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No. 165313
(sorry for the second picture btw. i was too lazy to watch more of the video to get a picture of her. i do think she's really pretty, just a suggestive picture. she's quite nice i think but anyways)
hi lolcow!! for 18 and half years of my life, i have maybe touched makeup 3 times. i guess i have somewhat of an okay looking natural face since ive gotten boyfriends and whatnot, but im tired of seeing all these girls on social media looking so flawless with their brows, contouring and perfect eyeliner.
i want to improve myself and reach this level of beauty, but im a total fucking beginner. more than that actually.. i dont even know what things are called.
my mum doesn't wear any makeup besides concealer when she was in her 30's.
so what im asking for is, where do i start??
should i start with drugstore makeup to start off and experiment with? or should i invest in good quality makeup from sephora and stuff?
any tutorials you would recommend?
i'd preferably like to try to see how i look like with eyeliner, foundation (to hide my eyebags, i have pretty clear skin thankfully, but the purple under my eyes are horrid), mascara and maybe so eyeshadow??
i'd also like to learn how to contour to make my features look better. im sorry if i wrote a mouthful, i just need to ask anonymously and would like some help. i appreciate your time !
(this could also be a makeup tips thread i guess?)
No. 165314
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>>165313Well don't follow people who make dumb faces for no reason other then to possibly hide how shit their make up is.
Otherwise, if you want to start experimenting you may want to start with drugstore if only so that you don't have to worry about too much of an investment. Drug store brands are starting to put out big eyeshadow palletes now you can get one and start figuring out what suits your eye shape. If you do want to make the plung into higher end stuff, start with foundations and primers mostly because that's where the difference really is, especially with color ranges and being suitable for various skin types.
Personally I like watching Pixiwoo on YT, mostly because between the two sisters one of them will have a style like yours (Nic is more classic and clean cut while Sam tends to be grungier and more out there.) I also like Saamage's reviews since her wear tests are pretty accurate and insightful. Emily Noel and Jessica Braun focus on drugstore make up so if you want some decent research before you make a trip, watch through some of their hauls and reviews.
Otherwise if there is a look you want to do, type into into YT's search and then watch the first few videos. Never just watch one video for any given look unless somehow said YT-er looks like you with similar features. And then just put stuff on your face. If you figure out what kind of smokey eye and eyeliner shape works best for you, you know more then most people.
Pic related, that's my basic shadow look, I just use whatever colors I might be feeling that day. It's not my eye BTW.
No. 165315
>>165313find a sephora somewhere and have them color match you with their coloriq thing. get a 15 min free makeover (there's several different areas you can choose to focus on, and they'll teach you the techniques they used). remember your shades and coloriq number, then use temptalia's foundation matrix to find stuff thats the same/similar shade but cheaper.
Look up some drugstore makeup tutorials on youtube to get an idea of what you want to start out with
No. 165316
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>>165314what if you have eyes like this
I never wear eyeshadow because it just looks stupid on me
No. 165317
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>>165316Try to find a celebrity/model who shares this eye type and then look for pictures of them wearing makeup you like, like Daphne Groeneveld for example.
With hooded lids undereye makeup and winged blended eyeshadow is your friend.
No. 165319
>>165318Oooh do how were the results then?
Were you satisfied?
Do you have a before and after of your eyes?
No. 165321
>>165316Don't use dark colors on your lid, and if you have to, only use them at your lower lash line and in your socket for a cut crease, if you have the space. Focus on mascara and tightlining to define your shape.
I also think that model as very inset eyes/a strong brow bone and is tilting her head forward, making the hoodedness worse.
No. 165322
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>>165313yikes is that supermaryface?
No. 165323
>>165322yeah it is. i stumbled upon her boob tutorial because well.. i want to make it look like i have bigger boobs tbh.
i just thought she looked really good but when i clicked on another video her natural face wasn't nearly as good as her makeup face so i used her as an example. i want to go from plane jane to hot porn star.
im just tired of not looking hot, so im thinking of heading to the drugstore and get some basic things. thanks for the replies btw !
ill get help from the lady to see what works with my skin colour since im pretty pale as well.
No. 165328
>>165327I think it's factor for sure. Not necessarily just your mother, but if you had an older sister or were close to an aunt or something too.
Like my mom wore make up, but it was pretty minimal because she had really, really, REALLY good skin so she never needed foundation (and never liked it because it always felt too heavy; she likes one of the foundations I have now cause it's surprisingly light.) All she wore was eyeliner, mascara and a red lip and would literally look like she spent hours on her face (I used to be like this… then my skin went to shit. Yay mid-20s hormonal changes.)
I also used to dance and for performances make up was standard. A lot of people I know who don't know much about make up also often never did any kind of performance on stage. My mom went light on the make up for me then, because baby skin don't need no foundation.
I wear a lot of make up now, in comparison, because well, my skin isn't the greatest (and since I have bouts of depression I don't always feel like taking care of it so it'll get worse) and I worked at a make up store. I got really good at make up to the point where my mom was impressed because it looked like I didn't have anything on. The best way to learn is really to just experiment and see what happens. I've had some really shit looks on because of it, but now I know what doesn't work for me!
No. 165332
>>165331From a fellow Canadian makeup newbie
$80? Damn. but I hear that you should spend the money on good foundation and concealer if you can. I don't know about eyeshadows…40 bucks for 6 shadows sounds like a lot.
I guess the value of having the makeup counter ladies suggest something for you is that they can recommend shades of makeup that suit your skin. Then you go online and find cheaper dupes for the expensive stuff they recommend (temptalia has a matrix for foundations by shade)
Everyone says contouring is advanced makeup. Get your basic and intermediate skills down first.
No. 165333
>>165331What brushes did you get anon? Because those can set you back a bit in money but most things you can apply with your fingers (it's only really eye shadows I don't recommend doing that with, especially if you're going for more complex looks.)
Otherwise, I'm in the US and the mark up between the two I know is up there, so I don't know how different the cost is. What brands did you get and what of? Some things from certain drug store brands are better then others, and I don't know what has gone up into Canada yet.
And did you get a mascara at all? Unless you have really awesome lashes naturally, most people need a little help in the dept. with a good mascara. If you are afraid of clumps, just stay away from any of the ones that say volumizing.
No. 165335
>>165331This is a trick, specially since counter girls have make about 1000 dollars of sales a day, my roommate spent over 100 dollars on smashbox eyeshadows aND brushes too. Truthfully if you're a newbie, like my roommate don't spend your money on expensive nice brand make up, stick to drug store brands intil you find out what colors you like or find out what you hate and love in makeup like if you hate super dry powdery make up or maybe you like cream style make etc.
Now my roommate is stuck with what some dumb counter girl told her to buy and she feels obligated to wear these horrid colors so she doesn't feel like she wasted her money.
No. 165336
>>165332Same person as
>>165335, don't trust counter ladies, I used to work for eeste lauder in the mall as a counter girl and they don't hire make up artist like they say, they are sales people first and make up artist if you're lucky. The interview I had consisted of if you could pick a decent color and put it on another person, I got hired because I was getting my beauticians license at the time but most of my co workers where just moms looking for a part time job who could barely match colors or only knew how to put on make up on their own face and no one else. So any advice you might get from a counter might be helpful or just a sales pitch the manager told them to say to get old products out of the way for new shit.
No. 165338
>>165335>>165336Yeah I used to work at make up store (not Sephora… but still a US chain) and I was never really trained to do other people's make up but ended up color matching and make recommendations. The only reason why I got very good was because I worked there for so long and fucking payed attention and learned all that shit. Also helps that I'm an art kid so I can judge color better then most. I'm just better with paint then I am with foundations at times.
The only thing I can say about the place I worked is that we would get reps in from different brands and while they had sales numbers to track it was pretty rare that they steered anyone wrong. Might have been just my store tho, since I'm in a pretty affluent area. And it's one of the larger stores in the district.
My advice, get color matched and if you don't think it's the right shade, walk out and view the foundation in multiple lightings. Walk back in and tell them why it's wrong and have them color match again. If they complain then tell them that you'll go somewhere else that won't make you look ashy/orange/burnt/etc. We would have people come back because the color was off. One time a black girl came back and the shade my co worker matched just wasn't the right temperature. And that's fine, it happens, temperature is the hardest part to match IMO (tone and undertone tend to be easier since they are the most obvious). My co worker went a bit too cool, so I tried the neutral and warm and the warm worked best. The cool wasn't bad, just not the best. It happens. I could tell why my co worker picked it. So that said, if they only try one shade, there is something wrong. I always tried at least 2, even if the first choice was spot on.
If you can't return the make up, don't shop there. Every place is different, but you need to be able to return something that doesn't match or possibly you are allergic to.
No. 165339
>>165335I think this is a common girl in 20s that doesn't into makeup thing to do because my friend did the same thing. Also ended up with weird, expensive shit. I think it ended up being $500 and they didn't even get her to buy mascara even though they knew she was a beginner. I don't know it just seems like these counter workers purposely fuck with these clueless girls. Even OP got TWO brushes for concealer and eyeliner. It's sabotage.
And this was years ago and she never got anything new and hasn't learnt anything since.
No. 165343
>>165342My Sephora visit was mid October.. but just some pointers would have been nice. Like just tell me the basic things to get and some makeup remover. They showed me two palletes and thats it. I shouldn't whine though I should just pick out things and try them on.
But yeah I'll buy brushes online but go to another drugstore with my mom this time. The foundation I got is expensive but it looks awesome.. I tried it on today and it was such a good experience. I have clear skin overall but seeing my face be completely even and sort of flawless made me feel pretty, even with nothing else. Thank you for being patient with me as I'm probably acting bratty since I know nothing.
My next step will be practice practice practice. I've started to look for videos and put them on a private YouTube playlist for reference.
Last question: what are your skin care routines? Or how do you take your makeup off? I forgot to buy remover but I always remember to moisturize.
No. 165345
>>165343I don't have great skin so I have a few more steps as a result.
Ideally, I first take of my make up with a remover wipe, focusing on my eyes and sometimes my lips, since that's where most long wear products are. After that I take jojoba oil (bought from acne.org so it's pure and wonderful) and use the to loosen any remnant of make up, since no remover wipe can take it off completely (and the oil helps hydrate too.) The I use a cream cleanser since I have normal/dry skin. After that I pat dry and use a toner, I switch between one from Neutrogena for stress acne and a bottle of witch hazel. Both work great, but the Neutrogena one does have alcohol so avoid that if you know you have sensitive skin. Then I use a benzyl peroxide treatment, because again, shitty skin so I'm super acne prone and it works for me. Then I apply moisturizer. I might also apply a drying lotion on blemishes that are especially stubborn and need help overnight, currently I have one from Mario Badescu and I love it. It at least shrinks the blemish if not making it disappear.
Main thing is to cleanse and moisturize as I don't think toner is that important for most people, unless you're acne prone and even then to only incorporate it if you hit a wall in your regime (which is why I did.) Also clean you brushes at least weekly and spot clean after each use. I need to get better about this myself but I tend to rotate through brushes because I've accumulated many at this point.
No. 165346
>>165343Practice sounds good. I'm a newb as well and found Wayne Goss's videos helpful as he's no-nonsense and doesn't have an irritating voice. He's UK-based though, so some of the products he uses may not be available in North America.
Skin care - I've got combination skin, which flares into horrible cystic acne every couple of years. Wearing makeup, or oil-containing products causes a flareup so overall I don't wear makeup unless it's a special occasion. I wash my face with Neutrogena cream cleanser once (max twice) a day. Then use oil-free moisturizer w/sunscreen. Use that on my hands too because I will inevitably touch my face. If breakouts happen, I use tretinoin cream (prescribed). That's about it.
The only thing is I can't find any lip balm/chapstick that doesn't cause breakouts. So I've just learned to get by with applying moisturizer to my lips.
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Ayy lmao
No. 165350
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>>165349Considering colourpop do great dupes of them for $6 each, the people bidding such high amounts are either idiots with too much money or trolls bidding high to piss off said idiots. They all need Jesus!
Really most celebrity branded make-up is usually not worth the money due to "White Labelling" and all that. Unless, you know for sure that the make-up is made from original formulas (e.g. Kat Von D make-up/lipsticks is and she's currently trying to make her entire line vegan friendly), don't waste your money.
No. 165352
>>165349ARE THESE PEOPLE SERIOUS
400 or 1000 DORRA
FOR A LIPSTICK
I better hope it comes with Kylie's butthole hairs in the box, why is it so expensive, apart from white labelling like
>>165350 mentioned?
No. 165353
>>165352Also because she has very nice make up and her lip look tends to be… a thing. They're fake and over drawn but people want them. And think one product will help.
Yes people are that dumb.
No. 165355
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Gel vs liquid? I usually always wear Liquid, but thinking of trying Bobbi Brown's Gel liner. My liquid's pigment fades pretty quick, and I feel like using a brush is more accurate?
No. 165357
I went to school and roomed with cosmetic students and I work in film now, I get lots of great tips and tricks for makeup.
If you're over 18, the biggest thing to making your overall makeup look good is your skincare. You can pile on foundation ect if you want, but the more you use it, the more you'll need it.
For skin makeup stick to non comedogenic makeup that has been tested, it makes a huge difference. When your skin is bad foundation can help, but you won't get that dewy-glow of youth.
Secondly, find a few makeup gurus with the same features you have, see how they emphasis certain parts.
Lastly, practice. I used to be a makeup queen in my early 20's and I had to go to an event recently - you don't realize how much of the skill is just practice day in, day out.
For someone without any experience I'd say focus on those. Get your skincare routine on point and the best it can be, avoid products that clog pores ect, and practice.
No. 165358
>>165357do you have any recommendations for girls with really dark/deep eyebags?
I want to start a skincare routine focusing mainly on that area since it's the worst part of my face, but I have no idea what to use. I've been applying this 'Ilude' stuff from Adelmaor Cosmetics over the past couple of weeks but haven't seen any real change. My sleep routine is shit, which I think is most likely the source of the problem, but because of the hours I work, it's difficult to change that.
What would you recommend? Either for fixing it or covering it up, idc at this point. I just don't want to look like shmegeh when I go out.
No. 165359
>>165358I have really deep set eyes, so my eyes always look like they have very bad eyebags/dark circles. I've spoken to my dermatologist and a few others about this - if it's the result of your bone structure like mine is, there's nothing you can do except minimize the amount of creasing there and layer on a powder foundation (concealers looks weird because it cancels out SO MUCH, despite the underlying structure, it looks weird).
I've had good results with a hollywood eye magic instant serum (
http://hollywoodeyemagic.com/ ) but this is a concern that depends on your face. I can't really do much about mine but the hollywood serum did puff up the skin a tiny bit to fill it out and catch a little bit of light + it got blood flow going there to make it more youthful. It's not unnatural even on my face so I recommend it if it's a personal concern. Overall you can only temporarily improve the look.
Depending on age, genetics and bone structure you might have to look at cosmetic fillers like I am - but not until i'm in my mid 30's. I'd only recommend at most 1 cosmetic enhancement every 10 years as you go past 30 to keep up a youthful look. A lady I know in makeup looks phenomenal and not in an artificial way, and she's 50. Her secret is small changes, never noticeable, mostly skin/wrinkle related. Plus exercise and diet of course :P.
No. 165361
>>165358Dif anon, but make sure that you at least drink plenty of water to keep your circulation going and it helps with overall skin health anyway. Also find a good eye cream that moisturizes and massage it in well. Massaging can help keep the blood flow up so that it doesn't sit and darken your eyes.
If you find that you still need a concealer, see whether a salmon toned one or a yellow toned one will work best for you. It'll depend on your natural skin tone and the color of the bags.
No. 165362
>>165359>$109 for a fucking eye serumholy shit.
please tell me this is actual magic in a bottle. like wizard magic. eye of newt and glittery twinkly bits and everything.
No. 165365
>>165363don't draw a full line at once but like piece by piece, starting from the outer corner
and fast drying eyeliner would be good too, I use benefit or mufe, both dry fast
No. 165366
>>165358if they're lilac/blue - massage, to improve blood circulation
also creams/serums that strenghten blood vessels are good - like with vitamin c
if they're brown - it either mean your liver is in poor condition or that you have some problem with melanin, in the second case whitening cream would help
No. 165367
>>165362I've been to the website and their photos of before and after are a bit much. I've tried it and it works nicely for me to reduce the appearance of eyebags, but it did not in any way completely eliminate them. That'd be crazy - it also works more dramatically on older eyes. Both of my parents have their own bottles of it, my dad especially benefits because he has the same deep set eyes I do.
$109 is pretty expensive I know, but think of good skincare like makeup? If your skin is good you can spend way less on makeup because you need so much less of it when you do wear it. That's what I tell myself when I need to replace my 90$ moisturizer. All in all I think my skincare collection cost $500 to start up properly. I've only so far had to replace my moisturizer and one serum (so far cleansers, toners, essence, oils ect have lasted a long time). I do a weird version of the Asian skincare routine. I do a lazy version but I'm working with my derm to find the right products for me. Not all steps are necessary for all skin types.
No. 165370
>>165368I honestly would only think this serum is 'worth it' if you only want results for a little while (its not not permanent/only for a short while).
I personally wouldn't really call this product skincare (I know it goes on your skin but I think of skincare as a long term improvement) but more so short term cosmetic serum.
No. 165372
Anybody willing to drop $109 on some lousy snake-oil product has more money than sense.
When you guys buy this kind of shit do you even examine and research the active ingredients to see whether or not it contains anything proven to do the job that it claims, or do you just assume that because it has a high-markup that it automatically makes it effective.
Let me tell you, most products that you have to apply topically aren't going to do shit for your skin because they can't possibly penetrate to the lowest layer of dermis, you're just going to end up with a load of weird oils and preservatives sitting around your skin potentially developing allergies or causing chemical damage and inducing wrinkles.
If you guys really want to make a difference to your appearance without makeup, plenty of water, regular exercise, supplements, no-smoking, no-drinking and avoiding the sun are your best friends. Anything else, you're going to have to take a surgical route, like carboxytherapy or fillers.
It's like, I received 4 of those cosmetic/skin gift sets this year for Christmas from friends and family, and do you know what happened to them after I was done with the smiling and simpering and gratitude? They went straight in the bin, because I really don't want any of the shit within any of those products anywhere NEAR my skin. They're garbage. Absolute garbage.
I'm not saying don't wear makeup or perfume or anything, I slather that shit on like it's Aphrodite's semen regularly, but all this other stuff, products like "hyper-hydration formulated beauty serum", "sparkle-bright nouveau activation cream", it's fucking trash guys, don't buy into that shit pls.
No. 165373
>>165372You sound like my dad, but what he says is usually pretty true 99% of the time and I can see what you're saying. I'm gonna start wearing makeup so do you think makeup wipes, neutrogena deep clean scrub and some niviea moisturizer okay? I don't want to just put random chemicals on my face but I also want to make sure I have a skin care routine.
got any do's and donts for taking care of your skin once your makeups off? I know I sound like a complete noob but not even my mum can really help lmao
No. 165374
>>165372Nice lecture. Actually the main thing you need, besides what is basic good care of yourself, if you're in your 20s is to use a retinol cream and then an spf on top. After that avoid harsh abrasives because inflammation can cause early aging and keep moisturized.
Actual snake oil is good for you btw.
No. 165375
>>165372Cute. I mean, I had terrible skin quality and acne even though I did everything 'right' you said, and it was getting worse. But no, nothing I'm doing now in terms of my routine is 'real', it's all just wasted money.
You have to know what your skin needs. I never use some products because my skin doesn't ever need it no matter how much it's being raved about. Others, my skin responds a lot better. A lot of them have perfumes, shit that's not good, so I have to be very careful. It honestly sounds you've only used some very cheap products, because I've yet to see a 'pack' of anything I use.
Also I have some friends who are completely fine without any skincare routine. One of them has great skin and sleeps in garbage makeup - it's all individual. If doing next to nothing and wearing makeup sometimes works for you, that's great. It's not true for everyone.
No. 165376
>>165374I lecture because I care, Anon.
But yeah I actually forgot to recommend a proper skincare routine, but I apply an SPF moisturiser every single day myself. I've never looked into retinol creams myself, but I'll research them now because I'm always looking into compounds to prolong my youth.
I'm determined to be a MILF when I'm older, only without the whole "having children" thing.
No. 165377
>>165372This. If you're going for topical stuff get prescription Retin-A. Over the counter serums are almost always a waste.
I remember an oil sold at Sephora for over 100 dollars just because it was produced by some monks. I wish I could remember the name
No. 165379
>>165376Well remember that bit otherwise you sound like an ass who talks a lot of game. I don't do much for my skin compared to others, but that's mostly because I have acne problems at 28 and so I cant say I care much about wrinkles… and I'm still mistaken for at least 5 years younger then I am.
Oh and let me recommend one brand, perricone. I've used their blue plasma a lot and it does work to clean your skin without irritation. Haven't looked into their anti aging stuff much however.
No. 165380
>>165375
>even though I did everything 'right' you said, and it was getting worseProbably because the vast majority of acne problems have shit fuck all to do with what your skin is being exposed to externally, it's about what's going on internally.
If you're having acne problems I would always first look into what's going into your body, not what's going onto it.
>it honestly sounds you've only used some very cheap productsWith the exception of my cleanser, my toner and moisturiser everything that touches my skin is 100% natural. Even my soap is SLS free and comprised of olive oil and glycerol.
You think the damage from that garbage is something that shows up in your skin immediately? How long do you think it takes for a single wrinkle to form? This is long-term exposure we're talking about, but it's the long-term stuff you want to watch out for because that's the damage that will creep up on you so gradually you won't even know it's happening until it's too late to reverse it.
Just remember that it wasn't so long ago that smoking was presented as healthy, and it destroyed the skin, teeth and organs of the generation of which our grandparents now populate.
The generation after that? Regular tanning was lauded as a "natural, healthy" glow and good for the skin. My own mother was unfortunately an ignorant participant in this con, sunbeds multiple times a week. Now she looks like an Italian leather bag.
>also I have some friends who are completely fine without any skincare routineThey're still in their 20's right? Of course their skin still looks fine. Give it 5 years.
I know I'm coming across as some preachy git but it's because I take the subject of skincare and general health super seriously and I get mad as hell that yet again there's another generation being conned by useless corporations into buying their shitty, worthless, harmful products by bombarding us with misleading marketing and media convincing us that we're congenitally damaged and flawed and that by buying their toxic crap it will somehow make us more beautiful and whole.
No. 165382
>>165380It's not about buying their toxic crap because we're incomplete. And like I said, what is going into my body is no different now and then. I had to go to a nutritionist for my hormonal issues so my diet is and was very regulated.
Natural is fine too, I use entirely synthesized products derived from the same structures. It's most concentrated and works better for me on the issues I care about. It just sounds like you haven't dealt with breakout acne or skin issues - even when having a healthy diet and lifestyle. If those two major switches cleared up your skint that's great, but it didn't do that for me. My friend is 28, the one I'm thinking about in particular is 34 but everyone is different.
No. 165385
>>165384It might be worthwhile to see someone about allergies? You don't want to test out a product and bam, sudden massive reaction.
Start with a gentle cleansing gel you can use twice a day, a moisturizer that repairs skin would be ideal if it's sensitive.
No. 165386
>>165384Rose water can be used to cleanse and tone sensitive skin. it soothes redness and irritation too.
>>165383Avoid perfumed moisturisers. The less ingredients it has, the better. Then it's easier to discover what cause the reaction. I like simply sensitive moisturiser from boots.