sheltered to call everything pedophilia. I am not a CSA
victim or anything but i have gotten creepy men in my dms since i was 11 to ask me for nudes, the only reason why i didnt get groomed like 4 times is because i was a retarded husbandofag, my mom had a weird ex that would touch my legs, etc. To see some artist or user(99% of times a woman) get acussed of pedophilia for liking a cartoon sends me into a rage spiral. These people must be so fucking sheltered, i envy them
No. 1912232
>>1912195NTA I actually don't care what you think of grucest yaoi. You shouldn't use something as retarded as the term NPC to mean whoever you disagree with.
>>1912213Kek. You're the kennyfag or something aren't you?.
No. 1912347
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Here's an example of why censorship and "moralism" are sometimes necessary, in the Western localization of Cardcaptor Sakura, Rika(a 10-year-old) and Tejada(a man in his late 20s) had an relationship where Rika had a one-sided crush on him and he rejected her but still tried to be a supportive figure and learned her feelings were because her father was absent at home. In the actual anime Tejada reciprocated that crush and they promised to wed each other when she was older and in the manga they were dating.
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>>1912347Female fans tend to have the decency to curate their gross content and give warnings. I wasn't warned when I saw this cringe shit on TV. It's not comparable.
Tbh also I feel like CLAMP are an outlier and shouldn't be counted as some kind of standard for shoujo manga.
No. 1912423
>>1912404Ryoko Ikeda is a woman and I understand why she'd be against censorship. Oniisama E is a work full of heavy themes and traumatizing scenes, for example (but unlike pedophilia in CLAMP it's shown as 100% wrong).
Plus Ikeda comes from a time where young japanese women were cultured and didn't need for media to be their moral guardians, and they could actually write good stories with
problematic content
painted as such. If anything she is the proof that writing about something doesn't mean endorsing it.
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>>1912347And how would moralism have prevented this exactly? You can say that it's bad to include this type if shit in media and I would agree, but the author, editor or publisher might say there's nothing wrong with it in their opinion. How would you ever come to a conclusion since morals aren't fixed? It'll just end up with the more powerful or loud person being right. Though that doesn't even seem like a good example, grooming is illegal and that's why it shouldn't be presented as something cute.
No. 1912471
>>1912373You're right, I was almost writing a spergy retort but realized who it was and just scrolled past.
>>1912429I was never a huge fan of CLAMP but honestly all their stories happen in such an alternative shoujo universe completely detached from the real world that it feels like a waste of time to apply real world logic into them. Kinda like the old Grimms' tales, if you start looking at them from the cultural context of everyday 2024 you're just going to have a bad time.
No. 1912482
>>1912453>>1912457I think it's gross (and also fucking boring when it comes to storytelling/characterisation- at least do something interesting with it if it must be present), but it's been riddled through media for decades with little comment. Guys either don't notice it at all or see nothing wrong with it (if it's something like a 40+ action hero paired with a woman in her 20s/early thirties), and if it's lolishit the more degenerate will act as if it's the same. Women like to include it in their own stuff for a multitude of reasons, and I've talked to quite a few women who like the female MC to be significantly younger than the male MC (and themselves) for self-insertion fantasy purposes (eg 16-18 year old student paired with a teacher who is the woman's actual age or near it). I don't personally feel the appeal but it is fucking everywhere so someone must.
What has definitely seen a big uptick in recent years is shit like ddlg– to bring it back to fandom nonsense, untagged ddlg/little has been a recent blight in a couple of the fandoms I'm in
No. 1912487
>>1912064>>1912085I was extremely confused over the ridiculous influx of really malebrained and aggressive "lesbians" in fandom spaces screaming about how much they hate the attractive male characters and they should all die to let the lesbians have the world and so on, until one day I actually checked their profiles and sure enough they were all trannies. Like there was a 16-year old rudefem XX with a k-pop avatar amidst the discussion every now and then but most of them were just angry trooncels and I'm disappointed in myself for not realizing it sooner.
>unless you're a cosplayer, i believe in fandom anonymity.A dying thought tbh and should be brought back.
No. 1912492
>>1912070>the existence of "puriteens" is a positive sign that we should be praising exist.No, it's not. Just because proshippers are degenerate doesn't mean the far extreme is good. Most "puriteens" have awful media literacy and a conservative outlook on fiction, ex. needing their hand held to be told its wrong instead of coming to that conclusion themselves. When I was a kid I stumbled on gross Sonic and Pokemon porn online, but my parents raised me better so instead of it "brainwashing" me to believe bestiality is ok, I just thought "that's gross, whoever drew that is a weirdo". I'm not a censorship/free speech absolutist because I do think there should be
some legal limits, but I never see puriteens go after men who own lolicon fleshlights or mainstream media creators who direct movies with pedophilic themes. They always go after women who ship a legal age gap or insinuating a woman over 25 who still likes anime she watched in high school must be a pedo.
No. 1912494
>>1912421>>1912488Yeah Mamoru isn't that old, people just think he's older because he lived alone due to being a rich orphan and went to university because people in Japan can start university at 18 or 17 if they skipped a grade.
>>1912490No he's not, he's 17 in the first season of the anime and 16 in the manga.
No. 1912519
>>1912514kek just imagining someone posting something along the lines of “having a 375 year age gap is creepy and
problematic imo” is killing me
No. 1912525
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>>1912501Online "lesbians" who have a million husbandos or "comphet" male celeb faves look like this to me.
No. 1912536
>>1912347I watched the anime subbed and I remember it was also just a crush there, it wasn't the west that censored it. I do know they didn't bring the character back because the voice actress died and they didn't want to replace her.
>>1912355Ngl I never looked up if Cardcaptor Sakura was originally made for kids or if it just happened to fall down that line like a bunch of stuff did in that time. Devilman had a "for kids" anime as well, didn't it?
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>>1912531samefag, I should mention the professor she had her self insert fall in love was based off poet and philosopher, Henry Thoreau
No. 1912677
>>1912654In Sakura, highschooler Touya is in a secret relationship with his professor who is a woman in her early 20s iirc. Later on said woman ends up in a relationship with a 10 yo boy who is actually the powerful wizard Clow who disguised himself as a child (and still is in that relationship in.child form).
Another example I can think of is how in RG Veda, the protagonist is a genderless god who starts the story looking like a little girl protected by a handsome older guy and their relationship is implied to be romantic even at that stage (the god later turns into a teen bishie so you could easily paint it as grooming).
I vaguely remember Clamp Detective also had questionable age gaps but I forgot now tbh. The weirdness mostly comes from how all these pedo relationships are all okay and nobody finds it questionable, unlike other shoujo manga which tends to call out
problematic behavior or show it in a dramatic way, especially in older shoujo.
No. 1912720
>>1912546>real. i don't think there are hardly any lesbians on twitter anymore bc the algorithm pushes futashit if you follow one artist who draws f/f and she happens to mutual with some futard. abandon shipFuta has always been pretty common in anime fandoms but the current state of yuri spaces is literally unbearable. On top of fakebians and people calling their het porn f/f, you have to deal with people saying m/f ships like Asaden or whatever is yuri now. It's even worse if you're a "proship" yurifag because every retard in that circle is into trannyshit. Like I want to see actual
problematic yuri not badly disguised corrective rape porn. Pretty much every NSFW "yuri" artist I followed end up drawing futa or started pandering to trannies so I've given up on being a himejoshi.
No. 1912827
>>1912677>In Sakura, highschooler Touya is in a secret relationship with his professor who is a woman in her early 20s iirc. Later on said woman ends up in a relationship with a 10 yo boy who is actually the powerful wizard Clow who disguised himself as a child (and still is in that relationship in child form)Just looked this up. According to the wiki:
>it is revealed that not only did Sakura's older brother Touya Kinomoto know Kaho, but also that they had an intimate relationship while she was his junior high school student teacher. Touya reveals that Kaho had broken up with him so she could go to England to study; she also told him that, in their next meeting, they'd be in love with other peoplekek sounds more like she broke up with him for getting too old
No. 1912840
>>1912720DA I remember that futa was always around, but it was always considered a niche, a fetish, or exception to the rule. On Livejournal communities it was always explicitly tagged and considered a "cousin" category and it was understood that yuri fans don't want to look at dicks. Now after 2015 or so it's been everywhere. Futa, breeding kink, etc. It's ironically so heteronormative.
>>1912546I feel like they all left, including me. I lurk sometimes and the last time I saw a self-identified lesbian have decent takes, it turned out her "girlfriend" in bio was a TIM.
No. 1913246
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>casually look up a pairing on twitter in case I can find good artists
>see this
Gatekeeping isn't enough, wtf is this shit?
No. 1913263
>>1913213I'm straight myself and quite frankly find futa and it's sister cuntboys gross. Why slap sexual organs on differently built bodies? I get the taboo subject matter. Hell, in some cases it could be hot, but the only people I know who like it are either straight moids or pornbrained bi/straight women. I literally know like two gay women, one who draws futa and Another who kinda likes it but i'm not sure if she's joking or legit into it. It baffles me. Out of every sexual orientation on earth, lesbians are the least likely to crank it to futa porn. What is there to offer? it's a penis having woman defiling another. And the strangest thing of all is the sheer lack of futa on male porn. We all know a scrote would sooner die than be at the mercy of someone else unless it's soft mommydom crap. They hate the idea of lacking power so maybe that explains it kek.
>>1913254I thought the whole point of fanfiction is being such a fan that one could write the most in depth ic ship fic imaginable? it's probably one of the reasons I don't write fanfiction unless it's a series that encourages elsewhere fics. You need to be fan of the source to write a decent fic. I can't believe some fic writers don't consume the material they base their stuff on. why even bother? you're just making something you're not passionate for which is quite frankly stupid.
No. 1913280
>>1913182>>1913187Yeah anons on this site have spent so much time here with no grass touching that they forget how plenty of lesbians and bisexuals are fine with troons and think they're just doing a nice thing for their "trans sisters" by drawing a girl with a dick. All of the lesbian artists that I know personally are like this and the trannies they interact with are autistic as fuck but completely nonthreatening to them. It's really nothing more than that and I feel like most of the demanding for trannies comes from salty handmaidens trying to moralfag on people.
>>1913216This. It's also easy to say that all the degenerate moidbrained porn is created by men but there are so fucking many pickmes pandering to them I don't know what to think about it. It's a bleak moment seeing some 20-year old girl drawing loli porn and having men way older than her lust over it.
No. 1913307
>>1913280again, i was specifically referring to the women who are uncomfortable with drawing futashit but who do so anyway for the sake of "inclusivity". i don't doubt that there are (unfortunately) a number of them who either don't mind drawing futashit, or who get some coomer kick out of it, but they are not the people i was talking about.
>>1913291i have personally seen quite a few writers bombarded by "are you going to write transfem [x]?" or the more accusatory variant, "why haven't you written transfem [x]?". some women are more sensitive to the coercive element of such repeated questions, and being unable to outright state you won't do futashit lest you be branded as "possibly terfy" certainly doesn't help. however, i am still of the belief that caving into the pressure and creating futashit against your will is a disservice to both oneself and likeminded women. as
>>1913290 said, the best tactic is to ignore them and carry on with confidence. by the way artist nonna, i'm sorry to hear about your experience. i hope you can gather up the courage to post f/f again someday, although i understand not wanting to engage anymore. fuck futafreaks.
No. 1913311
>>1913279is this why so many brogressive moids love being pegged by a goth mommy? if so, lmao, so freaking pathetic.
>>1913299and it's frankly nonsensical. Any sex that lacks penetration isn't regarded as true sex for whatever reason. Perhaps because of decades lesbian denial as well as the calcacave of suppression SSA women have faced. That's if men acknowledged they exist? Two women making out doesn't hold the same water as two men holding hands. As we all know, they'll get over their love of women and settle for a balding moid.
I assumed I was gay for hating futa, but as it turns out, I hated futa for centering on the male gaze not a woman's pleasure. Penis on it's own is fine, in places where it makes sense. When it's shoved in f/f, I absolutely hate it. Quite frankly ruins everything and then some.
No. 1913328
>>1913319Fanfic used to be the main ways for women and girls to explore themes aimed at women when the main source lagged on simple character writing, dynamics, and interpersonal drama. You wanna see two leads with far better chemistry get together? There's a fic for that. Wanna see two guys fuck? fic for that. You wanna see a elsewhere story about a Japanese vampire slayer? There's a fic for that. All you had to do was wrangle some tags and you'd find it. But these days, finding one that isn't riddled with troon, "queer" (read spicy straight), and braindead slop is like wading through a murky swamp for one nice flower. Since the new heads of fandom happily like anything gay, even straight with extra steps, no one has time to scroll down and find what they like anymore.
I want to read m/f and m/m in peace without having to deal with surprise pussy crap. If I wanted straight sex or gay sex, I would hunt it out, not receive it in the least likely place imaginable.
No. 1913410
>>1913182>>1913201To be fair, a lot of them make money off their art so there's a tangible risk in actively pissing off the mob. For the ones who don't, I just don't get it. I don't post my art on social media anymore but if I was asked I sure as fuck wouldn't cave. Even when I was a TRA/libfem I never cosigned "translesbians are
valid" "genital preferences are bad" rhetoric.
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Reminded me of the conversation from a few days ago
No. 1914281
>>1913985tbh I've gotten into some fandoms/their media by interacting with fan material first while knowing nothing about the source material, though this tends to only happen when a fic author I really like either starts putting out new fics for said media or has a backlog of older works in different fandoms. It's kind of like picking up a random book in a genre and then being able to have a quick glance at a wiki to see what the characters look like etc if you want to or are confused about anything that doesn't get explained due to being fanfic. Wouldn't consider myself a fan or make my own content unless I move on to the original media and get proper into it, though.
Plus, sometimes I make fanart for friends' interests or commissioners without ever interacting with the media the characters are from, which might account for some of those 'yes' votes.
No. 1914625
>>1914220What
>>1914364 said, lost media content or maybe like old newspaper comics or media that got an adaptation but you want to be an nlog and be a fan of the original but it can't be found.
Or actually being a part of an active fandom in the making but it's not the early stages anymore so it's awkward to try and enter, like the North Park 4chan fandom. I wanted to be part of the autism but there's just too much with too little. The fandom is growing on itself like a cancer but newcomers can't really enter because there's no original media to go off of because they're making it up as they go.
I'm sure there are other examples of internet exclusive time sensitive fandoms out there but it's the only one I know of offhand.
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Unpopular opinion, but I actually do agree with picrel. I know we're all expected to praise Rowling because she "owned the troons", but her work did have a conservative edge to it. It frames heterosexuality as the norm and standard, and it frames being a weirdo as something worth mocking. also she obviously believes that motherhood makes certain women better then others.
No. 1914691
>>1914667Cool I guess, but she's still a billionaire who did something that people are still talking about and consooming for.
I think the problem that people have with Harry Potter and JK's works is that everyone expects this expertly written masterpiece with absolutely no mistakes or whatever else.
She must have a reason why she wrote what she wrote and the way she wrote, is that something evil that should make her get hashtag canceled, harassed and death threatened? Of course not, but everyone keeps acting like she's the monolith and the example for all women or something like that.
You don't get this level of questioning or nitpicking in Fandoms for shit like Sonic or idk, some scrote made story.
No. 1914699
>>1914667jkr sure isn't a super revolutionary radical feminist but i wouldn't call her cunservative, she's more on the liberal side of things. she also started writing the books around the time her mother died early so maternal characters figure a lot.
it's also a stretch to call hermione and mcgonagall maternal, they're smart and reliable but not exactly stereotypes ofmother hood. mcgonagall is always shiwn in a professinal role as a teacher, you never hear about her family in the booksand they're positive role models for girls imo.
No. 1914701
>>1914667Rowling definitely has a strong affinity with mothers and family in general as themes in her writing, but I don't think it comes from a conservative place at all. Being a (single, struggling) mother to her children was always a huge part of her own identity so it makes a lot of sense to me that she would encorporate that into her writing, whether that influence was intentional or not. To her, motherhood and creating a warm, caring family environment are very important and so she values those same traits in her female characters.
I don't like it either and would have loved it if she included some more fleshed out female characters without those traits, but I can understand why it ended up this way.
As for the lack of gay representation, honestly it was the 90s. Most writers just didn't put much thought into including nonstraight characters the way they do now, even if they had zero issues with homosexuality.
No. 1914713
>>1914667This is so fucking weird and unhinged.
>>1914706Seriously. Plus like half of what RR martin shits out has incest in it, and neither writer is particularily shocking as far as moid writers go, but god forbid a woman write stories that dare include MOTHERS, that’s the real issue kek
No. 1914721
>>1914701>As for the lack of gay representation, honestly it was the 90s. Most writers just didn't put much thought into including nonstraight characters the way they do now, even if they had zero issues with homosexuality.I also don't understand why everyone acts like JK Rowling wrote the books on 2000 and that she's a 20 years old zoomer.
Why isn't everyone asking why Julio Cortazar doesn't have any explicitly gay characters that makeout in the middle of the story? Everyone is just nitpicking JK Rowling because she happens to be sick of being told to sit down and shut up.
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>>1914667This reddit post sounds like they have mommy issues. Most women become mothers, that is a fact.
>she obviously believes that motherhood makes certain women better then others.I read an analysis I agree with once that JK is more against romantic obsession like with the bellatrix case and voldemort's upbringing (his mother used a spell on his father) versus maternal/family love, hence why it is Molly Weasley that kills Bellatrix.
In this article (included screenshot) she talks about how she doesn't like the Draco Malfoy obsession.
https://time.com/3644311/jk-rowling-harry-potter-draco-malfoy/
>it frames being a weirdo as something worth mockingLuna Lovegood was weird wasn't she, if by weird you solely mean "doesn't become a mother" then I suppose she's not weird. Lots of the female characters were kooky!
No. 1914789
>>1914667Sometimes I read posts like yours and I remember even on lc, I should be prepared for out of touch posts that can't put things into perspective.
For fucks sake
nonnie, she's a normie woman. Of course she's going to frame things this way. Valuing family and motherhood aren't inherently conservative traits, they're human traits. We're animals that thrive on forming close bonds with others. I know a lot can be said about the process of pregnancy, motherhood and all of that but at the end of the day a good portion of women will want to be mothers and you'll find these women on quite literally any side of the political spectrum. It's totally fine to critique these things that are expected of women and that destroy our bodies forever, but I also think it's utterly insane to frame motherhood and pregnancy as a concept as something conservative. Don't let tradthots and blackpillers rot your brain kek
No. 1914844
>>1914667>Conservatives: JKR is a libcuck because she has gay characters and is fine with black women playing hermione.>Liberals: JKR is a tradfag because she includes many motherly characters in positive roles (some are a stretch tbh, seems to be any women who are older, smart, or in positions of authority are branded 'Mummy')I wish people were normal. Motherhood is not something conservative, it's natural. It's only conservative to pretend not doing it makes women lesser/is wrong which she does not do (eg. McGonagall is never mentioned having kids etc).
>>1914706You're right kek.
No. 1914896
>>1914667>It frames heterosexuality as the normIt literally IS the norm nona…
>also she obviously believes that motherhood makes certain women better then others.The reason JK wrote so much about motherhood is partly because her own mother got very sick at age 35 when JK was just a teen, and she had just died at age 45 when JK only just started writing the first book. She is well aware of how valuble mothers are, and the pain of not having them around.
The other part is because JK escaped a very
abusive relationship only when she got pregnant and realized she couldn't let her child grow up seeing mom get beaten bloody and get abused like that. Becoming a mother is what made her strong enough to leave to protect her unborn child.
No. 1914997
>>1914726what
>>1914769 she has the views of a moderate liberal, they are not radical one way or the other.
No. 1915514
>>1914667I've read the books when I was young, so I don't remember it as well, but wasn't the reson why Voldemort was an irredeemable evil person because he was born from untrue love and his mother abandoned him? Wouldn't Merope be a bad mother and the source of the evil in the series?
>>1914924I thought it was weird that she said Dumbledore was gay right after she published the book he died tbh. Why take the corpse out of the closet kek? It just felt like an information that didn't play any role in the story.
No. 1915675
>>1915514Dumbledore loving/being exes with the prior genocide wizard informs his character and his actions throughout the books though. The gay is also blatantly visible in book 7.
Dude thinks nothing of raising Harry as a lamb for the slaughter for the greater good, as he also had to put the good of the Wizarding world before his personal priorities.
No. 1916369
>>1915744Nobody can read between the lines any more even when it's this obvious. Dumbledore could have been written as an effeminate man who lives with another effeminate man, is unmarried, dresses in rainbow flag robes, and has multiple statues of naked men in his office, and there would still be people complaining that JKR had retconned him as gay instead of providing the all-important representashun.
>>1915514Merope was mentally ill and stuck with a seriously shitty family with no feasible way to escape from them, which explains why she'd do something retarded like use a love potion to trap her Prince Charming and guarantee her escape. She didn't know, or didn't care, about the consequences for her child. Even if she did, she probably wouldn't care that much, since she'd faked Tom's love for her with a potion and probably thought she could use another spell or potion to make her kid love her too. Or she just wouldn't notice he was a psychopath in the first place, since her brother and dad were so insane and violent that as long as little Tommy didn't beat her head in on the daily she'd think he loved her.
>>1915888And you still get brainlets reeing that this is bad because muh IRL rape babies will develop a complex about being unable to love after reading Harry Potter. Because obviously if you're the product of rape, you have no issues in your life at all until ebil JKR tells you that you're bad. The reasoning behind why love potions make psychopaths makes total sense in-universe and also explains why there aren't thousands of other little Voldies running around.
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>>1917171I do have some issues about JK's writing. In my opinion the decision to shift the tone to appear more 'darker' had a negative impact on the series as it progressed. However, I don't consider a silly name when the series was still more kiddish to be a
valid criticism.
And all that said, the vast majority of criticism she receives is from degenerates who make claims like picrel, that are so retarded that they can't even be bothered to pretend they don't hate her guts.
No. 1917474
>>1917145to a western person it IS a whimsical fairytale name the same way japanese people think bobson dugnutt is a good
valid western name, it really ain't that deep
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>>1910177"sapphic fantasies" like picrel tend to be the usual depictions of female/female by straight women.
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While Araki can be a faggot sometimes, I feel like this was just a lighthearted joke/scene, but twitards gotta twitard.
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>>1918290In Dungeon Meshi I really wanted to swap to the Japanese dub when I heard they gave the female dwarf to a troon and she sounds just like a dude, but I'm watching it with a group
No. 1919002
>>1916369>Nobody can read between the lines any more even when it's this obvious. Dumbledore could have been written as an effeminate man who lives with another effeminate man, is unmarried, dresses in rainbow flag robes, and has multiple statues of naked men in his office, and there would still be people complaining that JKR had retconned him as gay instead of providing the all-important representashun.You know I think it's actually more of a cultural thing. Like it's audience expectations that vary.
Some examples I can think of are Asian romance manga/comics that have male lead who are downright
abusive and nasty but the audience is split between
>omg he loves her so much! They have so much chemistry! He a red flag but I'm colorblind teehee>he's nasty and loves controlling her and is obsessed with controlling her, that's not loveAnd the top is definitely what the author was going for. Or the book Lolita
>it's about an unreliable narrartor pedo grooming a child>it's an age gap love story and the girl totally wanted itAnd somehow TWO adaptations got made with that second interpritation in mind.
No. 1919125
>>1919101Fuck, that's gross (manipulative).
Looking it up, it'd funny how the Japanese comments are "why is she a man" and "A man voice doesnt fit her character".
No. 1919200
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>>1918290>>1919101Until a few years ago, I was exclusively watching dubs. But the awful quality of modern dubbing made me to switch over to watching the original Japanese. I find that most female VA's sound devoid of emotion and artificial, while most male VA's come across as whiny fags. It almost feels like their trying to make the dubbing sound unbearable as hell.
No. 1919265
>>1919200English VA’s have really gone to shit over the last few years. I also used to only listen to dub but switched to the original audio and I can’t go back.
I almost couldn’t finished the Blue Eyed Samurai because of how awful the voice acting was. I know it wasn’t originally Japanese but it just shows how low the bar for English VA’s has gotten.
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>>1919265I posted this in one of the previous threads, just a decade ago most voice actors were former local actors who were hired by studios, they would also be doing voice work for Western cartoons as well and this could lead to radically different dub qualities. but when crunchyroll took over the industry, a gap started to emerge where cheaper internet-based non-union LA dubbers suddenly took over the scene and the quality of voice actors has never really been recovered.
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>>1919323It really is, because either it manages to linger on and die slowly or it faces a huge financial loss, crashes and burns with mass layoffs.
No. 1919643
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>>1919491An abridged series would be funnier though.
No. 1919774
>>1919200This unlocked a memory of watching Conan O’Brien doing an improv dubbing of the Ghost in the Shell and he was actually better than this.
This is so bad is actually funny.
>>1919742Yea I had heard that too which is why the laugh sounds a little uncanny for an anime
No. 1920508
>>1919274like day and night!
anya from spy x family is another example for this.
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I don't watch any streamers but this randomly popped up on my tl and it's a bit jarring how streamer fandoms expect their streamers to bend over backwards for their comforts.
No. 1920857
>>1920561I hate muslims so much, why does anyone have to work extra hard so they can pretend they have an eating disorder for a whole month?
>>1920578Minors shouldn't be online anyway so whatever.
No. 1920866
>>1920862You're right, it's just yet another harmful religious practice at this point, like if they want to meditate and shit they can just use something called
willpower and not turn on their devices, not eat, not drink water and whatever else they do.
Like why is everyone supposed to just stop living? Even those who don't even follow any particular religion? Just for the sake of some people with an immolation fetish? I don't get it.
They could just use their book written by their pedophile prophet and use it to spend their misery period of time on their own instead of expecting everyone else to just cater to them all.
This shit doesn't happen for catholics, for example, during the holy week they're not allowed to eat other than fish, but you don't see whole countries or restaurants closing or putting black curtains everywhere so no one is tempted by the meat and chicken.
No. 1920911
>>1920650I seriously hate how Tumblr's approach to tagging leaked onto Twitter and other sites. Tagging should just be seen as a courtesy thing but some people will jump you if you don't tag, it's retarded. I understand wanting suicide/rape to be tagged but when I was on Tumblr in 2017 people would expect their mutuals to tag the most minuscule shit like playgrounds because it "
triggered" them (probably munchies priming themselves to be
triggered).
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Here's a thing that has to be understood, the narrative of "authentic Muslims" comes almost exclusively from Muslims in America. There is a huge difference between Muslims in America and the rest of the world, simply because of the requirements to get in.
Like my cousin(who is a business graduate with no criminal history) only got a VISA after waiting years, compare to that my Uncle who was a violent Islamist who makes his infant daughter wear veils, he's been living in the UK for 20 years now, in fact my grandfather sent him there cause he was being too much of an Islamist in our country, but that's the same with all other ethnicities and religious groups, the Americanized narrative always dominates.
No. 1920973
>>1920871kek you just reminded me of when I had the misfortune of having to visit my relatives in their muslim country for a whole month in the middle of summer because I wasn't 18yo just yet so I had no say in that and even thought I ate the whole time and nobody gave a fuck it was supposed to be calm outside, yet every single morning you'd have people getting into fist fights right below our windows because they were stressed and hungry and forced to fast or they'd get in trouble with their friends or family or maybe they could get fined, idk. I was stuck there with no internet connection, I thought I was going to kms because I had to go to an internet cafe to not miss the new Free! episodes while the first season was getting released and as soon as ramadan was over everyone went back to chain smoking and giving themselves diabetes in there.
>>1920892I remember seeing posts about tagging everything as nsfr but I don't remember anyone I followed doing this. At the very best they would tag anything as #food even if a post just vaguely referenced eating lunch but that was way more widespread because of anachans asking people to do this on tumblr more or less at the same time.
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I hate coomerfags. It took scrotes less than a year to strip the word tomboy of all of its meaning and turn it into Discord grooming meme.
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I really hate the fandommization of religions and religion headcanons.
No. 1921869
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>>1921800>>1921804It reminds me of this though a lot of these "phenotypes" is very much aimed to trooned AGPs.
>"Very girly, womanly vibes No. 1921917
>>1921915The "
femcel tomling" is literally an incel chud but drawn as a kawaii desu anime girl. Kek moids fall for psyops so easily
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>>1921917that ones based on a vtuber named pippa who a giant pickme pandering to 4chan scrotes
No. 1921977
>>1921941God I hate vtubers
What do you think changed in fandom culture with their popularity? Iirc they appeared en masse in the beginning of the pandemic, right?
No. 1921993
>>1921800The thing is that if any of these men would interact with an actually mentally ill woman that is unhinged. They would reject her. If they had to interact with someone unwashed, actually unhinged with low self esteem they would reject that girl
They have this fantasy like delusional image of what a mentally ill woman looks and behaves like
No. 1922036
>>1922015If they encountered an actual
femcel that is dirty, unwashed, unhinged, actually shut in, severely depressed. They wouldn't even have sex with her or initiate any sort of relationship.
No. 1922040
>>1922015>>1922036Note how their idea of a "
femcel" is also always skinny but slightly curvy, never fat/chubby or emancipated like a lot of shut ins are.
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>>1921800>>1921804Except for the first one, all of these are pic rel.
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This is all so awkward. Idk, maybe it's because I was always told that only Muslims can talk about being Muslim and that even referencing their religion was rude, but looking at anime characters praying like Muslims and making characters wearing hijabs and so on is so weird to me, that I feel like I'm just experiencing a fever dream lmao.
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I'm glad someone said it but of course people are angry
No. 1922786
>>1922703>let people enjoy surgery scarsWhat….they're treating it like some kind of fashion trend.
>>1922780It's troon on troon violence
No. 1922796
>>1922703It's so obvious to anyone even remotely plugged into this side of fandom that people just want to recreate heterosexual sex with special words. It's never two TIFs having sex, it's never the TIF topping a man, they always make it a man fucking a woman with masectomy scars and no one is allowed to call a spade a spade. I'm surprised there are any TIFs mentioning it at all. Maybe if they make it
problematic faster this godforsaken trend will finally die.
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>>1922703>trans men do it "too much" is a problemTIFs want to make gay men to have sex with a vagina to hide their homophobia, girl. That's why they never admit their boyfriend is straight or bi. That's the problem, not that they "bottom".
Picrel, what's the empty threats in Hell?
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>>1922833>male character drawn with exaggeratedly handsome, sexy features >”oMg HoW dArE yOu sExUaLiZe this made up, fictional character!!! It is asexual erasure and literal abuse to think about this drawing in a sexual context!!” Twitterfags are like this about Alastor from Hazbin hotel too, a character that is a literal demon who kills and eats people kek.
No. 1922866
>>1922847not that related and it's stupid but i'd rather have men like this one pretend they're so persecuted for being asexual than see them paint their nails and thinking that makes them a marginalized gendie, or even worse, full-blown mtfs
>>1922851wow i thought i'd never see someone with lenses thicker than mine
No. 1923007
>>1909110he's literally tumblr sexyman bait. pathetic but strong, blonde, wears suit, unique voice, plays an instrument. everything i look for in a man. i did think he was kinda endearing but surprising i ended up hating him because he ruins the plot with his mere existence. fucking deus ex machina ass appearing out of nowhere to save the day when no one expects you in the final battle. human stolas personification of daddy issues twink looking ass you just HAD to be endearing, you had to be. i hate him. don't let his sexiness fool you. that bitch is EVIL i tell you, you've seen what he did with the apple. and he's a coward. "look at me, wah wah i left my daughter for 7 years because i have depression but she called me on the telephone one time and i immediately showed up and changed my mind about her plan". boo hoo, what a crybaby. he believed in free will for humans because he saw how adam and lilith were being treated unequally and that lilith desired independence, and he wanted to grant free will so everyone would be equal. cool, you fucking succeeded with the free will now goddamn try to bring equality. accept damn reality and rule your kingdom. you're so strong you could easily teach them to behave you lil ass. bruh his wife divorced him and now she's on a vacay to the beaches up the clouds. goodness what a failure you have to be for your damn wife who you were with for so many years to go get the milk. his cutie patootie lil ass dried my pussy faster than a fucking droplet thrown into the sun. adam ftw.
No. 1923201
>>1923059With how retarded queer labels are, you could claim all of your gay ships are pre-transition nonbinaries who strictly go by she/her (or he/him if male) and all of it should be
valid under their beliefs since you don't need to transition to be trans and nonbinary people don't owe you androgyny. If they think it's spicy
TERF porn just accuse them of being transphobes who want to genocide T4T couples.
No. 1923278
>>1923267Agreed. But I have also seen adult women who grew up in fandom spaces online using these terms in the most nonsensical ways
>be me, about to have lesbian sex >woman I’m hooking up with says something like “sorry I’m such a bottom, teehee”>me: ”no worries, so should I pull out my strap?”>her: ”wait… what? can’t we just finger each other?”It seems like when women call themselves “bottoms,” they just mean they want you to take the lead in the bedroom or something like that, it has nothing to do with sex positions kek
No. 1923281
>>1923278yeah i think a lot of people just think "top" means taking the dominant role. it's especially prevalent in fandom where yiu'll see shit like "topping from the bottom" etc which makes no sense if you're just talking about who gets dicked
but i can see where sexually inexperienced people could get confused
No. 1923608
>>1923602it's a joke. I promise you Muslims are laughing at how absurd it is.
Maybe one or two British Muslims are butthurt