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No. 1700596
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I am so fucking tired of women being held to the same standards as men in art. History has shown us women dont rape, kidnap, torture, and kill like men do, so why are women held at the same, if not higher standar than men?.
I will always be pro women drawing whatever the fuck they want, even if it's gross shit, same thing doesn't apply to men. If you think otherwise you are a retarded MRA that is desperately trying to pretend women are as bad as men. If women were as a bad as men we would have female jeffrey dahmer, women marrying little boys in middle eastern countries, men fearing going out late at night. I still stand that i would rather have a female shotafag artist than a female DDLG, Maledom, male-gaze artist. That bitch who wrote 50 shades did more damage to women than any female shotfag with 50 followers could do to boys. If women were as bad as men, as MRAs think, we would live in a more equal world, but we dont. Women fear men, men don't. Men are allowed to draw whatever disgusting shit they want and have a following, like mossa, women cant even draw a reverse harem gentle femdom webtoon without being called misandrist racists. The ''two wrongs dont make a right'' bullshit doesnt even make sense, because men make all the wrongs, yet women are the only ones paying for it. So yeah, I stand with women drawing whatever the fuck they want.
No. 1700672
>>1700644yeah, i think all male pedophiles should be shoot on sight, but i think women can like shota without being pedos, or if they do are they can get therapy and change. There is a reason why men commit 98% of crimes, even the trannies with ''uwu feminine brain'' still commit more sexual crimes than women. I don't believe men can change, they are all inherently inmmature perverted creatures. When i was 14-17 i was a huge shotafag, i obviously wasnt nor are a pedo, i just liked femdom and cute boys and there was NOTHING cattering to me, it was all either dorito chin bishies, roided freaks and tons and tons of maledom shit, and all the femdom was sissy shit or dominatrix women for scrotes. Eventually i grew out of it and started drawing my own shit, so from personal experience i can see why a woman would like shota without being a pedo. Men cant even get rejected by some girl without raging and going on a mass shooting spree, they are low iq creatures and i am honestly very offended i am getting put on the same level as the sex that pays to rape gorillas in makeup. I think female shotafags are either just into cute boys, or have been abused in some way or another, i dont think none are capable or harming anyone but themselves. Also, literally no woman is making a male version of lolita/taxi driver/pretty baby/leon the professional/gravure idols, so it's safe to say no woman has interest in the real thing, unlike moids.
No. 1700698
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>>1700688Have you looked into fantasy art nona? Many of the men pictured in painterly fairy pics are pretty and lithe without a lot of dorito face.
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>>1700690 I am not interested in 3dpd and western shows are shit. Videogames suffer a similar problem, too. Only dante and leon are attractive, although i hate their boring as fuck personalities, the rest are roided piggus, disgustingly old and realistic, or downright boring as fuck, so i intuitively end up liking the only fucking male characters in vidya that are allowed to have interesting cute personalities and designs, like pit/link/no9, who happen to be 'shotas'. Best example would be genshit, where there isnt a real ''shota'' equivalent, the ''shotas'' are on the same level as the flat girls, then it jumps straight into boring bishies and muscle pigs
>>1700697how about you recommend something then
>>1700698that's really fucking ugly, reminds me of those ai pictures where they turn the long haired fag from berserk into a 3DPD
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>>1700704Small genshin boys are a cute but don't you dare call Griffith a fag
No. 1700716
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>>1700704Why so hostile,
nonnie? And Genshin character designs are terrible. There is no variety at all. It's all over-designed, tropey garbage. If you are only looking for anime-style games, then of course anything outside of that style will be ugly to you. Personally, I like cute boys so I look at a lot of final fantasy and kingdom hearts fanart. There's also chinese video games(not genshin) that I play that feature lots of cute, feminine men. You just need to expand your horizons.
>>1700713Before a couple months ago, people were actually against shota here. Most of the talk wasn't even about nonsense like this and had many recognizable cows.
No. 1700729
>>1700726i just think they are boring
>>1700727why are you so mad at me? you asked why a person not into 3DPD would be into shota characters and i answered, you didnt like my answer and started sperging about it when i didnt inmmediately like the things you recommended, which were the same things i was complaining about. Men have a bazillion pieces of media to choose from, so them gravitationg towards a generic loli instead of some anime girl with the same personality that's not a loli is more telling than someoe with extremely limited options to choose from.
No. 1700733
>>1700725Never said I liked Sora in particular. And I'm not sperging, you literally said
>how about you recommend something then>>1700729Nta but I'm
>>1700675 The person you're responding to is not me. People are just saying you're options aren't limited. It just sounds like you only like characters that look like shotas, which if thats the case, then just own it.
No. 1700740
>>1700733i just like cute male characters and there are fucking none, i already spent my teenage years hoping from idolshit for women, to shoujo, to sports anime to no avail. I do like ensemble stars, though, probably the only gacha for women i actually do enjoy the art and character's personalities, probably because it feels like a genderbent version of something like im@s.
>>1700735i already do, this all started because anon asked why someone that's not a pedophile would be into shota, i answered from someone who doesnt like 99% of male characters. I even used to watch harem shit for moids like onegai teacher because it was the only type of anime willing to make cute submissive male characters.
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Forgive me if this has been talked about but I keep seeing zoomers say they’re going to steal or take inspiration from ai art. Fuck ai art it’s equally as retarded but they really think they’re owning aifags with “stealing” the already shit designs and drawing their own shit art. Zoomers do the same shit with artists that are “problematic”, yeah i’m sure the creator of Ranfren is offended a 14 year old is claiming her OCs as their own. Lazy uncreative little shit heads that want shortcuts to the simplest shit, if you want inspiration open a fucking magazine or book or google images. Or go outside, I saw a cool ass old man with a parrot on his shoulder today and my mind was teeming with ideas from him.
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>>1700799There was a whole google doc callout but that's gone now but retarded ass shit. I could only find a doc from a fan that's responding to the callout but here's just my shitty rundown based on it.
>drawing the character Nyen completely pitch black therefore it's blackface>art of an ouija board with a swastika on it>one of the characters has a the same sweatshirt as nevada-tan>using the n word in some way>drawing racist "ratmen" asian stereotype characters, but were supposedly instead inspired by a mouse Touhou character>something to do with pedo or incest art?>retweeting porn of Randal>drawing pedobear>the character nana's design is transphobic No. 1700887
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>>1700832Samefag I dug through a Twitter thread and found more including a Russian translation of the original doc that's still up so I'll just screencap some of the shit. She posted or reblogged an image of a memorial for the bodies of native Canadian children found, in between two posts about yaoi shit. She also reblogged gore art of Randal. Isn't she a Russian of course she's had edgy humor. Never let your art pander or be attractive to zoomies anons.
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>>1700887>Never let your art pander or be attractive to zoomies anons.Reminds me of another dumb tiktok/twitter drama involving zoomers and a google document.
No. 1700910
>>1700905what happened
nonny? what did she/he do to deserve a fucking 114 manifesto
No. 1700922
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>>1700910Except for a couple of things, the 'controversies' are very silly in my opinion. Typical zoomer behavior. But hey, at least she's not drawing lolicon or shotacon.
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>>1700917Thank you anon! This is amazing, I never thought I would see a furry artist respond to angry callouts from bored kids with screenshots from Talking Angela, or people mad because they think he's drawn incest art of Where's My Water characters. These kids got the wrong ages of the Talking Tom characters because they thought the age of the app Google gives you is the age of the character, that's how retarded TikTok kids are. To be completely honest though, he (she?) completely set himself up for this by posting on TikTok so I don't feel bad at all. You draw a bunch of lewd images and porn of characters zoomers will recgonize and be nostalgic for, on an app well known for it's young userbase, don't be surprised if they start chimping out over it.
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>>1700922wow i am not even half-way through it and this makes me so mad. This poor woman got tons of shit for absolutely no fucking reason. I wonder why this happens? Mossa draws loli guro openly and he's still respected by the twitter community, meanwhile this poor girl cannot draw a fucking shitpost comic of some blob and a cocodrile without being called a pedo. Why is it always women, or artists that draw a content targetted at women, being called out and targetted?
No. 1700960
>>1700908The trick is to not give a fuck. Online harassers are like animals: they can smell weakness.
Someone accuses you of being a zoophile? Laugh at them. Someone calls you a pedo? Oh, fuck off. And so on.
Oddly enough, it works.
No. 1700988
>>>/ot/1700040Did you hear it from that guy who draws PASWG style street fighter fan art?
>>>/ot/1699849His works make my blood boil.
No. 1701085
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>>1700792It started with referencing is ok. Then straight up copying is ok because no one owns anything. Then using 3D models/assets or photobashing everything is ok. Then tracing is ok. Then using premade brushes to stamp hands and eyes like you're Tim Buckley is ok. Now AI is ok as long as you act ironic about it, kek.
Not necessarily against most of these things it's just funny and I wonder how far it will go. Artists have never been more apable to learn and stunted by shortcuts and lazy tricks at once.
No. 1701407
>>1701294anon is probably deeply retarded and thinks the rise of ''female'' predators is actual women and not trannies. Female predators arent ''getting away'' with being predators, that's just a MRA lie. Female predators are treated even worse than male predators, that's why female shota artists get called out more than loli male artist and why
>>1700917 got called a pedo for a shitty comic
No. 1701506
>>1700908I am just too much of a loner to socialize much so nobody even knows I am female.
Uploading fanart since 2006, never had a call out.
No. 1701509
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>>1701498It worked though. Which leads me to wonder if it is worth having that many followers even if they are all zoomies.
No. 1701519
>>1700917Everytime I see people posting such accusations it's fucking instagram, which attracts IMO the same brainlets as tiktok. The central issue of both places is that they are much, much more mainstream and casual than other, more fandom centered places. Even twitter is way, waaaay more fandom centered than these places. Twitterfags are mostly hybrids with a political and a fandom oriented side. Instagrammers and tiktokers are just fullblown normalfags that don't even have a concept of fandom.
Artist is mainly a fujo I know. She's drawing sfw shipping art, mostly of Optimus and Megatron or some anime. Complaints I see a lot are "Why?", "BUT THIS IS A CARTOON!?!?", "Why are you showing me this".
This not only reveals that they don't know what a fandom or shipping is, they are also not aware of what algorithms are, since they are often asking shit like "Why do you want to show me this?", not understanding that it's not the artist that chooses to make a pic appear on some rando's timeline.
In short, it's stupid normalfags. This is why those places are shit since they throw all types of people together that should never meet.
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>>1701509i'm really curious to know where he's from
i legit believe gringos give more shit to foreign artist than they do their own. The exception is like, idk shitty discord servers with "inclusive" retards that eventually dox eachother over saying the wrong thing
but even them i feel like a lot of them HAVE to cover for eachother when they fuck up due to their contradictory and vague silent rules, otherwise they would have like fifty callouts each
No. 1701550
>>1701526This is 100% the case but it’s not a matter of foreigner vs non foreigner, people just love dogpiling. I explicitly remember one of the morons shitting on an artist for drawing a spiderverse character with “too light” skin later retweeting and praising ugly fanart (that their friend drew) of Zoro from One Piece with neon lemon yellow “racist caricature” tier skin. Both instances boil down to a matter of stylization but only one person gets a 10 million likes quote tweet callout for racism. It’s all arbitrary bullshit they want to play
victim with. If someone they like does it, it doesn’t matter.
No. 1701644
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>>1701642being a shotafag saved me from being groomed when i was a tween. If i were one of those DDLG/maledom freaks like most of my classmates were(some who were groomed) i would 100% have been groomed too. That's why i would rather women be shotafreaks than maledom/ddlg freaks/male-gaze artist. Realize how the hatred t's always towards women drawing gore/shota, never towards the women drawing bdsm/male-gaze art/ddlg/maledom shit, which has actually hurt people irl(women) and is way more normalized and accepted than women into shota, which are like one in a bazillion.
No. 1701674
Also there's shota art that's just a youthful boy but otherwise not infantalized. And then there's just shota content that is specifically about getting off to them being minors.
>>1701664Kek I don't like them too. Anons were just shitting on a pickme woman artist in the previous thread.
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>>1701678how is gore different than shota? the absolute stacy drawing toilet dio isnt going to go turn men into human toilets, just like how yana toboso isnt going to go rape children. Women are capable of drawing the most heinous shit and not commit crimes. Men cant even play fucking videogames without getting their wires crossed and shooting people.
>>1701674that doesnt change my point, one is way more popular than the other, one has actually hurt women, the other has like one anime(kuroshitsuji), and it's the least popular fetish amongst female artists. Pic rel is miles worse than a female shotafag, actually encourages abuse, and has 200k followers.
No. 1701688
>>1701644I don't think getting exposed to shota as a tween completely saved you from anything. That shit shouldn't be exposed to kids until they fully develop their brains in the first place.
>>1701684>that doesnt change my point, one is way more popular than the other, one has actually hurt women, the other has like one anime(kuroshitsuji), and it's the least popular fetish amongst female artists. Pic rel is miles worse than a female shotafag, actually encourages abuse, and has 200k followers.Then I suppose you're not really complaining about nonas shitting on shota here but more so the general culture. Again, I don't like them either. Though it's not the time for whataboutism. I firmly believe something's wrong, either with yourself or the culture you live in, once you start associating mutilating humans as a sexual thing whether you're a woman or a moid, whether you act on it or not.
Again, I'm not gonna mail your president to stop you from making that content if that floats your boat. I don't know about other anons, but my goal posting this is, if not to convince you, then others lurking to change their minds about it.
No. 1701705
>>1701688>I don't think getting exposed to shota as a tween completely saved you from anythingbelieve it or not, it did. I used to expend most of my time on fb groups for retro games and anime so ended up developing friendships with older teens and men at 14, they would try to groom me and i would just respond ''ewww noo you arent my qte shota husbandoru!!!'''. If i was into ddlg shit i would have definetly been groomed into finding older men attractive and romantic, as many classmates my age did. I literally rejected all those faggots not because i realized how predatory it was, but because they werent my cute shota husbando(at the time), kek. I love you Kenny, thanks for saving me from gross men.
>I firmly believe something's wrong, either with yourself or the culture you live in, once you start associating mutilating humans as a sexual thing whether you're a woman or a moid, whether you act on it or not.we are talking about fetishes, if you have any fetish there is something inherently wrong with you, normie couples have missionary once a month out of commitment for a reason. I never said guro wasn't wrong, just saying a woman drawing guro/shota is miles better than a pickme glorifying how her boyfriend abuses her, the latter has real life consequences, whereas the shota/gurofag isnt going to go murder men and rape children.
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Just found someone charging $90 for editing pokemon sprites, if I knew people are open to spent that much on them when I was 12 I would've gotten rich kek I used to do sprite edits all the time.
The only ok thing on this sheet are the portraits since they seem made fully from scratch, but that price tag is still too big considering their size and limited colors.
No. 1701839
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>>1700905They were calling this CP? I'm out lol
No. 1701903
>>1701644it's one thing to consume lolisho when you're a kid and eventually grow out of it when you become and adult. it's a phase.
what people are trying to say here is that if you're an adult woman who's still into lolisho then you're a gross degen because you should've grown out of it ages ago and even though you're not acting on it you're still getting off to/attracted by the representation of a child which is fucked up at the very least.
No. 1701926
>>1701802>>1701885no, i just hate you people jumping to say ''omg you are as bad as men, double standars!!!'' like retarded MRAs. I am not even a shotafag, i just defend women drawing whatever they like, and if freaks like
>>1701684 are allowed to draw their disgustign shit, so should the 2 or 3 female shotafags and guro artists. I am just putting it in perspective, and female shotafags are genuinely the lesser evil when people like the author of 50 shades is given the green light to make it a movie. I repeat, more women have died thanks to pickme behaviour being pushed by media, than any child or male has been hurted by shota/gurofags. I will stop surporting female shota/gorefags when people stop defending bdsm art as ''a kink''. Until then, men deserve to be cosified too.
>>1701896everyone else was into bishies so idk. kenny is canonically like 9 and when he was my husbando i was 14/15. do you think that agegap IRL would be normal? I just liked cute boys, shrimple as.
>>1701903do you think yana toboso is a pedo? some women just like to draw cute boys, nothing wrong with that. Men drawing loli are 100% perverts, though.
No. 1701955
>>1701946>why not project those feelings onto a grown up version of your husbando.that's retarded, imagine if moids cared this much about some character's age. Most waifufags have waifus that are at most 15. At this point i have realized that no matter how you sugarcoat it, as long as you are female or drawing female gaze art you are going to be nitpicked to death like
>>1701839 . So why not just say ''fuck it'' and do whatever we want, like moids? we are going to get judged more harshly anyways, so might as well just rip the bandaid and own it.
No. 1701996
>>1701975i will genuinely only start caring for female shotafags when
1-people, specially women, stop justifying BDSM as a safe kink
2-mainstream media stops pushing gross maledom shit to women(fuck literally all romance shojo shit)
3-men actually start being scared of women and not only use the ''female teacher pedo'' boogeyman when they are trying to justify women being totes as evil as men
4-women stop being called out for the dumbest of shist that moids do on the dozen
until then, female shotafags drawing south park boys kissing is the lesser evil and hold less risk to safety than some pickme retard glorifying her boyfriend treating her like shit and saying to men ''see? women LIKE being choked!!''. If being considered worse than a shotafag helps a pickme stop drawing male pandering shit that actually hurt women, then so be it.
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>>1702022>women have common sense to call out degeneracyexcept they dont, women never call out actual pedos or men drawing disgusting shit, they call out other women drawing mildly degen shit that's harmless. I don't care if pickme retards feel morally superior for calling out a girl drawing south park yaoi, i will always side with the south park fujo. Mossacannabis has 300k followers, where is his cancellation? but nah, those retards would rather cancell the ranfren TIF for drawing swastikas or that webtoon chick for drawing gentle femdom.
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Could you recommend any low cost screen recording program? I'd like to record small snippets of how I draw hair or something. But my computer is shit and lags when I'm using heavy record software.
Extra points if the software have editing tools aswell
No. 1702044
>>1702029>>1702035Women call out other women because they are women spaces. Women don't follow these gross men, only other men do
>>1702036OBS is free and you can control the size of your screen, so you can crop it to certain parts of your canvas if you'd like
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>>1701802You have been at this for like, days now kek, let it rest you obsessed sperg.
No. 1702060
>>1701955Fair enough. It's still weird to thirst over fictional little boys because pedophilia is so normalized and partaking in something adjacent doesn't fix the problem? Pedophile men also lack a gender preference because their "attraction" is just destruction of innocence, so they'll probably get off to some nerdy girl's South Park fics too. But I agree that men drawing lolisho will always be worse, and that BDSM is inherently
abusive.
No. 1702075
>>1702067Tell your mutuals then that they're supporting someone like him. I'm not saying women don't commonly call out other women while not calling out men, but I'm just saying there are reasons why. And e-thots who cosplay underage anime girls suck, but women don't have enough power to callout the men who make them in general. Also, your posts are incredibly obvious because of your capitalization, nona.
>>1702071>>1702069You guys are right in that cancel culture doesn't apply to men. Women are easier targets because they have less power than men. But I still think both should be called out rather than just focusing on one or the other. I don't get why people are whining that women call out other women instead of men, when they should focus on just calling everyone out instead. Sure, this is the artist salt thread where you're meant to be salty about it, but it's redundant to see everyone say the same five things over and over without discussing any ways to fix it
No. 1702086
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So, who is going to do the mossacannibalism call out post? I have access to his baraag and can provide screenshots, but I don't have twitter because I only publish on pixiv.
No. 1702089
>>1702078Minus8 did that one disgusting Ankha animation right. Maybe I've been living under a rock but what does EPI mean?
>>1702080I can name so many sick fuck male artists who get away with vile shit. It just confirms that callout culture in art/fandom spaces is a misogyny problem; it is only used to harass and silence women who were often
victims of grooming themselves, once they hit the male-established expiration date where it is no longer socially acceptable for women artists to have a platform.
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>>1702075you read my post about women cancelling thots for cosplaying kanna, while making excuses about the original source(made by a man) being totes wholesome and your conclusion is ''yeah, the thots suck!!''. You are the problem,
nonny. People are complaining becaue only women are being called out, and not even for real reasons, just retarded nitpicks. Or do you seriously think the ranfren TIF did anything seriously bad to get cancelled over? c'mon, you are just justifying women gettig harassed, i have never seen a callout towards a woman be anything but nitpicks like drawing a brown character one shade lighter or some other equal retarded shit. Does anyone remember this girl? she got harassed for ''cultural appropiation'' to the point she deleted her account at some point. Imagine if twitterfaggots actually harassed lolifags with this much determination.
>>1702086kek, literally no one is going to give a shit. People probably already know, it's not a well-kept secret.
No. 1702096
>>1702075>women don't have enough power to callout the men who make them in general>cancel culture doesn't apply to men>women are easier targets because they have less power than menYou're literally agreeing with them. If men get called out, people stop giving a fuck after 5 minutes and they still have loyal fans. Just look at men like Projared, or ZeRo (zerowondering) who admitted to sexting with and asking a 14 year old girl for nudes, left the internet, then backtracked 6 months later and said he never did it. They'll never reach their old success levels, but a lot of people don't give a fuck. If women get called out, everyone they knows goes scorched earth. It's the same reason why MtFs get millions of asspats everywhere they go, but nobody gives a fuck about FtMs. These women who call out other women for drawing shitty South Park yaoi but not freaky pedophile men who use literal CP as references because they are misogynistic handmaidens. Even if a woman wanted to call out somebody like Mossa, they'd be drowned out by his loyal coomers and pickmes. I also routinely see popular female artists (such as niceupdog) make vague posts about hating loli while regularly interacting with male artists who draw explicit loli porn of 10 year olds. I don't understand how the cognitive dissonance doesn't give them an aneurysm.
Just look at this from the last thread:
>>1697604>>1699034She said no NSFW and he drew softcore porn of her anyways. Do you really think it's worth it for her to tell him to stop and get his followers sicc'd on her, and possibly have her own followers turn on her?
No. 1702098
File: 1695152276749.png (Spoiler Image,1 MB, 1280x1512, eahKilA.png)
>>1702089EPI is coomerspeak for Early Porn Introduction aka the fetish for exposing children to porn. Minus8 is a popular artist for because of his simple, colorful style and obsession with Nintendo and other younger-skewing media. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with blending cute and sexy, but his jarringly kawaii pedoshit is the visual equivalent of a van full of candy.
No. 1702106
>>1702100Remember that at the end of the day, loli, shota, zoo or anything 'degenerate' is ultimately just pixels on a page that have never hurt or groomed a single real person. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either miserable or jealous. You are
valid for using porn to cope, and your favorite artists support your choice of self-medication. There is no such thing as a porn addiction.
(bait/unintegrated) No. 1702111
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>>1702106women arent doing this shit, it doesn't matter how much you try to compare male degeneracy to female degeneracy. We both know female shotafags arent drawing something as heinous as shadman/minus8/mossa, it's unfair to compare men drawing lolis raped and shred to pieces then urinated to…this. That's why i defend the right for women to draw whatever they want, not shota specifically. I know women aren't capable of ever doing something as hideous as shadman unless they are pickme retards.
No. 1702115
>>1702092>>1702111We get it, women get called out more, shota is good and you like it but you're also not a shotacon, what else can we do about it or are you just going to keep complaining to complain
>>1702096Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with them, I'm just wondering why this point keeps getting brought up but remains stunted. Women tend to call out other women because (like many people on this imageboard for some reaosn), they're also more ingrained in "fandom culture" and talk about fandoms and art like it's politics. They take things too serious. But about the girl, she should mention that and his 100s of loli drawings. She could also mention him being a stonetoss supporter. There's many things, but I agree it would probably do more harm than good to her. Which sucks, because this should be considered sexual harassment to draw NSFW of the likeness of a real person without their consent.
>>1702106>There is no such thing as a porn addiction.What is this grand psyop kek
No. 1702119
>>1702115>We get it, women get called out more, shota is good and you like it but you're also not a shotacon, what else can we do about it or are you just going to keep complaining to complainthis board can be so dumb sometimes, i could repeat everything i say three times in bold letters and retards are going to misunderstand it anyways. I will repeat my points one last time. Women=/=men. Shota made by men=pedophilia, shota made by women=just cute boy shit like south park yaoi. BDSM/maledom/male gaze is worse than shota drawn by women, as it has actually hurt people(women) IRL. No, i dont condone all shota. No, i am not a shotafag, when i was a shotafag i was watching kuroshitsuji and southpark fanmedia(made by women), not boku no pico(made by men). Women never get called out for real
problematic stuff, it's always dumb shit no one cares. Men never get called out and are allowed a massive following(even by industry pros) when they draw heinous stuff. People, specially some women, will make excuses to defend obvious moid shit(dragon maid) but then go harass women for doing the same thing(lardasses cosplaying kanna). From experience i am glad i grew up liking shota rather than misogynistic propaganda(kaichou wa maid sama, for example).
No. 1702124
>>1702119I agree with these points, and maybe others itt too but don't realize it yet. The whole infighting/callouts between women making
problematic art feels like a smokescreen to deflect from men who are doing actual awful shit.
>>1702120Probably but it came across as earnest or baity.
No. 1702372
>>1702152I can literally sperg all day about how ass procreate is yet everyone is treating it like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I hate how slippery the brushes are and how reliant it is on finicky hand gestures. people think they're hot shit for using such a weak ass program on an overpriced piece of machinery that can't even save files normally.
I also don't like how big professional artists touted it as being so accessible because it's "only $15" and people get suckered into buying an $800 piece of scrap metal and a shitty stylus just to say they have procreate and can draw with it.
But I think the thing I hate the most about it is how inundated we are now with 'procreate girlies' drawing shitty generic merch and making dumb tutorials on 'how to start an art/sticker business with procreate' making other, better resources harder to find.
There are way better free options out there and you can pry paint tool SAI and clip studio (though they're on thin fucking ice at the moment) from my cold dead hands. Fuck Procreate, and fuck iOS.
No. 1702407
>>1702395Nowhere did I state Clip Studio was free. I swear, the reading comprehension is at an all time low.
It's good that it works for you, nona. It's the salt thread and I'm allowed to be salty about an art program. You don't need to come to its defense.
No. 1702421
>>1702407Except everything you are saying is completely wrong.
>I hate how slippery the brushes areThen adjust them
>how reliant it is on finicky hand gestures.I've never used the gestures because any program that requires this, including phones, is garbage, so don't use it. It is not reliant on it at all, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's an accessibility option.
>how inundated we are now with 'procreate girlies' drawing shitty generic merchYou mean every single art program that anyone can use to create such merch
You just sound mad for some reason. These aren't critiques you think they are. You can have an opinion, but not when you're being personally mad about even something as simple as accessibility for people who could use it. Do you always use the talk-to-text on your phone? No, because you probably don't need that accessibility.
No. 1702479
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What are some mangas with incredible inking?
No. 1702487
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>>1702479Another one I like. I realized I prefeer when mangakas use more western techniques.
No. 1702687
>>1702372Don't know why the procreate platoon decided to show up and get mad at you, but I agree. It's garbage, and even if you do turn up the smoothing on brushes, the bounciness of each lines feel clunky to work with for me. I much prefer Clip Studio Paint and Sai to Procreate. Somehow, I even prefer photoshop over it due to all the filtering you're able to do.
>>1702612What does this have to do with thinking pedoshit is bad for either gender?
No. 1702731
>>1702687They came outta the woodwork after I shared a sentiment on procreate and proceeded to come to its defense because I don't like it. Feels like twitter behavior, but I'm not going to entertain it any further than that.
has anyone here tried bluesky for art? i don't have one and I'm sick of moving from one shitty platform to another but i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with it so far.
No. 1702740
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the new lol character literally a restrained girl. what the fuck. of course, people are already drawing her lewd and shit.
No. 1702750
>>1702740I actually like the idea of a restrained monster girl.
But it's not what she is. They went 200% coomer bait with her. She is a 1000 years old vampire underage loli who walks by swaying her butt, moves by showing her feet, and has a cringe "uwu" personality. I really dislike her because she's wasted potential.
No. 1702760
>>1702750This. The pose and face they chose for her tells it all.
They could have made her a guy but men wouldn't be interested in that
No. 1702852
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>>1702754Maybe cause it’s made 100% digitally now? Stuff like that can make some art look stiff in my opinion
No. 1702862
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>>1702853It's a yt short, of course it has 2M views. Pic rel are their most viewed shorts vs their most viewed videos.
No. 1702879
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>>1702479I think the best example of Eastern and western comic inking styles mixing is kotteri
No. 1703273
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>>1702479It's a little scrotey but Ran to Haiiro no Sekai.
No. 1703320
>>1703308Arguable. Major spoilers for the story
The doctor moid becomes the big bad and dies but the japanese fans and maybe the author has such a soft spot for him because he keeps getting drawn in romantic AUs with the girl kek.
No. 1703689
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>>1702749>>1703365it's by ohishi masaru, sadly his manga doesnt seem to be translated anywhere
No. 1703759
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The wildly different arms are sending me. I hope the commissioner gets a refund kekw.
No. 1703847
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>>1703278Anon.. how could you do this.
No. 1703855
>>1701839Did the alligator bite off his penis or is thr blob female? I’m confused
>>1702092I didn’t know she left the internet. Her work was a cool interpretation of Native Americans and I remember some actual natives stuck up for her.
>>1702408You can import Photoshop brushes to Procreate anon
>>1702487What are Western inking techniques compared to Eastern? I don’t ink but the mage manga you posted has been a fun read. Watching her ink traditionally makes me jealous.
No. 1704793
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>>1704791Samefag I forgot the picture kek
No. 1705787
File: 1695524510946.jpeg (1.07 MB, 1170x1843, IMG_5189.jpeg)
Drawing an irl teenage girl as an instagram baddie is so bleak
No. 1705911
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Does anyone know of more artists that post their studies?
pic rel is by @Af_Cf_
No. 1705932
So Michie/Twisted Disaster made a new update video and as per usual, she says some ridiculous shit and being melodramatic. I notice that in EVERY update/video she does, she always feels the need to talk about how something traumatic happened to her, how her previous year was "just awful" and waffle on taking forever to get to a point and thinking she's "uwu quirky" while doing it. One of the stupidest things she says in this video is her actually feeling the need to bitch and lecture her viewers that if you become a freelance artist, you can't quality for unemployment. No fucking shit, who the fuck actually believes that you would be able to get on unemployment as a freelance artist. She also calls herself a professional freelance artist and I have to wonder if "professional" is even accurate. The bitch takes forever to finish commission work that can span for year waits and while she does do artist alley at cons, I just have a hard time believing that she has swarms of people lining up to buy her derpy-tier looking merch. I just don't know if I would personally call her a "professional" but maybe I'm just being petty.
Another annoying thing she said in the video was how she said she doesn't like asking for things when it's like, I just don't believe that. I can believe that she probably doesn't like asking for things directly but I feel like she's one of those people who just tries to be boy when she wants something and tries to plant the seed in her much younger friend's heads.
On that note, I've been thinking that aside from Holly Brown, most of her friends are barely entering their 20s (and seem to mostly be troons), I can't help but feel that reflecting on her old video about toxic friendships where she mentioned that she realized her friends from school that she grew up with were all "toxic" and "horrible", I can't help but wonder if maybe she was the one projecting and that she can't handle being around people her age because they won't be as likely to be afraid to call her out on her lazy ways. That they won't tell her what she wants to hear and can even be blunt but to her, that just means they're being "mean".
It's just something I started to think more about after watching a few of her streams and hearing how her much younger friends treat her with this air of naivete and not being as blunt about things. Well with the exception of her TIF/Troon friend "Swayer" who clearly acts like an asshole in a pathetic ploy to come off more like a man. Anyway sorry for blogpost, I just find TD to be an enigma kek.
No. 1706025
File: 1695556362203.jpg (Spoiler Image,915.57 KB, 4096x3638, kisaniyav.JPG)
>one of tomatomagica’s recent artworks
I don’t get it, is this not a loli…? I guess I just assumed she’d hate this kind of stuff
No. 1706031
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>>1701684Semi related but I can’t stand this artist. Her whole identity is just being a pickme, and built her entire following around being an internet shut-in’s dream gf. I honestly wonder if her bf emotionally abuses her, since all of her shit comes off as a massive cope + needing validation from other men.
No. 1706057
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>>1706046WAIT this is her old art?! holy shit i have hope then, kek. Interesting how she went from tumblirina steven universe disney mix to something that could easily pass as the art of some professional japanese illustrator. I wonder how it happened, her old art is so…western…looking.
No. 1706059
>>1706056internalized misogyny
(forgot to sage)
No. 1706074
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>>1706031>>1706056I can fix her.
Also, ironically, women eat this shit up too. Yes pic rel is a meme. But it just shows how huge the couple market is for pickmeish #relatable content.
No. 1706076
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How can I improve at form drawing and perspective? I'm doing these exercises where I do crossectional drawings of simple household objects and I'm really struggling with them, I never know how wide the circles should be
No. 1706082
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>>1706076like here. how do I know what the size of the base should be? or is it a matter of just practicing until you get a sense for it?
No. 1706370
File: 1695588152124.jpg (238.62 KB, 750x712, comic.jpg)
>>1706031>>1706257Total tinfoil but I keep wondering if the boyfriend is real or just a character she made up to build her comics around, since that’s basically her entire online brand. She’s posted photos of herself, but never anything with him. I get exaggerating some moments for humor/clout, but sometimes I just can’t believe stuff like picrel lol
No. 1706552
>>1706535I love drawing hot demon guys. A good source to practice is michael stokes' photos. Watch out if you venture too far you'll eventually find NSFW but on the surface it's just suggestive muscular men, 11/10.
Have fun with your journey nona
No. 1706617
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delusion
No. 1706961
>>1706552interesting, guess i'll be drawing amputee porn with this then
>>1706642thank you although i really do not want to see the buttsecks if i can avoid it
No. 1706979
>>1706961Found this croquis channel that's focused on male poses, hope it helps
nonny.
No. 1707127
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>>1705911I rly like following @pikatstudies! Even tho she’s a programmer at Riot! she still takes art classes and continues to build her portfolio thru her studies.
No. 1707352
File: 1695680123162.jpg (51.01 KB, 623x287, 20230925_160648.jpg)
Luxesbytes/vani is at it again but this time on bluesky. What a fucking idiot.
Did she think that because it's invite only she could dump her twitter and leave like nothing happened?
>calls herself kid.
>is in her mid 30s, nearly 40 kek
No. 1707382
File: 1695681754564.jpg (257.1 KB, 1500x1125, IMG-20200202-195112.jpg)
I love his art. I still have a beat up little book of his that I got when I was 13 and treasured so much
No. 1707718
>>1707198It's a lot easier to be creative within a frame, so give yourself a more narrow frame to work within. Instead of having a vague idea like "maybe I'll draw a summery girl" you make up specifics like "a blonde girl in a long dress eating ice cream while leaning up against her bicycle".
If that's also too hard to come up with, take a photo or artwork you like and make something derivative of it. Copy the pose or vibe but imagine it in a different context and outfit that you like better. Drawing "for yourself" doesn't have to mean "100% from my own brain" it could just mean making cute fanart of something you like.
No. 1707881
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Have you nonas seen the recent discussions on twitter about this weird webcomic called Sinfest? It's drawn by a man and used to be a daily comedic strip until he discovered terf talking points, which lead to its downfall according to prior fans of it. It seems like an insane rabbithole to go into, all the panels that I've seen shared don't resemble anything like a plot kek
No. 1707883
>>1707881It has
terf talking points but mostly the poster "white right wing" with super religious undertones. It's odd, is the author even white himself?
No. 1707909
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>>1707883Right, it seems to me like he went from radfem points into alt-right shit and I haven't seen enough to get a feeling for what is going on in his brain and if he's even thinking about the real world or just too terminally online and wrapped up in delusions. It's also interesting how this comic has changed, in the beginning it was very different
No. 1707912
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>>1707909Random old comic I saw. Apparently these are the MCs but I don't really care to read more about it kek
No. 1707913
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>>1707881>>1707889>>1707909While he's an extreme case, he's not unheard of. A lot of formerly left-leaning people switching to the populist right after the mainstream liberal gaslighting regarding addressing troon issues. Their logic being, "if they're being dishonest about this issue, then they are likely lying about everything." A lot of radfems and socialist in general are falling down this pipeline as well, I'm talking about life long communists praising Tucker Calrson. for e.g Kajsa Ekman (who wrote an excellent book regarding the state of prostitution and how it functions in Europe), but at the same time, she retweets and posts literal Russian propaganda and thinks Putin is justified in invading Ukraine.
No. 1707921
>>1707881Damn, I remember Sinfest before the author went down the radfem rabbithole. It was mostly just silly gag a day shit and was alright but I never really followed it. Then one day he started a whole plot about how the patriarchy is like the Matrix. That's when his fans turned on him. It also pretty much consumed every aspect of the comic and he started doing overarching plots and increasing the scope two fold, completely abandoning any semblance of humor or lightheartedness.
Really reminds me of an Dave Sim in a way considering both fell into radical rabbit holes (but Sim went the opposite route) and both are what I'd consider quite talented artists.
No. 1707956
File: 1695745028069.jpg (191.33 KB, 697x1280, comic1.jpg)
I think the Sinfest comics have been really on point.
No. 1707957
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No. 1707967
File: 1695746370094.jpg (146.06 KB, 1250x423, 2023-09-08.jpg)
This one is good also.
No. 1707970
File: 1695746553654.jpg (157.61 KB, 1250x423, 2023-08-31.jpg)
No. 1707973
File: 1695746984783.jpg (145.27 KB, 1250x423, 2023-08-14.jpg)
Forgot to include the best one based on that arrest of the autistic girl in the UK who told a police officer "You look like my lesbian grandma" and they dragged her out the house crying and screaming to put her in jail.
No. 1708179
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Artists are so entitled and whiny. This is why you are being replaced with AI lmao
No. 1708215
>>1708148Yeah, I've built my art presence on instagram, I don't have like 1k followers or anything, but I have a small circle of "regulars" who always like and comment on my stuff. I also engaged a lot with posting stories and talking to my followers a bit. I put myself out there and was able to get some commissioners, though I haven't been as active recently. Luckily, I did get that golden client where they can't draw themselves and want you to draw their OCs all the time kek. He's great.
I did get commissioned by this scrote to draw nsfw, but it was a decent price too so worked out. He is incredibly patient as well. I hope you can find some clients nonna, especially dedicated, understanding ones. I use Paypal myself for payment. I have taken cashapp before kek
No. 1708270
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There are so many mediocre artists out there with TONS of engagement, viewers, and followers…How the hell do people do it?
This artist has 15k+ followers…averages around 200 viewers on twitch every time she streams…and this art got 11k likes.
How do I reach this level of engagement?? I'm so bitter
No. 1708272
>>1708270keep posting as much as you can. social media has turned art into a commodity so much as so that even the process is becoming a commodity (through tiktok).
its not for everyone so pace yourself accordingly, nonna
No. 1708442
>>1708270I also have noticed these kind of people engage with the comunity A LOT and try to make as many friends as they can/join servers. Since most people in these groups feel a bit pressured to share the art since it was many by a friend, it breaches out quickly.
I recently started a Twitter (yeah, I know) and often see outright bad artists get +100 rts on their stuff and it's all because they became friends mostly with people who have +4k followers
No. 1708524
>>1708376Usually the people bitching about clients pestering them for faster progress than 12 months are the kind of e-beggars masquerading as "artists" who sell shitty $30 emergency commissions with a sob story to pay rent (which they spend on new shiny fandom merch) but then ditch the commissions due to "mental stress" after getting the money. And since the amount of money spent is relatively small the client eventually gives up rather than attempts to fight it. It's a very common hustle. Actual professionals making real money with commissions (think $200+ per piece) know what's at stake and don't try to pull a fast one.
The original anon going "THIS IS WHY AI IS REPLACING YOU!!!" is a retarded cryptobro refugee though and shouldn't be interacted with
No. 1708526
>>1707881>this weird webcomic called SinfestMan it hurts to realize you've been around long enough to remember when Sinfest made the shift from an iconic 4-panel gag comic with risque humor known by literally everyone online into the feminist format and faded into obscurity. It was a huge uproar in the online artist circles back then and it feels weird to realize it was more than a decade ago iirc.
I think the initial feminist narrative was pretty good and he reflected on women and our struggles pretty adequately for being a man, to the point I even wondered if the strip was being ghostwritten by a radfem girlfriend or something, but then he started slipping again towards the antivaxx conservatoid deep end and made the comic just a less white supremacist version of Stonetoss. Which honestly reflects what happened to a lot of online gendercrit spaces. His art is still amazing though.
>>1707913Yeah, it's grim. At least I've seen some ex-altrighters openly reject their ideas and apologize for falling into the pipeline as vulnerable teenagers so I guess you lose some and you gain some.
No. 1708608
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>>1708537Jesus christ the last time I read Sinfest it was still just about how prostitution and sex work dehumanizes women and now he's deadass drawing unironic comics about the great replacement conspiracy, anti-Ukraine and climate change denialist shit. What a waste of talent. His art is so good and he has great storytelling skills and they're spent on this. What the hell happened?
No. 1708943
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>makes the most basic furry design you can imagine
> Do not color pick
> Do not reference
> There will be consequences
Why are furfags like this?
No. 1709167
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>>1709162> I thought about overweight Twitter trannies dyingwhy not all? popular twitter art troons either turn out to be diapurfurs or pedos
puppychan No. 1709192
File: 1695895148003.jpg (525.08 KB, 1080x1080, quicksquarenew_202392817551823…)
Every now and again this artist goes on some angry rant about other artists stealing her outfit designs or copying her art. But then recently she's even said that crediting her for style inspiration isn't "classy"? I've never heard of an artist getting pissed that someone credited them as an inspiration lol
No. 1709203
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>>1709162why are all popular wester twitter artists so fucking bad at art? i dont wanna start an east vs west debate, i know there are tons of talented western artists, but the popular ones are always so terrible at art compared to japanese artists who have less followers but are miles more talented.
No. 1709204
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>>1709167Really it's not just troons. It's mostly just bored fat teenage girls online.
I'm thinking of what this anon
>>1700944 said:
>Why is it always women that draw content targeted toward women being called out and targeted?Because it's mostly chronically online teen girls starting drama over fucking nothing, which is really a shame. Do you think a single one of those South Park profile picture accounts are run by someone with a penis? They're not even trannies. Well a lot of them are, but they're TIF/fakeboi/ftms.
People really need to stop giving a shit about what kpop stans and other worthless retards say on Twitter. Stop giving weight to it, these people haven't even graduated high school. I feel like all the YouTube drama channels that have cropped up since the mid 2010s are really contributing toward letting those types get their way because they include screencaps and sentiments regurgitated by them. They have no soul and parasitize everything.
They are vile, worthless people. And before you say "they're just teenagers" I would not have done what they do online as a teenager, and none of my friends would have. They are not going to "grow out of it". They never do. All these nasty Twitter ftm 15 year olds are going to either get really fat and move from place to place in hovels with other trannies for the rest of their lives while e-begging, or kill themselves. They will never contribute anything valuable to the world. Why are so many teens furries now? Fuck Gen Xers and Millennials for giving their kids unrestricted internet access
No. 1709205
File: 1695896571145.jpg (147.07 KB, 894x894, 81SDj lZaJL._AC_UF894,1000_QL8…)
What's your opinion on Ohuhu markers? I own about 50 copics and I love them but I'm thinking getting some Ohuhu ones for practice drawings.
No. 1709213
>>1709203i mean its goes both ways you also find some godawful art in the east thats popular too, most
Popular western artist never improve? theyre stuck making the same suldge theyve making since it gets them follows i mean look at cyraine and ross fundamentally sure the illustration looks good but you cant get past the holier than thou attitude they have(aka kooleen) these artists cant understand that what may be good for them wont be for others look at naoki hes in the same sphere but he never changes the artstyle of the pieces he gets just corrects them to look good
No. 1709225
>>1709162Which part pissed you off
nonnie? I was unaware of this drama and I just watched. Fractal county was such a douche and the misogynistic wojack shit was disgusting, but kek at him laughing at a fat fetish tranny.
No. 1709253
>>1709220Kek that's true, I was surprised I hadn't heard anything about this or puppychan on here. It seems like those were two bigger situations in the community
>>1709203Western artists oftentimes get popular for their personality or looks, not only the actual art. It's also just a completely different environment with very different influences, so the art that's made looks different. I'm kind of jealous of weebs and anyone who grew up with anime because their art started out as at least somewhat appealing while I was trying to imitate ugly ass tumblr and deviantart slop because I just didn't know anything else and as a kid I couldn't tell how bad it was
No. 1709357
>>1709203Honestly I noticed the average western artist blows up because of memes, not much else (maybe coom and yet memes still top it). In every fandom I've been in you have very talented western artists with 1-5k and then people who post shitty but consistent doodles with the meme of the day/week with 30k or more.
I don't see this happening with asian communities, first of all they don't seem to care as much about meme shit. Secondly they have a lot more patience when it comes to letting artists create. In the west if you're not grinding daily (which implies lower quality art) I've found that people get bored and constantly unfollow. Meanwhile my japanese followers will follow me for years and still interact even when I completely changed the subject matter of what I post kek.
It's not that western artists are shittier, it's that the western audience is shittier. Plus it makes our artists less motivated to try or improve when they can shit out Reimu drinking grimace shake in a white void in mspaint and get 50k likes.
No. 1709454
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>>1709357> Secondly they have a lot more patience when it comes to letting artists createnayrt but my mind is always blown by the level of detail and patience of most jap artists, these people will spend 8h MINIMUM on a single piece and take care of the tiniest details, it's really something to think about.
Whereas most western artists that blow up that you talk about, their art is so subpar it would be an offense to even compare them to a jap artist.
And I say this as someone who's been on pixiv for 15 years, in Japan being able to draw is something that is considered normal.
Given how much the west's artists and people in general have their dopamine receptors fried because of social media, seeing artists who really pour in effort to their work gives me hope
But those who get bored and unfollow aren't a loss anyway, you want people to follow for your art, not flavor of the month memes/art . And here I get to another subject: drawing popular stuff because that's what gets you followers. But that's another topic for some other time
No. 1709488
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>>1709454I have noticed that Japanese artists never stop practicing either. Aruurara is by all means a pro, but you see him streaming his daily figure drawing sessions and talking about the new drawing books he picked up. A bunch of Japanese artists also have side accs where they post their studies, I don't think I have ever seen that with a western artist asides Pika, they normally settle on a shitty style and stagnate. How bleak, at least we aren't on the tumblr steven universe era anymore, although it's still less cancerous than the mspaint doodle of anime girl doing something quirky era that were are witnessing right now.
No. 1709527
>>1709357>first of all they don't seem to care as much about meme shit. Secondly they have a lot more patience when it comes to letting artists create.Asian artists definitely fold harder than western artists under pressure, so in my headit must be that their fandom encourages experimentation. Ah, my favorite artist is drawing for a completely different interest now? Splendid, instead of throwing an entire autistic tantrum of "why aren't you drawing X anymore??" I'm going to support them. You know? Feels like they have stronger support systems. I don't know how to describe it, they just do shit. They just draw things. Not to say there's no fandom drama or petty bickering (there is, lots) but they seem to stick together for most of the time. They don't just exclusively seek out memes and shitposts to retweet. They see something they like they pass it around.
>Meanwhile my japanese followers will follow me for years and still interact even when I completely changed the subject matter of what I post kek.I have a mixed bag of friends from different asian fandom regions and one of the most surprising things they have told me recently is that they usually make the jump from twitter to other platforms. Meanwhile in the west we build a platform on somewhere else (tumblr, newgrounds, etc) and make the jump to twitter. What does that tell me? I don't know. I feel like twitter is far more successful when you bring in an audience from somewhere else and have them boost your ratings. Then your art actually appears on people's pages… It makes me curious now. I'm going to ask some of them to see if they agree with these notions now.
>it's that the western audience is shittier. Plus it makes our artists less motivated to try or improve when they can shit out Reimu drinking grimace shake in a white void in mspaint and get 50k likes.Agree completely, unfortunately. And it's been this way for a hot minute now. It's demoralizing. You can make something really good and even if it gets a very good amount of reshares with compliments, it will always be overshadowed by some meme or humorous thing you did. And it made me think, why not make shitty memes and shitposts to bait people into following you and then post what you want? After all it's common knowledge(?) nobody gives a fuck about your original content before you build an audience on fanart. Some of my more popular friends did this exact method and it worked for them. Somehow it feels like you're holding a net out, you'll fail to catch the people that just want their daily consoom dose to-go (they always unfollow in the end), but you'll catch those that genuinely like your style.
No. 1709541
>>1709527About your first point; yes and no. Japanese fandom is absolutely autistic about tagging your art with the 'right' tags to make sure it only ends up visible to those that want to see it. For example I'm a fan of a joseimuke game, and the fandom for those that ship BL and those that ship yume exist entirely outside of one another. And yes, they get very upset if you fuck up your tagging and your yume fanart ends up on BL timelines.
Secondly it's more common for artists to make accounts just for one fandom, so once they move on they just stop posting there and you have to hope you happen to find them again.
No. 1709557
>>1709541>Japanese fandom is absolutely autistic about tagging your art with the 'right' tags NTA but god, I saw this happen a few months ago. I follow this one JP artist (whose entire page is her art of a game series) who did a collab with a popular Vtuber, drawing her with the MC of said game because she started to stream it.
DeepL only could get me so far, but from what I understood looks like the artist tagged the art wrong and she had an avalanche of angry people barking at her on her askbox, so much it remains closed today and her account was locked for a bit. She also received some "waah waah we follow you for [game], stop drawing the Vtuber, we don't care" messages.
It surprised me a lot, specially since she's kind of a profesional artist, I thought people would be more respectful.
No. 1709594
>>1709541Oh wow, I only marginally remember that. Admittedly I don't do ship stuff anymore so that makes sense. Thanks for correcting me. Does anyone happen to know how Japanese fandoms differ from Korean or Chinese fandoms?
>so once they move on they just stop posting there and you have to hope you happen to find them again.How does that even work? It feels so hard to get the twitter algorithm to pick you up if you're just starting from scratch, am I just stupid?
>>1709555>and they almost all made private twitter accounts so they can just occasionally shitpost with their friends.No kidding. Nobody wants to deal with social media anymore. I even see some non artists here and there commenting and/or complaining that everyone's gone insular. Everyone's got some little private this or that with like 5 to 10 to 20 with no moderation and trusted friends just shooting the shit now.
>>1709557That's disappointing..
No. 1709627
>>1709614>>>1709541I actually prefer tag autism and I think a lot of fandom drama would be diminished if everyone properly tagged their shit and filtered out stuff they don't want to see and just stayed in their respective lane.
This. It's the smallest most miniscule effort at being courteous to tag your shit and I don't get why people act like you're asking them to jump to the moon if you request proper tags.
>Can you even blacklist tags on twitter?You can mute any word so it doesn't show up on your feed so yes. I've muted ships, series and characters that I don't want to see and it works great, but a lot of aloof artists just don't bother with tagging and I guess it's fine if you're a small artist but when your art consistently gets 200+ retweets it would be polite to add at least a tag for the ship and the source. A lot of people like to browse the algorithm feed because the chronological feed gets clogged up by a lot of unrelated casual tweets so your art might show up for them even when they're not following you.
No. 1709658
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>>1709631I posted because it's visually pleasing with a nice level of detail, if I wanted to post an 8hr+ one I'd upload something else
You can post something you consider better if it's not to your liking, if that's mediocre than I don't want to see western mediocrity
>>1709641Wouldn't call myself a weeb but the soulless anime art you're refering to is probably the ultra generic cute/moe style which is prevalent everywhere nowadays, which I'm also not a huge fan of regardless of how pretty or shiny the colors are,pic related
No. 1709679
>>1709454>>1709658It's hilarious this was posted as some sort of amazing art piece when anons ITT were shitting on an artist for daring to have more then a hundred followers for drawing generic fanart here
>>1708270 just because the artist for the first one is Japanese doesn't somehow make it better.
Also if we're talking general 'cute' artists that just draw cute girls, there's significantly better artists around then what you've posted.
No. 1709851
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>>1709793Yeah except only people who don't know how to do digital art and professionals who make their own 3d models and stamp brushes use those type of crutches. One is trying to find a shortcut because they don't know how to draw and they're too lazy to learn how to, the other is most likely in a time crunch.
No. 1709854
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>>1700740Maybe you should try Harvest Moon or Rune Factory games Nonna. They're all mostly drawn in chibi or a more simple art style, and the boys are drawn just as cutesy as the girls. All the games have different art styles so maybe someone will strike your fancy
No. 1709959
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>>1709952Oops, fair. I only saw it in passing but browser history came in clutch
https://twitter.com/angelmawsexpose No. 1710068
>>1709682I said that.
>>1709684I didn't realize that autocorrected from Monet LOL
No. 1710103
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>>1709959Fascinating how pedo OC, similar designs and scamming thousands out of customers are on the same level for these people
No. 1710164
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>>1710126>Most Japanese art is soulless coomshit these days.No, only in moeshit anime. There’s plenty of good Japanese art and even famous Japanese cartoonists in our modern day that create super charming art like pic related
No. 1710165
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>>1710126Nona I beg you to go look at the Westaboo thread in /m/, it's all mostly Japanese artists with massive galleries of goofy fanart. Just because you're seeing one type of art doesn't mean it's all like that, kek what a fallacy you have there
No. 1710191
>>1710164Anon don't listen to people like
>>1710165 because they can't clearly understand the difference between art for a gallery (your pic) and husbando yumejo shit posted on twitter
>Inb4 some angry baiter says it's all the same I'm not even going to waste my time explaining this to hobbyists with no real career that use imageboards for gossip occuring between nobody artists on twitter
No. 1710199
>>1710189Nona, I'm
>>1710165 and I was replying to
>>1710126 saying Japanese art was souless and was typing my reply before
>>1710164 even showed up (my wifi is abymally fucking slow). Actual gallery art is obviously better than fanart, there is no debate and anyone who thinks so is a actual retard.
Unless you misclicked, in which case that contempt was well directed
No. 1710351
>>1709205i like their pastel set, the main one doesnt have any light shades at all
they don't blend as well as copics (some colors are especially bad) but for the price i can't complain
No. 1710459
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>>1710191 The yumejo artists have more skill than those gallery artists used as example. Just because goofy with bed eyes isnt hanging in a gallery and being used to launder money it doesnt mean it requires less skill than painting the same shitty blob with sameface in a void like that guy on the left. I genuinely dont understand disliking anime sameface but then liking some boring ass art just because it's hanging in a gallery.
No. 1710467
>>1710164that scrote's art always gives me bad vibes. i distrust men to meaningfully understand the complexities of girlhood and don't like when they draw little girls
>>1710459based
No. 1710474
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>>1710467>i distrust men to meaningfully understand the complexities of girlhood no way his shitty drawings have ''meaning''. I really dislike modern gallery artists, they are all so gimmicky. The dog reminds me of this. I have seen artists with <1k followers post more meaningful and moving art, and the didn't have to explain it to you nor were hanging in a gallery. What a scam.
No. 1710476
>>1710459Of course someone like you would be
triggered this much, not surprised.
No. 1710481
>>1710476No one is
triggered, it's just dumb to disregard art just because it's not haging on a gallery. I am sorry but those examples posted are ugly and uninteresting.
No. 1710534
>>1710530I don't want to infight
nonny, because in the end none of what I say matters and will be taken out of context or something else entirely
No. 1710565
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>>1710164Fine art is such a joke. If these were digital drawings posted online, they'd get lost in the sea. But because they're painted on 10ft canvases, it's fine art. There are super skilled fine artists, and then there's people like this who got lucky. Check out Fuyuko Matsui's work, it actually stands out.
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>>1710565they are trying to pass lolishit as fine art now too kek this dude got to work with pharael williams in a music video just because his loli drawings get hanged on galleries, how bleak
No. 1710594
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>>1710591Fucking museums overseas bring this shit to be exposed as fine art. I bet they would laugh at the idea of making an exposition about actual anime but ironic shit like this gets a full exposition, kek. The critiques are hilarious too
>mesmerize through an unsettling combination of innocence, carnal knowledge, beauty, exquisite artifice and arrested movement No. 1710609
>>1710468I'm talking about people like
>>1709454 There's other facets of art. To say you don't like any western artist at this point just means you haven't sought out others or even looked at different mediums. It's hard to describe modern art as "eras" because there's so many art styles and so many influences. You could branch out more though. But what do you mean by "plastic splashart look"?
>>1710594God I hate male art from any country. I watched an interview of this one popular American artist from the 90s and he compared his collage art of playboy nude cut-outs as something comparable and influential to Andy Warhol's work. Was even funnier to me because I hate Warhol's shit too
No. 1710614
>>1710609>You could branch out more thoughfeel free to recommend me stuff if you want, i like highly skilled art though
>plastic splashart looklol splash art
No. 1710697
>>1710632>Devin Korwin >Syd Mills>Phil Hale>Sidharth Chaturvedi If you're looking for more anime/stylized I like
>helium_raven on twitterMost of their styles are realistic, or at least trying to be. The last one, I can't tell if she's eastern or western because she has a big western following and draws a lot of western musicians. I'm sure there's more too, but that's a start. Most people who draw realism nowadays stick to ArtStation, Instagram, or sometimes even stay strictly traditional. You won't be able to get someone who captures the old-timey essence like the artists you mentioned though.
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>>1710697Samefag, dropped the pic. Picrel is Chaturvedi, he mostly does concept work and fantasy stuff though
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>>1710474>>1710502>>1710565I'm
>>1710199 and admittedly I was thinking of stuff like Patrica Piccini's dolphin man (picrel) or Louise Bourgeois or Alexsandra Waliszcekwa when I said gallery art was better than fanart, but all you make really good points nonnas.
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>>1710768Her art is supposed to be really uncanny and disturbing, it's all about exploring where humanity stands with animals and technology and how we're constantly shifting the environment for both and the ethics of it.
For example, why do you feel uncomfortable about this genetically modified finger baby when you yourself may own a pure breed animal. It has nothing to do with pedophilia, she's just a weirdo.
No. 1711189
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>>1710764>>1710164if an american artist had drawn this it would had been posted in the bad art thread and we would have anons saying that it looks like the girl is missing a chromosome. I dont even hate his art but I doubt he would have gotten famous on an international scale if he wasn't japanese. The art world has a mystified image of japan where they describe japanese fine art as "childlike whimsy but eerie" no matter what it looks like
No. 1711206
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>>1711189This spanish artist is like the long-lost cousin kek. Honestly these kind of art is only impresive because they're drawn on giant canvases, the actual art is just mid.
Galleries are full of despotism, have enough money or a some connections and you're automatically considered a fine artist, everyone knows that. Of course there are still actual artists here and there, but the majority of them are just famous because money.
No. 1711219
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>>1711189You're right and I don't know what anons are talking about. Design-wise his art is solid but it's also so fucking generic and it's obvious people like it just because it's "cute". And that's perfectly okay but it becomes embarrassing if you claim to like it because it's somehow magnificent in quality when it's actually just the same frowning blob over and over again.
On the topic of moid artists coming accross as creepy through their art, I fucking hate when stuff like picrel gets praised as this super deep fine art dealing with the complexities of humanity. The guy who painted picrel is an old dude and yet most of his paintings like this feature young women. When I saw this in a gallery I immediately got a bad feeling about it but nobody else seemed to notice. If you want to make body horror art or art dealing with your "trauma" like he said in an interview he did, why not make it about your moid body instead of painting the same vaguely young girl half naked? I'm so done with male artists.
No. 1711229
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>>1711219Or something like pedo Hans Bellmer's stuff
No. 1711353
>>1711219>>1711229>>1710572Repulsive moid fetish shit and childporn. I don't see the difference between fine art childporn and pixiv childporn, topkek
>>1710504>Do people in this thread really?Yes
>>1710515 they apparently do anon; you are correct people in this thread really. What good is "skill" if it goes towards moid fetish, the humiliation of women and girls and child pornography?
>>1710478You felt weird and strange because you know in your heart that its voyeuristic as a grown man to feature female children in your "art".
No. 1711365
>>1711229I really wish I could unsee this old pedo fossil moids shit from you nonna. I'm looking at this moids art and seething. Why do we as a society even have laws against child porn at this point? How do freedom of childporn "artistic expression" artfags justify this?
Laws against childporn are a larp for males. Child abuse being a taboo is a larp for males, child abuse itself is a larp for males. What's the point if you can make it anyway, and distribute it freely if you call it "art". I can't even bring myself to post it, sickening.
No. 1711415
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Does anyone have examples of inspiring progress? I am feeling really down right now about my art skill level, and I need some motivation.
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>>1711431You would never understand
>>1711484I don't think so, besides commissions and a patreon that was started some time last year there has been talk about classes unrelated to art.
No. 1711525
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Talented artist to pedobait panderer sure is something to be proud of. Yep.
No. 1711560
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what the hell is wrong with coomers. it was just a mcdonalds commercial
No. 1711564
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>>1711560Its perplexing how much of a clusterfuck this one ad caused, you had /pol/tard scrotes trying to make this into a big event by saying this was a attack on wokeness by having a straight "white" couple, coombrained tranny pedos screaming like chimps that there must be porn made of this, coomer artists banding together to bring their degenerate fantasies to fruition and ofc many videos by retards commentating on this situation with the most spineless opinions, what the fuck happened.
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>>1711574There's been a lot of talk about anime featuring more family content for this reason and it doesn't seem completely impossible, but depicting a family in restaurant ads also isn't anything out of the norm for any culture.
No. 1711596
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>>1711592>The smarter scrotes try to be, the stupider they become, it's insaneIkr? Put any media in front of a scrote, and there's a 99% chance the point is gonna fly straight over his head. Just look at how they missed the point by admiring Patrick Bateman. Did any of those retards even read the book?
>>1711560I hate art like this because it perfectly demonstrates how coomers see anything at all: just ass and titties. The coomer didn't even bother sexualizing the mother character with the body type she actually has, and these types of artists NEVER stay accurate to characters they sexualize. Coomers obsess over, jack off to, want, and dream about ass and titties, so that's all they fucking draw even if it doesn't match how the character actually looks.
No. 1711599
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>>1711564It's fucking insane, rightoids just came up with some hoo-hah about "wokies" ~
triggered~ by a mcdonalds ad featuring a straight couple with a kid because someone made a joke about the Japanese birth rate propaganda and everyone just took it and ran with this forced as fuck controversy and now they're drawing coomershit porn of it to own the imaginary "libtards" living inside their heads. Literally
nobody was offended by this fucking ad but retards stuck in their anti-SJW era looking for outrage don't care. I fucking hate scrotes and I hate weeb /pol/ scrotes the most.
No. 1711899
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>>1711535Kek artanons on this site are a breath of fresh air, its rare for artists to see reality as is. picrel related
>>1711596>The coomer didn't even bother sexualizing the mother character with the body type she actually hasIts not about her, or depicting her honestly or any woman or female at that, its only about coom; in this case hyper muscular homoerotic but simultaneously obese woman with pitiful arms and neck but huge man-sized bobble head coom. The original art is a woman but this "woman" is a obese transvestite based off of the proportions.
No. 1711901
>>1711899The chimerical combination of muscles you would only see at a low body fat combined with fat thighs/tits and then tiny birdlike skeletal arms always
triggers me like pick one.
No. 1712242
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where do i even start with rendering, anyone got a course rec? i want to paint like pic rel
No. 1712288
>>1712242Is this sportacus kek
In al seriousness, the fur and some other textures like the the leather hat(?) seems to be photobashed. The rest looks painted with a shit ton of color correction and filters. And I think I'm also seeing a noise filter
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Any of you ever take a step back just to be amazed by the unrelenting stream of drama in the "art community"? Especially the "commentary" part of it. Goddamn, it's like Youtuber or Twitter artists can't stop getting into unnecessary squabbles of drama with each other. Don't these people ever get tired? I thought making art was supposed to be relaxing KEK.
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>>1712347holy shit, anons are right its depressing as fuck women cant exist without being sexualized. women arent making porn of the husband, how bleak.
No. 1712936
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anons do you have any recs for western comics with nice/interesting visuals? i'd prefer original stories but hero stuff is good too ig
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>>1712936bernie wrightson frankenstein
No. 1713009
>>1712668Mf spoil this
nonnie geez.
No. 1713012
>>1711583Aaah man this is reminding me of
Darling in the FRANXX. You know, the anime with the very very subtle sex metaphors (doggy style). Yeah Japanese citizens sure started fucking after that show aired lmao
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>>1712936It's furry, but Blacksad's art is nice and neat. The facial expression are superb as the artist was a former Disney animator.
Though a little warning if you plan to read it for the story: its female characters are shit. They're either just girlfriends, dead, or dead girlfriends. The art is great though!
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>>1712936Check out the works of Craig Thompson—his paneling is very creative and often strays from the standard "square, rectangle, square" type of paneling most Western comics do. His linework is very impressive too.
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>>1713094Inb4 “that’s just an evil dead reference” yes but why does this drawing of a little girl put so much emphasis on her body by having it be drawn more realistic and almost giving an upskirt shot? It’s the biggest red flag when an artist draws a child with a realistic body but a cartoony face never ignore it anons it’s always a pedo art style. I am in support of giving cartoon little girl guns however if they could actually shoot moids.
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>>1712936the black order brigade and
the hunting party (picrel is the cover art) by pierre christin and enki bilal. they're both standalone but thematically related comics from the early 80s that were considerd landmarks in the history of franco-belgian comics. then writing and art are beautiful and there was a good english translation, dunno if it's still in print but it's on libgen.
No. 1713121
>>1712688Might want to get your glasses checked, at least back up what you mean. What about it was amateur kek at least provide a
valid reason when its fundamentally wrong what you're saying. There was nothing wrong with the animation. Do you even animate or draw??
No. 1713301
>>1713286Unless you are drawing porn or a webcomic, social media popularity doesn't have much impact on whether you can get an illustration job. It may certainly help you get more opportunities, but there are many insanely good artists who have very small followings.
>>1713298 is right. But if you want popular artists to notice you, draw fanart of their OCs.
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>>1711560Why do the mom and daughter look like copy-pasted moeblobs with the same proportions, while the dad looks like an actual adult? This is something that I observe rather often in animanga, particularly in moeshit/cgdct anime - males have normal proportions but all female characters are noseless, bug-eyed moeblobs. Am I being too nitpicky and retarded if I am upset over something like this?
No. 1713310
>>1713286Being able to make a living with your art is a one in a million chance, anon. It's a dream worth chasing I guess but you also have to be realistic. If you want to do art for a living then get a job as graphic designer/artist or illustrator and develop and build your own brand on the side. I got a job in another field altogether because I'd be burned out drawing corporate art all day instead of stuff I actually like, and save all my creative art for my personal time.
Going viral isn't enough either, your piece might get like 50k likes yet get you no new followers at all. Making friends with more popular artists is the most efficient way to move up, but they can absolutely smell it when you're only approaching them for clout because you're not the first or the last one to do so. Instead of going for the people who already have a gigantic following, make friends with rising stars on your own level. You'll form way more authentic and fulfilling relationships and once you grow in popularity you're both sharing an audience you can promote each other to.
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>>1713308if you had bothered to open any art program you can see that the mother and daughter dont have the same proportions on the bases on them having the same hairstyle why wont they? theyre related, its just a cute short ad
No. 1713354
>>1713308>>1713330their faces are both moeblob and similar, but not the exact same. the kid has rounder cheeks and a way smaller skull, larger eyes, shorter philtrum, shorter distance between nose and eyes, and longer distance between eyes and eyebrows. moms neck and shoulders are also proportionately larger, even if you shrank their faces down to the same size.
tbh i think the real uncanny part is that everything else aside, the mom and kids face SIZES are basically the same. the overall sizes of their faces are way closer than the face proportions. and the moms skull is huge compared to her face, even the porn artists are drawing her with a bigger face.
No. 1713367
>>1713330kek the way you intentionally drew over the actual lines on the mom's face to prove your point
animoids are mentally ill
No. 1713398
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>>1711897She doesn't share much about her personal life on twitter, she has only vaguely talked about being on jobhunt in march and then about not being able to work due to injuries back in april 2022, around the time when she was posting about commissions and patreon. Last I saw was this tweet about some classes. There have to be other circumstances with this person though, don't manga artists and people like Kim Jung Gi draw for hours each day without developing such issues? I know the former have assistants that take care of some parts, but even with that help there is still a lot of work done every day
No. 1713480
>>1713400i did this in like 2 minutes sleep deprived so excuse the shaky lines kek but my point stands although the proportions are different as this
nonnie pointed out>>1713354 the faces are copy paste ,anime artstyle suffers making the women look like children but in the end its just preference to style personally i dont like the moeblob look i dont know why this simple ass ad is causing this much outrage
No. 1713492
>>1713286Right now is honestly a terrible time to try to live off an online art presence. Paypal is getting more bullshit fees by the day, not to mention the risk of getting your income locked for whatever random reason they decide. Patreon isn't doing great either from what I see, and ko-fi has its own share of issues.
At the end of the day your entire income will be dependent on sites that seem to all be in a form of turmoil right now.
And that's not to get into the fact that there's a global recession brewing (or already happening depending on who you ask) and one of the first things people will drop is any financial contributions to art content like commissions, merchandise etc.
No. 1713577
>>1713492Coomers will always pay for custom porn. That's an avenue.
>>1713308I agree with you. It's fake outrage.
No. 1713603
>>1713593You don't really have a choice, unfortunately.
I see it as a bank transaction fee like when you take money out of an establishment you don't bank with. It's just a transaction charge. For me, PayPal isn't that much,
right now. The thing that does bother me is the transfer fees. I get the behind-the-scenes reason, they are actively having to allocate funds from one bank to another because the money isn't just magically digital, but the added fees on top of the transaction fees bother me, especially when it is increased vs the number of people who use the website. I don't know if it's because the website has to do the transaction for you on their side, plus they charge the "labor" of hosting the site. That's another thing, they pay their staff and because websites like these don't get donations, they take a part in hosting too. Not that millions of users aren't
well over enough people to host the website for probably a few decades, but I don't see these sites imploding.
If they keep raising the prices, then I'm going to get upset because the number of users that rely on these sites should make up way more than enough for all these fees to not be raised when you take into account the cut the company is probably getting. They probably excuse it as a reason to keep low pay employees active because
cost of living when in reality it's the PayPal hire ups that are just greedy. Like every company.
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>>1712239A tranny scrote (like usual) to be more specific
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>>1713674same as you
nonny! i wish i wasnt poor/talentless/retarded
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There's a client who wants me to draw her oc whos arab and has a hijab, but also wants a nude version of her. I'm going to get in trouble with the sjw, aren't I?
No. 1713787
>>1713743What are the chances of my dumbass getting cancelled? I already drew some nude version of other characters but since this one is arab and is wearing a hijab… I don't know.
Also I'm not popular or anything, but I don't want to play with fire either lmao
No. 1713822
>>1713804oh
>>1713810I don't wanna give too much info because I don't want to out myself kek but from what I've seen, the client seems to be a dark skinned FtM (idk why I attract these kinds of clients but moving on) so I'm not sure. I'm gonna ask anyway and in case they say no then I would not post the nude version. Thanks for your insight nona
No. 1713825
Not salty but I love how many fandoms have their own October challenges, it’s cute and I get to see my favorite less popular characters drawn if they’re lucky enough to be put on the list.
>>1713707Just say you’re not comfortable drawing a religious character NSFW.
No. 1713840
>>1713227Reading comprehension anon. Go back and watch the Free advert. It’s just like whar you posted. The gif is not a commercial.
>>1713312Before the moe blob invasion anime characters actually had differing features so at a glance you could tell and adult from a teen or a child.
>>1713700That manga (top left) is drawn really well. I saw a video of hers and the process is time consuming. NTA but I am not that patient.
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>>1713877not only that but she's factually wrong that japanese animation is getting worse, it's actually getting better for some reason
No. 1714049
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>>1713616I’ve seen that comparison, terrible bait. the left tweet was from fucking June 2020 when basically every company was virtue-signalling for black people.
If you check the Mcdonalds twitter today, their latest tweet (September 18) is the pikachu happy meal. I scrolled through the media tab for a minute and still haven’t found any virtue-signalling.
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>Ever since she was young, Komichi Akebi has always adored sailor uniforms, even going so far as to ask her mother to sew one if she succeeds in getting into her mother's alma mater, Roubai Academy. And thus, when she gets accepted into the prestigious school, Komichi is ecstatic. However, much to her surprise, the middle school no longer uses sailor uniforms as its dress code—making Komichi stand out from her schoolmates. Despite this, Komichi is granted permission to continue wearing the traditional attire.
>With renewed confidence, Komichi meets fascinating classmates as they experience school life together. Under the colorful shower of blossoming prospects, an exciting tomorrow awaits them!
How the fuck do you cope nonny? knowing that some generic ass CGDCT that doesnt even have a gimmick like ''cgdct but….insert hobby'' got a manga and an anime adaptation with this level of animation? it always made me sad that Japanese artists can come up with the most retarded, boring, overdone idea ever and get to publish a manga and later get an anime adaptation. Is it even possible to achieve anything but vague internet fame from being a western comic artist?. It makes me so fucking depressed to think about it. I feel like I have been sabotaged for being born outside Japan as an artist. I can only aspire to develop some western fanbase that's probably going to cancel me the second i dont choke on tranny dick. It's so demoralizing.
No. 1714235
>>1714125Isn't this the braindead"wholesome" anime with the schoolgirl fingernail clipping and foot sniffing? Shit like this gets and keeps audiences because scrote weebs and otaku are fascinated by crossing their fetishistic obsessions with their idea of purity. Also, this clip looks impressive until you realize the animation is still choppy and full of shortcuts and effects to make it look better than it actually is. I've never seen this show but I guarantee the animation quality tanks the second there isn't a teenage girl's body to focus on. Japan's anime industry lives by constantly churning out flavor-of-the-month shit for a fast turnaround. It's all about squeezing money out of the audience. I'd be surprised if this episode took more than a week to animate.
French and Belgian animation mogs the fuck out of the best Japanese anime anyway. And their stuff isn't made using sweatshop animators living in crowdfunded tenements, earning less than 15yo konbini clerks while working twice the hours.
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Robaato trying to fight the artist who they hired on to do the pokemon movie lol RJ Palmer
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>>1714246Robaato_art is notorious for never, ever meeting deadlines then blames everyone else every time.
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>>1714246I'm a pokemon fan so sorry for sperging out but RJ Palmer ruined the live action movie for me with his super shit gritty "real life" takes on pokemon that completely miss the fucking point of the designs and what makes pokemon appealing. He even influenced them to male squirtle act like a stupid waddling toddler and treecko a motionless gecko staring at you through the window. That's not how those pokemon look nor act, they're agile intelligent fighters like wtf I swear he's not even a pokemon fan and hiring was a huge mistake
he's the embodiment of pre-sonic of the sonic design controversy
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Do any of you know about this? I saw someone unrelated talk about this person getting "literally killed" by antis because they got her fired from her animation job(?)which made her spiral, but I can't find much more info because she seems to have moved accounts. The account is full of degeneracy, to the point where it feels like some kind of joke, so I can imagine why this stuff could get her fired if she was working on a kids show or something
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>>1714413I don't know why they were called antis, seems like it's just the worst friendgroup to be in
No. 1714468
>>1714455Because they (the friends) made it into a pro/anti thing to get other people to throw tomatoes and harass her. It all just seems like a weird way of punishing her for not joining in their in-group drama.
I know the shipping stuff is degen, but I honestly feel bad for her for the same reasons as the other anon. She is not mentally stable. All the scrotes in the animation industry draw the same things as her or worse, and/or deliberately put their fetishes in children's shows (even some women are like that, like Rebecca Sugar). Kyle didn't do the whole callout on her because he was "so concerned and uncomfortable", by the way. He's just an obese, male Regina George with a personal axe to grind.
Biggest mistakes were talking to mentally ill "fans" on Discord, and letting her shipping stuff be public.
No. 1714510
>>1709204?Why are so many teens furries now?
I've thought about this myself because even though I'm in my 30s, I've noticed that there are a lot of teens into the furry fandom and it's wild to me since when I was a teen on the internet back in the early 2000s, it was no where near as common to see furries. My guess is just well, social media. Teenagers are on sites like Amino and Twitter and furry art is bountiful on these platforms that teens spend their time on.
No. 1714518
>>1714413Don't know anything about this but
>calls self 25-year-old child>incest>lolishotaI feel like if you draw any of these things, you should be blacklisted from making animations targeted toward kids regardless. I don't care if it's elements in a story you're making, that's fine, but if you have a twitter where you unabashedly talk about liking kids while trying to get into an industry geared towards children, then you're disgusting
No. 1714523
>>1714521just say youre esl thatll save you(
i did the same kek)
No. 1714529
>>1714518>>1714413https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XdfUJyVYhmaahTfbxLNU0W0yVz80hmptNrCQv7KSL6o/mobilebasic#h.l2kedg24duaShe gets into the drama here. Warning anons that it's long, but comprehensive and as screenshots.
@Atherist is her main account
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>>1714634>discovered that the creator of Ren and Stimpy was a fucking pedo>Steven King basically wrote CP in the book 'It'>the artists of Spongebob drew porn of the characters behind Nickelodeon's back>now just discovered that the creators of Rugrats made CP art of the characters, who are BABIES.Males seem to be incapable of being fucking normal about their creations. Seriously, it's like you can't even trust a male that makes art for "innocent entertainment", because he always has sinister motives behind it. Even when a male makes darker forms of art, he always cranks the edginess higher than it should be by making it just disgusting instead of fascinating. I fucking hate males in anything that has to do with art. Cartoons, portraits, theater, acting, whatever. They always bring their unnecessary degenerate bullshit and can never EVER keep it the fuck away.
No. 1714645
>>1714634The irony is that most of the hate that jk rowling gets is from women and trannies (abnormal moids) not even regular moids. It's depressing because it basically proves that many women would rather throw one of their own under the bus for a weird mutilated she-scrote. This also applies to pretty much any female creator when she makes a mistake. Even she-ra creator who chopped her own tits and is part of the same fucking camp, she got backlash for accidentally saying something that could be interpreted as being racist, and is despised by multiple trannies and lesbians for making catradora "
toxic".
No. 1714661
>>1714645exactly. they especially hate jkr bc she can't be bullied or silenced or erased. they can't get her fired from her job, they can't sue her into bankruptcy because she's too rich, they can't erase her legacy becuse she had such a huge influence in popular culture and her books are famous all over the world, they can't deplatform her because she's too famous.
the whole TRA movement isn't actually about advocacy. it's just repackaged men's right activism, the only goal is bullying and silencing women. and so she represents the ultimate enemy.
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>>1714634The guy who fired her from his show did it to save himself, she was just in an unlucky spot because she befriended and then unfriended some mentally ill people over discord that had learned too much about her real life and developed a grudge while not working for people she was friends with that could've shielded her. The other people who call her out also make exceptions for themselves and their friends when they do the same things they like to call others out for, it's insane.
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>>1714588Nah his coomer ass is the reason they made sonic-"realism"-pokemon instead of making them look cartoony like they usually do but with better texture. I think they made a lot of pokemon look disgusting that would have been cute if they were just themselves but in 3D. I strongly believe barbie as an adaptation made it so big because it exactly captures barbie in real life and isn't a dark disturbing retelling of barbie like 99% of like adaptation movies are now.
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>>1714555whats funny is that out of all people, its the magisword faggot calling her out, you know the guy with a kids cartoon where the female main character looks like this and all the female characters have boobies for no reason? he's the epitome of that meme where the female character is sexy and the male character is always goofy with a very cartoony design
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>>1714638Also, the Loud house guy drew incest shota comics and still got hired by nickelodeon to make a children's cartoon
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>>1714772that's why i envy Japan too. Yes, yes, I know it's misogynistic too, but you aren't really tied to a studio or a clique of people, so you can form your own group with your female friends like CLAMP. A lot of female mangakas work alongside their childhood friends and i find that really sweet, though luck finding a western female artist that isnt delulu into gendie bullshit and a womanchildren with little to none commitment and responsability, though.
No. 1714822
>>1714768Nta, but why do your cartoon crushes stop being relevant when you turn 18? It's not wrong to ask draw porn of them. They are fiction. You can't say it's okay for kids to draw porn or
minor characters but the second they turn 18, no more drawing anything porn you grew up with or your a pedo? This is the whole point of anons explaining why fiction is just fiction. Not everyone who draws porn of childhood characters is in to real children.
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Why do Japanese artists love to draw every fucking character into looking like some tall, scrawny teenager? I understand it when the character is meant to be young and has that scrawny build, but they do it for characters that are not or wouldn't look like that. I've seen them do it to Eric Cartman in fanart. Felt nostalgic and took a peep at some humanized art of HTF characters, and the Japanese always draw the soldier bear to look like this anorexic eighteen-year-old that can't even lift a machine gun. In what world would a soldier that's strong enough to kill anything look like picrel?
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>>1714879i dont know but i think it's charming and funny as fuck, men draw female characters like bimbos with balloon tits let japanese horny women express themselves
No. 1714888
>>1700675Not into shota but I love kids in animes but can't stand them IRL, and sex-wise I had a tentacle phase and a necrophilia phase
the dead moid won't go soft and literally can't hurt you, idk why this isn't more common tbh but there's literally no appeal whatsoever to actual, real tentacled animals or corpses. Fiction is fiction.
No. 1714899
>>1714894>musclepigs and fat menI'm just confused as to why japs
always draw characters as teenagers with eating disorders when they canonically or would most likely look like the "musclepigs" and "fatasses" you say. I get the style for characters that actually are skinny and young, but then they make characters that are canonically rather ugly, chubby, or strong into that little box and always looks so dumb. It's like looking at fanart of Rose Quartz on the Japanese side of art, and seeing nothing but a super skinny version of her. I get that it's "just art", but it's so bizarre how that particular body type is so shilled.
No. 1714905
>>1714899Ignore those people, you can't have a genuine conversation about art here anymore without someone going
>well just go look somewhere elseor
>no matter what women do, men will always be worseThey all cut off any attempts at starting a dialogue
>>1714903It's probably just the same person from before who believes the only body types for men are either borderline little boy or roidpig
>>1714879There's some Japanese artists who are really good at drawing other body types, but they don't draw in your typical anime style. Most Japanese people who draw in generic anime don't bother to learn more than a handful of bodytypes in fear of drawing something "ugly" or with too many personal/definable features
No. 1714906
>>1714899Japanese people tend to like thin bodies more, American people like muscular bodies more. Both groups of people are more likely to draw characters they like in ways they think look good. Beauty standards are just that, it's life.
>It's like looking at fanart of Rose Quartz on the Japanese side of art, and seeing nothing but a super skinny version of her.Not really, because Flippy is just a cartoon bear with a similar body to the other cartoon animals. Humanization doesn't have to equate to realism, especially when the entire premise is silly, brightly-colored anthropomorphic animals who die and come back alive.
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>>1714899why do you wanna police how people draw eric cartman of all things? who cares? its fanart, people are allowed to interpret characters however they want
No. 1714918
>>1714913Agreed, the "um the fictional character you like is
problematic" thing is a waste of time. Are we going to make cartoons real? Is there any chance of someone on Twitter jumping into the screen, canonically having sex with the cartoon character and altering the course of the story? No? Then why should I give a fuck
No. 1714922
>>1714917Samefag as
>>1714905 but I was talking about one anon in particular, not everyone
>>1714918I mean, if you like something controversial, you should at least get a backbone when people admit they don't like it.
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>>1714929I think it's like taking Po from Kung Fu Panda and making him a human twink; it just doesn't make sense
>>1714928Yeah it is all opinions based. There's just many anons itt that take it as a personal attack when people don't like a very obviously controversial theme in art
>>1714932Don't think anyone in this thread is doing that, but I do agree that that's pretty stupid
No. 1714970
>>1714960NTA but depending on the type of art, especially if you draw fanart, someone will eventually ask or comment on some fanart you made like calling the guy a woman instead because they think he's "totally trans." If you draw subjects that are more niche or not humanoid focused at all like landscapes, you have little to worry about.
>>1714521For OG nonna, just don't talk about gender at all and avoid anyone with a shit ton of descriptors in their bio or characters that are common to be transwashed like Yamato from One Piece or Naoto from Persona. I've met at least one other woman that I talk to sometimes about our mutual interest and there seems to be no interest for gender topics at all from her. Good luck!
No. 1715016
>>1714949You're the only one malding kek roidpig, musclepig, no one cares, they're all the same thing. You said "low-key calling them pedos" and now are claiming people have an obesity fetish. Sorry someone insulted your type in anime boys I guess
>>1714987It's insane. What's even more crazy is why so many kids shows are centered around toilet humor and butt/twerking jokes. Teen Titans Go especially had this problem
No. 1715028
>>1714783Agreed, I think Japan has more of a base "friend group" (as in actual friends, not nepo stuff and politics) culture when it comes to passion-related work like manga. It doesn't feel forced with them.
>>1714921This is just kind of autistic, maybe log off. It's fan art for a reason.
No. 1715101
>>1714125This is probably a showpiece trailer they put their money into and the actual anime looks like dogshit. Happens all the time. But that said, yeah, I haven't watched anime in years because of this. It's not worth it, it's either CGDT or some shitty isekai/villainess/romcom that only relies on fanservice and scrote pandering. And I'm not saying this to be an edgy contrarian because I love anime, but the industry has completely lost all the dignity it once had.
>it always made me sad that Japanese artists can come up with the most retarded, boring, overdone idea ever and get to publish a manga and later get an anime adaptation.Only now it doesn't even have to be a manga, most of them are light novel adaptations and straight out clones of an idea that has been regurgitated every single season for the past 2 years.
>I feel like I have been sabotaged for being born outside Japan as an artist. I feel this a lot, anon. I sometimes want to punch a wall thinking about how unfair it is that some scrote in Japan created a lazy, shitty light novel about ogling a girl's boobs that reads like it was generated by a poorly worded chatgpt query yet scored fully animated adaptation out of it, a possibility every weeb on the planet can only dream of. I'm not even from the US so I have even less of a chance to gain any sort of a step beyond making a digital comic, and even if I was, it's next to impossible to get a decent animated show if you're not Noelle Stevenson or a boomer moid who worked on The Simpsons once.
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>>1715101>This is probably a showpiece trailer they put their money into and the actual anime looks like dogshit. I dont know why some of you are so salty at this fucking anime looking so good, kek. The anime is animated beautifully, and it has like 10 pages on Sakugabooru. For reference, kimi no na wa only has 5 pages. I don't know why but there has been an explosion of boring CGDCT with extremely polished and well done animation. Outside of pic rel there is also onimai and the new IM@S anime. Thank good that sakugabooru exists, so I don't have to watch boring anime only for the SAKUGA.
No. 1715158
>>1714468Exactly.
Even though the account was public, they only knew it was hers because she told them about it privately. You can argue whether that is a good or bad idea but if the first thing you do about being told about something in confidence is to go and tell other people- nevermind all the other shit that followed- that should be the first sign you are an untrustworthy piece of shit lawl
oh yeah and all this spiraled from someone not wanting to fuck someone. If Ang didn't draw porn that literally every other dude and woman in animation does or has done in some point. This is really just weaponizing pro/anti-ship content and tbh as long as your content isn't directly tied to your job or work draw whatever porn you want on the side it doesn't matter.
The only time you should lose your job is if you hurt someone else or if it is publically tied to that specific brand. But creating under a public alias that people only knew about because you told them in confidence? Should be fair game to do whatever you want.
oh and… all this from not wanting to fuck someone. It wasn't about protecting the children it was at the end of the day about an ego
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>>1715241same, i almost got tricked into watching/reading it because the style seemed very feminine. He has that japanese AGP style, like hisashi eguchi.
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>>1715289kek, agreed. it's funny how you can tell when a japanese author is agp, they have a weirdly cutesy style that doesn't feel too sexual at first glance.
No. 1715426
>>1715409I’m so horny for sexy men 24/7 I am drawing them and thinking about them all day, I am highly motivated. But my practical advice is that I study a lot of classic capcom artists.
>>1715415I love my life I love existing.
No. 1715440
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Maybe I'm oversensitive as someone who has been both overweight and has had a ED + body dysmorphia, but if an artist drew me as significantly larger than I am and posted for everyone to see I may literally have killed myself in pure terror and humiliation. I hope those girls either never find out or that they have such high confidence it doesn't bother them.
No. 1715441
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>>1715426But how do you draw perfectly sculpted cocks? Real cocks aren't very perfect looking…
Picture unrelated
No. 1715462
>>1715441Long and smooth, a bit of a curve on the belly. Ideal head to shaft proportion is ~5-6 “heads” tall (lol). The glans should be round, nice cleaved chestnut shape. A modest slope to his corona. The frenulum and foreskin are important as well, most of your time rendering should be spent here. One thing I find that makes cocks especially aesthetic is making this area more red in hue compared to the glans, which is a bit more purple. His balls gotta be nice, smooth, and weighty while still looking supple and suitable for a slapping.
Cocks gotta be leaky and shiny too, dripping with excessive precum to show his desperation. In the same vein, it’s necessary to show the man’s face looking broken in pleasure (but never make him ugly, as a male’s face is also always meant to be beautiful for the audience to admire). It’s important to show both his throbbing cock alongside with what it is doing to him mentally. That’s eroticism.
I need to draw a sexy man getting his perky ass slapped and shooting loads of thick sperm right now.
No. 1715496
File: 1696423112855.jpg (24.4 KB, 192x280, 1680533284911.jpg)
>>1715463>men with slappable balls!KEK I died
No. 1715523
>>1715507Same nona.
The men I draw looks good but only in two angles and with 3 hours of just tweaking the face ugh
No. 1715537
File: 1696426888039.gif (9.07 MB, 498x280, luck-and-logic-anime-girl.gif)
>>1715488Yeah, it reminded me of this gif kek I'm sure every frame looks good by itself but the movement is too much to be natural. Also what the fuck is that bit with her strand in her mouth?
No. 1715560
>>1715507I am in a fortune position in which I can dedicate hours of my day to my craft and passion.
>>1715527Men should be drawn in such a way where the viewer made subconsciously aware he is a merely a flesh piston to deliver countless cock strokes to his wife. Nothing is more an appealing than a man with thick quads and a tight ass (the anatomical center of cock propulsion). I study anatomy obsessively to draw his fuck muscles.
It’s my goal as an artist to send the world a message that men exist to be pleasure objects.
No. 1715578
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I'm sorry guys let me just rant a bit. W.I.T.C.H. was one of my favorite series growing up and the one thing that I appreciated the most was the lovely art but the style of the reboot is so damn lackluster… I know the og style had an anime influence but it still looked unique! And obviously the anatomy was better, the coloring was better, the rendering was better. This drawing might work for fanart but for a published edition it sucks. The composition in particular throws me off, it looks awkward and cheap. I also don't like the way their faces are drawn, just taking away all the character. A big point of W.I.T.C.H. was that every girl looked unique. Also Taranee's pose really fucking bothers me. I'm not saying this particular artist is bad it's just that this doesn't hold to the same standard
No. 1715579
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>>1715560>flesh piston>supple, slapable ballskekkkk this is why I keep coming back to this imageboard
No. 1715601
>>1715595I’ve never considered it before but now I am.
>>1715579Thank you for your appreciation.
>>1715583You reject my vision now but one day you will reflect on my words and realize I am right.
No. 1715605
File: 1696431468898.jpeg (1.17 MB, 1170x1606, IMG_6385.jpeg)
>>1715578I find Taranees style cuter in the reboot than the original but apparently the story is completely different from the original…
No. 1715635
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>>1714638Bleak but late to Stephen King, everything he's made has women being raped and/or victimized as a plot point. The rest are news to me though. The Spongebob one cuts real deep, Stephen Hillengburg must be rolling in his grave.
>>1714677Its the same old tired song and dance.
>Men in animation draw the same kind of content all the time get to keep their jobs get to put it into mainstream media and be praised for itOther pedofiles get to get away with it -why can't I!?
>It just feels unfair, why can't I publicly be a pedo!? uwu
>This is the equivalent of revenge porn(kek), people exposing my fictional/private kinks(of child abuse) publiclyI'm a pedo who put my pedophilic work out into the public for other predators and in doing so victimized children but I, the distributor of child pornography am the
victim! uwu
>>1715406>>1715462>>1715426Lesbian detected
No. 1715719
>>1715488>>1715537it's good but it's literally this, there is so little to animate they overcompensate by making everything bouncy. Personally, i really like it, but i can understand its not everyone's cup of tea, however you cannot deny it's well done, that's just cope
nonny…
No. 1715745
File: 1696442337664.jpg (119.95 KB, 585x800, skydoll.jpg)
>>1715578Original artist is best known for picrel, I guess it could cause some problems in the current year kek.
No. 1715789
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>>1715537I dislike anime at times for these type of art tropes along with others, but the amount of western animation geared towards older audiences looks pretty slim (especially outside family guy clones), so I just read manga instead. Boom, no more weird animation
No. 1715812
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>>1715440She likes to exaggerate conventionally unattractive features, look at picrel of her drawing of herself in the Spiderverse style. Her nose isn’t that crooked irl. Even when they’re not there, for example the woman on the left doesn’t look like she has that belly or ass. (And also as other anons pointed out she’s made them look sexier at the same time fsr) It’s
not wrong to exaggerate but she’s either naïve to how publicly posting these looks assholish or she’s doing a mean girl move. Like if she’s going to make a lesson out of this at least use stock photos or a movie for an example, at least those are actors and not just totally random normal people. If she chose celebrities she could have made the caricatures as mean as she wanted and no one would’ve cared.
No. 1715822
>>1715812kek she made herself look so much uglier
>>1715755i vividly remember that at some point the art of W.I.T.C.H. started getting more and more sexualized and it made me feel uncomfortable. it sucks because i always found the characters very relatable and for instance irma, will and cornelia reminded me of other girls from my life. they weren't trope-y and had very realistic problems
No. 1715907
File: 1696450707129.webm (1 MB, 576x1024, wtf.webm)
I dont use tiktok, can someone tell me whats up with monialynn? this is beyond creepy what the fuck, i though it was an edit
No. 1715926
File: 1696452167974.png (Spoiler Image,7.26 MB, 3840x3202, FwrLnAyWIAAGobe.png)
>>1715917I've seen that exact phrase used as a form of joke-coping about youtubers getting exposed for having talked with underage fans, don't know why she decided to make it this dramatic animation because it shifts the tone too much and makes the intent unclear. Her other art is about her DBH oc being with connor kek I'm always so baffled by women who draw these coomshit proportions and emotionless faces. It always feels like they are memeing themselves into this stuff because that's all they see online
No. 1715939
>>1715812I think she literally thinks she's being woke and inclusive by doing this. Like she's saying "I saw these fat women as inspiration and made them look sexy and curvy when we all know normal people wouldn't do that to these fatties, and look how not-perfect I am admitting to being with my crooked nose, aren't I nice and humble and inclusive".
I think she's just so woke she's gone all the way to rude performative asshole
No. 1715944
>>1715719Now this example is a lot different than the other two above. There are more frames here, making the movement smoother for sure but again the movement is just so odd and wrong. Still not very well-done despite the number of frames and good rendering. Animation is about the movement, not about how many details there are in a frame.
>>1715789Same. I used to watch a lot more anime but now I haven't seen one in years. Everything is catering to gross ugly coomers and the stories are boring. Plus the average style seems to be going to shit, I'm so tired of retarded-looking moe anime girls making random noises every two seconds.
No. 1715957
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>>1711189But it
is whimsical and nostalgically childish. Definitely not an exclusive style or attribute to japaneee artists, personally I think Yoshitomo Nara’s work looks like old school Scandinavian cartoons.
Either way, I only posted the Japanese gallery artists
>>1710164 to show that the generalization of all Japanese art being sameface anime coomer art wasn’t true. Not to say it was superior to western art or to highlight those artists as flawless.
No. 1715999
>>1715719The chicken nugget example is technically well animated but it's way too noticeably an example of what
>>1715664 said
but not specifically for women, for everything. It reminds of that story about Miyazaki telling the Spirited Away animators to make dragon Haku leaving the river look like a dog shaking of water after a bath and getting
triggered because the animators didn't know what a dog leaving bath looked like.
I can see how someone could appreciate the animation of those things, but it makes me think that the animator are wasting their skill making scenes way too bouncy and jerky for no reason when it could have looked better with less effort.
And I hate when shows noticeably do your vidrel. It comes of as "pandering" in a way.
No. 1716040
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What is up with Cornelia’s eyebrows though
No. 1716086
>>1716040Why isn't Irma and Will tomboys anymore? Why does it have to be Taranee who's a tomboy?
because she's black? why isn't hay lin a weird girl with an alien aesthetic? I don't like this. They probably created it to compete with winx club season 9 reboot.
No. 1716109
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>>1715497I like Olivier Ledroit‘s art. The story is pretty much moid edgelord bullshit so fair warning. He also worked on Wika.
No. 1716110
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>>1716040I hate how much they changed their character design. Hay Lin and Will have the skintone of printerpaper, Taranee looks ashy, Irma looks happy go lucky and Corneila has perment dipples now. Also hate that Hay Lin is now an Asian hair streak trope.
No. 1716153
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>>1716040They MASSACRED my girl who tf is that platinum blonde Elsa bitch with the spiral perm
No. 1716195
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anyone following this? i dont know if it's true or the artist is making it up for attention, but wild if true
No. 1716206
File: 1696470314897.png (420.07 KB, 590x1078, ginger faggot.png)
>>1716195he's asking for money so this have to be fake right? but also why make up something as retarded as getting doxxed for using a ms paint tool bar when being a higurashi fan that's also a ginger enough? weird stuff
No. 1716255
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>>1716195I can believe it, they draw that ms paint animecore shit zoomers are big into but attracts the most insane fucking people. But at the same time they’re not taking the precautions like privating, not posting pictures of themselves, and not taking commissions which could open them up for scams like any normal person going through this situation would. Just shows what Twitter does to your brain.
No. 1716304
>>1716195Hmm I don't know
nonny but after taking a look at his profile I think this shit is fabricated.
And, I could be wrong but I don't think the drawings where made on ms paint, and there's the fact that all of the drawings are in poor quality so you can't see the pixels clearly.
Sahed for tinfoiling.
No. 1716649
>>1716641you don't get
nonny, Taranee was the one who was good at math and that's a boy thing!!!
No. 1716678
>>1714970>For OG nonna, just don't talk about gender at allAYRT and see the thing is, I sorta want to make it vocally known that I don't support gender bullshit at all. I know this would be social suicide online but I want to put a line in the sand of being an artist who openly doesn't support gender ideology. The stereotype is that artists have to just accept trans bullshit and I want to be an example of just because you're an artist doesn't mean you have to support that.
Again, it's not like I intend to blather on and on about how stupid gender ideology is, I was just thinking of making a disclaimer pinned tweet or picture and letting it speak for itself.
No. 1716680
>>1715605Is it just me or is Taranee drawn weirdly sexualized with the skintight clothes vacuumed to her body and pronouncing her curves? The way this artists draws her has bothered me since I saw the first promotional images because everyone else is portrayed as a normal teenage girl while Taranee is given this strangely sexy flare when in the original she was the nerdy brainiac in contrast to her more confident witch form.
Overall I find it so strange that they picked such a subpar artists for the job because the original comic was so known for the lively, intricate art style that going from that to the flat, deadfaced webtoon aesthetic seems so cheap. I doubt they gave a shit about making a good tribute since the purpose is to cash in on a nostalgic property.
No. 1716686
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>>1715605>I find Taranees style cuter in the rebootI have to respectfully disagree
No. 1716690
>>1716680>Is it just me or is Taranee drawn weirdly sexualized with the skintight clothes vacuumed to her body and pronouncing her curves?No, I have to agree. It gives off intentional troon vibes
>>1716686The befores are a lot cuter to me, they could have toned down on the yellow skin but the style was so much more unique and iconic
No. 1716693
>>1716040>What is up with Cornelia’s eyebrows thoughoh my god she's doing the wiggle brow trend
>>1715957now THIS is superior cartoons kek Little My, my beloved
No. 1716695
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>>1716040Adding on, I really don't get what they were thinking with Will's mom
No. 1716698
>>1716680Samefag to wonder why the fuck every "artist" in this post was written in plural as "artists", I have no idea how it happened but I guess autocorrect had its hand in it. I'm not a retard I swear
>>1716690Good to know I'm not the only one kek, they're supposed to be like 13 so it feels so weird to have her look like such a pandering bombshell. It feels like the artist wanted to make her some fetishized "sexy strong black woman" stereotype and it feels inappropriate in contrast to how she was in the original. I don't think that's intentional, they just picked the wrong person for the job.
>>1716695KEK what the fuck??? I'd love to know the reasoning behind this change, I know whitewashing is such a meme but if this isn't a clear example of it then I don't know what is. It's like they're trying to troll us.
No. 1716699
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>>1716680Looking at some more pages, damn, you are onto something. What possessed them to turn a shy nerdy 13 year old girl into this?
Also the new artist @GiuliaAdragna on twitter said Taranee is her favorite redesign lol
No. 1716700
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>>1716040Why did they uglify Cornelia so much? What are those brows and weird mouth, she looks like an alien. She was so pretty in the original too. She also doesn't have blue eyes and the brown eyes don't look the best in that design, all the other girls kept their eye color. Why does it seem like they were kinda virtue signaling with this… F for Elyon and Cornelia fans.
No. 1716704
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>>1716699Wtf they made the one black girl a TIF just cause she has short hair ? They really can't help themselves, Taranee had such cute comfy fashion originally, it looks like she's showing off her double masectomy in your pic…
No. 1716705
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The new transformation outfit looks like pajamas. Faces aren't expressive. Honestly it looks like a fan made reboot someone would post on derviantart. Won't spam this thread with with any further kek
No. 1716714
>>1716704So much of the original charm is lost by drawing outfits that match the boring current trends. I'm sure it's also done to cut the production time. You're insane for insisting on this "tif coded" shit though kek you're projecting a bit too much
>>1716705The white skin and purple shading makes her look dead, why would they do this
No. 1716725
File: 1696500952453.jpg (2.5 MB, 2492x1714, flashback.jpg)
>Reboot Taranee already mogged by her flashback self who appears for 2 pages
She seems more shy like the original Taranee too, god it's like they're teasing people
No. 1716774
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>>1716737>>1716741>>1716744Y'all just don't keep up with troon fashion trends (which is
valid kek). "Tomboy" has literally been replaced with transmasc. Young girls don't claim to be tomboys anymore, they instead claim to be trans. She's not wearing a trendy colorful sports bra or athleisure fashion, she's wearing clothes that match how every fucking tif portray themselves in dark neutrals.
No. 1716787
>>1716698Everyone looks so stereotypical and flat imo. Taranee for the reason you stated ofc, Hay Lin adding to the "asian girl with a dyed streak" list and dressing like an aliexpress uwu soft girl and even the white characters look more stereotypically white and "basic" somehow. Will looks like some moid author's ideal ginger waifu-next-door he based off some photo model and what was the point of making her mom look like THAT ? Cornelia looks like she gets pumpkin spice latte jokes made about her and what the hell's even going on with Elyon ? (insert joke about smoking weed here)
>>17167042000s fashion is more popular now than ever. All there was to do was remove a few dated elements like the ballet flats and leggings, better the transformation designs, upgrade the art style and there you had a reboot. They look like something out of late 2010s tumblr and that makes the whole thing look so dated already.
tl;dr I wish authors still went outside sometimes
No. 1717053
>>1716815Agree, I appreciate the focus on fundamentals from the western side and think they're just as important, but Japanese artists are way more focused on composition and how to make the image look
interesting. Watching their tutorials about eyecatching and the usage of palettes has improved my art in leaps more than any fart-huffing ex animator making their content so hard to approach you need five years of art school to understand half of the theory when you just want to draw something fun.
No. 1717181
>>1716774I understand what you're trying to say
nonnie, not sure why you're getting so much vitriol. She looks like every piece of tif "genderfluid" art I've ever seen, in a way that looks intentional to me too. If I were you I'd stop explaining yourself before infight bans get handed out cause the more you're trying to explain yourself the angrier everyone is getting, even though imo you're not really saying anything unreasonable.
>>1716704Aww I never read w.i.t.c.h. but I miss derpy fish eyed early 2000s art kek, it was so cute. Late 80s/early 90s anime too had the same derp eyes and it's very endearing to me
No. 1717297
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>>1716795Mild sperg incoming I think it's cos with tiktokers churning out retarded "aesthetics" every 2 weeks instead of having a personality, including badly regurgitating interesting aesthetics from eras past, there is no defining 2020s look so clothes have to be bland but with bright colours for wide appeal. I was thinking about this while looking at the 3 new characters in the shitty clone high season 2. They tried to make them modern I guess but they look out of place and their designs don't even say anything about them, except for the Frida Kahlo one cos you can vaguely tell that's who she's meant to be.
No. 1717374
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>>1716705I bet their argument is that their bodies were "sexualized" "idealized" and "harmful" but I remember being like 11 years old reading this and thinking they were the coolest looking bitches ever. Their looks were amazing. Little girls aren't getting eating disorders over this kind of shit and im tired of them turning every new character design into a block of cheese now because of muh body issues. They were the western millenial child's sailor moon.
No. 1717389
>>1716704>>1717375Taranee was so adorable. They were all so adorable in the 2000s comic. The first artist was a moid but never went too far with oversexualization. You could beleive that the girls were fashion conscious teenagers who wanted to express their personalities while looking cute. The new girls dress like they shop exclusively at Temu and The Gap.
>>1716794I get what she's trying to say. If reboot Taranee only had the tiktok broccoli hairstyle or the sports bra it would be one thing, but all of that combined with her suddenly becoming a stoic tomboy while all the other girls remain feminine says a lot. It would be different if Will or Irma were the boyish ones since they were both a little tomboyish in the 2000s comic. Troon and troon sympathizer twitter artists have been headcanoning darker-skinned female characters as trans for years now. I'm surprised neither she nor Irma were made obese as well.
>>1717374The whole sperg over cartoons and toys giving little girls body image issues is getting so annoying. Barbie's boobs, the Winx girl's tiny waists, and Sailor Moon's long legs don't give little girls eating disorders, projection from their parents do. Little girls look at them and think "Wow, she's pretty. I like her" while dad gets a boner and mom gets mad at the cartoons for giving dad a boner. No one ever argues that GI Joes give little boys body image issues and they're all inhumanly jacked. It's just only ever girl-oriented media. People pretend to be concerned for the mental health of little girls then turn around and make fun of the ones who actually suffer from the same illnesses. It's never about their safety, just having something to shit on girls for liking.
No. 1717407
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>>1716705>>1717374This shit is so soulless lol. I don’t get why they even attempted a comic reboot. Imagine someone making manga reboots of the original naruto or sailor moon mangas. Why not just promote re-releases of the original comic?
No. 1717520
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What do you guys think about Dinolich/Moss Lawson. They illustrated a Graphic novel under the name "Hellaween". Theyre pretty successful and Im thinking maybe as a beginner it might be a good idea to try and learn from them but idk if its a bad idea
No. 1717535
>>1717526Oh okay I will absolutely give his work a look
>>1717524I just think the art looks very cute
No. 1717545
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Sorry for venting, depression has been hitting hard. I am the anon venting because Japanese artists can shit out the most boring uninspired garbage and get an anime adaptations and a bunch of readers/fans. I cant stop thinking about tsulala/rem's webcomic devil's candy, and how it would have gotten an anime adaptation already if it was made by a japanese artist for a japanese audience, and published in a japanese magazine. The art is beautiful, and on-par with some really popular manga that gets carried by style alone, the story is cutesy school bait, and it's overall pretty well done and enjoyable. I am 100% sure it would be way more popular if it was by a Japanese artist, and that though left me pretty blackpilled about being a western artist. I don't know, maybe i am just letting the depression cloud my mind, but seeing so many western artists make comics and most of them being forgotten because western readers only want to read manga by japanese artists, and western artists not having a real support system makes me so sad.
No. 1717554
>>1717545Art as a form to make yourself known and praised by people is just a time sink mess that will make you feel more and more depressed as time goes by.
It doesn’t matter what you do, if you have a beautiful voice, if you can play a cool instrument, if you can paint realistic shit so real you can taste the peanut butter and the cheese of a sandwich, so great at writing that you can make people eat up 500 pages of nonsense in an hour… the moment you see someone being recognized before you, doesn’t matter the age, the sex or the place that person comes from, you will feel miserable.
I just believe in art as something that you have to do because your brain has ideas that you want to materialize, that’s it, if 50 people want to buy it, wonderful, but the more you try to turn your art into a product, the less you will love it and the more miserable you will feel.
It’s such an old story that I particularly can’t believe that sometimes I feel sad about not being better at art or not being recognized even though others are recognized for things that I personally consider less interesting and less appealing, than what I do or what someone else that I know can do.
In the end it’s all about remembering that while it hurts knowing that things are different everywhere, that studios will never welcome your ideas because they want products, that having a good idea doesn’t mean people won’t try to cancel you for saying an edgy joke in public when you were 13 years old, that maybe you will never get more than 100 followers (in which 20 of them are family and friends that never like or comment on your stuff unless it’s for the sake of politeness), that maybe you should just at least finish materializing your ideas and putting them out there so at least one person can like it and comment on it “I liked it!” Or so that you can at least say “well, at least I can’t say it isn’t out there”.
No. 1717555
>>1717407>>1717418I'm kekking harder at how stiff Hai Lin's pose is lmao. She does not look like she's floating at all, she 100% looks like the artist just drew her standing and then the editor had to rotate the drawing.
The art isn't that awful. One nonna said it looks like someone's fancomic, and I really agree. I think an official comic could had gotten away with having this style if it was a short side story/spinoff with some sort of gimmick going on, but for a reboot is just lmao.
What's even the point of rebooting it (especially with worse art)? I feel it's too easy to compare it to the old one and for people to drop it because of that.
No. 1717569
>>1717565Tbh most people don’t really give a shit about vivzie but yeah. Support systems won’t happen any sooner because everyone is too busy trying to cancel everyone else or too busy grooming children.
Is there even a way to start such a thing? Would it only work for the USA? Or would it accept people from other countries that aren’t asian? Idk, it sounds difficult knowing how retarded everyone is and how everyone is so petty nowadays that if your platform doesn’t include the option to say that you want to chop your breasts, or that a moid had a boner reading a comic about some little girls playing with toys at school, that you could get hashtag cancelled and your life completely ruined.
No. 1717618
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>>1714413Her friends and fans are now claiming shes in "EOL" but she lives alone and that this could take weeks/months. Important to note she's a notorious munchie. In her suicide note from 2019 before her exposure (
https://web.archive.org/web/20190907172550/https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Jy4lLahTs7XWb4c31kw8O5nWyrQJC_6gbx27Nb4EWE/mobilebasic)
she talks about how no hospital would take her because they knew bullshit when they could see it kek.
No. 1717626
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>>1717407The appeal of witch was the style specifically, there were not many visually detailed or interesting western-geared graphic novels. They completely tumblrized something that didn't need correction in the first place. It can also be noted that the young versions of themselves were still built like young girls, just non-obese ones. The transformation made them snatched but that was the appeal, its normal and not at all dysmorphia-inducing for young kids to see cool 'superhero' transformations like that and think wow, I want to look like that but no middle school girl is developing an ED from that anymore than they did from barbie or Lana del Rey. Adults always want an external factor to blame.
No. 1717636
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>>1717632I wonder if Asian women get tired of western cartoons representing them as the smol quirked up shorty with a single neon streak in their hair?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/colored-streaks-on-asian-women-the-damaging-trope_b_580a54f5e4b0b1bd89fdb1b8 No. 1717648
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>>1717636dont forget the glitch tech girl coomers were obssesed over
No. 1717651
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>>1717644Neopets fairies were cute too. Regardless the animation style is a thousand times worse, dated or not rather than tweaking it to be slightly more palletable for animation they instead tumblrized them. It at least had personality, they had every chance to give this a great color pallette and just fucked it up. The characters were diluted into something entirely different, they somehow racially stereotyped hay Lin even further and just decided they'd transmasc Taranee for being a, what, timid black girl? Just botched
No. 1717654
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I'm not like Disney adult-tier gayekeeping because I haven't thought about this series since i was a kid really but from a purely entertainment perspective I've noticed they completely remove every aspect of a series that made it appealing in reboots. Witch was popular among tweens because it offered a really colorful, detailed, fun art style that wasnt really geared to young girls at the time and the storyline also had emphasis on the lives of all the characters. You saw their rooms, their homes, their families, etc. It was pretty immersive. I was really young when I started reading it, so I did absorb it subconsciously and the topic is just reminding me of being really young and staring at the pictures, I could reread them over and over and they were shared between me and a few friends (2 boys actually, and 3 girls.) There was that like yassified LOTR emphasis on friendship but also a lot of conflict resolution, for instance Elyon being isolated by the antagonist and how it was the perfect representation of an abusive relationship and how a "cool" older man can seem perfect but is actually a monster grooming you and trying to keep you from those who love you. Obviously I'm an adult now and i don't actually spend my time waxing poetic about media meant for children, but we need to hold reboots at a much higher standard. This neverending cesspool of garbage is getting desperate.
No. 1717661
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>>1715578>>1715605>>1716040>one of the few girls' cartoons where the characters actually had distinctive faces and body types>reboot turns them into the literal definition of same face syndromeThis looks so flat, boring and uninspired, completely devoid of the original's quirky y2k charm. Witch had such a fun comic-anime hybrid art style, how do you manage to fuck that up when anime is more mainstream than ever?
This is why I hate reboots, 9 times out of 10 they're the embodiment of picrel. Completely soulless
No. 1717667
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The reason this reboot looks as is it's italian comic industry produces way too much for a market that's way too small and pays the artists pennies. There's a gazillion publishing companies. It looks cheap because it's produced cheaply. If you are talented, fast and lucky enough you get snatched by Topolino, which is the main seller nation wise and a big one in Europe and the only title Disney cares for, more than Marvel even.
I got reached out by multiple comic companies and they expect you to make a 150 pages comic for the euro equivalent of 700-800$ and the promise of "royalties" that often have bullshit in the contract to take away those too.
t. Italian nonnie
No. 1717670
>>1717636I'm so confused as to why this trend exists, it's so random and overdone and media just keeps doing it as if they're all being unique but it's always JUST the token Asian girl so it stands out like a sore thumb every time.
>>1717626>>1717407Idk how to say this other than it's such a delight to see anons discuss the witch comic, like even the bickering and disagreements are so wholesome to me thanks you're giving me the childhood experiences I missed out on because none of my friends liked it
No. 1717671
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nonnies with secret NSFW accounts, how do you keep your identity a secret? outside of having a different nick
No. 1717675
>>1717626I agree, also the appeal wasn't just the comic, it was the awesome magazine that came with it. It was fully illustrated as well, with various quizzes about friendship and witchcraft, there were dyi tutorials and cool presents every issue. I still have a lot of them because they were useful, pencil-cases, pens and WITCH themes bracelets and so on. I definitely think that if they started coming out again they'd sell really well.
I wonder if the new one is straight up just a comic? Or is it also a themed magazine?
No. 1717731
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>>1717407The colors look incredibly dull compared to the original. The whole thing looks like uninspired AI generated bullshit
No. 1717829
>>1716695>>1716705>>1717407Holy shit nonnas you just crushed me. As an Eurofag, WITCH was my life when I was 12, I wore all the merchandise like the necklace and the watch that came with the magazines and roleplayed them with my friends kek. The art looks terrible, why does western wannabe anime art from the 2000s look better than western wannabe anime art from the 2020s? It always has this Tumblr blobby look.
I also find it a bit racist that they not only erased all the features from Wil's mom to make her a genetic blonde soccer mom (she was so beautiful before), made Taranee who was shy and girly a Token Masculine Black Woman and gave Hay Lin the harejookyoo purple streak and korean poses? They were unique characters before and they have been reduced to racial stereotypes.
I also hate their transformations, I thought it was really cool and a huge plot point that they got adult bodies in their WITCH form. It was an interesting gimmick and opened topics about body image and such within the comic (with Irma for example).
This was the first western media for girls that I felt explored mature serious topics and didn't talk down to me like a dumb shopping and boy crazy toddler. A worse fate than the cartoon.
>>1716153Elsie, I mean Elyon was my favorite too. I even got her comic special. If that ugly bleached blonde is her now I'm gonna kms
No. 1717840
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>>1715578Eurofags (including me) will just deny its existence, hopefully. They had the simplest option to just re-do the cartoon adaptation with the completed source material since the adaptation wasn't stellar. The creators had everything on a silver platter from plot to character design and I think a newer and accurate cartoon adaptation would've made some cash rather than this abomination.
It's all just a bad dreams nonnies
No. 1717924
>>1716629I used to use eagle cool to make various boards for art references based on media type, for example. You can also tag each file, browse by tags or by majority color. I'm pretty sure it also allows for viewing and rotating 3d models in gallery. It has a free 30 day trial and after that no subscriptions, just one time purchase. Right now I'm waiting for my student's license to get updated so I can get a discount when I'm going to buy.
Unfortunately so far at least all files are stored on your drive.
I also love organizing stuff and this app kinda scratches that itch. That, and I don't have to worry that all the dumb shit I saved on Pinterest or Twitter will get deleted and I'll lose it.
No. 1717957
>>1717911Mine is public. People haven't made the connection even after all these years, unless I explicitly invite them, but even then it's gotta be someone I trust.
I keep it public because there are certain other artists I want to talk to that I wouldn't otherwise on my main account without some chucklefuck snooping into who I interact with. That, and it's funny to be hiding in plain sight.
No. 1717960
>>1717938A little off topic but why does everything have to be a webtoon, what a shitty format to insist on because muh mobile device.
I really miss when media like witch had different ways to interact with it, via comic, magazine and cartoon, a lot more effort used to be put into people really liking and collecting things. Now it's all just fucking vaporware that's going to become lost media once link rot inevitably sets in.
No one is given the chance to deep dive into an interesting thing because it won't be trendy in 5 months. This witch reboot will be forgotten. It won't make a lasting impression on girls NOW, that's not the point. The point is always nostalgia money from the women who remember it. And brownie points if you add current politics and gendie talking points.
No. 1718202
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Is the "don't repost/share" something new that artists are doing? I saw an anon post something earlier that had a similar disclaimer.
No. 1718237
>>1718202Probably because of art being reposted online without any credit to artists socials. And asking for credit didn't work, so they resorted to putting these watermark-like statements. This way no one will repost the art without credit because it's technically "ruined" now. But I'm not an artist, this is just my guess.
>>1718220You must be 18+ to post here. Banter aside, you have low standards if the new art style looks good to you kek.
No. 1718416
>>1717671The only way I know to be the most anonymous is through posting under anonymous on AO3. There’s no username attached, you won’t be getting too much interaction like comments in my experience and it’s not at all like other social media but great if you really just want to post your nsfw anonymously. You can even change settings so only logged in users can see it to really cut down on the audience that could see it. I pretty much post everything anonymously on AO3 since I don’t care about having a browsable gallery or gaining followers.
I don’t really suggest pretending to be ESL kek if you really want to mask how you write you could ask Chat GPT to write for you maybe? If you’re truly paranoid I’d upload anonymous on AO3, use a VPN, no putting writing or anything that could be significant to your area or culture into anything, and using a different (preferably something generic even if it hurts) art style on every post and if you’re posting in a small fandom avoid talking to anyone.
No. 1718484
>>1718220I don't agree with you but other nonnas immedeatly jumping you for having a different opinion is silly kek
>I think the new art is better. It's just cuter.It is cute but it feels way flatter. The older style feels like it has more volume and detail. I think it would be serviceable in its own original comic, but it could be more "masterful"
not a good choice of word but I don't really know how to say it and attaching it to a franchise is really setting it up to be compared with the old style.
Also
>the new art is better because it's cuterThis is actually something I really hate in a lot of modern reboots/franchises. I hate how every company apparently feels the need to make everything cute(r) so you get way more generic/safer looking stuff, like all the monster high characters being pastelified and rounded up, or puss in the last wish having oval irises by default instead of slanted
also the humans imo looked like high budget lego friends compared to shrek's previous more realistic style No. 1718599
>>1718416I'm more suprised to know you can post comics on ao3! This helps alot
nonnie! I try to change up the style as much as I can like changing how the face and brushwork looks but I still fear being found out I wish the nda didn't restricted me this much I just want to draw buff men getting blasted
No. 1718702
>>1718696The only thing that bothers me is the retards calling themselves "ai prompt artist" in their social media description kek
But that's all, what can I say, the non artists will get tired of using it eventually and the actual artists could use AI for reference.
No. 1718712
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About advice of changing art styles for differentiating sfw from nsfw accounts. Which styles you chose to? Did you adapted quickly? The thought itself exhaust me. Also do you use different email?
No. 1718727
>>1718712It was easy for me, I just draw pets and animal crossing-esque characters on my main/commercial account, so since they don't really know how I actually draw humans (when I draw them for my main, it's usually on a chibi cutesy way) it's pretty hard to connect the NSFW and SFW accounts.
You sound too stressed to make a side account now though. If I were you, I would just draw NSFW on the side and keep it to myself as I slowly develop 2 different styles. If you still want to post it online, do it on a locked account and only allow follows from people totally unrelated to your main/followers. I think just something like coloring differently (cell-shading and paintery for example) and talking about different fandoms will throw people off.
No. 1718731
>>1718696Honestly I think AI is being more dangerous to us as women than to us as artist. Yes, it sucks that companies are just using AI instead of hiring artists (isn't like publishers pay artists decently anyways), but I very much prefer losing the $2/page page work than the fact that anyone can make deepfakes in seconds with their phones.
When it comes to art I also feel this is NFTs 2.0, in a year they will most likely forget about it. But for porn? Not so much.
No. 1718741
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>>1718476That's a flashback, she looks like this now
No. 1718770
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>>1718220Well it's definitely not better, the new art is really stiff and awkward. See the poses and how weirdly Irma her feet is drawn and Cornelia her face. If you think its cuter, that more subjective I guess. The new art style reminds me a lot of what you currently find in western cartoons. But with bad atonomy. The newer outfits aren't better then the old ones imo. Only Will her new outfit is cute.
No. 1718791
>>1717407soulless, stiff, ugly, terrible, tumblr tier art
>>1718770soulful, soft, pretty, kinda reminds me of older disney style too
No. 1718797
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>>1718220Anons are being so dramatic about this post kekk. I don't think the new art is bad, or anywhere as bad as people are acting like, but it does feel like that dated "anime-but-not-too-anime" style that a lot of artists used to have. Almost like Baylee Jae, but her art is a lot worse.
No. 1718827
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>>1718220I find that despite their efforts to make them more appealing to modern audiences and trying to make them more diverse, they actually fucked up and made them extremely samey in structure and shadow.
They could apply a soft tumblr pastel artstyle to the originals, but instead they drew Will and then used her as a base for everybody else, just changing the skin color, hair, body fat/muscle.
Look at picrel: it's kind of shit but sadly it's the only one I found where they're lined up in their transformed form.
They all have different facial structures, and they're actually supposed to have different, but still idealized, adult bodies. You can see it slightly in this picture but it's much more evident in the chapters drawn by Barbucci. This was and still is rare in many action-oriented comics, where female characters are all way too similar to eachother.
Hell, it was a problem in the original W.I.T.C.H. run too: only the good artists respected the proportions of the girls instead of doing a generic action body, but at least they never strayed too far with their faces.
Will is smaller, Hay Lin has big hands and feet and a thin body, Cornelia is a long girl, Taranee has bigger shoulders and arms and Irma got prominent curves.
I was never super into W.I.T.C.H. but I always found this aspect of it fun and it made it stand out among other magical girls.
This reboot keeps none of that, they all share the same structure both in face and body. The W.I.T.C.H. cartoon also didn't keep this aspect of the original comic and it's no surprise it's worse.
No. 1718828
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>>1718827Samefag but it's more evident in this pic where they're 13. Even in their transformed shadows you can see the W.I.T.C.H. were all idealized, but different, action heroines.
No. 1718835
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i still love witch and it's kind of a comfort comic for me (never watched the show past a few episodes because i found it so ugly). i still have all my old comics from back in the day, and i'm currently collecting the hardback comic editions that are being released in my country. the new version, however, i'm not gonna touch. it doesn't exist to me. it probably appeals to the steven universe/nimona/woke netflix cartoon crowd, but not to me. i'm glad if others find enjoyment with it, i guess.
No. 1718836
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>>1717407They look like they were made in a dress up game, the style reminds me of Bitmojis with how flat and dead eyed everyone looks like. I'm sure the artist is doing her best but looking into her work even her own comic looks a lot better than whatever she's doing here. I'm not at all against the idea of a remake with a more modern style, but often "modern" seem to mean stripping away all the detail and depth from the original designs because detail = regressive and old-fashioned while simplified and flat = sleek and modern I guess.
No. 1718842
>>1718832Like I said the appeal to me is about the structure. I always found Taranee's transformed hair weird and I would definitely change it to something more normal.
I'm not against the idea of a redesign, I just wish the redesigns kept the thing I found appealing in W.I.T.C.H.: body and face diversity.
They can totally have it in a cutesy pastel style much like they had it in the euromanga y2k style.
No. 1718869
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>>1718770>only Will her new outfit is cuteNah she looks like she's on her way to do some gymnastics or something (even though she was into swimming). Her older flowy big sleeved outfit is way cuter and more aesthetically pleasing to the eye
No. 1718881
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>>1718873I don't think this counts as chubby/fat
No. 1718891
>>1718877I did not say diversity. I said diverse body types, which the original artists intended them to have.
It's not like Winx where the same body is copy-pasted, their bodies have different silhouettes and you can't draw Will with Cornelia's long body nor you can't draw Taranee with Irma's curvier (not fat- she's got more t&a) body. They're absolutely idealized but that's the point.
Like I explained and shown they're all different
when they're drawn by the good artists, but this concept was thrown out of the window the more the comic got drawn out. It was thrown out of the cartoon, too, and this remake is doing the same thing.
No. 1718901
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>>1718895Idk, I noticed it because I copied the drawings. Imo it was part of what made it what it is and in general all of the artstyle made everyone look unique.
I am fine with cartoons like Winx where all the girls have the same body, but the moment the W.I.T.C.H. lose their proportions it feels like part of the character is missing. Like drawing The Hulk as a slim guy or something.
It's not that hard idk why people think I'm combative when I'm just explaining why I don't like the new ones.
No. 1718927
>>1718881Tell me you haven't read the comic and are just judging shit you find on google. She was chubby in her child form and the WITCH older form having a "hot body" was a plot point when she used it to flirt because she felt insecure being her real self. That can't really go anywhere now because their forms do not change.
It's not a deal breaker for me if they don't transform into older girls but everything else about how the reboot looks is terrible.
No. 1718939
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>>1718832>I really, really find the girl with glasses's hair so ugly in the original designs. The natural hair in the newer version is so much better looking.Meh, I don’t have witch nostalgia and never read the comics or watched the cartoon. Still find the flair and details they add to Taranee’s original style way more appealing like in
>>1716686 and
>>1716704. The beaded lock of hair is especially cute.
New Taranee is just so fucking boring, she literally just dresses in black/gray colors with sweatpants and hoodies, no cute headscarves or beads like the original comics. They could’ve at least kept her beads considering those are common hair accessories for black girls.
No. 1718945
>>1718895Well, I did care about the things everyone is complaining about when I was a kid. What made me like witch and not winx was that they look different from each other and I could see my friends in these characters. I was very into comics and girls in superhero comics didn't resemble normal teen girls at all, hell, even indie comics had young women looking like supermodels.
Idk how witch was published in other countries but in mine, the magazine that published it had the typical fashion ads of any teen girl magazine and they would put the types of clothing similar to the witch girls so you could look like them, even pointing out their different shapes and what would look better if you are this shape or that shape. I even remember one article about body image issues and they had interviews with real girls about that and touched the comics too, there was at least one instance where they talked about Irma's body shape and typical teen insecurities about growing up.
When they transformed to me it was just some normal preteen fantasy, that you'd think you will look so pretty and cool when you get older, idk, never thought that deep about it, transformation was only one part of their lives.
Anyway, if their bodies don't seem that different to you, their faces certainly are. The new style is cute but it's boring and samefacey and looks stiff. I wouldn't mind it if it was some tumblr/deviantart project of some fan but it's an official thing and it looks like crap compared to the original. Maybe kids these days don't care about anything anymore (I doubt it) but I remember very well witch being everything to me because of how they were drawn.
No. 1718951
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>>1718881Good try but I'm talking about what she actually looks like when she's herself and not transformed. Pretty sure the point of the transformation is to conceal their identities, making them look drastically different by aging them up.
No. 1718965
>>1717545While I agree with your overall point, I think there's something else that makes an extremely big difference.
Devil's Candy used to (idk how it is now) get one page a week. The average manga gets around 15 pages a week, or 30+ each month depending on format it's going with. I'm going to be a hypocrite, because as much as the average mangaka's schedule is beyond depressing, it sure is nice knowing you get a solid amount of story each week or month.
Even with the rise of Korean webtoons, they are churned out at much higher speeds then the average western one. Of course there's a lot to be said about the funding behind it, and structures that allow for it, but you cannot compare it to how the average western webcomic will post a page or 2 every week. Honestly, more of them should adopt the Korean method of just using CSP materials for half the stuff in a frame because at least they all realize that nobody actually gives a shit about if you draw the castle by hand or use a model since they'll scroll past it right away.
No. 1718967
>>1718939Same as you, never watched/no nostalgia for the original but they literally washed her out, the original glows in comparison to her and I think her outfit line up is so much better. They could have made her tomboyish without taking all her color away.
>They could've at least kept her beadsYes and the way they draw her current hair looks very lazy to me. It's not hard to draw a vague lump of curls with squiggles coming out of it. Granted her original hair was pretty simple as well but if they wanted to make a statement they could've given her a cool braided style or something.
No. 1718968
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>>1715745fuck I'm ashamed but I still like his style
No. 1718989
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>>1718968His artstyle is skilled and recognizable he is just a huge coomer.
Here is a little story: the original W.I.T.C.H. was created by three people. Elisabetta Gnone, Barbara Canepa and Alessandro Barbucci.
Gnone is an older woman known from writing a girly fantasy book series, Fairy Oak, while Canepa is known for writing girly emo comics about slim girls (she is fat herself and I have some dirt related to her weight between her and Barbucci if anyone cares).
Gnone and Canepa were the ones writing the story while Barbucci drew the designs with the help of Canepa as the colorist.
When Gnone went to oversee the original design proposals by Barbucci, she reprimended him for sexualizing them too much and made him redo them with a more teen girl-friendly approach lol.
Picrel is a recent W.I.T.C.H. pic by Barbucci.
No. 1719015
>>1718989>>1718995Holy shit I thought that was early concept art at first lol
>i have some dirt related to her weight between her and Barbucci if anyone caresPlease tell, I’m curious
No. 1719033
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>>1719015So… as far as I know, Barbucci and Canepa left W.I.T.C.H. after some time to pursue a more avant-garde comic scene. They first made Monster Allergy with other people (I think?), but their first true pricy comic for mature audienced is Skydoll: it's a sci-fi art nouveau story about sex dolls, true love, death, fame, fortune… it's an adult work but it's written by Barbara Canepa, a woman, so while I never read it I expect it to be a little depressing and a little pretentious. I can tell you the art is well made because Barbucci can draw.
This is a detail that will come up later, but Canepa loves pricey, asian ball-jointed dolls, she collects them and Skydoll sometimes follows that aesthetic. She's not a good artist herself, she's a writer first and foremost, but her art direction is always a little gothic and she's obsessed with death and graveyards.
During their run of Skydoll, Barbucci brought Canepa with him to a trip to the US. Well, as soon as they returned to Italy, she dumped him and immediately went with another man. (Skydoll continued btw and I think it finished in the mid 2010s.)
Apparently they're still friends, but I'm inclined to believe Barbucci still resents Canepa and the reason is simple:
Some years after this break out happened, Barbucci wrote and drew a comic called Chosp. I never cared for Chosp but once at the comic book store I gave it a look and something piqued my interest amongst its panels of ugly-cute little kids and euromanga bimbo tits: the comic had a group of goth nerds who loved going around… graveyards. And the de-facto leader was a fat gothic lolita who collected asian BJD… she used them to attack Chosp (the protag) and she was a villain in the story.
Her name was "Trippy la Ciccia" which I'd loosely translate as "Lardy the Fattie".
On top of Trippy la Ciccia, Barbucci once didn't tag Canepa in a W.I.T.C.H. anniversarsy post on Instagram, which was definitely not an error seeing as he tagged literally everybody else he worked with for that project. Canepa even made a passive-aggressive comment about not being tagged, so yeah.
No. 1719035
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I swear female artists that have "femboy" OCs are always a special kind of degenerate. Usually have strong pick me energy because coomer moids defend them.
No. 1719067
>>1719035Why do their knees look like that kek
>>1719061>i'd rather see shota over xyz!!!Why do you guys always say then whenever someone bring up salt about some girl drawing shota art
No. 1719069
>>1718955Nonny, you sound way too defensive about "wokoid body positivity bullshit".
People can dislike artstyles with lack of body diversity in a "this is not my artistic preference" way instead of a "this is
problematic reee" way, and having to walk on eggshells to choose your words just so you don't accidentally
trigger an "anti-wokoid"oid is lame.
Stop letting online woke discourse live in your head like that.
No. 1719171
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>>1719035You just reminded me of this artist, she had femboy ocs and was (understandably) annoyed about tifs/tims/enbies calling the term a slur lmao. She's a trans-inclusive enby masc he/they lesbian and all the porn on her nsfw account is women (including a "trans femboy") getting fucked by men/TIMs with massive schlongs, and then there's the rare 1 or 2 yaoi posts, but all her art legit looks like it was made by some horny male.
Some of it can even be mistaken for shotacon with a 2-foot tall guy with dot eyes, kid proportions, and a magnum dong fucking a tall bimbo lady. But they're colorful humanoids with wings and bug antennae so she gets away with calling it a size difference. (very old milk) She once accidentally reblogged gangrape porn ("I-I didn't read the subtitles or notice the girl screaming crying while this creepy masked dude raped her") so I get the feeling she's into some non-twitter-approved degen shit.
She's drawn so much hornybait art that wouldn't appeal to normal women and complained whenever people criticized the huge titty/stick waist/bubble butt female bodies she often drew ("I'm a lesbian", "women can be curvy you know", etc). it was funny seeing her get surprised that most of her followers are moids- and then angry finding out a lot of them are coomer moids who fetishize lesbians, hate gays, and hate masculine women.
Picrel is her lesbian webtoon ocs by the way.
No. 1719178
>>1719171Is the tumblr sexyman "biblically accurate" angel supposed to be female now
Lmao
No. 1719212
>>1700560does anyone else feel like drawing pandering quirky moe slop because even after years of drawing and posting you get nowhere?
fuck yukiko snail lol she ruined a generation of artists
her art is goyslop equivalent of anime art
No. 1719516
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>>1719340NAYRT The way everyone was drawn became wildly inconsistent but, especially in early art, Irma was a chubby girl in the context of the artstyle. Her face was rounder and her body was a bigger, it's an undeniable fact about her design.
Obviously this is tied to the context of the comic and artstyle. You don't have to pretend it's not real because Irma looks normal to you. You also keep misunderstanding what people here meant by "diverse". It's not diverse as in a diversity quota where everyone has to be a certain race or a certain weight. It's diverse as in every member of the team is meant to have a different design with different body proportions and face structure. You can't exchange the bodies of the W.I.T.C.H. team members because otherwise it looks weird. It's part of their character like their personality is and it partially reflects it as well.
The new one has them have all the same body structure, just a little muscular or fatter depending on the character, not to mention the extremely similar facial structures. They did the bare minimum to make them look different and it hinges all on aspects external to their drawing constructions (hair, eyes, weight).
No. 1719590
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What's your achilles' heel in art? For me it's faces. It's probably going to take me years before i can draw faces in the very specific way I want. I don't think i have ever seen another artist achieve this style.
No. 1719634
>>1719590I can't draw backgrounds, I can't. I love how the drawings I make look with solid colors.
I always wanted to make paintings like Trevor Brown but without the pedophiliac moid aspect but I can't fucking seem to incorporate backgrounds to my drawings
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>>1717407>>1717374They seriously thought they were over sexualized? Bro the new Taranee transformation is in leggings and a bandeau. They keep drawing her with tight clothes and emphasis on her muscles. Did anybody else notice the belly ring that Cornelia has? The new transformations don’t look otherworldly at all and could pass as either streetwear or gym clothes. Look at how Hay Lin looks in later issues it’s still flowy and matches the silhouette of her first.
No. 1719764
>>1719590Hands.
Specifically wrists. I'm so shit at connecting wrist to hand.
No. 1719882
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>>1719590i think line art for me, i cant seem to visualize it fully and i always feel its lacking something than my painted works i keep relearning it time and time again , i hate it i wish i had the skills of a old ink master
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>>1719882if you are willing to get past the animu trash check rkgk artists, they tend to have the best lineart in digital in my opinion. they helped understand how to properly transition from sketch to lineart without it looking bad
No. 1720747
>>1720122Holy fuck who is this
nonnie I need to follow them STAT
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>>1720747@cyjalway
sorry
nonny i have to inform you he's a coomer, but if you are willing to swim through anime coom his anatomy notes are some of the best i have ever seen
No. 1720919
>>1720879Don't be jealous of this situation it's miserable. as a smaller artist it's more insular and hard to tell it's happening so I have to deal with her bullshit mostly by myself.
She has similar themes snoops around my mentions follows and conversations and posts similar takes and interests eerily & shortly after I do. I'm exhausted. I hate the concept of 'mutuals' watching her trying to claw attention towards herself by being around me fucking sucks.
No. 1720948
>>1720923same
nonny, but sadly i dont have money for a psychiatrist/meds. Hope they help you focus.
No. 1721100
>>1720923I've suffered with the same situation adhd meds help a bit but I would recommend going on your own pace start small like finishing small thumbnails (no details! Just blobs to visialize the whole piece and using sketchy lines in a small canvas 500x500px)it will give you a bit of joy of atleast finishing something and treat the piece as if your were commissioned to finish it so it'll give you a sense of urgency (basically training yourself to complete a piece even if you don't like it) as for finding references stick to a theme no matter how much a pin on pintrest interests you save it and move on,it's completely normal for a piece to take 2 weeks or even a month if it's heavy in detail don't beat yourself over it
nonnie each artist has their limitations doesn't make them any less artistic
No. 1721284
>>1720923>I am talking dozens of half completed sketches per day.I don't draw nearly as much as you do (I draw in short bursts throughout a week rather than in one day), but ritalin helped me at least consistently see art through the end. Ritalin has various side effects so make sure to ask her all about it. But also like the other anon said pls train yourself to try and finish things. Finishing doesn't mean a full render and all that. Sometimes a finish is a sketch, it's a cleaned up sketch, a lineart, so on and so forth. You're gonna bulldoze hard into burnout if you try to render everything frantically.
>>1721259Wow, that's me basically. That's why I try to draw everything in bursts. Because I can't consistently keep drawing, when that motivation hits I
have to get everything out of my head and do everything I want to do as fast as possible. This used to happen once per month, then I got on ritalin and finally it shortened to a week cycle. It's not perfect, but it's functional. From there I can simply schedule drawings over a week or month.
No. 1721469
>>1721448Normally I'd defend the idea that women don't have to have 50 pound asses and balloon tits to look mature but her recent art is looking kinda
sus. There are features that separate petite women from young girls and you can't tell me she's not intentionally blurring the line.
Women who wet themselves over "DILFs" either have bad luck with scrotes their own age, have actual daddy issues, or are autopedophiles who fantasize about being groomed by their idealized concept of an older man. A new daddy who can whisk them away from all of their depressing adult problems and treat them like a princess. That, or they troon out and become lolishota copers.
No. 1721513
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>>1721437>>1721448>saageliusWait… is this Maariamph’s nsfw account lol? Chie and Jon are her characters from her phantomland comic. She’s been posted in these threads before for drama:
>>1180094>>1180126 No. 1721537
>>1721513For someone who just wants to be left alone with her kink she sure is a
victim.
No. 1721704
>>1721448(samefag as previous reply I just had to say another thing)
>she's the typical ''eww all anime men are dorito chined pretty boys i am so much better for liking gross old men over 40'I really don’t get people who act like they’re special for liking dilfs but only draw women as young tiny innocent waifs as if young woman/older man hasn’t been a staple in romance forever lmao(even in platonic media too, where it’s an older dude looking after a little girl and older women are minimal, dead, or nowhere to be seen, while the reverse of the trope is almost nonexistent and usually coombait shit).
It’s older women who get the shorter end of the stick in every media ever.
Like, this artist’s main oc ship is a middle-aged white man and a tiny 20-something japanese woman, that’s not special that’s literally every moid’s fantasy since forever. You’re not better than sameface prettyboy anime for that.
No. 1722194
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Is it possible to never get good at drawing even if you study? recently started studying and i feel extremely retarded and demotivated. I dont think i am intelligent enough to remember all the bones/muscles, and i have autistically high skill goals too. Also, yes, i mix original stuff with my studies i dont just study like a monkey.
No. 1722262
>>1722194Yes, but the problem is most likely that you aren't studing efficiently. I was in the same boat as you, I bought books, did figure drawing daily, studied muscles, and yet even though I reached a point where I would copy an image relatively well, I still didn't know how to apply them onto my original drawings.
There are tons of different art study methods and free courses on the internet, I would try different ones until you find one that fits your way of drawing/studying.
No. 1722334
>>1722194I have an insanely bad visual memory, I usually can’t draw without reference unless I’ve stared at or drawn the character/pose/item hundreds of times. Not to rely on the aphantasia meme but I’m pretty sure I have it. Part of studying is also getting better at observation. I’ve never thought about how a t shirt looks until I wanted to draw a character in a shirt with accurate wrinkles. For me drawing fast doesn’t help me at all if I don’t understand how it works. Doing timed “line of action” figure drawings for 30 seconds is worthless to me, I can’t remember anything. It’s fine if you take 1-2 hrs just on one figure. Really try to break the body down into basic shapes like cylinders, then draw more detailed muscles on top, it helps a lot more with learning. Also don’t learn every muscle/skeleton group at once, it’s fine for example if you are learning torsos and everything else looks stupid and ugly. Just work on it later, it’s a long process.
Also unironically incel lookism terms helps with drawing attractive faces. I don’t suggest looking into this if you have body dysmorphia though.
No. 1722667
>>1722489Yeah safeguarding from inappropriate shit is understandable, putting an intense focus on someone's age is weird though and I've seen this a lot online not just with art. From minors going "omg I'm talking to an adult and I know more than you, take that!!!" and adults going "oh this poor little defenceless 17yo baby is just a minor and I am their saviour!!!" it's giving performative. People generally online are giving age obsessed anyway with stuff like "
problematic people always age badly", ok so you genuinely believe the cartoons you watch, that ugly and old = evil.
No. 1723288
>>1722852>It does come off as very silly, especially when you're from a country where the legal age isn't even 18This. It's weird seeing Americans act like 21 year olds are little kids cos that's when they're allowed to start legally drinking, how sad. Even in my country though there are people who act like anyone under 25 is a retard since the brain hasn't developed or whatever and are condescending when you can do something well, art related or otherwise
yes I am a frustrated under 25 who has had to hear this a lot Sure you're not the pinnacle of maturity but you're not in diapers anymore either
No. 1723450
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how the fuck do people come up with poses to draw?
>inb4 pinterest
what do you search to get interesting/good poses
No. 1723832
>>1723626Low self esteem and the feeling of inadequacy from not being able to reach the impossible standards you set for yourself. Making fun of other artists' anatomy is such a crutch and /beg/ levels of fedora tipping, any idiot can point out obvious anatomy mistakes (despite making them themselves) but it's much harder to critique rendering and composition in a comprehensive way other than "this looks like shit".
>she can barely draw anything outside of pretty tumblr girl sameface with cute sparkles.It's ALWAYS the people who stick to their own comfort zone and never challenge themselves. Hence, low self esteem that has to be compensated by lowering the value of other artists' work.
No. 1723846
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>>1722194nevermind nonnies, actually i am started to see the gains. Now i can look at a reference and know what am drawing, be able to do mastercopies more accurately and be more objective in whats ''wrong'' with my art. I got a long ass journey ahead, but it's a small step. Also does anyone have examples of what kind of studies i can do outside of ecorches, figure drawing, value studies and perspective studies?
No. 1723920
>>1723862Twitter has been suspending people for no reason all the time for the past few weeks, even simply changing your display name can shadowban/mark your account as suspicious kek
The other day I tried to send a DM and they locked me out of my account for a day
No. 1724203
>>1724195Moomins are so overplayed. I don't know why they're so popular other than the fact that they're heckin wholesome Scandi characters. I doubt any Moomin worshippers have even seen the 90s anime, it was terrifying and ugly. If the Moomin creator was Polish or Russian they would've been laughed off as creepy Soviet cartoons.
It surprises me every day just how successfully Scandinavians market themselves as some magical fairytale place and make Americans and Japanese happily eat it up.
No. 1724218
>>1724209It's up there and I don't care what Finland technically is, it sits comfortably in the twee and marketable category with the other Scandi countries.
And yes they were terrifying, I still remember the creepy music when that ice woman on a horse came on the screen, or the creepy purple thing.
No. 1724227
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>>1724218>TechnicallyIt's just as ignorant as considering Poland and Germany the same just because they share a geographical border. Completely different culture, language family and history. I don't know why you're here aggressively dumping your childhood trauma about the 90's anime but like all of the marketability and aesthetics come from the original comics that centered around a carefree bohemian lifestyle, not the 90's anime which barely anyone outside of Finland and Japan has even watched. It's a mascot brand.
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>>1724203>creepy Soviet cartoonsclown.
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>>1724255Best boy right here
No. 1724461
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I found this image on pinterest, and honestly im not sure what its trying to be
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>>1724461maybe a joke art? he doesn't seem like a poor fundamental artist?
No. 1724479
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>>1724461I think that's her ass? Like picrel, her back/butt is twisted towards us.
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girls is it masculine to have facial expressions