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No. 190218

Are Dissociative Identity Disorder or Multiple Personality Disorder real, or was Sybil a lying borderline? Continue the debate in this containment thread.

No. 190231

sage for blogpost BUT i have diagnosed DID.
it's a Real Thing, but multiple personalities are very very very rare - to the point there are very few case studies, and the ones that exist are massively controversial in the psych community because they usually have a lot of unorthodox and unethical psych practice attached to them (see the three faces of eve).
i highly doubt that any of these cows have the "popular" form of DID. but they might have the more common kind, like me - where you sort detach from your body and can't feel pain or anything at all for that matter (kind of like being on laughing gas).

No. 190239

>>190231
sorry to burst your bubble, cutie, but what you describe is a form of dissociation but not dissociative identity disorder itself. that word has identity in it, because - guess what - it's the whole identity that is broken down into new personalities.
that is not the "popular" form of DID, that is the only form of DID.

what you have is dissociative symptoms that most probably coerce with BPD.
but thanks for contributing to this thread, makes it even more clear about how this disorder is rare and misdiagnosed heavily.

No. 190240

>>190239
it's what it says in all my CAMHS correspondence and records, honeybun ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No. 190242

Nobody cares about you being a special snowflake and bragging to strangers about how special you are now that you've seen Sybil. Take it back to your dumbass Instagram spoonie community where you can get all the ass kissing you need

No. 190243

>>190240
>>190239
>>190240
>>190239
samefagging but yes i see what you mean about misdiagnosis - however it was explained to me by my treatment team that there was a "spectrum" of dissociation + dissociative behaviours within that diagnosis.

>>190242
ok? like i'm just offering an opinion. y'all don't even know who i am so it's not like i'm trying to get attention. reel in that rage.

No. 190244

DAMN IT. Check the fucking catalog you guys. We literally have a thread about just DID already!

No. 190246

>>190240
yeah, that's the main issue. in the diagnosis of every manual it clearly states, that there have to be at least two distinct personalities.
it's also easy to fake. if you want to fake it, mental health professionals either are too fascinated and thrilled they'll finally see such a rare case or they dont even doubt it, because what sane individual would trouble going to a professional and fake a mental illness there, right?

>>190244
tell that to OP. they lured us over from the spoonie thread.

edit: deleted youtube video linked

No. 190248

>>190244
jesus christ, youre utterly useless, arent you?

No. 190251

>>190243
You're almost guaranteed to be here after that nurse student who acts like she's 9 was tipped and not having your name here doesn't change the fact that you're here starting this bullcrap because you're getting attention out of it.

It's the most snowflakey thing you could have possibly picked out and a really stupid choice of place to brag about how rare and special you think you are. Reel in your ego my widdle sweetheart cupcake.

No. 190253

>>190251
i literally have no idea what you're talking about haha i didn't come from the spoonie thread. nice try tho

No. 190257

>>190253
Okay julie

No. 190263

>>190248
jesus christ, you dont know how to use a computer do you?

No. 190266

Nah it's not real. Literally every case of it was later reviled to have some sort of coaching/lying/other factor that was the source of the "other" personalities.

No. 190268

>>190239
Nice try honey, but DID is a spectrum with the extreme end having different personalities and the other end being dissociative as sage says she has.

No. 190269

>>190246
The Dissociative Spectrum

The dissociative spectrum (Braun, 1988) extends from normal dissociation to poly-fragmented DID. All of the disorders are trauma-based, and symptoms result from the habitual dissociation of traumatic memories. For example, a rape victim with Dissociative Amnesia may have no conscious memory of the attack, yet experience depression, numbness, and distress resulting from environmental stimuli such as colors, odors, sounds, and images that recall the traumatic experience. The dissociated memory is alive and active–not forgotten, merely submerged (Tasman & Goldfinger, 1991). Major studies have confirmed the traumatic origin of DID (Putnam, 1989, and Ross, 1989), which arises before the age of 12 (and often before age 5) as a result of severe physical, sexual, and/or emotional abuse. Poly-fragmented DID (involving over 100 personality states) may be the result of sadistic abuse by multiple perpetrators over an extended period of time.

No. 190270


No. 190271

>>190246
People with the more extreme end of DID have amnesic states and experience reality thru different personality states - sometimes being aware of these states, other times not.

DID is nearly just as prevalent as schizophrenia. DID has a 1% rate and schizophrenia has a 1.1% rate. I do not see any of you claiming schizophrenia is not real, but yet you claim DID is not real because of its low prevalence rate. So POP there goes your illogical bubble.

No. 190273

I will grant you that people on Instagram or YouTube or WTFever could have MBI. However, there are many more DID folks who do not go around putting it on public display. You would be shocked to learn just how many multiple peoples are high functioning - able to do jobs in the medical field or what have you.

So yeah, make fun of the idiots who have super heros for "alters" if you want - but here is the thing…. they could be multiple, or they could just have a some sort of mental illness along with some maladaptive coping skills. So either way you are fucking with people who are literally mentally ill… so WTF does that make y'all? (other than assholes that is)

No. 190274

Oh, and before you go quoting some bullshit troll site as your proof against DID can you just STFU and maybe at least use google scholar… if you can not find access to the peer reviewed articles give me the name and I can get access to them via my school internet library that gives me access to all those journals.

No. 190281

Okay but all this samefagging still isn't making you special.

No. 190282

>>190281
Sweetie, I do not need this site to make me special but I see you obviously do. I am a grown damn woman with two degrees about to start on my 3rd, so I am all good sunshine.

No. 190284

>>190269
this is a clear sign of someone not knowing a thing about mental disorders randomly rampaging the internet for a cool diagnoses to put on themselves.

wow, sucks to be you.
you just quoted something that backs up exactly what I told you and have written in here: >>190246

>The dissociative spectrum (Braun, 1988) extends from normal dissociation to poly-fragmented DID.

The dissociative spectrum does NOT mean that DID has a spectrum from mild to severe as autism has, but that there is a spectrum amongst dissociative disorders, of which DID is the most severe with multiple personalities and the mildest one being usual dissociation that even happens in healthy individuals (e.g. driving a car in trance and not remembering it after).

which is also why
>>190271
>People with the more extreme end of DID have amnesic states and experience reality thru different personality states - sometimes being aware of these states, other times not.
is complete bullshit. One of the main diagnostic criteria of DID is reoccurring amnesia throughout the whole life span, which happens in absolutely every case of DID. If you do not experience severe phases of amnesia during your daily life, you do not have DID. it's simple as that.

>>190274
there will be no peer-reviewed article about the disorder or the most plain things about it itself, if it isnt something new.

the disorder whatsoever is real, but as we can see here heavily misdiagnosed and there are at least as much people faking it. the epidemiology of 1% in the population is highly exaggerated. if you would do indepth research about the diagnoses (which reasearchers rarely do nowadays because it's cost and time expensive) and try to confirm the diagnoses this number would drop dramatically.

No. 190285

this is the only documentary to my knowledge genuinely picturing people with DID.

you can see how their speech patterns, mimics and hand writing change.

No. 190293

>>190284
Wow! Let me dumb this down for you. People on the mild end of DID do not necessarily experience the full blown amnesic states that those on the further end do. Spacing out for brief periods where you drive home without remembering it is a far fucking cry from missing a few hours, days, weeks, months, or years from one's life. I personally do not view the type of low DID where you space out while driving to be an amnesic state that causes distress or problems in one's life.

No. 190294

>>190285
So when someone has speech pattern changes, body changes, and handwriting changes then you would classify them as real? Good to know.

No. 190295

So a quick search in my school's library gave me "Search Results: 1 - 30 of 2,521" limited to only peer reviewed journal articles in the last 10 years… so try again

No. 190296

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>>190293
wow… how dense are you? read my text again, sweetheart.
it's no wonder you have trouble recognizing the difference between dissociation and DID or any other dissociative disorder, if you already have trouble to comprehend a short text of mine.

1) there is no "mild end" or "further end" of DID, there is no spectrum of DID, read what ive written above:
>The dissociative spectrum does NOT mean that DID has a spectrum from mild to severe as autism has

2) spacing out during a car drive was an example of a very mild form of dissociation, which is not viewed as patholocigal, as ive written here:
>and the mildest one being usual dissociation that even happens in healthy individuals (e.g. driving a car in trance and not remembering it after).

also:
>access to them via my school internet library
wow… that's really cute.
ive already have access through a university with 100.000 students, but thank you.

how about i fetch you some stuff, to understand the disorder you clearly not have nor understand anything of?

also I would advise you to change your mental health professional, because they clearly are absolutely incompetent.

No. 190298

>>190295
you are not able to comprehend longer sentences, are you?

>there will be no peer-reviewed article about the disorder itself or the most plain things about it

peer-reviewed articles are obliged to deliver new research. not something that is already known and written down in simple text books or diagnostic manuals.
go read the DSM-IV or DSM 5 or ICD10 with glossary and diagnostic criteria included.

No. 190300

>>190296
The dissociative spectrum includes dissociative disorder NOS as well as the other dissociative disorders.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/dissociative-disorders/what-are-dissociative-disorders

One one end you have the benign dissociative disorders and the spectrum ranges to DID. Many mental health Dx are now being viewed as a spectrum. For example, it is now being considered that bipolar and schizophrenia are part of the same spectrum. There is good research evidence to support this.

So YES, DID is a spectrum disorder. It is PART of the spectrum of DD.

No. 190301

>>190298

Did you miss the part that my search was ONLY for peer reviewed journal articles done in the last 10 years?

No. 190303

Dissociative amnesia, depersonalization, derealization, identity confusion, and identity alterations are core phenomena of dissociative psychopathology which constitute a single dimension characterized by a spectrum of severity. While dissociative identity disorder (DID) is the most pervasive condition of all dissociative disorders, partial representations of this spectrum may be diagnosed as dissociative amnesia (with or without fugue), depersonalization disorder, and other specified dissociative disorders such as subthreshold DID, dissociative trance disorder, acute dissociative disorders, and identity disturbances due to exposure to oppression.

No. 190304

>>190296
I'm not involved in this conversation, but are you baiting or some shit? You're being as inflammatory as possible for no reason, and saying stupid shit like
>there is no "mild end" or "further end" of DID, there is no spectrum of DID, read what ive written above:

When literally every single disorder comes in varying degrees of severity.

DID is no exception to this.

No. 190305

From the Harvard Review of Psychiatry:

"Conditions similar to DID but with less-than-marked symptoms (e.g., subthreshold DID) are classified among “other specified dissociative disorders"


Hmmm… so DID can in and of itself be a spectrum…. interesting

No. 190306

I'm a nurse and had a patient before with it, I believe it.

No. 190345

This hospital in the UK apparently treats DID
http://www.theretreatyork.org.uk/personality-disorder-therapeutic-environment.html
No wonder all the kids and munchies are latching on to this disorder

No. 190362

>>190345

There are several specialized trauma centers in my country that treat d.i.d and other less severe trauma patients too. D.I.D requires specialist care to fully work out because being systemically abused as a child and having repressed it is different then for example being raped once and developing PTSD. It's often seen that cluster B diagnosed people get put with heavier trauma patients and they see how such trauma needs a special treatment and form of bonding in therapy, and they flock to mimic the symptoms to get more attention. Very exhausting for professionals.

No. 190365

>>190362

Also forgot to add, the waiting list are very long. Treatment for d.i.d was estimated at 15-20 years. I've seen people who really needed help as soon as possible and they ended up committing suicide because of all the complications.

No. 190383

A lot of the bickering in this thread seems to be about terminology.

Instead of saying DID, since no one can agree what it is or isn't or if it's a spectrum or what that spectrum consists of, maybe we should just talk about whether people can really have a disorder whose symptoms include multiple distinct personalities? Since obviously that's a very different condition from simply having issues with dissociation/derealization/depersonalization.

No. 190386

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>>190383

Dissociative identity disorder is on the dissociative spectrum. It's one of the worst dissociative disorders. Because people can't get their facts straight doesn't mean it's not a real thing. Dissociation happens during many traumatic and less traumatic events, and can range from not noticing how quickly time had passed from to full on derealization and depersonalization.

No. 190387

>>190383

>maybe we should just talk about whether people can really have a disorder whose symptoms include multiple distinct personalities? Since obviously that's a very different condition from simply having issues with dissociation/derealization/depersonalization.


Differences between alters usually consist of different handwritings, clothes preferences, food preferences, sometimes physical symptoms such as brain activity. If you're really interested I added one of good books on D.I.D as .pdf format. https://www.docdroid.net/arPAtHT/van-der-hart-2006-the-haunted-self.pdf.html

If you're into well written heavy literature: https://www.amazon.com/Dialogues-Forgotten-Voices-Perspectives-Dissociative/dp/0465095739

No. 190390

So much samefagging.
Agreeing with yourself won't make anyone believe you're having a discussion with your fake "alters" op.

No. 190400

>>190305
>>190386
It is on a spectrum, but DID doesn't have a spectrum itself. Dissociative disorders have a spectrum and I never denied that. It's only DID if you have distinct personalities in a person and amnesia as main issue. I'm tired of repeating myself, so just Believe what you want to believe.

It might seem term picking but it is just as plain wrong as to E.g. Claim to have diabetes when all you have is unusual spikes of insulin. But I refrain from trying to discuss with special snowflake chan. It's useless. She wants to believe she has some sort of exotic severe disorder that makes her special and gives her a further excuse to not function in society and clinging on her secondary gain. It's much more fun than to admit she has bpd or plain old boring (for a spooning) ptsd. Do it OP. That doesn't make it anymore true.

No. 190407

>>190400
Samefag
Or as wrong as claiming to have cancer, when all you have is a benign tumor under your skin.

No. 190412

>>190386
jesus christ, can you at least read the stuff you post. that picture is showing "the spectrum of dissociative effects". how is that proving a spectrum of dissociative identity disorders.

also
>>190240
receipts!

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No. 190429

>>190422
how is anon baiting? they are right, it's just a weird chart about the apparent effects of dissocation with nearly every mental disorder plastered below. just because you go out of arguments doesnt mean it is bait.



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